Evolution or Creationism?

Cochize

This is for Draenor, saw him say it a few minutes ago and I want to see what people have to say.

My personal belief is that life was created but species evolved.

Enigma

I believe in Creationism.

I wont go into it any further. I SWEAR! LOL

Cochize

No go further PEER PRESSURE, piss us off! Come on!!!!

FoieGrantz

To me it doesn't really matter.  What needs to be looked at in this whole debate is the agendas that both sides have.

Evolutionists look at the world through the experiments they can perform and the results they observe, which helps them predict things about the world.

Creationists are bringing up this whole debate to push the bible into schools and spread their ideas.

I just don't think the Bible has a place there.

grenades69

Both theories can't explain the daddy longlegs.

Neanderthal

I have absolutely no doubt at all that evolution is a fact.  However, I don't absolutely reject the possibility that there might be a god as well.  The two don't have to be mutually exclusive.

jdong

Science constantly changes and theories are often proven wrong..But it's the same with religion, so I am indifferent until some one convinces me. I also believe  that religion should be just a life style in which you follow, like good morals do unto others, ect ect.

I think religion shouldn't be taken to a step where you have to have pure faith on nothing. thats like saying coke can give you cancer..yet a base it on nothing. I am not saying religion is wrong I encourage organized religion it gives people a more explainable reason to live and calm things down.

Nightshade44

I'm personally more concerned about how the US is becoming less and less of a democracy, and more and more fascist. New World Order, the whole bit. But to answer your question... creationism.

pyrofreak

Originally posted by jdong

 I am not saying religion is wrong I encourage organized religion it gives people a more explainable reason to live and calm things down.

Radical Islam calms things down.

noname12345

The funny thing is scientists...true scientists would LOVE LOVE LOVE to disprove evolution (with scientific method of course). If they disproved it they would be more famous than Einstein, Hawkings, and Darwin. They would be a symbol and an idol. They would make more money than God. Life would be good for them.

So why don't they? Because they can't. Creationists try to disprove science through Biblical Method. Scientific Method starts with a QUESTION and ends with a CONCLUSION. Biblical Method starts with a CONCLUSION and then they try to prove it through trying to disprove X. Of course science doesn't try to prove one thing by trying to disprove an entirely different thing, that would be silly.



X = evolution but you can apply it to whatever other crusades they have.

"Evolution is the cornerstone of modern biology"....wait who said that? Oh yeah President Bush's science advisor! lol



Mr. Marburger said in a telephone interview that "evolution is the cornerstone of modern biology" and "intelligent design is not a scientific concept." Mr. Marburger also said that Mr. Bush's remarks should be interpreted to mean that the president believes that intelligent design should be discussed as part of the "social context" in science classes. -http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/03/politics/03bush.html?ex=1280721600&en=8bbf73d2f5204260&ei=5088&partner=r

LordSlater

Evolution for me

Rover64dd

You haven't seen the family guy where stuff kinda just pops up? I think a faerie was even dancing around waving a wand and pop there would be a rabbit. Lawl you should read what scientology says about creation....oh goodness. Honestly though you wont ever know so its like arguing whats better, cake or pie. Theyre both equally delicious and have good and bad.

Gameloading

I believe a Divine creator created cells that evolved into new beings.





I win the internet.

Coldmeat

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Originally posted by Gameloading
I believe a Divine creator created cells that evolved into new beings.
I win the internet.

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I've always wondered why religious types were always so fervently against the idea of evolution. Did it never occur to them that their deity may have intended for evolution? I mean, it says god created man in his image. And no one seems to know where the hell god came from. Maybe he doesn't know either. We could just as easily be an experiment to see if perhaps we evolve into something like god at some point. Assuming we don't bone everything up by wiping ourselves out first. Or maybe that's part of the experiment as well.

For the record, I believe in evolution, though I have a more than sneaking suspicion that some geographic locations are evolving at a faster pace than others. Some places may very well be devolving.

noname12345

Originally posted by Gameloading

I believe a Divine creator created cells that evolved into new beings.





I win the internet.

And that's great. I believe a divine creator created the Big Bang, I just wouldn't go and push my beliefs into the public school system (i'm not saying you would, gameloading). Science goes through many many phases and tough scrutiny, peer review, debate...ect before it gets into the public school system. Creationism doesn't go through anything at all, it's been the same thing for many years and doesn't evolve such as science does and yet they get to skip everything and go straight to the school system. I don't really care if they want to have a cultural class where they talk about the different cultures and how people live and think....heck I WANT THAT in school, but not in SCIENCE unless it has gone through the scientific method.

Draenor

So what am I supposed to say? 

OMG IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN CREATIONISM YOU'RE STOOPID!!1ONEELEVEN!

If somebody has a specific question or issue with creationism, I'll address it..if not, yeah...you all know what I believe.

Rover64dd

It's a logical fallacy to say something is right because you can't prove it wrong.

Rover64dd

Well the argument of where we came from is really just an excersize in logical fallacies. Theres no proof either way. Evolution is a real thing, but that only shows how each organism has survived a niche. Beyond that...its just theory. http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/

noname12345

I hate when people say "it's just a theory". In science if you call something a theory you are greatly complementing it.



Scientific method simplified:



Observation: Every swan I've ever seen is white.
Hypothesis: All swans must be white.
Test: A random sampling of swans from each continent where swans are indigenous produces only white swans.
Publication: "My global research has indicated that swans are always white, wherever they are observed."
Verification: Every swan any other scientist has ever observed in any country has always been white.
Theory: All swans are white.

Draenor

Do we really need to talk about the precise definition of a theory in every thread about this subject?  Anybody who gets themselves involved in this debate, and is worth talking to, already knows what a theory is, in a scientific context.

Aelfinn

Search for just about any thread that has both me and Draenor with more than 5 posts apiece and you'll know



P.S. You're new around here aren't you?

Draenor

Originally posted by Aelfinn

Search for just about any thread that has both me and Draenor with more than 5 posts apiece and you'll know



P.S. You're new around here aren't you?

I've been elected Pope in at least one thread on these boards...Razorback...I believe it was you that elected me...make it happen.  I'm sick of this elite member tag, let no man stand in opposition to the papacy!!!

 

I'll be the first non-catholic pope!!

 

seriously though if you guys changed my tag from "elite member" to "pope" I would friggen flip!

Korusus

Originally posted by Coldmeat


 

Originally posted by Gameloading

I believe a Divine creator created cells that evolved into new beings.


I win the internet.

I've always wondered why religious types were always so fervently against the idea of evolution. Did it never occur to them that their deity may have intended for evolution? I mean, it says god created man in his image. And no one seems to know where the hell god came from. Maybe he doesn't know either. We could just as easily be an experiment to see if perhaps we evolve into something like god at some point. Assuming we don't bone everything up by wiping ourselves out first. Or maybe that's part of the experiment as well.

For the record, I believe in evolution, though I have a more than sneaking suspicion that some geographic locations are evolving at a faster pace than others. Some places may very well be devolving.

For someone who believes in a young earth (~ 6,000 years) based on the "John begat Jim" listed in the Torah, the theory of evolution can be quite the pickle.  Plus I think for many people the idea that humans, who are treated as special beings in religion, are related to the very animals we supposedly lord over disgusts them.  They especially become indignant at the notion that they may themselves be apes...



At least that's the way I see it.



For me, evolution is fundamental in biology and it makes sense to me so I have no desire or reason to disprove it.  Maybe someday someone will.  I personally don't care if there's a god or not, maybe someone should tell it about the internet...it's a much better medium of divine communication than 2,000 year old scrolls.

Unknown

The duck-billed platypus disproves both theories. Why would God create such a creature that serves no obvious function, except to be pointed at in the garden of Eden. Conversely, why would natural selection lead to a mammal with a bill and webbed feet that lays eggs? It doesn't make sense.

Korusus

Originally posted by Sawtooth

The duck-billed platypus disproves both theories. Why would God create such a creature that serves no obvious function, except to be pointed at in the garden of Eden. Conversely, why would natural selection lead to a mammal with a bill and webbed feet that lays eggs? It doesn't make sense.

Hey now...this little guy lays eggs too (the Australian Spiny Anteater). 

Originally posted by Nasica



the bill and the web feet help it eat its food, mainly shrimp and whatnot. they use it to disturb the small rocks on the bottom of the river beds. As for the egg laying mammal part. Evolution doesnt have to make sense, it just has to survive.



 

Yup, the only common link between mammals is the presence of mammary glands. 

Draenor

I don't know the genetic history of the Platypus so I can't really comment on its anscestors or how it has speciated over time...what I can say is that Nasica is right in that something doesn't necessarily have to make sense to US.  That was the problem with astronomy for centuries, people wanted to create a model of the Solar System that was asthetically pleasing, so they put the Earth in the center of everything...and then they put the sun in the center of the galaxy.  Look past your own preconcieved notions of what is functional or a good example of adaptation..odds are, that animal's DNA knows better than you what is good for the animal