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Pre EA Mythic work didn't meet EA standards

Looks like most of the work Mythic threw together before EA got involved,didn't measure up to EA standards.It was pretty evident to me from the beginning that the graphics and animations on the first to pairings was cartoonish,and arcade like.Normally Mythic would have released the game and just updated the skins,later.But now being a wholly owned subsidiary,in the end EA has the final authority of if/when a product is released.





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  • ZorvanZorvan Member CommonPosts: 8,912
    Considering EA's track record with mmorpgs, don't hold your breath for WAR to last long, if it even comes out.
  • elvenangelelvenangel Member Posts: 2,205

    Lord how do you people just keep pulling this stuff out of your arses? If Games Workshop was unhappy with Mythic they could pull the game and they haven't.  Mythic's not known for non fantasy games it seems wholly right GW gave the rights to 40k to another company thats been doing the 40k games for years.    

    EA's not made drastic changes to Mythic or Mythic would of never allowed the sale.    The game is pushed back what 3 or 4 months maybe less and everyone is acting like impatient four year olds. 

     EA didn't ruin UO, Origins made alot of bad changes that hurt the game before EA even bought them (i've played off and on since launch so DO have an idea of what i'm talking about).   Considering the game still has active players and servers its obviously not destroyed its just lost old skool I hate anything that changes folks & pvp griefers.  A destroyed game would be Horizons. 

    Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!

  • JetrpgJetrpg Member UncommonPosts: 2,347
    Originally posted by Sickpup

    Looks like most of the work Mythic threw together before EA got involved,didn't measure up to EA standards.It was pretty evident to me from the beginning that the graphics and animations on the first to pairings was cartoonish,and arcade like.Normally Mythic would have released the game and just updated the skins,later.But now being a wholly owned subsidiary,in the end EA has the final authority of if/when a product is released.
    Biggest and one of the most moronic trolls ever.



    Mythic only release quiality games, if you knew anything about them you would know they scrapped (YES DROPPED) a game that they were developing on the side a while back. the REason ? It was not Mythic quality.



    The fact is is that Mythic would rather take a hit then release a game broken or crappy. EA on the other hand has no problems with release junky games , that or ruining them.



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  • StuntyCrushaStuntyCrusha Member UncommonPosts: 108
    Originally posted by Sickpup

    Looks like most of the work Mythic threw together before EA got involved,didn't measure up to EA standards.It was pretty evident to me from the beginning that the graphics and animations on the first to pairings was cartoonish,and arcade like.Normally Mythic would have released the game and just updated the skins,later.But now being a wholly owned subsidiary,in the end EA has the final authority of if/when a product is released.

    I was originally going to respond to this thread but decided it wasn't worth the time or effort.  Sickpup, you are simply wrong, and anyone who takes the time to read about the push back will see it.  I can only hope you won't be playing WAR when it comes out, or at least not on the same server...though it would give me a great deal of satisfaction to kill you if you were on the opposing faction.

  • DeathstinyDeathstiny Member Posts: 386

    People have really no clue. There is only ONE company in this whole deal that has "real" power and that is Games Workshop. Mythic said that they would have stuck to their fall release date based on the funding they had. However, now that they are with EA and have deeper pockets than ever before they will release when it is ready (like Blizzard - NOT like Sigil). That is the major difference between EA and Sony. But remember absolutely everything needs to be approved by Games Workshop. If whatever changes they are making has GW's blessing it is only good news for the players.

    Just look how often WoW had its launch delayed and look where they are now -  then look at what happened to Vanguard when Sony pushed it out the door.

    I want EAMythic to release when it's ready - not a minute sooner.

  • etlaretlar Member UncommonPosts: 863
    Originally posted by Zorvan

    Considering EA's track record with mmorpgs, don't hold your breath for WAR to last long, if it even comes out.
    Lol, I dunno what to say m8....."if it even comes out"? lol
  • Topic consider trolling due to lack of reliable source of information.

    Please do not attemp to trollling with false statement.

  • avenger4davenger4d Member Posts: 1
    Originally posted by mcharj11

    EA ruined two mmo's in Earth and Beyond and UO, Vigil owned by THQ are a fresh studio with fresh ideas.
    Fresh studio with fresh ideas? Was Sigil not a "fresh" studio with "fresh" ideas?



    Yeah, they were. Now look how their fresh studio and fresh ideas panned out.



    All being a new studio means is you have less experience as a whole and less chemistry as a team.



    Idiot.
  • ronan32ronan32 Member Posts: 1,418
    Originally posted by Zorvan

    Considering EA's track record with mmorpgs, don't hold your breath for WAR to last long, if it even comes out.
    considering mythics track record expect war to last long and be a huge success, your a troll, f*ck off back to lotro.
  • ColdmeatColdmeat Member UncommonPosts: 3,409


    Originally posted by avenger4d
    Was Sigil not a "fresh" studio with "fresh" ideas?

    No, actually, it was, by and large, the old EQ1 team, making a rehash of EQ1. So, old team, old idea.

  • boognish75boognish75 Member UncommonPosts: 1,540
    ever since earth and beyond i have lost all respect for ea games, i do not allow ea products to be bought in my home because they screw people over in mmo's worse than soe.

    playing eq2 and two worlds

  • ZorvanZorvan Member CommonPosts: 8,912
    Originally posted by ronan32

    Originally posted by Zorvan

    Considering EA's track record with mmorpgs, don't hold your breath for WAR to last long, if it even comes out.
    considering mythics track record expect war to last long and be a huge success, your a troll, f*ck off back to lotro.

    Mythics track record has nothing to do with it if EA is allowed to call the shots. As far as my post, I was replying to the OP and was on topic. Therefore, I am not a troll. As for your suggestion of what I should do, I have one for you: kiss my ass.
  • hundejahrehundejahre Member Posts: 339


    Originally posted by avenger4d
    Was Sigil not a "fresh" studio with "fresh" ideas? Yeah, they were.


    You just made me laugh so hard steaming hot coffee shot out my nose. They were anything but. Their ideas couldn't have been staler if Congress came up with them.

  • IchmenIchmen Member UncommonPosts: 1,228

    EA is the funding and publishing eng behind mystic not the head of the company.

    Gamesworkshop owns all rights to Warhammer. they killed WaR last time do to the costs it was running up. mystic has taken it to a new direction. let them finish it before bashing it god.

    just because EA is on the CD does not mean its EA owned or done it just means EA paid the money to publish it. not make it!

    mystic/GW have all the power when it comes to making WAR. EA is only the money behind it.  get the facts right before bashing a company...

    oh and WAR will be released like they have already said, there is none of that "if ever" crap. its getting done. and will be released when its done.

    im soo sick of the retards who bash War without even knowing anything about it. if its not wow fanboyz bashing it, its some other retard who thinks they are god and can have everything they want....

  • SickpupSickpup Member Posts: 382
    EA is not only the distributer and publisher.But also owns mythic.Just like GM owns Hummer.If push came to shove EA mythic ,is fully owned and accountable to EA.As far as GDW goe's there hanging by a thread,the longer theres no sales, the longer no royalties.Not even sure of  the make-up and whats left of GDW.It does seems there pretty much surviving on royalties.
  • ColdmeatColdmeat Member UncommonPosts: 3,409


    Originally posted by Sickpup
    EA is not only the distributer and publisher.But also owns mythic.Just like GM owns Hummer.If push came to shove EA mythic ,is fully owned and accountable to EA.As far as GDW goe's there hanging by a thread,the longer theres no sales, the longer no royalties.Not even sure of the make-up and whats left of GDW.It does seems there pretty much surviving on royalties.

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  • ColdmeatColdmeat Member UncommonPosts: 3,409

    In case all them thar numbers is confusing...

    Gross revenue was down by 2.3 million pounds at 54.8 million pounds.
    However, their profit remains unchanged at .5 million pounds.


    Most companies, when operating at a profit, are not considered to be "surviving on royalties".

  • AdythielAdythiel Member Posts: 726
    For those that don't know anything about world currencies, that 54.8 million pounds earned, that equates to over 109 million US Dollars or over 80 million Euros.



    That's not a small company by any means. Just the profit was listed at half a million pounds.

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  • ColdmeatColdmeat Member UncommonPosts: 3,409

    A profit of $995,696.98 to be precise. Though I guess you could just call it a mil.

    That thar's a trailer load of them thar royalties.

  • HuriaHuria Member Posts: 311

    Do you guys really think EA went into this without a very well thought out contract. I am guessing if Game Workshop pulls out  of this it would cost them a ton of money, same with EA. I bet if EA shuts if off early it would cost them a pretty penny.

  • SickpupSickpup Member Posts: 382
    being thats its an intellectual property company,one would imagine that it is collecting most of its revenues from royalties,or you could call them licenseing fees. they made a whopping one percent profit.even grocery stores pull 2-3% profit.in the us the goal is 8% profit.not sure what uk is.compared to a 16.7 billion dollar US company,  GDW its pretty puny.GDW cant really pull out,they have a legal agreement,plus they need revenue,not a court battle.If EA entered into such a ridiculus aquisition that they are beholdent entirely by a licencensee they wouldn't have got to be the largest game company in the world.They prolly spend hundreds of millions a year in lawers dealing with companie like gdw,and other entities.
  • bee52bee52 Member Posts: 158

    What I love is that a lot of you here profess of how you know in intimate detail the arrangements made between GW, Mythic and EA. You don't, so stop shit-stirring.

    It's quite possible that given EA's financial support, Mythic now have the funding to go back and soup up the areas designed prior to the EA/Mythic teamup. Could be as simple as that, but nooo lets start a conspiracy theory!

     

     

  • SickpupSickpup Member Posts: 382
    Originally posted by bee52


    What I love is that a lot of you here profess of how you know in intimate detail the arrangements made between GW, Mythic and EA. You don't, so stop shit-stirring.
    It's quite possible that given EA's financial support, Mythic now have the funding to go back and soup up the areas designed prior to the EA/Mythic teamup. Could be as simple as that, but nooo lets start a conspiracy theory!



     
     

    thats exatly what my post was about,and if I thought it was worth the time all EA transactions are public,since they are a publicly traded company.

     What im wondering is what resources did EA give to improve the graphics and animations so much,new worksations,servers,maybe some EA animators.Im not bashing EA ,rather the opposite.

  • bee52bee52 Member Posts: 158

    Heh. Read through most of the posts and ended up skipping to the end since it just seemed like a bash EA/GW/Mythic session.

  • AdythielAdythiel Member Posts: 726

    Originally posted by Sickpup

    being thats its an intellectual property company,one would imagine that it is collecting most of its revenues from royalties,or you could call them licenseing fees. they made a whopping one percent profit.even grocery stores pull 2-3% profit.in the us the goal is 8% profit.not sure what uk is.compared to a 16.7 billion dollar US company,  GDW its pretty puny.GDW cant really pull out,they have a legal agreement,plus they need revenue,not a court battle.If EA entered into such a ridiculus aquisition that they are beholdent entirely by a licencensee they wouldn't have got to be the largest game company in the world.They prolly spend hundreds of millions a year in lawers dealing with companie like gdw,and other entities.
    EA is a video game development/publishing company with a huge market share that reaches out to a widespread market on multiple consoles and pcs, and across multiple genres of games. Games Workshop is a table top strategy game company. They are a niche market with their prime product. 1 million in profits isn't bad for a niche market company.Groceries stores are wide market companies. It wasn't until very recently that Games Workshop started to branch off into other forms of entertainment based on their IP. Games Workshop owns Warhammer. They own everything related to it. Mythic has been licensed to develop an MMORPG around said IP. Mythic has to submit all artwork and aspects of WAR to Games Workshop for approval. This has been said by Mythic in multiple places. According to Sanya at Mythic, EA buying Mythic hasn't changed the structure of the company. EA now pays the Mythic salaries and they get to slap their logo on previously owned Mythic games. EA for the most part has left Mythic as is. Mythic is a successful Online game development company.

     

    As for Games Workshop not being able to pull out if they didn't like where Mythic was taking WAR, how do you explain.  the fact that Climax lost the license to develop it? Yes...Mythic isn't the first company to start development on a Warhammer Online MMO.

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