After hearing of the pet incubator announcement, I've already decided to re-activate my SWG account.
The game is great, pre-CU and post. The NGE isn't as bad as nearly everyone seems to portray it as. Yes, it sucked, lots, and lots, of balls back when they first did the update, however, it has gone major changes that have been beneficial. There is one (and yes, only one) problem that I have with the gameplay, and that is the major grindfest it is to get to level 90. Yeah, sure, the Kashyyyk and Mustafar quests help a lot, but only so far. The "expertise" system (which is really a talent system only you get points every few levels) is a great feature, mainly because it made PvP much, much more fun.
To all of you incessant nay-sayers, if you're really that upbeat about having a game changed to something (and I say this at risk) better than it was before, go organize your posse and picket outside various SOE offices. Personally, I think you're just too lazy to participate in the combat instead of spamming various abilities. The loss of the incredible class tree system is yes, a sad one, but it was for the better. Who says it's better? Apparently it's not the mass amount of vets that dropped this game like a bad habit right after the NGE came out. Oh... I bet you conveniently forgotten about how $OE screwed over the vets via the Trials of Obi-Wan: Promising a lot of new stuff to the existing professions with this expansion, then the day that $OE finishes putting the expansion on the servers, they announce the NGE, which would kill a vast majority of the professions that received boosts via the expansion. To me, that's crooked beyond belief, (actually, it's called bait-and-switch, and $OE could have been sued over it, as it is illegal... thus why they offered a refund for Trials of Obi-Wan) thus they won't get my business ever again. They most likely have intentions of changing the classes around to more fit the old system. You also have to realize that by knocking down all of the classes to only a handful, they also combined certain classes.
This thread is just asking for flames..... So here's one.... Veteran players will not come back
hmmm...I am a VET and I came back....
honestly, you need to come back and give it a try after chapter 6 hits. I can tell there is nothing out there right now that compares with the current SWG. Do the free trial....open your mind....give it an honest effort....what could be lost by giving it a try?
Show me another game that is just like SWG pre-CU and I will jump in a heartbeat. The thing of it is....every game that is in development, is nothing like our old game. I hope to see a game like the once we loved...but it simply is not likley. The industry is not GOING TO BUILD A GAME LIKE THAT....EVER AGAIN! It goes against every trend in the current market.
I wish it was not true!
Ok... so you are content with settling for half-*ssed content from a company as crooked as $OE. Good for you. However, unlike you,majority of the vets know the true $OE's crooked shenanigans. Thus, we were bitten once by them, hence why we won't trust them ever again.
I would like to comment about a few things in the above post(s) and give some of my insight on the matter:
I too left SWG for a brief period of time after the NGE hit the servers. I was no fan of it as I did not like many of the things that it changed. However once MANY changes were made; there are more than what I listed in my previous post I found that I once again enjoyed the game once I adapted to the new environment. As for galaxyreport whatever, I am not going to waste my time listening to some naysayer. Why would I let someone that's bitter and not objective and obviously has a gripe about SOE or SWG interfere with my fun or try to influence me? I know what I like in a game and SWG is meeting that. I log in to SWG to have fun with my friends. We do all the things we've done from Day One (over three years now). We log in. We check our emails, we gather for some missions or quests. New quests coming out for Rebel TP this next Chapter...we go to a planet and hunt some creatures, we roleplay, we discuss the game and the new content coming out. We have fun! We've never been big PvPers as it's just not our style. Everyone has their own style and have many things that motivate them. This may not sound like fun to you but it is to me and my friends and apparently alot of other people too. Personally, when I find a game doesn't work for me...I do several things:
1. Cancel my subscription.
2. Find a game that suits my playstyle and join it.
3. If that game gets boring, I move on and forget about it. I might go back at some later date when new content is added or whatnot.
4. I certainly don't waste my time returning to that games forums and try to influence everyone playing to leave, simply because I find a disagreement with some changes or whatever the case is that made me leave! I've got better things to do with my time.
If everyone did those four things, I think they'd be much happier and there'd be less vitriole in the gaming community as a whole. I'm not saying I'm perfect, but hey it works for me, maybe it can help someone else out too to have a new attitude about it.
One thing I'd also like to say. I doubt highly that ANY gaming company would gather their top minds, sit in a room and ask the question: "How can we so totally mess up our game that we will piss off our fanbase and become one of the worst games on the market? Ideas?" That's not what SOE did, they made some changes, which btw...alot of the community bitched about on the forums crying that their profession was not perfect, that such and such skill was wrong. The forums were FILLED to capacity pre-CU about complaints about how badly the combat system was...how poorly the Jedi system was implemented...the list is endless! So SOE / LA took a look at the game and thought they'd make some changes. It's that simple. Granted the changes hindsight were horrid...but you know what they did something about it. They had meetings with players all over the country to get constructive feedback. They have listened, and they recently polled the community about what they'd like to see next!!! SOE employees are like you and me, they're human beings first! They have feelings and I'm sure MANY of them are hurt by some of the hatred that SOME in the community pour at them. It's not fair and how would anyone like being bitched at work by the same level of negativity and hatred that so many spill on these people.
Maybe we should ALL think about what we say before we say it next time we post.
Peace!
You will probably not read this Deryk but it goes as well for every other that ask the vets to come back.
Stop it.
Stop asking the vets to come back, that serve nothing more then getting this type of thread here and making the hatefull come back. If you want to try to get NEW player, fine go ahead, I'll support you on this while explaining why so many left when the NGE came so they know what could happen. I'll even suggest they try it as yes it could be a good game for them and it's perfectly fine like that.
But what is not is when you are prompting players that had play this game for 2 years (some less but at least a year) and then say their opinion doesn't matter. IT DOES. The thread is clearly for the vets here yet, many of the actual players of SWG seems like they don't want to hear them that much but continu to prompt them on spitting on the name. That's wrong, we all know this (well I'm assuming here...) but some doesn't forget that easily when they feel betrayed and it's normal to want to transmit their mistrust about something because you don't want others to feel like this.
So whats the lesson here. It's fine to talk of the game, but stop asking for a reaction. Thats not helping the said game at all. It's actually making it worse. New player that will read this won't want to run into something that could seem so desertic as it sounds to be right now (and even with the screenshot... after all why trusting screenshot like this, I could put here myself screenshot of horrible bug I encountered in SWG pre nge and new player wouldn't see the difference).
To the vets, well yep we all feel it deep inside, the hurt from getting remembered of an ancient game we all loved even though many were always complaining (actual forum reader on the official swg board but never really talk there other then on server and musician forum). But that time has past and we must keep moving. Leave those that still enjoy it be and ignore such thread asking to come back. It will only hurt you more in the end.
Finally, to the new players. Just ignored what us old vets say about the past and see what is SWG right now. Basing your opinion on something that doesn't exist anymore might get you to pass something you could enjoy like many still does. Sure there is complain about the game by actual player, but it was always like that with SWG and it's actually like that on many many more games. I'm pretty sure there is still some trial for SWG so just grab one and make your own opinion of a game that was changed by a quite daring move from the Devs.
And for all of you, remember that games are not the real life. They are there to have fun and to enjoy yourself. So have fun playing and don't forget that you have a life as well in the real world.
Old vet here. I came back on one account (i had allot of them) to see what state the game was in. While i still despise the fact that SOE ruined my jedi, the time investment , the many long hours of grinding professions, to the village grind etc. Nowdays anyone can be a jedi and it just sucks. during this time jedi aren' supposed to be everywhere and visable. (makes me think of perma death days)
Now after i look at what they improved upon well i dont know if this an improvement but there is no penalty for death. you just get up and keep going. No exp loss for jedi and that means no consequence. They DID do a good job i think with GCW revamp. It means something now to have rank. GCW means somethign and last night on lowca @ talus weapon's station we had a blast. We went back and forth for hours and had allot of fun. Reminded me of the old days when we had base raiding parties.
My advice, download the game and give it a try, make your own decision based off what you think is important and then go with it. In the end the only person who can decide if your happy or not is you.
In reality this topic is not needed, one of the last things i want to see in the game is Vet players. I prefer the new crowd that is coming in now, they don't whine as much as returning vets and it is allways nice to be playing with noobs and helping them on their way.
I mean face it, the next generation of gamers are now crawling into SWG, this is the reason for the population increase, not old vets returning. I am pretty sure that if SOE launches a good marketing campaign they can easily flood the servers and i am sure they will at some point, i think they will most likely have a snake in the pipe and just waiting for the game to be more "whole" ....
I have seen some old players returning over the last few months, and surprising some of them do enjoy the changes, but old vets are not responsible for population increase, i think it is more players that got sick of WoW and Vangaurd that decided to give SWG a go, and since they don't know Pre cu or CU they have nothing to whine about and enjoy the game as is. Seriously, if they ever did a rollback 90% of the current playerbase would leave instantly, because altho pre cu is a dream for most of you, it would be a nightmare for most of the current players.
Also i just wanted to stress one last point.
The current development team is not the same team as the one that screwed up the game, all those guys left, the current team are new, and altho they deny it, i do think they are slowly trying to make starwars pre cu again, not in the same sense as a rollback, but slowly i do see many things that were disabled and broken being fixed or being planned for a fix along the way, but, i must congratulate the current dev's, because they make everything their own, and by that i mean they might bring back old features, but they revamp it at the same time to give it a more balanced and better feel than it had before, it is nice to see tham take chances like this and every publish has shocked me so far. I never expected SWG to make a comeback at all, i was dreading the email that i would get to notify me of server closure, but since the new team got onboard i have slowly seen them breath live into the game, and i am sure they still have alot planned. chapter 6 is looking good, and chapter 7 is a content chapter, so i won't be quiting anytime soon, i am still having to much fun at the moment.
But seriously now, i did not post this to annoy old vets or anything, it is just my 2 cents on the subject, old vets have reason to hate soe and not return, but like i said, the ones that have returned seem to find it harder to adjust than new players, altho alot of my old friends even tho most won't admit it i know they love the new system.
Last word to old vets :
you have reason to hate soe and the game, and frankly i do not give a rats @ss if you never come back, i just get annoyed when you guys post so much lies about the game. The population is picking up without you weither you like it or not, and as more and more people get tired of WoWSux and other mmorpgs they slowly flog over to swg, and one there they get addicted very quickly because of the complexity this game has that so many others are lacking. just please stop posting lies everywhere.
Some servers populations are low yes, but few of them are constantly medium or heavy so to say the game is dead is a lie, it may be a little under populated compared to the old days but it is far from dead, a few months ago all servers were on the light side and you could have said it was dead, but lot of new faces in the game nowadays.
To say that current nge sux is a lie, the initial nge release sucked big time, i won't argue that point because they really broke everything, and i mean everything. but so much has changed since then, so many things added that you won't even recognise the game as nge. infact the new system should get a name of it's own because everyone seems to confuse it with nge of year and half ago.
to all new players wanting to try the game :
don't listen to all the negativity, try the free trial, make up your own mind about the game, i am pretty sure that once you try it you will love it, but please old vets go play wow or vangaurd or whatever floats your boat, we don't need or want you in this game, all you ever did in the old days was spam the channels anyway, i would rather prefer new faces.
In reality this topic is not needed, one of the last things i want to see in the game is Vet players. I prefer the new crowd (yes i want the players that don't care about community, don't care if they upset anyone or even if they dress up as Power Rangers, YES i want the new generation of players that come up to the lair im grinding on and start to take it out without even asking, YES i want the RUDE players to be in the game and cater to them!) that is coming in now, they don't whine as much as returning vets and it is allways nice to be playing with noobs and helping them (Mold them the way i see fit) on their way. I mean face it, the next generation of gamers are now crawling (infants) into SWG, this is the reason for the population increase (due to vets copulating), not old vets returning (of course they wont come back the game is to easy and they are busy copulating and having babies that can play SWG). I am pretty sure that if SOE launches a good marketing campaign they can easily flood the servers and i am sure they will at some point, i think they will most likely have a snake in the pipe and just waiting for the game to be more "whole" .... I have seen some old players returning over the last few months, and surprising some of them do enjoy the changes, but old vets are not responsible for population increase, i think (uhh ohh acutaly going to use brain matter here look out)it is more players that got sick of WoW and Vangaurd that decided to give SWG a go, and since they don't know Pre cu or CU they have nothing to whine about and enjoy the game as is (except for the endless bugs, fanboi's and the like). Seriously, if they ever did a rollback 90% of the current playerbase would leave instantly, (the game would be to complex for their simple minds) because altho pre cu is a dream for most of you, it would be a nightmare for most of the current players. Also i just wanted to stress one last point. The current development team is not the same team as the one that screwed up the game, all those guys left (including Jfreeman and the crew who came up with the NGE), the current team are new, and altho they deny it, i do think they are slowly trying to make starwars pre cu again (of course they are after all it was the best system they had), not in the same sense as a rollback, but slowly i do see many things that were disabled and broken being fixed or being planned for a fix along the way, but, i must congratulate the current dev's, because they make everything their own, and by that i mean they might bring back old features, but they revamp it at the same time to give it a more balanced (duh features from previous versions have to be dumbed down for the kiddies to understand) and better feel than it had before, it is nice to see tham take chances like this (chances? the last time they did this kind of work they brought us the NGE, yeah that was a real success, NGE cost SOE and LA Millions! SMART MOVE) and every publish has shocked me so far. (why wouldnt it? when your ont he bottom there is no where to go but up) I never expected SWG to make a comeback at all, i was dreading the email that i would get to notify me of server closure, but since the new team got onboard i have slowly seen them breath live into the game, and i am sure they still have alot planned. chapter 6 is looking good, and chapter 7 is a content chapter, so i won't be quiting anytime soon, i am still having to much fun at the moment.
But seriously now, i did not post this to annoy old vets or anything (why would you care? after all your the target audiancxe right?) , it is just my 2 cents on the subject, old vets have reason to hate soe and not return, but like i said, the ones that have returned seem to find it harder to adjust (i dont believe this at all, hard to adjust come on you have few attack comands, few buff commands, truefully its not hard, if its hard for you maybe its to simple) than new players, altho alot of my old friends even tho most won't admit it i know they love the new system. Last word to old vets : you have reason to hate soe and the game, and frankly i do not give a rats @ss if you never come back (i recall back during the CU many fanboi's said the same thing and it help drive thousands from the game. I have to ask you this, Are you mental? If you have a game that is barely afloat and want to keep it around for years to come you NEVER push an audiance away or tell them to leave or dont come back. Plain stupid remark!), i just get annoyed when you guys post so much lies about the game. The population is picking up without you weither you like it or not, and as more and more people get tired of WoWSux and other mmorpgs they slowly flog over to swg, and one there they get addicted very quickly because of the complexity this game (used to have)has that so many others are lacking. just please stop posting lies everywhere. (lies or opinions? If someone states an opinion then how can the opinion be a lie, unless they are fooling themselfs in either case this is MENTAL) Some (several) servers populations are low yes, but few of them are constantly medium or heavy so to say the game is dead is a lie, (the matrix is created by SOE as far as population reporting via server selection screen, and SOE made it so if a hundred people are in game it reads medium server traffic.) it may be a little under populated (TRY several thousands of players left, underpopulated to say the least. LOWCA had 2-3 thousand on a night now barely a few hundred so go lie to someone else.)compared to the old days but it is far from dead, a few months ago all servers were on the light side and you could have said it was dead, but lot of new faces in the game nowadays. To say that current nge sux is a lie,(again an opinion that is sucks, your opinion says it dosent) the initial nge release sucked big time, i won't argue that point because they really broke everything, and i mean everything. but so much has changed since then, so many things added that you won't even recognise the game as nge (minus buffs, combat and ohh the 9 iconic professions). infact the new system should get a name of it's own because everyone seems to confuse it with nge of year and half ago. ( THATS BECAUSE IT IS!)
to all new players wanting to try the game : don't listen to all the negativity, try the free trial, make up your own mind about the game, i am pretty sure that once you try it you will love it, but please old vets go play wow or vangaurd or whatever floats your boat, we don't need or want you (again stupid fanboi remark here, wow can you be so ignorant.) in this game, all you ever did in the old days was spam the channels anyway, (WOW are you 12? wait thats right you are the target audiance so you must be) i would rather prefer new faces. (that i can manipulate to my hearts content)
just my 2 cents. (do you have 2 cents to your name?)
There we go FIXED!
BTW i'm a vet that you so hate and despise. I came back to the game and found it playable (2 mele attacks for jedi dumbed down from 9 yeah this is a hard game now), While it isn't as good as it used to be it's ok a shadow of its former self. Compared to all the other Fantasy MMO's on the market i think SWG is a good alternative to them espc if your tired of fantasy games.
Raymerjacque i have to say your a tool. now go stand by the shed and rust.
you get more fly's with honey than you do with vineger.
In reality this topic is not needed, one of the last things i want to see in the game is Vet players. I prefer the new crowd (yes i want the players that don't care about community, don't care if they upset anyone or even if they dress up as Power Rangers, YES i want the new generation of players that come up to the lair im grinding on and start to take it out without even asking, YES i want the RUDE players to be in the game and cater to them!) that is coming in now, they don't whine as much as returning vets and it is allways nice to be playing with noobs and helping them (Mold them the way i see fit) on their way. I mean face it, the next generation of gamers are now crawling (infants) into SWG, this is the reason for the population increase (due to vets copulating), not old vets returning (of course they wont come back the game is to easy and they are busy copulating and having babies that can play SWG). I am pretty sure that if SOE launches a good marketing campaign they can easily flood the servers and i am sure they will at some point, i think they will most likely have a snake in the pipe and just waiting for the game to be more "whole" .... I have seen some old players returning over the last few months, and surprising some of them do enjoy the changes, but old vets are not responsible for population increase, i think (uhh ohh acutaly going to use brain matter here look out)it is more players that got sick of WoW and Vangaurd that decided to give SWG a go, and since they don't know Pre cu or CU they have nothing to whine about and enjoy the game as is (except for the endless bugs, fanboi's and the like). Seriously, if they ever did a rollback 90% of the current playerbase would leave instantly, (the game would be to complex for their simple minds) because altho pre cu is a dream for most of you, it would be a nightmare for most of the current players. Also i just wanted to stress one last point. The current development team is not the same team as the one that screwed up the game, all those guys left (including Jfreeman and the crew who came up with the NGE), the current team are new, and altho they deny it, i do think they are slowly trying to make starwars pre cu again (of course they are after all it was the best system they had), not in the same sense as a rollback, but slowly i do see many things that were disabled and broken being fixed or being planned for a fix along the way, but, i must congratulate the current dev's, because they make everything their own, and by that i mean they might bring back old features, but they revamp it at the same time to give it a more balanced (duh features from previous versions have to be dumbed down for the kiddies to understand) and better feel than it had before, it is nice to see tham take chances like this (chances? the last time they did this kind of work they brought us the NGE, yeah that was a real success, NGE cost SOE and LA Millions! SMART MOVE) and every publish has shocked me so far. (why wouldnt it? when your ont he bottom there is no where to go but up) I never expected SWG to make a comeback at all, i was dreading the email that i would get to notify me of server closure, but since the new team got onboard i have slowly seen them breath live into the game, and i am sure they still have alot planned. chapter 6 is looking good, and chapter 7 is a content chapter, so i won't be quiting anytime soon, i am still having to much fun at the moment.
But seriously now, i did not post this to annoy old vets or anything (why would you care? after all your the target audiancxe right?) , it is just my 2 cents on the subject, old vets have reason to hate soe and not return, but like i said, the ones that have returned seem to find it harder to adjust (i dont believe this at all, hard to adjust come on you have few attack comands, few buff commands, truefully its not hard, if its hard for you maybe its to simple) than new players, altho alot of my old friends even tho most won't admit it i know they love the new system. Last word to old vets : you have reason to hate soe and the game, and frankly i do not give a rats @ss if you never come back (i recall back during the CU many fanboi's said the same thing and it help drive thousands from the game. I have to ask you this, Are you mental? If you have a game that is barely afloat and want to keep it around for years to come you NEVER push an audiance away or tell them to leave or dont come back. Plain stupid remark!), i just get annoyed when you guys post so much lies about the game. The population is picking up without you weither you like it or not, and as more and more people get tired of WoWSux and other mmorpgs they slowly flog over to swg, and one there they get addicted very quickly because of the complexity this game (used to have)has that so many others are lacking. just please stop posting lies everywhere. (lies or opinions? If someone states an opinion then how can the opinion be a lie, unless they are fooling themselfs in either case this is MENTAL) Some (several) servers populations are low yes, but few of them are constantly medium or heavy so to say the game is dead is a lie, (the matrix is created by SOE as far as population reporting via server selection screen, and SOE made it so if a hundred people are in game it reads medium server traffic.) it may be a little under populated (TRY several thousands of players left, underpopulated to say the least. LOWCA had 2-3 thousand on a night now barely a few hundred so go lie to someone else.)compared to the old days but it is far from dead, a few months ago all servers were on the light side and you could have said it was dead, but lot of new faces in the game nowadays. To say that current nge sux is a lie,(again an opinion that is sucks, your opinion says it dosent) the initial nge release sucked big time, i won't argue that point because they really broke everything, and i mean everything. but so much has changed since then, so many things added that you won't even recognise the game as nge (minus buffs, combat and ohh the 9 iconic professions). infact the new system should get a name of it's own because everyone seems to confuse it with nge of year and half ago. ( THATS BECAUSE IT IS!)
to all new players wanting to try the game : don't listen to all the negativity, try the free trial, make up your own mind about the game, i am pretty sure that once you try it you will love it, but please old vets go play wow or vangaurd or whatever floats your boat, we don't need or want you (again stupid fanboi remark here, wow can you be so ignorant.) in this game, all you ever did in the old days was spam the channels anyway, (WOW are you 12? wait thats right you are the target audiance so you must be) i would rather prefer new faces. (that i can manipulate to my hearts content)
just my 2 cents. (do you have 2 cents to your name?)
There we go FIXED!
BTW i'm a vet that you so hate and despise. I came back to the game and found it playable (2 mele attacks for jedi dumbed down from 9 yeah this is a hard game now), While it isn't as good as it used to be it's ok a shadow of its former self. Compared to all the other Fantasy MMO's on the market i think SWG is a good alternative to them espc if your tired of fantasy games.
Raymerjacque i have to say your a tool. now go stand by the shed and rust.
you get more fly's with honey than you do with vineger.
I have no idea why anyone courts these vets back into the game either.
They have no tolerance of anyone who likes / enjoys the game, has a different opinion and resort to personal attacks to reinforce their point. They are what they claim to hate.
What ray wrote did not warrent the personal attacks. I will not comment further as the post speaks for itself. You should take your own advice and have some honey and stop flinging vineger at everyone for not agreeing with you.
Please read my other post's regarding this subject. I responded in kind to his insulting post. Lets not forget if it wasn't for vets the game woudln't be around now would it? This Frenchman post is insulting to say the least. Fanboi's like him are the ones who helped ruin SWG. And lastly i cant stand ignorant people.
In reality this topic is not needed, one of the last things i want to see in the game is Vet players. I prefer the new crowd (yes i want the players that don't care about community, don't care if they upset anyone or even if they dress up as Power Rangers, YES i want the new generation of players that come up to the lair im grinding on and start to take it out without even asking, YES i want the RUDE players to be in the game and cater to them!) that is coming in now, they don't whine as much as returning vets and it is allways nice to be playing with noobs and helping them (Mold them the way i see fit) on their way. I mean face it, the next generation of gamers are now crawling (infants) into SWG, this is the reason for the population increase (due to vets copulating), not old vets returning (of course they wont come back the game is to easy and they are busy copulating and having babies that can play SWG). I am pretty sure that if SOE launches a good marketing campaign they can easily flood the servers and i am sure they will at some point, i think they will most likely have a snake in the pipe and just waiting for the game to be more "whole" .... I have seen some old players returning over the last few months, and surprising some of them do enjoy the changes, but old vets are not responsible for population increase, i think (uhh ohh acutaly going to use brain matter here look out)it is more players that got sick of WoW and Vangaurd that decided to give SWG a go, and since they don't know Pre cu or CU they have nothing to whine about and enjoy the game as is (except for the endless bugs, fanboi's and the like). Seriously, if they ever did a rollback 90% of the current playerbase would leave instantly, (the game would be to complex for their simple minds) because altho pre cu is a dream for most of you, it would be a nightmare for most of the current players. Also i just wanted to stress one last point. The current development team is not the same team as the one that screwed up the game, all those guys left (including Jfreeman and the crew who came up with the NGE), the current team are new, and altho they deny it, i do think they are slowly trying to make starwars pre cu again (of course they are after all it was the best system they had), not in the same sense as a rollback, but slowly i do see many things that were disabled and broken being fixed or being planned for a fix along the way, but, i must congratulate the current dev's, because they make everything their own, and by that i mean they might bring back old features, but they revamp it at the same time to give it a more balanced (duh features from previous versions have to be dumbed down for the kiddies to understand) and better feel than it had before, it is nice to see tham take chances like this (chances? the last time they did this kind of work they brought us the NGE, yeah that was a real success, NGE cost SOE and LA Millions! SMART MOVE) and every publish has shocked me so far. (why wouldnt it? when your ont he bottom there is no where to go but up) I never expected SWG to make a comeback at all, i was dreading the email that i would get to notify me of server closure, but since the new team got onboard i have slowly seen them breath live into the game, and i am sure they still have alot planned. chapter 6 is looking good, and chapter 7 is a content chapter, so i won't be quiting anytime soon, i am still having to much fun at the moment.
But seriously now, i did not post this to annoy old vets or anything (why would you care? after all your the target audiancxe right?) , it is just my 2 cents on the subject, old vets have reason to hate soe and not return, but like i said, the ones that have returned seem to find it harder to adjust (i dont believe this at all, hard to adjust come on you have few attack comands, few buff commands, truefully its not hard, if its hard for you maybe its to simple) than new players, altho alot of my old friends even tho most won't admit it i know they love the new system. Last word to old vets : you have reason to hate soe and the game, and frankly i do not give a rats @ss if you never come back (i recall back during the CU many fanboi's said the same thing and it help drive thousands from the game. I have to ask you this, Are you mental? If you have a game that is barely afloat and want to keep it around for years to come you NEVER push an audiance away or tell them to leave or dont come back. Plain stupid remark!), i just get annoyed when you guys post so much lies about the game. The population is picking up without you weither you like it or not, and as more and more people get tired of WoWSux and other mmorpgs they slowly flog over to swg, and one there they get addicted very quickly because of the complexity this game (used to have)has that so many others are lacking. just please stop posting lies everywhere. (lies or opinions? If someone states an opinion then how can the opinion be a lie, unless they are fooling themselfs in either case this is MENTAL) Some (several) servers populations are low yes, but few of them are constantly medium or heavy so to say the game is dead is a lie, (the matrix is created by SOE as far as population reporting via server selection screen, and SOE made it so if a hundred people are in game it reads medium server traffic.) it may be a little under populated (TRY several thousands of players left, underpopulated to say the least. LOWCA had 2-3 thousand on a night now barely a few hundred so go lie to someone else.)compared to the old days but it is far from dead, a few months ago all servers were on the light side and you could have said it was dead, but lot of new faces in the game nowadays. To say that current nge sux is a lie,(again an opinion that is sucks, your opinion says it dosent) the initial nge release sucked big time, i won't argue that point because they really broke everything, and i mean everything. but so much has changed since then, so many things added that you won't even recognise the game as nge (minus buffs, combat and ohh the 9 iconic professions). infact the new system should get a name of it's own because everyone seems to confuse it with nge of year and half ago. ( THATS BECAUSE IT IS!)
to all new players wanting to try the game : don't listen to all the negativity, try the free trial, make up your own mind about the game, i am pretty sure that once you try it you will love it, but please old vets go play wow or vangaurd or whatever floats your boat, we don't need or want you (again stupid fanboi remark here, wow can you be so ignorant.) in this game, all you ever did in the old days was spam the channels anyway, (WOW are you 12? wait thats right you are the target audiance so you must be) i would rather prefer new faces. (that i can manipulate to my hearts content)
just my 2 cents. (do you have 2 cents to your name?)
There we go FIXED!
BTW i'm a vet that you so hate and despise. I came back to the game and found it playable (2 mele attacks for jedi dumbed down from 9 yeah this is a hard game now), While it isn't as good as it used to be it's ok a shadow of its former self. Compared to all the other Fantasy MMO's on the market i think SWG is a good alternative to them espc if your tired of fantasy games.
Raymerjacque i have to say your a tool. now go stand by the shed and rust.
you get more fly's with honey than you do with vineger.
I have no idea why anyone courts these vets back into the game either.
They have no tolerance of anyone who likes / enjoys the game, has a different opinion and resort to personal attacks to reinforce their point. They are what they claim to hate.
What ray wrote did not warrent the personal attacks. I will not comment further as the post speaks for itself. You should take your own advice and have some honey and stop flinging vineger at everyone for not agreeing with you.
Where did i post any hatred for anyone that didnt agree with me? Did i state we dont want XXXX back int he game, did i tell you to stop playing we dont want you? Did i tell you to F--- off? Did i Say to you or anyone that your mental? (well ok i did say that but not directed to you.)
Folks you got to unlearn what you have learned. Reread the post, you might need to read it a few times before you get the satire.
If not I'm not coming back. Level grinders are for people with no immagination. No offense. That's just how I feel. When they ripped out the following they ruined SWG for me:
1) Skill based advancement
2) Damage TYPES meaning something
3) True character customization where you can make any combination of skills you desired.
Those were the big 3 for me. When they ripped that out they ripped out the 3 core reasons I loved SWG.
I'm very happy that you guys are having fun. But I'm affraid that those of us who left didn't leave because SWG wasn't fun anymore. We left because the core gameplay elements that used to make it fun *for us* aren't there anymore.
I personally detest level grinders. They just turn me off. Especially linear grinders like SWG became. I'm glad you're enjoying playing EQ with Blasters and Lightsabers. Sorry but it's not for me.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
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I have never even played this game BUT im going to give it a go - no im not crazy.
Can a SWG fan PM me and tell me the best server to play on
Thanks
hmmm...I am a VET and I came back....
honestly, you need to come back and give it a try after chapter 6 hits. I can tell there is nothing out there right now that compares with the current SWG. Do the free trial....open your mind....give it an honest effort....what could be lost by giving it a try?
Show me another game that is just like SWG pre-CU and I will jump in a heartbeat. The thing of it is....every game that is in development, is nothing like our old game. I hope to see a game like the once we loved...but it simply is not likley. The industry is not GOING TO BUILD A GAME LIKE THAT....EVER AGAIN! It goes against every trend in the current market.
I wish it was not true!
Ok... so you are content with settling for half-*ssed content from a company as crooked as $OE. Good for you. However, unlike you, majority of the vets know the true $OE's crooked shenanigans. Thus, we were bitten once by them, hence why we won't trust them ever again."We're increasing the limits to the following for test tomorrow:
Combat pets:
Droids, legacy pets, beasts, and officer pets are the same type called "combat pets".
The maximum for combat pets in your datapad for creating new control devices will be twelve.
Rideable control devices:
Mounts and vehicles count as "rideable" control devices.
The maximum for rideable control devices for creating new control devices will be ten."
I am enjoying the new content on test center. After a few publishes I hope to see the return of the Tera Kasi!
untill then soe is s.o.l.
You will probably not read this Deryk but it goes as well for every other that ask the vets to come back.
Stop it.
Stop asking the vets to come back, that serve nothing more then getting this type of thread here and making the hatefull come back. If you want to try to get NEW player, fine go ahead, I'll support you on this while explaining why so many left when the NGE came so they know what could happen. I'll even suggest they try it as yes it could be a good game for them and it's perfectly fine like that.
But what is not is when you are prompting players that had play this game for 2 years (some less but at least a year) and then say their opinion doesn't matter. IT DOES. The thread is clearly for the vets here yet, many of the actual players of SWG seems like they don't want to hear them that much but continu to prompt them on spitting on the name. That's wrong, we all know this (well I'm assuming here...) but some doesn't forget that easily when they feel betrayed and it's normal to want to transmit their mistrust about something because you don't want others to feel like this.
So whats the lesson here. It's fine to talk of the game, but stop asking for a reaction. Thats not helping the said game at all. It's actually making it worse. New player that will read this won't want to run into something that could seem so desertic as it sounds to be right now (and even with the screenshot... after all why trusting screenshot like this, I could put here myself screenshot of horrible bug I encountered in SWG pre nge and new player wouldn't see the difference).
To the vets, well yep we all feel it deep inside, the hurt from getting remembered of an ancient game we all loved even though many were always complaining (actual forum reader on the official swg board but never really talk there other then on server and musician forum). But that time has past and we must keep moving. Leave those that still enjoy it be and ignore such thread asking to come back. It will only hurt you more in the end.
Finally, to the new players. Just ignored what us old vets say about the past and see what is SWG right now. Basing your opinion on something that doesn't exist anymore might get you to pass something you could enjoy like many still does. Sure there is complain about the game by actual player, but it was always like that with SWG and it's actually like that on many many more games. I'm pretty sure there is still some trial for SWG so just grab one and make your own opinion of a game that was changed by a quite daring move from the Devs.
And for all of you, remember that games are not the real life. They are there to have fun and to enjoy yourself. So have fun playing and don't forget that you have a life as well in the real world.
Old vet here. I came back on one account (i had allot of them) to see what state the game was in. While i still despise the fact that SOE ruined my jedi, the time investment , the many long hours of grinding professions, to the village grind etc. Nowdays anyone can be a jedi and it just sucks. during this time jedi aren' supposed to be everywhere and visable. (makes me think of perma death days)Now after i look at what they improved upon well i dont know if this an improvement but there is no penalty for death. you just get up and keep going. No exp loss for jedi and that means no consequence. They DID do a good job i think with GCW revamp. It means something now to have rank. GCW means somethign and last night on lowca @ talus weapon's station we had a blast. We went back and forth for hours and had allot of fun. Reminded me of the old days when we had base raiding parties.
My advice, download the game and give it a try, make your own decision based off what you think is important and then go with it. In the end the only person who can decide if your happy or not is you.
In reality this topic is not needed, one of the last things i want to see in the game is Vet players. I prefer the new crowd that is coming in now, they don't whine as much as returning vets and it is allways nice to be playing with noobs and helping them on their way.
I mean face it, the next generation of gamers are now crawling into SWG, this is the reason for the population increase, not old vets returning. I am pretty sure that if SOE launches a good marketing campaign they can easily flood the servers and i am sure they will at some point, i think they will most likely have a snake in the pipe and just waiting for the game to be more "whole" ....
I have seen some old players returning over the last few months, and surprising some of them do enjoy the changes, but old vets are not responsible for population increase, i think it is more players that got sick of WoW and Vangaurd that decided to give SWG a go, and since they don't know Pre cu or CU they have nothing to whine about and enjoy the game as is. Seriously, if they ever did a rollback 90% of the current playerbase would leave instantly, because altho pre cu is a dream for most of you, it would be a nightmare for most of the current players.
Also i just wanted to stress one last point.
The current development team is not the same team as the one that screwed up the game, all those guys left, the current team are new, and altho they deny it, i do think they are slowly trying to make starwars pre cu again, not in the same sense as a rollback, but slowly i do see many things that were disabled and broken being fixed or being planned for a fix along the way, but, i must congratulate the current dev's, because they make everything their own, and by that i mean they might bring back old features, but they revamp it at the same time to give it a more balanced and better feel than it had before, it is nice to see tham take chances like this and every publish has shocked me so far. I never expected SWG to make a comeback at all, i was dreading the email that i would get to notify me of server closure, but since the new team got onboard i have slowly seen them breath live into the game, and i am sure they still have alot planned. chapter 6 is looking good, and chapter 7 is a content chapter, so i won't be quiting anytime soon, i am still having to much fun at the moment.
But seriously now, i did not post this to annoy old vets or anything, it is just my 2 cents on the subject, old vets have reason to hate soe and not return, but like i said, the ones that have returned seem to find it harder to adjust than new players, altho alot of my old friends even tho most won't admit it i know they love the new system.
Last word to old vets :
you have reason to hate soe and the game, and frankly i do not give a rats @ss if you never come back, i just get annoyed when you guys post so much lies about the game. The population is picking up without you weither you like it or not, and as more and more people get tired of WoWSux and other mmorpgs they slowly flog over to swg, and one there they get addicted very quickly because of the complexity this game has that so many others are lacking. just please stop posting lies everywhere.
Some servers populations are low yes, but few of them are constantly medium or heavy so to say the game is dead is a lie, it may be a little under populated compared to the old days but it is far from dead, a few months ago all servers were on the light side and you could have said it was dead, but lot of new faces in the game nowadays.
To say that current nge sux is a lie, the initial nge release sucked big time, i won't argue that point because they really broke everything, and i mean everything. but so much has changed since then, so many things added that you won't even recognise the game as nge. infact the new system should get a name of it's own because everyone seems to confuse it with nge of year and half ago.
to all new players wanting to try the game :
don't listen to all the negativity, try the free trial, make up your own mind about the game, i am pretty sure that once you try it you will love it, but please old vets go play wow or vangaurd or whatever floats your boat, we don't need or want you in this game, all you ever did in the old days was spam the channels anyway, i would rather prefer new faces.
just my 2 cents.
BTW i'm a vet that you so hate and despise. I came back to the game and found it playable (2 mele attacks for jedi dumbed down from 9 yeah this is a hard game now), While it isn't as good as it used to be it's ok a shadow of its former self. Compared to all the other Fantasy MMO's on the market i think SWG is a good alternative to them espc if your tired of fantasy games.
Raymerjacque i have to say your a tool. now go stand by the shed and rust.
you get more fly's with honey than you do with vineger.
BTW i'm a vet that you so hate and despise. I came back to the game and found it playable (2 mele attacks for jedi dumbed down from 9 yeah this is a hard game now), While it isn't as good as it used to be it's ok a shadow of its former self. Compared to all the other Fantasy MMO's on the market i think SWG is a good alternative to them espc if your tired of fantasy games.
Raymerjacque i have to say your a tool. now go stand by the shed and rust.
you get more fly's with honey than you do with vineger.
I have no idea why anyone courts these vets back into the game either.
They have no tolerance of anyone who likes / enjoys the game, has a different opinion and resort to personal attacks to reinforce their point. They are what they claim to hate.
What ray wrote did not warrent the personal attacks. I will not comment further as the post speaks for itself. You should take your own advice and have some honey and stop flinging vineger at everyone for not agreeing with you.
BTW i'm a vet that you so hate and despise. I came back to the game and found it playable (2 mele attacks for jedi dumbed down from 9 yeah this is a hard game now), While it isn't as good as it used to be it's ok a shadow of its former self. Compared to all the other Fantasy MMO's on the market i think SWG is a good alternative to them espc if your tired of fantasy games.
Raymerjacque i have to say your a tool. now go stand by the shed and rust.
you get more fly's with honey than you do with vineger.
I have no idea why anyone courts these vets back into the game either.
They have no tolerance of anyone who likes / enjoys the game, has a different opinion and resort to personal attacks to reinforce their point. They are what they claim to hate.
What ray wrote did not warrent the personal attacks. I will not comment further as the post speaks for itself. You should take your own advice and have some honey and stop flinging vineger at everyone for not agreeing with you.
Where did i post any hatred for anyone that didnt agree with me? Did i state we dont want XXXX back int he game, did i tell you to stop playing we dont want you? Did i tell you to F--- off? Did i Say to you or anyone that your mental? (well ok i did say that but not directed to you.)Folks you got to unlearn what you have learned. Reread the post, you might need to read it a few times before you get the satire.
If not I'm not coming back. Level grinders are for people with no immagination. No offense. That's just how I feel. When they ripped out the following they ruined SWG for me:
1) Skill based advancement
2) Damage TYPES meaning something
3) True character customization where you can make any combination of skills you desired.
Those were the big 3 for me. When they ripped that out they ripped out the 3 core reasons I loved SWG.
I'm very happy that you guys are having fun. But I'm affraid that those of us who left didn't leave because SWG wasn't fun anymore. We left because the core gameplay elements that used to make it fun *for us* aren't there anymore.
I personally detest level grinders. They just turn me off. Especially linear grinders like SWG became. I'm glad you're enjoying playing EQ with Blasters and Lightsabers. Sorry but it's not for me.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell