Howdy, Stranger!

It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!

why ruin a good thing?

the LOTR franchise has been amazing. Great books (Tolkien is a genious), great movies, even the other games have been, for the most part, decent. So why did they feel it necessary to ruin this? You take WoW, add a new template, change the theme a bit, and you have LOTR online. I do, however, give credit to the research gone into the developement. Making your character names have to follow Tolkiens guidelines was a good attempt to create a solid roleplaying environment. However, for a game that seems to be aimed at the WoW community, this is completely uneeded. Sorry devs, the fellowship has been broken
«1

Comments

  • RazperilRazperil Member Posts: 289
    Originally posted by Gullintani

    the LOTR franchise has been amazing. Great books (Tolkien is a genious), great movies, even the other games have been, for the most part, decent. So why did they feel it necessary to ruin this? You take WoW, add a new template, change the theme a bit, and you have LOTR online. I do, however, give credit to the research gone into the developement. Making your character names have to follow Tolkiens guidelines was a good attempt to create a solid roleplaying environment. However, for a game that seems to be aimed at the WoW community, this is completely uneeded. Sorry devs, the fellowship has been broken
    Let me see here.. they ruined this game in what way? A great lauch, tons of avid people playing it.. and an expansion already on it's way.. free too, I might add.  But of course we have people like you that always seems to find something bad to say about it. Don't play the game if it's so WoW like in your opinion. I know there will be more pointless threads just like this one. I hope they all get locked too. For being the waste of space that they are.
  • Mars505Mars505 Member Posts: 623
    To the OP:

    Speak

    for

    yourself.



    To the forum people:

    SOE Viral Marketing is ruining this forum.

    who me ?

  • TedDansonTedDanson Member Posts: 513
    Originally posted by Mars505

    To the OP:

    Speak

    for

    yourself.



    To the forum people:

    SOE Viral Marketing is ruining this forum.
    To you: Paranoia is making you look WAY uglier.
  • DataDayDataDay Member UncommonPosts: 1,538
    While i disagree that turbined tried to make it more like WoW, I do agree that they did hurt the franchise.



    Lets be honest, Turbine has been able to get two huge franchises which they "ruined" in my opinion.



    Both Dungeons and Dragons, and now LOTR.



    How does a company, that produces non-blockbuster quality games, get their hands on these franchises? It just amazes me.



    They do not put a lot into the budget or the game, because they know the name will sell their product, not the actually quality of it. And it shows.



    The LOTR franchise and the D&D franchise should have been given to a group of developers that were willing to go beyond and take advantage of what each franchise offers.



    The first thing turbine did wrong is using that damn engine again. There are so many more talented developers and producers out there, its a shame they are not found at Turbine.
  • TedDansonTedDanson Member Posts: 513
    Originally posted by Rabenwolf

    While i disagree that turbined tried to make it more like WoW, I do agree that they did hurt the franchise.



    Lets be honest, Turbine has been able to get two huge franchises which they "ruined" in my opinion.



    Both Dungeons and Dragons, and now LOTR.



    How does a company, that produces non-blockbuster quality games, get their hands on these franchises? It just amazes me.



    They do not put a lot into the budget or the game, because they know the name will sell their product, not the actually quality of it. And it shows.



    The LOTR franchise and the D&D franchise should have been given to a group of developers that were willing to go beyond and take advantage of what each franchise offers.



    The first thing turbine did wrong is using that damn engine again. There are so many more talented developers and producers out there, its a shame they are not found at Turbine.



    /QFT

    The saddest is that Dungeons and dragons is probably the BEST IP to adapt to this medium. It could've been the best MMO to date, but instead they ruined it.

  • SalvatorisSalvatoris Member Posts: 1,360
    Originally posted by Rabenwolf

    While i disagree that turbined tried to make it more like WoW, I do agree that they did hurt the franchise.



    Lets be honest, Turbine has been able to get two huge franchises which they "ruined" in my opinion.



    Both Dungeons and Dragons, and now LOTR.



    How does a company, that produces non-blockbuster quality games, get their hands on these franchises? It just amazes me.



    They do not put a lot into the budget or the game, because they know the name will sell their product, not the actually quality of it. And it shows.



    The LOTR franchise and the D&D franchise should have been given to a group of developers that were willing to go beyond and take advantage of what each franchise offers.



    The first thing turbine did wrong is using that damn engine again. There are so many more talented developers and producers out there, its a shame they are not found at Turbine.
    While I think a lot of people agree with you on the wasted potential of DnD online, I think there is a lot less consensus that they dropped the ball with LOTRO.  I'm loving it, and the servers are packed with other people that seem to be loving it as well.  Even most of the people who don't like it seem to agree that it sucks less than everything else ;)
  • TedDansonTedDanson Member Posts: 513
    Originally posted by Salvatoris

    Originally posted by Rabenwolf

    While i disagree that turbined tried to make it more like WoW, I do agree that they did hurt the franchise.



    Lets be honest, Turbine has been able to get two huge franchises which they "ruined" in my opinion.



    Both Dungeons and Dragons, and now LOTR.



    How does a company, that produces non-blockbuster quality games, get their hands on these franchises? It just amazes me.



    They do not put a lot into the budget or the game, because they know the name will sell their product, not the actually quality of it. And it shows.



    The LOTR franchise and the D&D franchise should have been given to a group of developers that were willing to go beyond and take advantage of what each franchise offers.



    The first thing turbine did wrong is using that damn engine again. There are so many more talented developers and producers out there, its a shame they are not found at Turbine.
    While I think a lot of people agree with you on the wasted potential of DnD online, I think there is a lot less consensus that they dropped the ball with LOTRO.  I'm loving it, and the servers are packed with other people that seem to be loving it as well.  Even most of the people who don't like it seem to agree that it sucks less than everything else ;)This is true as well. I doubt any of the people who don't like it will even say it sucks, it's just not for everyone. It's a good game, and we can all see why some like it, but some of us like a bit more depth.
  • fiontarfiontar Member UncommonPosts: 3,682
    This game in no way degrades the LotR universe and IP.



    LotRO is not only the best MMO since WoW, by a good margin, it's also hard to imagine an MMO based on the LotR IP doing a better job than Turbine has.



    Amazing how so many people who almost certainly never played the game come out of the wood work to attack it once it goes live.



    I'm an extremely jaded MMO fan and a fan of LotR. I couldn't be happier with LotRO, which is a shock to me because my expectations were very low and I've been burned by so many other MMOs over the years to have become a certified cynic.



    It's wierd not to be disappointed by an MMO!

    Want to know more about GW2 and why there is so much buzz? Start here: Guild Wars 2 Mass Info for the Uninitiated
    image

  • alyndalealyndale Member UncommonPosts: 936
    Originally posted by Gullintani

    the LOTR franchise has been amazing. Great books (Tolkien is a genious), great movies, even the other games have been, for the most part, decent. So why did they feel it necessary to ruin this? You take WoW, add a new template, change the theme a bit, and you have LOTR online. I do, however, give credit to the research gone into the developement. Making your character names have to follow Tolkiens guidelines was a good attempt to create a solid roleplaying environment. However, for a game that seems to be aimed at the WoW community, this is completely uneeded. Sorry devs, the fellowship has been broken
    How can you disrespect an entire group of people for the game they chose to play.  What does it matter what game you played before LoTRo?

    All I want is the truth
    Just gimme some truth
    John Lennon

  • Mars505Mars505 Member Posts: 623
    We as fans will have to put up with troll posts because LotRO is a huge success for Turbine .

    who me ?

  • DataDayDataDay Member UncommonPosts: 1,538
    Originally posted by Salvatoris



    While I think a lot of people agree with you on the wasted potential of DnD online, I think there is a lot less consensus that they dropped the ball with LOTRO.  I'm loving it, and the servers are packed with other people that seem to be loving it as well.  Even most of the people who don't like it seem to agree that it sucks less than everything else ;)

    While its good someone can enjoy it, to be honest the game in my opinion is pretty bad, especially for being linked to LOTR which is known for block buster like quality. I would have to say the only good thing i found in the game after playing it for 15 days was the instanced "drama" or story scenes. Everything else from mobs to characters and their classes, were bad. From a game design perspective, its just like the rest of turbines products, half-assed. They made a game to sell off of its name not the actual game. Name before game is bad.



    But at least you are enjoying it.
  • rshandlonrshandlon Member Posts: 173
    I just had to come in and give a reply to these "15 day" testers and those who didn't even test. 



    LEAVE



    This has been the best experience in an online game for me in years, and I have been around since the early days of MUDs.  The graphics are amazing, you catch yourself just stopping and staring at the sky or the distant scenery around you.  The monsters, npcs, and everything I have seen are EXACTLY what I pictured would be from the books.  The performance is outstanding even on a midrange system and I have seen very little bugwise in the 3 months I tested. 



    To those who said DnD Online was a failure, it did exactly what it was supposed to do, but people apparently didn't want Dungeons & Dragons rules transferred to an online game, otherwise they would not have whined and whined about how it sucked.  You fail to understand that DnD Online took a literal translation of the ruleset and put it in an online game.  What you got was not a real MMO persay as it is an Online RPG.  The one fault I have with Turbine over DnD was the fact they caved in and added a type of pvp.  DnD is not and never has it been anything about pvp, its always been about pve and group pve.



    Now, as far as you saying the AC2 game engine sucks, lol.  People have been trying to buy their proprietary game engine since it was developed and yet they don't sell it, because look at it.  It is a powerhouse engine with scalability, future proof, and very customizable.  Look how long its been around, yet LOTROnline with it looks and runs like a king.  Now, it might not top WoW, only time will tell....but it will certainly teach everyone else what to do and who to look at when developing new games.  Turbine has always had a great reputation for putting good solid games out and that is why Tolkien Enterprises sold them the rights to make this game.  They were a small development house who made it big and even bought their original property (Asheron's Call) from Microsoft and now are a powerhouse for online gaming.



    I think it is so funny how people down a game and a company when they don't have a clue, yet try to act like they know the world and force it on everyone else.


  • DataDayDataDay Member UncommonPosts: 1,538
    Originally posted by rshandlon

    I just had to come in and give a reply to these "15 day" testers and those who didn't even test. 



    LEAVE



    This has been the best experience in an online game for me in years, and I have been around since the early days of MUDs.  The graphics are amazing, you catch yourself just stopping and staring at the sky or the distant scenery around you.  The monsters, npcs, and everything I have seen are EXACTLY what I pictured would be from the books.  The performance is outstanding even on a midrange system and I have seen very little bugwise in the 3 months I tested. 



    To those who said DnD Online was a failure, it did exactly what it was supposed to do, but people apparently didn't want Dungeons & Dragons rules transferred to an online game, otherwise they would not have whined and whined about how it sucked.  You fail to understand that DnD Online took a literal translation of the ruleset and put it in an online game.  What you got was not a real MMO persay as it is an Online RPG.  The one fault I have with Turbine over DnD was the fact they caved in and added a type of pvp.  DnD is not and never has it been anything about pvp, its always been about pve and group pve.



    Now, as far as you saying the AC2 game engine sucks, lol.  People have been trying to buy their proprietary game engine since it was developed and yet they don't sell it, because look at it.  It is a powerhouse engine with scalability, future proof, and very customizable.  Look how long its been around, yet LOTROnline with it looks and runs like a king.  Now, it might not top WoW, only time will tell....but it will certainly teach everyone else what to do and who to look at when developing new games.  Turbine has always had a great reputation for putting good solid games out and that is why Tolkien Enterprises sold them the rights to make this game.  They were a small development house who made it big and even bought their original property (Asheron's Call) from Microsoft and now are a powerhouse for online gaming.



    I think it is so funny how people down a game and a company when they don't have a clue, yet try to act like they know the world and force it on everyone else.



    =) you are entitled to YOUR opinion. That in no way makes it true however. Dont confuse quantity with quality however. All it takes is one good game to make an earthquake, not a lot of mediocre games with popular franchises. WoW for example, was blizzards first mmorpg. It shook the gaming industry because they were not happy with "mediocre". The real GOOD game developers will not want to get their hands on the AC engine, i hate to tell ya. Only the ones that want to save time by skipping the engine phase.



    Its a shame, because if vanguard was successful, it would have shown that the unreal engine makes a good mmorpg engine also.



    Anyways, you should take your own advice and.. leave. If you refuse to, then learn to deal with others opinions instead of telling them to get out. mmkay'?
  • TedDansonTedDanson Member Posts: 513
    Originally posted by Mars505

    We as fans will have to put up with troll posts because LotRO is a huge success for Turbine .
    So then by your logic Vanguard is a huge success for Sigil? I mean, just by sheer volume of troll posts compared to what you are crying about Vanguard must be like 600000 times better than LOTRO.......flawed logic FTW!
  • ayanelayanel Member Posts: 150
    Originally posted by Rabenwolf

    =) you are entitled to YOUR opinion. That in no way makes it true however. Dont confuse quantity with quality however.
    The flip side of that of course is that you're opinion is no more true than his.  The biggest test/proof is how many people are playing and enjoying the game and by that measure all indications are that LoTR is a very good game indeed.
  • SkollSkoll Member Posts: 442
    Originally posted by Rabenwolf

    Originally posted by rshandlon

    I just had to come in and give a reply to these "15 day" testers and those who didn't even test. 



    LEAVE



    This has been the best experience in an online game for me in years, and I have been around since the early days of MUDs.  The graphics are amazing, you catch yourself just stopping and staring at the sky or the distant scenery around you.  The monsters, npcs, and everything I have seen are EXACTLY what I pictured would be from the books.  The performance is outstanding even on a midrange system and I have seen very little bugwise in the 3 months I tested. 



    To those who said DnD Online was a failure, it did exactly what it was supposed to do, but people apparently didn't want Dungeons & Dragons rules transferred to an online game, otherwise they would not have whined and whined about how it sucked.  You fail to understand that DnD Online took a literal translation of the ruleset and put it in an online game.  What you got was not a real MMO persay as it is an Online RPG.  The one fault I have with Turbine over DnD was the fact they caved in and added a type of pvp.  DnD is not and never has it been anything about pvp, its always been about pve and group pve.



    Now, as far as you saying the AC2 game engine sucks, lol.  People have been trying to buy their proprietary game engine since it was developed and yet they don't sell it, because look at it.  It is a powerhouse engine with scalability, future proof, and very customizable.  Look how long its been around, yet LOTROnline with it looks and runs like a king.  Now, it might not top WoW, only time will tell....but it will certainly teach everyone else what to do and who to look at when developing new games.  Turbine has always had a great reputation for putting good solid games out and that is why Tolkien Enterprises sold them the rights to make this game.  They were a small development house who made it big and even bought their original property (Asheron's Call) from Microsoft and now are a powerhouse for online gaming.



    I think it is so funny how people down a game and a company when they don't have a clue, yet try to act like they know the world and force it on everyone else.



    =) you are entitled to YOUR opinion. That in no way makes it true however. Dont confuse quantity with quality however. All it takes is one good game to make an earthquake, not a lot of mediocre games with popular franchises. WoW for example, was blizzards first mmorpg. It shook the gaming industry because they were not happy with "mediocre". The real GOOD game developers will not want to get their hands on the AC engine, i hate to tell ya. Only the ones that want to save time by skipping the engine phase.



    Its a shame, because if vanguard was successful, it would have shown that the unreal engine makes a good mmorpg engine also.



    Anyways, you should take your own advice and.. leave. If you refuse to, then learn to deal with others opinions instead of telling them to get out. mmkay'?

    You forgot to mention that your opinion isnt true either





    Edit : Also, show me a game as good as this one thats free.



    Edit2 : DAMNIT AYANEL BEAT ME AT IT >_<
  • DataDayDataDay Member UncommonPosts: 1,538
    Originally posted by ayanel

    Originally posted by Rabenwolf

    =) you are entitled to YOUR opinion. That in no way makes it true however. Dont confuse quantity with quality however.
    The flip side of that of course is that you're opinion is no more true than his.  The biggest test/proof is how many people are playing and enjoying the game and by that measure all indications are that LoTR is a very good game indeed.

    exactly, and i dont deny that it is my opinion. at the end of that post there is "If you refuse to, then learn to deal with others opinions instead of telling them to get out".



    I think its foolish when someone tells you to leave because they dissagree with you, so its only fair for him to take his own advice.
  • ayanelayanel Member Posts: 150
    Originally posted by Skoll





    Edit2 : DAMNIT AYANEL BEAT ME AT IT >_<
    Quick and deadly... like a ninja!
  • jor8888jor8888 Member Posts: 378
    Originally posted by fiontar

    This game in no way degrades the LotR universe and IP.



    LotRO is not only the best MMO since WoW, by a good margin, it's also hard to imagine an MMO based on the LotR IP doing a better job than Turbine has.



    Amazing how so many people who almost certainly never played the game come out of the wood work to attack it once it goes live.



    I'm an extremely jaded MMO fan and a fan of LotR. I couldn't be happier with LotRO, which is a shock to me because my expectations were very low and I've been burned by so many other MMOs over the years to have become a certified cynic.



    It's wierd not to be disappointed by an MMO!

    I have no clue what u are talking about.  Take out LOTR story and u got nothing in this game period.  Classes are weak, same mobs every zone, worst UI ever, everything is copied from other online game but in less extend just so Turbine doesnt screw up another game.  Yes the game runs smooth but thats because there isnt much in the game right now.
  • rshandlonrshandlon Member Posts: 173
    Well, we apparently have some who, when it came time to buy a computer, went to Best Buy or some such store and bought one.  You have zero knowledge of coding and or developing something of the magnitude that is the AC engine, or of the popularity of the same engine.  You should check trade papers or tech journals sometime, because what this game engine does is right along the lines graphically what the Unreal Engine does.  But, guess what, the AC engine is not only a graphics engine its much more.  When someone licenses the Unreal Engine, they must also come up with some other engine or coding to supply alot of the other parts that it does not supply.



    Turbine apparently knows what they are doing, since they outdid everyone else and obtained 2 of the biggest licenses that were out on the market based on their game engine and thier reputation in the business world.  When coming to a public forum and trying to claim how bad someone or something has ruined something else, it might do you good to actually know about the people or companies you are putting down.





    And, yes this is my opinion and from the number of people buying, playing and ENJOYING the game, it would seem that my opinion is right on, whereas yours........................
  • DataDayDataDay Member UncommonPosts: 1,538
    Originally posted by Skoll



    You forgot to mention that your opinion isnt true either





    Edit : Also, show me a game as good as this one thats free.



    Edit2 : DAMNIT AYANEL BEAT ME AT IT >_<

    =) where did I deny my opinion? I clearly stated it as such. Since i stated that it WAS my opinion, people are welcome to agree or dissagree with it. Just as i am able to do the same.



    However when they tell you to leave, then they crossed the line of friendly forum behavior.



    =)



    As for the free game.. what does a FREE game have to do with LORTO? Which.. is NOT free. Same with D&D online, which mimics guild wars with instanced everything. I think D&D would be a great game if it was buy once and pay for upgrades but no monthly fee, but then again, they should have dropped the D&D name as well. At least is not Forgotten Realms or any other popular campeign setting.



    But yeah, what does Free have to do with it?
  • graillgraill Member Posts: 257
    Originally posted by Gullintani

    the LOTR franchise has been amazing. Great books (Tolkien is a genious), great movies, even the other games have been, for the most part, decent. So why did they feel it necessary to ruin this? You take WoW, add a new template, change the theme a bit, and you have LOTR online. I do, however, give credit to the research gone into the developement. Making your character names have to follow Tolkiens guidelines was a good attempt to create a solid roleplaying environment. However, for a game that seems to be aimed at the WoW community, this is completely uneeded. Sorry devs, the fellowship has been broken

     

    opinionated op, you need to form an opinion first, being opinionated with only 2 posts with no background for us to evaluate your ideals isnt worth anything. remember op opinions are good, opinionated is not.

     but.......thanks for your input to the mmo community.

    can you smell that?!!...............there is nothing quite like it.....................the smell of troll in the morning............i love that smell.

  • DataDayDataDay Member UncommonPosts: 1,538
    Originally posted by jor8888

    Originally posted by fiontar

    This game in no way degrades the LotR universe and IP.



    LotRO is not only the best MMO since WoW, by a good margin, it's also hard to imagine an MMO based on the LotR IP doing a better job than Turbine has.



    Amazing how so many people who almost certainly never played the game come out of the wood work to attack it once it goes live.



    I'm an extremely jaded MMO fan and a fan of LotR. I couldn't be happier with LotRO, which is a shock to me because my expectations were very low and I've been burned by so many other MMOs over the years to have become a certified cynic.



    It's wierd not to be disappointed by an MMO!

    I have no clue what u are talking about.  Take out LOTR story and u got nothing in this game period.  Classes are weak, same mobs every zone, worst UI ever, everything is copied from other online game but in less extend just so Turbine doesnt screw up another game.  Yes the game runs smooth but thats because there isnt much in the game right.

    Nicely said.
  • DicharekDicharek Member UncommonPosts: 177
    Is LOTRO a very good game? Yes it is a very good game.

    Does is it live up to the the books/movies? In my opinion, no.

    Could it have been a great deal more considering the concept? Definetly!



    Noone can deny that LOTRO will be a huge success for Turbine, nothing speaks against it.

    I personally would have liked to see this game to been released many years from now when mmorpgs changed with new, better ideas.

    Changed how? You may ask... Well, I don't know but even though the lore, the characters, the settings and the land is all LOTR, I certainly do not feel like a the saviour of middle-earth. Even from the start with literally hundreds of carbon copies of my own character (in class and skills) I don't feel like a potential hero, far from it, I'm just an another hard working Joe who falls in line with the rest of the troops, I'm a mere soldier.



    When working on something without specified lore like VG/EQ this works great, nobody says you must be the hero of whatever the land is called. It works in WoW too because it isn't a lore set in stone nor does is require heroes.

    But when it comes to something everybody knows so very well you must feel at least somewhat special, and this games fails to do that. I have never heard of another mmorpg that succeeds in this, yet. Therefor I say that this game could have been so much more... But who knows, when they can do this, probably many years from now, they'll make a LOTRO 2.
  • SkollSkoll Member Posts: 442
    Originally posted by Rabenwolf

    Originally posted by Skoll



    You forgot to mention that your opinion isnt true either





    Edit : Also, show me a game as good as this one thats free.



    Edit2 : DAMNIT AYANEL BEAT ME AT IT >_<

    =) where did I deny my opinion? I clearly stated it as such. Since i stated that it WAS my opinion, people are welcome to agree or dissagree with it. Just as i am able to do the same.



    However when they tell you to leave, then they crossed the line of friendly forum behavior.



    =)



    As for the free game.. what does a FREE game have to do with LORTO? Which.. is NOT free. Same with D&D online, which mimics guild wars with instanced everything. I think D&D would be a great game if it was buy once and pay for upgrades but no monthly fee, but then again, they should have dropped the D&D name as well. At least is not Forgotten Realms or any other popular campeign setting.



    But yeah, what does Free have to do with it? Where did i say you denied your opinion? >.>



    MMORPG.com says its free =P
Sign In or Register to comment.