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how bad is the grind?

BrognanBrognan Member Posts: 78
in lineage 2? is it horribly slow like in ragnarok online where it takes you a year to grind out the highest level toon? or is like like wow where in a month you can have a maxed out toon? or is it somewheres in between ragnarok and wow? are there lots of quests to do?



and would anyone have a trial key so i can try it out again? other than me having to pay for a useless file planet account
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  • OoInfiniteOoOoInfiniteOo Member Posts: 59
    Not to sure about the grind... however there is a free trial now without needing the fileplanet account it should be on the homepage here
  • isurusisurus Member Posts: 396
    Not to discourage you from playing but if you are worried about the grind then L2 probably will disappoint you.  It has one of if not the worst grinds in the whole MMO industry. 

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  • XstortionXstortion Member Posts: 55
    Originally posted by Brognan

    in lineage 2? is it horribly slow like in ragnarok online where it takes you a year to grind out the highest level toon? or is like like wow where in a month you can have a maxed out toon? or is it somewheres in between ragnarok and wow? are there lots of quests to do?



    and would anyone have a trial key so i can try it out again? other than me having to pay for a useless file planet account
    Trust me you don't wanna play this game, You will be camped 24 hours a day with drive-by griefing from 300+ chinese gold farmers, Well I am being sarcastic on the 300 but it is a lot. The graphics stink worse then nintendo. I would rather go to work then play this pos game lmao. Well there is my opinion so don't knock me.
  • KasperrKasperr Member Posts: 26

    can i knock you due to just how inaccurate you really are?  the graphics are bad?  you can knock the game for a lot of other things, but to say that its graphics are bad is really just not swift.  i don't know what type of system you run, but on any system L2 should look loads better than most other mmorpgs out there... wow and all the wow-look a likes...

     

    as for the game, you have to be involved int he community and in a clan to really fully enjoy the game, thats why i think the 14day trial isn't the best thing for NCSoft

  • XstortionXstortion Member Posts: 55
    Originally posted by Kasperr


    can i knock you due to just how inaccurate you really are?  the graphics are bad?  you can knock the game for a lot of other things, but to say that its graphics are bad is really just not swift.  i don't know what type of system you run, but on any system L2 should look loads better than most other mmorpgs out there... wow and all the wow-look a likes...
     
    as for the game, you have to be involved int he community and in a clan to really fully enjoy the game, thats why i think the 14day trial isn't the best thing for NCSoft
    I am a old Vet of L2. And I run a 3400  Athlon 4 gig ddr corsair memory, 8800 Nivida card, 22 inch flat / wide screen viewsonic monitor, and a 200 gig sataraid hardrive, So yeah you can't knock me, And yes the graphics suck. Loading has nothing to do with me talking about the graphics so stop turning it around. Its a boring endless chinese gold farming game nothing more.
  • OrionStarOrionStar Member Posts: 378
    Where the hell do you guys get that the graphics suck in L2??? I think the graphics are nice having everything on full myself the game looks incredible.  It must be your computers that suck because the graphics in this game are NOT teh suck.
  • gamemakerhgamemakerh Member Posts: 3
    actualy ir most realistic graphic i had ever seen.
  • GameloadingGameloading Member UncommonPosts: 14,182
    Originally posted by Brognan

    in lineage 2? is it horribly slow like in ragnarok online where it takes you a year to grind out the highest level toon? or is like like wow where in a month you can have a maxed out toon? or is it somewheres in between ragnarok and wow? are there lots of quests to do?



    and would anyone have a trial key so i can try it out again? other than me having to pay for a useless file planet account
    If it took you a year to get to level 99 in RO, then your doing something wrong.
  • JinxysJinxys Member UncommonPosts: 488
    I am guessing those people who said Lineage has bad graphics don't have very good computers or something, But I guess everyones opinion on what is good graphics varies. I personally think the game looks stunning at high detail.

    As far as the grind goes, yes I agree it is a hard grind and it doesn't get much more of a grind than this,  The best thing to do is find a good clan and get in well with them and get partied up. It sure makes the grind seem a little less when your with others or with friends =), It really does help having that support in the game.



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  • tirallumtirallum Member UncommonPosts: 205


    Originally posted by Xstortion

    Trust me you don't wanna play this game, You will be camped 24 hours a day with drive-by griefing from 300+ chinese gold farmers, Well I am being sarcastic on the 300 but it is a lot. The graphics stink worse then nintendo. I would rather go to work then play this pos game lmao. Well there is my opinion so don't knock me.

    Say anything bad about L2 and it will probably be true, but with the "graphics stink" lawl buy a pair of glasses.

    About the "chinese wars" thing, maybe you said it as a joke, but it's true there were PK wars between the normal players and the [chinese] farmer clans in most servers and for long periods of time. '300' version L2, where spartans are the normal players. Now NCsoft seems to ban the farmer clans, specially when they piss around the politic affairs and get a high profile, but there are some of these clans left. And I'm speaking about organized farmer clans that raid bosses, leave aside the parties of farmers without clan tag.

  • alyndalealyndale Member UncommonPosts: 936
    Grind for the first 20 levels is not too bad.  My personal record was to get a lil dorfie gurlie pooh up to 20 in less than 20 hours game play.



    But, once you get to level 50+ it literally "grinds" to a halt...  LOL 



    After level 60...jeesh..you better have TS or vent and some folks to chat with....



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  • BrenelaelBrenelael Member UncommonPosts: 3,821

    First off don't listen to Xstortion, He is a troll pure and simple. If you don't beleive me go and look at his post history. 95% of it is this game sucks or that game sucks or you suck and most of it includes extensive name calling and profanities. He's not worth your time. 

    As for L2 the graphics are almost as good as the games coming out now. The grind can get to be very slow in the higher levels. You can get to level 20 in a couple of days to a week depending on how much you play. level 40 can take you upwards to a month or 2 and level 60 will take you 6 months to a year to get. After 60 the grind slows to an absolute crawl where you will be only getting like .01% per mob EXP. Yes you read that right thats 1% OF 1%! 

    Lineage II is definately a hardcore game that requires a player to put a lot of time in to get to the higher levels and is not for the timid. If your looking for an easy game with instant gradification than L2 is not for you. If your looking for a game that is a more hardcore PvP type experience than give L2 a shot. 

    OK go ahead Xstortion.....flame me and call me some names so you can prove me right about you! 

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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,936
    Originally posted by Brenelael


    First off don't listen to Xstortion, He is a troll pure and simple. If you don't beleive me go and look at his post history. 95% of it is this game sucks or that game sucks or you suck and most of it includes extensive name calling and profanities. He's not worth your time. 
    As for L2 the graphics are almost as good as the games coming out now. The grind can get to be very slow in the higher levels. You can get to level 20 in a couple of days to a week depending on how much you play. level 40 can take you upwards to a month or 2 and level 60 will take you 6 months to a year to get. After 60 the grind slows to an absolute crawl where you will be only getting like .01% per mob EXP. Yes you read that right thats 1% OF 1%! 
    Lineage II is definately a hardcore game that requires a player to put a lot of time in to get to the higher levels and is not for the timid. If your looking for an easy game with instant gradification than L2 is not for you. If your looking for a game that is a more hardcore PvP type experience than give L2 a shot. 
    OK go ahead Xstortion.....flame me and call me some names so you can prove me right about you! 
    Bren



    That's about right with the xp. Though it was harder when I first started.

     

    Still, I spent a good part of the morning getting 2% so that I could hit 70% toward 77

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  • Chase05Chase05 Member Posts: 113
    It takes for ever I tell you

    But its worth tho, its a fun game to play and it has amazing graphics
  • XImpalerXXImpalerX Member UncommonPosts: 606
      Dont worry about the grind. I am lvl 52 B grade Swordsinger and my free 30 days isnt even up yet.

     

       This game is for skilled and dedicated players who like to stay involved in the games community and politics. After lvl 70 it takes a while to lvl up. if you dont like the combat of L2 or expect to solo through it then it wont be the game for you. 



      Make friends with som1 who has a High lvl Shillien Elder and go into the catacombs for your lvl and AoE and you will exp fast..you can solo up to 20 pretty quickly solo(shouldnt take you more than 2 days if you play 5-6 hours + a day



        Also all these care bears who whine about getting ganked in pvp are noobs of the highest lvl.  Who probably cry because there character lost 1% exp and its there own fault for not being in a clan that can help them seek revenge.

     

      Only down side to the game is if you ever hope of being super Uber elite on the server..other games will be out by them that will pull you away from it as its over 3 years old and the player base will move on..until L3 comes out :P



       Me personally am waiting for beta invite to Tabula Rasa and Warhammer Online(one if not both of these will be great)



     
  • tirallumtirallum Member UncommonPosts: 205


    Originally posted by XImpalerX
    Dont worry about the grind. I am lvl 52 B grade Swordsinger and my free 30 days isnt even up yet.

    This game is for skilled and dedicated players who like to stay involved in the games community and politics. After lvl 70 it takes a while to lvl up. if you dont like the combat of L2 or expect to solo through it then it wont be the game for you. Make friends with som1 who has a High lvl Shillien Elder and go into the catacombs for your lvl and AoE and you will exp fast..you can solo up to 20 pretty quickly solo(shouldnt take you more than 2 days if you play 5-6 hours + a day Also all these care bears who whine about getting ganked in pvp are noobs of the highest lvl. Who probably cry because there character lost 1% exp and its there own fault for not being in a clan that can help them seek revenge.

    Only down side to the game is if you ever hope of being super Uber elite on the server..other games will be out by them that will pull you away from it as its over 3 years old and the player base will move on..until L3 comes out :P Me personally am waiting for beta invite to Tabula Rasa and Warhammer Online(one if not both of these will be great)

    Do not consider yourself involved in any way with the PvP "community" until you reach 75+ with at least an A grade weapon and overenchanted jewells and set. Because otherwise you're just cannon fodder. At level 80, 1% xp means a whooole afternoon of grind, so don't say it doesn't matter. it annoys the hell out of the dead one. The carebear side of the game are the blessed scrolls of escape, and the blesseds scrolls of ress, which anyone can afford at those levels. Of course at your level it doesnt matter.

    Also, at your level 52 now you'll begin to notice a change (which is general for most classes). You cannot solo anymore. Well, you can but it's simply not worth it. You are a basicly a support char and you'll need a party. And you'll be welcome in any party of decent players because the swordsinger offers so many good buffs! So you'll absolutely need a clan.

    The problem of joining a clan so low level, on the other hand, is that all the high level enemies -if your clan is a pvp one and has wars on- see you as a big "SHOT ME" sign =) A free clan point, yeah.

    With all honesty, you should try to get 70+. Then you can consider joining an active clan. As a support char you could get into one clan even before. For example around level 65 you get song of vitality, which is very nice as it gives ++hp to the party. Or the +pdef around level 55 or the accuracy one. A few times i've taken a lvl 5x bladedancer into the party just because of the useful dances it has, whatever the party level is, as ++casting speed and crit, etc.

  • WSIMikeWSIMike Member Posts: 5,564
    Originally posted by Gameloading

    Originally posted by Brognan

    in lineage 2? is it horribly slow like in ragnarok online where it takes you a year to grind out the highest level toon? or is like like wow where in a month you can have a maxed out toon? or is it somewheres in between ragnarok and wow? are there lots of quests to do?



    and would anyone have a trial key so i can try it out again? other than me having to pay for a useless file planet account
    If it took you a year to get to level 99 in RO, then your doing something wrong.

    lol.... and that answers the OP's question... how, exactly? Oh wait... didn't realize it was you, Gameloading. Nevermind.



    That said, the grind in L2 is very long. It's fairly quick in the earlier levels, especially since they give you some nice items at the start (spirit/soul shots) which help the killing a bit. As you get higher in levels, however, it becomes very, very slow. This is undeniable; it is known as having one of the most intense grinds in a MMO to date - do some research for yourself and you'll find that to be the case. It's the nature of the style of game it is - the so-called Korean Grind type. If you're trying to avoid a serious grind, L2 is probably not for you. I played it for a while and even enjoyed it for a good portion of that time, but for me the grind just got  to be overwhelmingly repetitious and I got bored with it (among other reasons). But that's me.



     Now.. if you're into mowing down mobs extremely fast but not having a whole lot by way of quests (esp. relative to many other MMOs) you'll love L2. A BD in full haste gear, Dance of Fury and some Warcyer buffs being unleashed on some poor unsuspecting mobs can be incredibly satisfying (that I say from my own experience). If you can get into a good clan/alliance who will help you out and have your back when ever the inevitable lowbie gankers decide to come after you, you'll be fine.



    As for graphics, I happen to think L2 has some beautiful graphics. The style of the game is awesome and the environments, especially in areas added in later Chronicles, are stunning. I don't think it has the "best" graphics... but NCSoft certainly has some very talented artists working on it. Some of the screenshots I've seen of the new content for Interlude look awesome.



    In any case - there is a trial available and there's no better way to find out if a game is for you or not than play it for yourself.

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  • catafractcatafract Member Posts: 91
    Graphics rock in linage 2 but it has few quests and much gring for money ,leveling and crafting materials so if someone dont like it better not try it although pvp looks interesting and siege .
  • ThraliaThralia Member Posts: 219
    yeah just a few quests..lol



    http://lineage2.stratics.com/content/library/quests/index.php?view=lvl



    and this isnt full list.
  • SorrowhoSorrowho Member Posts: 581
    Originally posted by Thralia

    yeah just a few quests..lol



    http://lineage2.stratics.com/content/library/quests/index.php?view=lvl



    and this isnt full list.
    compared to wow it only has a few quets :P, not to mention that many are for ceartain race's only, and most off em suck's in reward, so only a very few is worth it
  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,936
    Originally posted by Sorrowho

    Originally posted by Thralia

    yeah just a few quests..lol



    http://lineage2.stratics.com/content/library/quests/index.php?view=lvl



    and this isnt full list.
    compared to wow it only has a few quets :P, not to mention that many are for ceartain race's only, and most off em suck's in reward, so only a very few is worth it



    In addition, to be truthful, though there are quests in l2 they are perfunctory. They are some of the worst quests that I've ever seen.

    So much running around for absolutely no reason only to find very little reward.

    An example of an L2 quest is to go and do "x" thing. you are promised a reward. However, you are not told what that reward is. So you go grind out the quest mobs, finally get the item. return it but the quest giver doesn't have the reward. He tells you to go to a completely other city in order to ask the person he loaned it to, to give it to you.

    So you go to the other city and the quest giver will either send you on another errand or he might give it to you. You then find that you are given some paltry items for miniscule amount of money.

    The larger quests are worse (class change, subclass) because you run around everwhere trying to get quest items only to come back to be sent out again for no reason other than to make you run around more.

    A person shouldn't play L2 for the quests in my opinion. If people like them then more power to you but they are atrocious.

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  • catafractcatafract Member Posts: 91
    Originally posted by Thralia

    yeah just a few quests..lol



    http://lineage2.stratics.com/content/library/quests/index.php?view=lvl



    and this isnt full list.
    comparing to wow l2 has a litle to show about quests but comparing to eq2 l2 has far far less quests also lore and reward are prety better .eq2 must have 3k or 4k and always more quests added .but l2 if we some can bare grind its good game in (graphics,character details and pvp).
  • RenithRenith Member Posts: 145
    Hmm the grind isnt that bad, but it can be very frustration to loose 4% when you 're 60+, which happens quite often. Patience + dedication is important for this game . Imo, you cannot compare this game with WoW, its a total different game..but you im 100% sure that you can't reach lvl 80 within a month   .
  • isurusisurus Member Posts: 396

    If you die and lose 4% "quite often" then you are doing something very wrong. 

    As for the grind. 

    The grind with enough adena to afford top gear, shots and potions = bad, but not too bad. 

    The grind without enough adena to afford these things = go play something else.

    That said, if there's anything that makes this game feel like work, it's the economy. 

    The sheer amount of time you spend financially supporting your main is painful to think about.  Expect to not only roll a Dwarf but to leave your computer on 24/7 365 days a year with a buy/sell/craft shop up while you are afk. 

    /edit

    Hell my main IS a Dwarf (Warsmith), i have 2 other Dwarfs for support (BH and another WS), i leave both of my accounts on all day and night with shops open, and it's still a struggle to make the adenas. 

    You start to understand why L2 has such a huge RMT/botting epidemic. 

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  • Jumper2kJumper2k Member UncommonPosts: 133

    Originally posted by alyndale

    Grind for the first 20 levels is not too bad.  My personal record was to get a lil dorfie gurlie pooh up to 20 in less than 20 hours game play.



    But, once you get to level 50+ it literally "grinds" to a halt...  LOL 



    After level 60...jeesh..you better have TS or vent and some folks to chat with....



    20  hours gameplay just to get to 20?! jeeeeez I can get to 20 on wow in like 4 hours probably 

    Man I can't imagine what the rest is like.

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