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Could the Bioware rumor be close to real?
Shayde
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Shayde - SWG (dead)
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From what i remember reading (if i can find the posts i'll come back and put them here) Bioware after experiences working on other people's Intellectual properties (like starwars and d&d ip's) they're making games that they have full control over. Which would explain if you look at their current list of games why since KOTOR they have only done games they control the IP too. As cool as it seems I think SWG is the last Star wars MMO game we'll see for a long time.
I love Bioware and as good as a Star Wars game as they did (honestly the best in year as far as action games) they didn't even want to do KOTOR 2 due to working supposedly 'collaboratively' with Lucas Arts (more like horded over by Lucas Arts).
If I turn out to be wrong though I'll eat my shoe
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
If this is true Im guess we wont hear an official word for a couple more years, or at least until they are ready to start beta. Current SWG is slowly and painfully starting to bring in numbers, but is ultimately a shell of its former self. If LA and Bioware announce that they are developing a MMO and it will be out in lets say a year (probly not the case, but just for argument sake) SWG will see next to zero new subscriptions being activated and people will drop like flies because who wants to start a new character that is going to be gone for good in a year?
If Bioware is making this game I think they have a MASSIVE undertaking ahead of them. The Star Wars fans are starving, BADLY, for a MMO that does the Star wars name justice. They will probly spend the amount of time that is actually required on a game to properly alpha and beta test so Im not expecting the game for another 2-3 years, if it is a star wars MMO great, if it isnt I'll be happy as long as it isnt a freakin fantasy game
Im guessing we will see MAYBE one more publish for SWG, and then the game will slowly wither away after so many terrible years on life support. This is all of course if the rumors are true...and dear god I hope they are.
According to Nancy 'Reading is bad' McIntyre, a new SW MMO is in the pipeline already.
While I love the prospects evident in a rumor such as this, isn't BioWare just about the one company that knows exactly what it is like to work with LEC and one least likely to try and do it again? The one point that bothers me most about this particular rumor is that it is oh so very inherently illogical. Based upon the nature of their prior experience, I can't imagine a company less desirous of "partnering" with LEC for any kind of SW game (note: the decisions of $OE are blantantly idiotic, and they will do anything for a horde of imaginary dollars ..........er, imaginary subscribers, so I consider $OE to be too stupid to not make the same mistake again).
I wish BioWare would, but I just can't believe it. But hey, if I'm wrong, I'll eat a big ol' bowl of scallops and shrimp on linguini.
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According to Nancy 'Reading is bad' McIntyre, a new SW MMO is in the pipeline already.
Mind posting a link to this 'rumour' you speak of because honestly I'd could see Sony getting pretty fucking mad at Lucas Arts for signing the game off to someone else while they're still stuck with the peice of crap Lucas Arts had them already make. Unless there's an official announcement its all rumour and speculation.
Bioware though has stopped doing IP's as evidence by their currrent project list and considering they wouldn't do KOTOR 2 after the extrememe success of KOTOR 1 I have a very hard time seeing them doing another star wars game. Just like I have a hard time seeing them do anymore Neverwinter nights game since they signed it off to someone else as well and they'd been popular with the D&D franchise for years and years.
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
I have always kept the faith of Bioware doing an sw mmo.
Yes they have confirmed that they are making a mmo with a unique IP but people stop reading when they saw that and later in the same post they said their team in Austin is working hard on a game which no info has been confirmed or dismissed about.
Bioware are doing 2 MMO's
My theory they are working on the game code and style of the game and will show LA they prototype now if LA get to pushy about controlling the new mmo they can easily replace the games theme from SW to say mass effect
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
Exactly.. Kotor was really their own IP set in the SW universe. It was their design and an open playground for them to do almost whatever they wanted.
And the Kotor system was based on D20, which was similar to Koster's SWG, which was mighty fun.
This rumor has surfaced before, it is part of the bigger picture of most everything I've heard for the last year. Rumors take time to become announced fact, especially in the business world.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
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It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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According to Nancy 'Reading is bad' McIntyre, a new SW MMO is in the pipeline already.
Mind posting a link to this 'rumour' you speak of because honestly I'd could see Sony getting pretty fucking mad at Lucas Arts for signing the game off to someone else while they're still stuck with the peice of crap Lucas Arts had them already make. Unless there's an official announcement its all rumour and speculation.
Here's the quote "...when 'Star Wars Galaxies 2' is developed -- perhaps in 2008 or 2009 -- things will be different..." - Nancy McCantRead
From here http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/search/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001698964 about 3 third of the way down. I'm surprised you haven't seen this before since it's been quoted and posted about a thousand times before.
So what'll it be? Nike? Doc Martins? Those cheap Wal-Mart sandels?
I posted this in a similar thread about this a week or two ago:
Discussion of this can also be found on the Bioware site here and here.
I wouldn't put alot of confidence in this though:
1. Its in the rumor section, if Bioware did indeed leak this it would be an exclusive coverstory in any of the major gaming magazines.
2. As stated by one of the moderators in the Bioware site:
"Well, it is true that BioWare formed a team to develop a MMORPG in their studios in Austin, Texas. That was last year, though, and the BioWare folks have never leaked out anything concerning the setting, theme, or franchise this MMORPG was based on (well, Stanley Woo once mentioned Smurfs and Bots, but I don't think that he was serious ...
).
LucasArts also never said that they had given the KotOR franchise back to BioWare; I am therefore inclined not to put much faith into this article."
Personally I would much rather see Bioware create something new and unique.
"If we don't attack them, they will attack us first. So we'd better retaliate before they have a chance to strike"
Well first, KOTOR isn't Bioware IP. Contributions to the Holocron become LucasArts (or LucasFilm?) IP. This is why HK-47 of all things made an appearance in SWG.
Secondly, Bioware loathes LucasArts. That's primarily why KOTOR 2 was passed to Obsidian.
Frankly, Bioware is doing just fine with its own IPs. KOTOR is just a Star Wars retelling of the main campaign in Neverwinter Nights anyway. I would actually hate it if they gave in to the Lucas empire.
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Well first, KOTOR isn't Bioware IP. Contributions to the Holocron become LucasArts (or LucasFilm?) IP. This is why HK-47 of all things made an appearance in SWG.
Secondly, Bioware loathes LucasArts. That's primarily why KOTOR 2 was passed to Obsidian.
Frankly, Bioware is doing just fine with its own IPs. KOTOR is just a Star Wars retelling of the main campaign in Neverwinter Nights anyway. I would actually hate it if they gave in to the Lucas empire.
I thought Bioware made it pretty clear somewhere earlier in the MMO development that it wasn't going to be a SW MMO. I will have to look for their statement.
"If we don't attack them, they will attack us first. So we'd better retaliate before they have a chance to strike"
They were insiders. If SWG is going so well and has such a "bright future", why then are people suddenly leaving?
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Exactly.. Kotor was really their own IP set in the SW universe. It was their design and an open playground for them to do almost whatever they wanted.
And the Kotor system was based on D20, which was similar to Koster's SWG, which was mighty fun.
This rumor has surfaced before, it is part of the bigger picture of most everything I've heard for the last year. Rumors take time to become announced fact, especially in the business world.
They take even longer when one of the parties involved is the poster child for bumbling, incompetent evil:
Sony.
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Exactly.. Kotor was really their own IP set in the SW universe. It was their design and an open playground for them to do almost whatever they wanted.
And the Kotor system was based on D20, which was similar to Koster's SWG, which was mighty fun.
This rumor has surfaced before, it is part of the bigger picture of most everything I've heard for the last year. Rumors take time to become announced fact, especially in the business world.
Anything with the Star Wars, jedi, lightsaber goodness name belongs to Lucas Arts IP even if Bioware created its magnificent setting its still Lucas Arts IP through and through. That D20 system was put together by Wizards of the Coast (they have a star wars d20 game remember) under of course Lucas Arts handy overlord watchful eye.
I hate bursting your bubble but they'er only doing 1 count them 1 MMO whichi s what they BUILT their Austin facility for. Read their website carefully they have one unnamed MMO game listed in development if you look at their games list and its in good ol Texas.
BTW to the person who posted the funny article with that chick from Sony talking about SWG 2...thats coming from a sony employee which means when you get your SWG 2 it'll most likely be ...by SONY! Your most hated evil company of all time.
Look I love Bioware too but they gave up doing other people's IP because its a pain in the ass depending on who the IP owner is.
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
Exactly.. Kotor was really their own IP set in the SW universe. It was their design and an open playground for them to do almost whatever they wanted.
And the Kotor system was based on D20, which was similar to Koster's SWG, which was mighty fun.
This rumor has surfaced before, it is part of the bigger picture of most everything I've heard for the last year. Rumors take time to become announced fact, especially in the business world.
Anything with the Star Wars, jedi, lightsaber goodness name belongs to Lucas Arts IP even if Bioware created its magnificent setting its still Lucas Arts IP through and through. That D20 system was put together by Wizards of the Coast (they have a star wars d20 game remember) under of course Lucas Arts handy overlord watchful eye.
I hate bursting your bubble but they'er only doing 1 count them 1 MMO whichi s what they BUILT their Austin facility for. Read their website carefully they have one unnamed MMO game listed in development if you look at their games list and its in good ol Texas.
BTW to the person who posted the funny article with that chick from Sony talking about SWG 2...thats coming from a sony employee which means when you get your SWG 2 it'll most likely be ...by SONY! Your most hated evil company of all time.
Look I love Bioware too but they gave up doing other people's IP because its a pain in the ass depending on who the IP owner is.
The quote was actually by the former head of PR for LucasArts. She is now working for Leapfrog (makers of educational toys for children).
One of the Bioware guys posted that they never meant that they weren't going to work with other people's IPs, but that they were currently, at the time the original statement was made, focusing on their own IPs. The original statement was made before Mass Effect was announced, and the clarification was made after they announced that they were forming the Austin studio to work on an MMO. That is what has fueled most of the 'Bioware is working on a Star Wars MMO!' rumors. IIRC, somebody guessed the MMO was going to be SWG2, another poster on the Bioware boards said it wasn't because Bioware was no longer going to work on other people's IPs, the clarification post was made, and the 'OMG! It is SWG 2!' exploded.
I don't think it is going to be a Star Wars MMO, but I'm not convinced that it won't be based on a non-Bioware IP.
Back in 2001 when LA desided to make a 'Star Wars-Online' game Bioware tried to get it. At the time Bioware had broken away from Interplay and was working on both Knights of the Old Republic and Neverwinter Nights. LA however believed Bioware already had a Star Wars game that would be a hit and that Bioware had too much on there plate at the time. Enter the deal with SOE, at the time SOE was riding high with Everquest and the way I had heard about it LA wanted an 'Everquest' like game for the Star Wars-MMO.
I had been told as well that as some of you know the 'Pre-CU' system was made for the Beta and that there was another System running that was the Alpha System. Now I don't want to say it was the NGE, but one thing I do remember was a video from E3 in 2002 that year that showed one of the dev's showing off combat and it was more NGE like then Pre-CU like. All of this tells me there is ALOT going on behind closed doors that the Player Base and Gamers just don't know about.
Now as for Bioware doing a 'KOTOR' MMO...
I wouldn't put it past Bioware doing a KOTOR 3, or a KOTOR MMO. Lets face it KOTOR is one of the most beloved Star Wars games to come out in the last few years. At the sametime if you think Bioware is going to make it a Pre-Cu system I don't think that will be the case. Look at all of Bioware's games, they use a D20 System and all of them are Level based as well. Mass Effect looks a little more NGE like not that it's a bad thing.
I will say this much, whatever MMO they are doing it will most likely be out for PC and Xbox 360.
Well first, KOTOR isn't Bioware IP. Contributions to the Holocron become LucasArts (or LucasFilm?) IP. This is why HK-47 of all things made an appearance in SWG.
Secondly, Bioware loathes LucasArts. That's primarily why KOTOR 2 was passed to Obsidian.
Frankly, Bioware is doing just fine with its own IPs. KOTOR is just a Star Wars retelling of the main campaign in Neverwinter Nights anyway. I would actually hate it if they gave in to the Lucas empire.
Actually, they own some rights to it considering SOE Dev's said they got approval & help from Bioware for the KoTOR additions to ToOW. Do they own SW? No. Do they own KotOR? No. Are they partners like Darkhorse? Yes.
To your second point, Bioware does NOT loath LA. Companies do not loath eachother when they are not in direct competition, people IN those companies loath eachother. Considering both companies have changed leadership since then, things have changed. KotOR was not passed on by Bioware secondly, it was partially subcontracted out to meet a deadline. Ask on the Bioware forums and they will tell you they did all pre-pro on KotOR2 but couldn't get it done on time due to conflicts, so they subbed it.
Bioware's most successful game to date, by their own words (again, ask their forums if you don't believe me) was KotOR. Heck, it's one of the best selling games or all time, and I believe it is the best selling SW game of all time (could be wrong on that one since Lego SW came out). You're right about the NWN / KotOR comparison, that's what made it so successful. Then again, GL has said SW was a classic fairy tale...
Last, a KotOR set MMO would be bigger then WoW easily. Any company in their right mind would want part of that. WoW is a Billion-a-year industry... even 10% of jack is something.... 10% of tNBT is a WHOLE lot of something...
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
Remember, Bioware on their own forums both recanted the "never work with LA" and the "never work on someone else's IP".
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
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And have it based on Pre-CU, at least conceptually.
A KOTOR MMO would be awesome... Free of the canon timeline, they can actually do story. Yes, we can have Jedi vs Sith. But we can have more than that.
The reason why KOTOR was so awesome was that it was an extremely well written story with the best plot (unquestionably) of ANY RPG ever, and was pure Star Wars. It fit better than any story since the original trilogy. Indeed, it would have made a better movie than the prequels for sure.
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Stranger things have happend-See CU-The were sticking with it no matter what...See-NGE- We wont be adding back buffs or any old precu stuff..
Point is companies are in things to make money Bioware is no different.If LA said hey we will give you tons-o-cash to do what SOE couldnt will you? Do you honestly think a independant Developer would turn down the huge cash flow LA has..Its kinda like a no brainer..Money talks bullshit walks...Hopefully Bioware will make an official statement saying yes or no..Either way another SWG is on the way..Its just a matter of who will take the torch since SWG1 many failures, its a huge risk based on the past..
Don't post this on the EMU forms they removed one post already.
How strange is that?
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