The only thing I would disagree with is the dislike for Brad McQuaid. His ideas may not be to everyone’s taste, but they do work. Despite the complaints and flaws, games that follow his “vision” tend to have the extra intangible that people always seem to complain is missing in today’s games.
He clearly took on more then he could handle with Vanguard, and was clearly outside his element at running Sigil but the fundamental concepts are sound and ideal for a sizable number of people. I don’t count myself among those people, but that’s another issue.
I should clarify. When I say "I've never thought much of him" I mostly mean proffesionaly.
I'm sure he's a decent man and has the best of intentions on a personal level but all I can judge him by is the work he's done, which as of late is suspect at best .
here is how the market works: Once a unstable/bug infested/resource sucking game always a unstable/bug infested/resource. enough said
Actually you are completely incorrect. EQ2 was a resource hog/buggy game on release and now is widely considered one of the best. When EQ2 first came out no rigs could run it at max settings.
It is very hard if not possible to create a positive first impression. In business, the word is the moment-of-truth in which a customer passes judgment on one's product/service. I believe that moment has passed.
If it has improved, SIGIL needs to incentivize those that canceled with a free month or free 15-day pass to try it out. Otherwise, why take your word for it and possibly lose ANOTHER $15.00? It is not worth the risk with all these competitors.
I hope the game continues to improve, though, if it is improving at all.
ive seen this before... bug filled incomplete game at launch? hummm
ah yes... STARWARS GALAXIES
better watch you you might get a
VANGUARD NGE where you have very few classes and talents just like WoW
I agree with this 100%. Why do you think SoE rushed them? I don't think it will be long before brad gives up on his game and sells it to SoE and they introduce a new NGE. Good times, im glad im not playing that game. I don't get stabbed in the back twice.
As for the OP, you really need to let the game die, supporting it just shows devs that people support unfinished products, which is wrong. Not to mention theres a plethora of stuff promised in beta thats not even near ingame.
"Do not fret! Your captain is about to enter Valhalla!" - General Beatrix of Alexandria
"The acquisition of knowledge is of use to the intellect, for nothing can be loved or hated without first being known." - Leo da Vinci
No online game is ever finished on release, especially MMORPGs. They require an online community to help mould the game into the finished article, this is why we have patches. MMOs to minimise this have open betas before launch to aid in this.
OK so Vanguard wasn't finished, but those of you who keep harping on about this fact seem to spend enough time on these forums to have known the fact. It wasn't a secret after all. However, playing Vanguard does not mean that I endorse unfinished products.
As I have said before the game has its problems, but it is improving all the time, will only get better and certainly deserves more credit than it seems to be getting. It seems to me that many who have never played the game go on hearsay and write posts that slate the game. There also appears to be so many "experts" in the field of MMORPGs putting there ore in on how Sigil have so called "messed up", or "made a disaster".
People talk of how Microsoft dumped the game because they knew it was going to be a flop, when infact they wanted a vista exculusive MMO. How selfish of Sigil to stick to their guns and release the game for all to try.
Finally, like with SWG, if Vanguard was called LOTR, you would put blinkers on at the mistakes within the game and post how wonderful the game is because of the name.
Personally I think the majority of the threads about Vangaurd are full of shit, and its boring me now. I mean i played Wow for 2 years and got bored. I dont go on a Wow thread and post how boring it is to me and the reasons why. Vanguard WILL in time pull a captive audience, it may never be No 1, but it will pull the everquest faithful and those looking for a little more than what LOTR and Wow have to offer.
Ive been playing this game since release and i know the issues that plagued the game at that time but since then and after about 30-40% of the games pop left they have had numerous patches that have improved the game since release about 50%, I feel this game upon release had to be bugged to hell seeing as the content in it is umatched by any other MMO atm, But its finally starting to lvl out, graphics are truly amazing, Comabt is great, PVP system still needs a bit of work but then again i think all mmos are always working on a better system for PVP, crafting system is excellent, Only downfall i find in this game and yet another thing that is being improved is the Solo player aspect whcih is very difficult atm. But all in all this game deserve more attention, especially from eq fans because this is basically EQ but 10x better. IMO this game blows away crap like LOTRO, WOW etc etc, those games are simple and geared for simple players really not muich to them. anyways i suggest people give this game a try it does have a lengthy learning curve but once you get used to it youll nderstand why its like that because the content and world are huge. peace
This time next year I think this game might be worth buying. I really do like the game and all but even I see all its flaws and there are many. Until they relax the exp grind and improve the soloability of the game experience I do not see this game drawing in many players. Lets be real here, the days of having to "live" a game to get anywhere are long gone. Players in general, especially MMORPG vets, are tired of the monotonous and tedious nature that seems to be some kind of blueprint that is used by such designers as Brad. They think we need huge time sinks and love bashing moles 24/7. I know I do not, in fact I said as much in my review for Vanguard and to many of these games require players to dedicate vast amounts of time doing just that - whacking moles.
Whom ever came up with this ideal is truly a mind masochist. Where is the fun in slaying 1,000+, poorly scripted, virtual MOBS to advance in a game? It is "unfun".
Until these games like Vanguard (massive time sink type games) get passed this poor design mechanic to MMORPG game play I suspect that we'll no doubt see more and more games like Vanguard that come and fail. I'm not saying a game should be made like WoW by any means but lets face it WoW designers hit on something and the players ate it up and continue to consider it the game that all other games are judged by.
Why can't Brad adn Co. just do the right thing and allow casual players to see some serious progression with their character development in the way of exp? I thought the game was intended to be fun and not work. Vanguard like Lineage II and other games of their ilk are dinosaurs and need to put to rest.
No online game is ever finished on release, especially MMORPGs. They require an online community to help mould the game into the finished article, this is why we have patches. MMOs to minimise this have open betas before launch to aid in this. OK so Vanguard wasn't finished, but those of you who keep harping on about this fact seem to spend enough time on these forums to have known the fact. It wasn't a secret after all. However, playing Vanguard does not mean that I endorse unfinished products. As I have said before the game has its problems, but it is improving all the time, will only get better and certainly deserves more credit than it seems to be getting. It seems to me that many who have never played the game go on hearsay and write posts that slate the game. There also appears to be so many "experts" in the field of MMORPGs putting there ore in on how Sigil have so called "messed up", or "made a disaster". People talk of how Microsoft dumped the game because they knew it was going to be a flop, when infact they wanted a vista exculusive MMO. How selfish of Sigil to stick to their guns and release the game for all to try. Finally, like with SWG, if Vanguard was called LOTR, you would put blinkers on at the mistakes within the game and post how wonderful the game is because of the name. Personally I think the majority of the threads about Vangaurd are full of shit, and its boring me now. I mean i played Wow for 2 years and got bored. I dont go on a Wow thread and post how boring it is to me and the reasons why. Vanguard WILL in time pull a captive audience, it may never be No 1, but it will pull the everquest faithful and those looking for a little more than what LOTR and Wow have to offer.
People like you that use the arguement, "we all knew the game was released unfinished" seem to neglect the fact that your average Joe/Jill gamer may see this game on the shelf of their local game store think it is done, buy it, and then discover only after they have loaded on their system that it is "incomplete" and in bad shape. Sigil and Sony failed to put a warning label on their product to let potential Joe/Jill gamers that the game was incomplete and was basically still in beta. Sure some of us did know and accept this, but only because we were given a heads up by Brad and such. How come he didn't see fit to put a warning label advising potential customers?
Yeah , I agree..I was one of them. I didn't know the game was still in beta. My point was all the die hard fans of this site who knew damn well it was still in Beta. Anyway, don't ask a stupid question.."why didn't they label the shelf product as unfinshed?" Do you really need that answering?
That would mean making 2 covers for shop retail copies (more cost that they did not have)
When would the new covers be put on the shelves...this week? last week?next month? next year? never?Who decides?
Why didn't they advertise PCGs 69% score while they were at it
Answer?....It would be a marketing disaster. Do MacDonalds advertise how much potato is in a french fry?
How many games have you bought off a shelf and taken it home and found it to be crap?
It's not like Sigil are forcing people to play.
Everyone gets a month free and if after that month they dont like it they may uninstall.
People act like they have been conned and this is simply not the case.
I think the game itself is a marvel. It came out way too soon, though.
This is the most true, objective post I have ever seen about Vanguard. Some people just aren't willing to put up with the second sentence, and I understand. Those of us that are, will know just how true the first sentence is. Those who won't put up with the second sentence will by and large never get to understand that the first sentence is so very true.
Vanguard like Lineage II and other games of their ilk are dinosaurs and need to put to rest.
Not everyone wants to play WoW though hun. I hate to bring up WoW but I am using it to represent the newer slew of MMO's: fast levelling, soloability to top level, easy to get into. I don't want to play those games, I want my MMO to be more complicated and difficult, even if the only difficulty is a longer levelling curve (and with Vanguard, that is definitely not the only difficulty).
When all MMO's become soloable and easy to please the mass market, that is when I will hang up my keyboard. There is still room for some diversity in the MMO market.
No online game is ever finished on release, especially MMORPGs. They require an online community to help mould the game into the finished article, this is why we have patches. MMOs to minimise this have open betas before launch to aid in this. OK so Vanguard wasn't finished, but those of you who keep harping on about this fact seem to spend enough time on these forums to have known the fact. It wasn't a secret after all. However, playing Vanguard does not mean that I endorse unfinished products. As I have said before the game has its problems, but it is improving all the time, will only get better and certainly deserves more credit than it seems to be getting. It seems to me that many who have never played the game go on hearsay and write posts that slate the game. There also appears to be so many "experts" in the field of MMORPGs putting there ore in on how Sigil have so called "messed up", or "made a disaster". People talk of how Microsoft dumped the game because they knew it was going to be a flop, when infact they wanted a vista exculusive MMO. How selfish of Sigil to stick to their guns and release the game for all to try. Finally, like with SWG, if Vanguard was called LOTR, you would put blinkers on at the mistakes within the game and post how wonderful the game is because of the name. Personally I think the majority of the threads about Vangaurd are full of shit, and its boring me now. I mean i played Wow for 2 years and got bored. I dont go on a Wow thread and post how boring it is to me and the reasons why. Vanguard WILL in time pull a captive audience, it may never be No 1, but it will pull the everquest faithful and those looking for a little more than what LOTR and Wow have to offer.
People like you that use the arguement, "we all knew the game was released unfinished" seem to neglect the fact that your average Joe/Jill gamer may see this game on the shelf of their local game store think it is done, buy it, and then discover only after they have loaded on their system that it is "incomplete" and in bad shape. Sigil and Sony failed to put a warning label on their product to let potential Joe/Jill gamers that the game was incomplete and was basically still in beta. Sure some of us did know and accept this, but only because we were given a heads up by Brad and such. How come he didn't see fit to put a warning label advising potential customers?
Anyone who doesn't know about buyer beware, should not be allowed to purchase anything.
I love Vahguard. I play Vanguard. Do I have performance issues? yes/ Have they got ebtter since release? yes. Is everything where it should be? NO.
The only Problem that I have with Vanguard is that I feel people have given up on it too quickly leaving alot of us casual players with noone to group with, especially at lower level. I love Vanguard, but im lonely.
Watch your thoughts; they become words. Watch your words; they become actions. Watch your actions; they become habits. Watch your habits; they become character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny. Lao-Tze
Vanguard like Lineage II and other games of their ilk are dinosaurs and need to put to rest.
Not everyone wants to play WoW though hun. I hate to bring up WoW but I am using it to represent the newer slew of MMO's: fast levelling, soloability to top level, easy to get into. I don't want to play those games, I want my MMO to be more complicated and difficult, even if the only difficulty is a longer levelling curve (and with Vanguard, that is definitely not the only difficulty).
When all MMO's become soloable and easy to please the mass market, that is when I will hang up my keyboard. There is still room for some diversity in the MMO market.
Why is it that leveling has to be the focus of the game at all? Is that the only game play these games must be about? What about politics? What about just being a part of the bigger picture? What if you could just play an assassin for hire in the game? You could be hired by a clan/guild or whatever and do their bidding? What about player made aspects of game play? How about being a tomb raider type character? What about a shady merchant or leader of a guild of merchants that tries to undermine their competition through cutthroat tactics? What about a guild/clan warrior that helps maintain peace and order in the territories controlled by your guild/clan? The possibilites are endless if the game made to allow for players to actually participate in the world around them. SWG was on the right track but the developers failed to follow through with their aspirations. They had a good start with player made cities, but it would have been better if they had allowed us to incorperate ourselves into the existing fabric of the cities that all ready existed. OMG it would have been awesoem to set up a player ran shop in a city like Mos Espa or Mos Eisley. It would have bee really awesome to see players have the potential to become a Waddo or a Jabba the Hutt type character within those existing cities. These games have to be steared away from being all about leveling and more about the world and how it evolves and where the players take it.
Vanguard like Lineage II and other games of their ilk are dinosaurs and need to put to rest.
Not everyone wants to play WoW though hun. I hate to bring up WoW but I am using it to represent the newer slew of MMO's: fast levelling, soloability to top level, easy to get into. I don't want to play those games, I want my MMO to be more complicated and difficult, even if the only difficulty is a longer levelling curve (and with Vanguard, that is definitely not the only difficulty).
When all MMO's become soloable and easy to please the mass market, that is when I will hang up my keyboard. There is still room for some diversity in the MMO market.
Why is it that leveling has to be the focus of the game at all? Is that the only game play these games must be about? What about politics? What about just being a part of the bigger picture? What if you could just play an assassin for hire in the game? You could be hired by a clan/guild or whatever and do their bidding? What about player made aspects of game play? How about being a tomb raider type character? What about a shady merchant or leader of a guild of merchants that tries to undermine their competition through cutthroat tactics? What about a guild/clan warrior that helps maintain peace and order in the territories controlled by your guild/clan? The possibilites are endless if the game made to allow for players to actually participate in the world around them. SWG was on the right track but the developers failed to follow through with their aspirations. They had a good start with player made cities, but it would have been better if they had allowed us to incorperate ourselves into the existing fabric of the cities that all ready existed. OMG it would have been awesoem to set up a player ran shop in a city like Mos Espa or Mos Eisley. It would have bee really awesome to see players have the potential to become a Waddo or a Jabba the Hutt type character within those existing cities. These games have to be steared away from being all about leveling and more about the world and how it evolves and where the players take it.
I really like how YOU think! I bought Vanguard then i got a refund which i used to buy the WOW expansion of which do to boredom i canceled that account a month after i resubscribed. Vanguard sucked out of the gates. Sure it had some innovative idea's but *sigh* bugged beyond recognition. I'm really sick of the basics behind grind and level MMO but ,in saying that it's mainly because levels mean nothing nowadays. They used to be earned but, not are given away so pretty much hard efforts go unrewarded. I used to like the fact that not everybody was NOT max or near MAX level. My level meant something. You had no chance vs me in PVP if i was 5 levels above you. That's kinda the idea behind levels but again in today's MMO levels are absolutely worthless because everybody wants and gets right now.
On the other hand i like your idea's about being more a part of the environment or society of the game serving a true or role purpose. As for player merchants that was nice an implemented in Shadow bane and Lineage II. That never made it into later games to my knowledge. The easy mode WOW Auction house was nice but too easy tbh. I want a new MMO that has meaningful leveling as well as meaningful purpose in the world. Crafted gear/items must always be far superior to drop gear. I said ALWAYS. If your gonna have crafting in a game it must always have the best possible gear otherwise crafting professions are worthless.
Levels to participate in and a player purpose within the world is a great concept
Yesterday i reinstated my subscription to Vanguard. I had canceled after originally purchasing the horrid piece of crap it is.
Anyway, since I initially canceled my account I have gone out and bought about $1000 worth of equippment for my pc. It now has:
2Gigs of ram
NVidia 8800 512k vcard
P4 3.2 HT
New AsRock motherboard
Audioblaster 5.1 scard.
I logged in last night (thinking my new system should be able to handle this game with ease) and ON THE LOWEST SETTING I GOT NOTHING BUT SLOW DOWN!!!!
I cannot even play the game to assess how good or bad it is. WTF?!?!?!? If you ask me SOE will NEVER get my money again. I was dumb enough to go back on my word on that after SWG. But never again. Sigil and SOE are FIRMLY placed on my F*** U list.
I still want my $65 back.
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I'm amazed it doean't work on a system like that boomer cos well, i ahve a system very simular. Maybe you need drivers or something. Make sure you have the new g80 drivers and have sp2. All the simple stuff. Does your new system work on any other new games?
NOTE: I only read the title of this thread. Yesterday i reinstated my subscription to Vanguard. I had canceled after originally purchasing the horrid piece of crap it is. Anyway, since I initially canceled my account I have gone out and bought about $1000 worth of equippment for my pc. It now has: 2Gigs of ram NVidia 8800 512k vcard P4 3.2 HT New AsRock motherboard Audioblaster 5.1 scard. I logged in last night (thinking my new system should be able to handle this game with ease) and ON THE LOWEST SETTING I GOT NOTHING BUT SLOW DOWN!!!! I cannot even play the game to assess how good or bad it is. WTF?!?!?!? If you ask me SOE will NEVER get my money again. I was dumb enough to go back on my word on that after SWG. But never again. Sigil and SOE are FIRMLY placed on my F*** U list. I still want my $65 back.
Exactly what I am trying to communicate to people in my posts.
The major problem with Vanguard is the performance.
90% of the player base (which include WoW player) are not able to play Vanguard decently to judge it, due to the bad performance.
The game engine has never been optimized resulting in the game client crashing in one machine and not crashing in another with almost identical specifications, and Sigil hasn't got a clue and worse is not doing nothing about.
The only thing are doing is to nerf Vanguard hoping more casual player will play it..........doh!
NOTE: I only read the title of this thread. Yesterday i reinstated my subscription to Vanguard. I had canceled after originally purchasing the horrid piece of crap it is. Anyway, since I initially canceled my account I have gone out and bought about $1000 worth of equippment for my pc. It now has: 2Gigs of ram NVidia 8800 512k vcard P4 3.2 HT New AsRock motherboard Audioblaster 5.1 scard. I logged in last night (thinking my new system should be able to handle this game with ease) and ON THE LOWEST SETTING I GOT NOTHING BUT SLOW DOWN!!!! I cannot even play the game to assess how good or bad it is. WTF?!?!?!? If you ask me SOE will NEVER get my money again. I was dumb enough to go back on my word on that after SWG. But never again. Sigil and SOE are FIRMLY placed on my F*** U list. I still want my $65 back.
personally I don't believe that your pc got nothing but slowdown on lowest settings. maybe you're still on dial up, or your pc is full of viruses and bugs of its own that conflict with the game software. Format your pc, reinstall windows, install nothing but Vanguard and latest drivers, run the game...if it still runs crap....THEN YOU'RE A LIER!!!!
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I'm sure he's a decent man and has the best of intentions on a personal level but all I can judge him by is the work he's done, which as of late is suspect at best
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It is very hard if not possible to create a positive first impression. In business, the word is the moment-of-truth in which a customer passes judgment on one's product/service. I believe that moment has passed.
If it has improved, SIGIL needs to incentivize those that canceled with a free month or free 15-day pass to try it out. Otherwise, why take your word for it and possibly lose ANOTHER $15.00? It is not worth the risk with all these competitors.
I hope the game continues to improve, though, if it is improving at all.
As for the OP, you really need to let the game die, supporting it just shows devs that people support unfinished products, which is wrong. Not to mention theres a plethora of stuff promised in beta thats not even near ingame.
"Do not fret! Your captain is about to enter Valhalla!" - General Beatrix of Alexandria
"The acquisition of knowledge is of use to the intellect, for nothing can be loved or hated without first being known." - Leo da Vinci
OK so Vanguard wasn't finished, but those of you who keep harping on about this fact seem to spend enough time on these forums to have known the fact. It wasn't a secret after all. However, playing Vanguard does not mean that I endorse unfinished products.
As I have said before the game has its problems, but it is improving all the time, will only get better and certainly deserves more credit than it seems to be getting. It seems to me that many who have never played the game go on hearsay and write posts that slate the game. There also appears to be so many "experts" in the field of MMORPGs putting there ore in on how Sigil have so called "messed up", or "made a disaster".
People talk of how Microsoft dumped the game because they knew it was going to be a flop, when infact they wanted a vista exculusive MMO. How selfish of Sigil to stick to their guns and release the game for all to try.
Finally, like with SWG, if Vanguard was called LOTR, you would put blinkers on at the mistakes within the game and post how wonderful the game is because of the name.
Personally I think the majority of the threads about Vangaurd are full of shit, and its boring me now. I mean i played Wow for 2 years and got bored. I dont go on a Wow thread and post how boring it is to me and the reasons why. Vanguard WILL in time pull a captive audience, it may never be No 1, but it will pull the everquest faithful and those looking for a little more than what LOTR and Wow have to offer.
This time next year I think this game might be worth buying. I really do like the game and all but even I see all its flaws and there are many. Until they relax the exp grind and improve the soloability of the game experience I do not see this game drawing in many players. Lets be real here, the days of having to "live" a game to get anywhere are long gone. Players in general, especially MMORPG vets, are tired of the monotonous and tedious nature that seems to be some kind of blueprint that is used by such designers as Brad. They think we need huge time sinks and love bashing moles 24/7. I know I do not, in fact I said as much in my review for Vanguard and to many of these games require players to dedicate vast amounts of time doing just that - whacking moles.
Whom ever came up with this ideal is truly a mind masochist. Where is the fun in slaying 1,000+, poorly scripted, virtual MOBS to advance in a game? It is "unfun".
Until these games like Vanguard (massive time sink type games) get passed this poor design mechanic to MMORPG game play I suspect that we'll no doubt see more and more games like Vanguard that come and fail. I'm not saying a game should be made like WoW by any means but lets face it WoW designers hit on something and the players ate it up and continue to consider it the game that all other games are judged by.
Why can't Brad adn Co. just do the right thing and allow casual players to see some serious progression with their character development in the way of exp? I thought the game was intended to be fun and not work. Vanguard like Lineage II and other games of their ilk are dinosaurs and need to put to rest.
Yeah , I agree..I was one of them. I didn't know the game was still in beta. My point was all the die hard fans of this site who knew damn well it was still in Beta. Anyway, don't ask a stupid question.."why didn't they label the shelf product as unfinshed?" Do you really need that answering?
Not everyone wants to play WoW though hun. I hate to bring up WoW but I am using it to represent the newer slew of MMO's: fast levelling, soloability to top level, easy to get into. I don't want to play those games, I want my MMO to be more complicated and difficult, even if the only difficulty is a longer levelling curve (and with Vanguard, that is definitely not the only difficulty).
When all MMO's become soloable and easy to please the mass market, that is when I will hang up my keyboard. There is still room for some diversity in the MMO market.
Anyone who doesn't know about buyer beware, should not be allowed to purchase anything.
I love Vahguard. I play Vanguard. Do I have performance issues? yes/ Have they got ebtter since release? yes. Is everything where it should be? NO.
The only Problem that I have with Vanguard is that I feel people have given up on it too quickly leaving alot of us casual players with noone to group with, especially at lower level. I love Vanguard, but im lonely.
Watch your thoughts; they become words.
Watch your words; they become actions.
Watch your actions; they become habits.
Watch your habits; they become character.
Watch your character; it becomes your destiny.
Lao-Tze
Not everyone wants to play WoW though hun. I hate to bring up WoW but I am using it to represent the newer slew of MMO's: fast levelling, soloability to top level, easy to get into. I don't want to play those games, I want my MMO to be more complicated and difficult, even if the only difficulty is a longer levelling curve (and with Vanguard, that is definitely not the only difficulty).
When all MMO's become soloable and easy to please the mass market, that is when I will hang up my keyboard. There is still room for some diversity in the MMO market.
Why is it that leveling has to be the focus of the game at all? Is that the only game play these games must be about? What about politics? What about just being a part of the bigger picture? What if you could just play an assassin for hire in the game? You could be hired by a clan/guild or whatever and do their bidding? What about player made aspects of game play? How about being a tomb raider type character? What about a shady merchant or leader of a guild of merchants that tries to undermine their competition through cutthroat tactics? What about a guild/clan warrior that helps maintain peace and order in the territories controlled by your guild/clan? The possibilites are endless if the game made to allow for players to actually participate in the world around them. SWG was on the right track but the developers failed to follow through with their aspirations. They had a good start with player made cities, but it would have been better if they had allowed us to incorperate ourselves into the existing fabric of the cities that all ready existed. OMG it would have been awesoem to set up a player ran shop in a city like Mos Espa or Mos Eisley. It would have bee really awesome to see players have the potential to become a Waddo or a Jabba the Hutt type character within those existing cities. These games have to be steared away from being all about leveling and more about the world and how it evolves and where the players take it.
Not everyone wants to play WoW though hun. I hate to bring up WoW but I am using it to represent the newer slew of MMO's: fast levelling, soloability to top level, easy to get into. I don't want to play those games, I want my MMO to be more complicated and difficult, even if the only difficulty is a longer levelling curve (and with Vanguard, that is definitely not the only difficulty).
When all MMO's become soloable and easy to please the mass market, that is when I will hang up my keyboard. There is still room for some diversity in the MMO market.
Why is it that leveling has to be the focus of the game at all? Is that the only game play these games must be about? What about politics? What about just being a part of the bigger picture? What if you could just play an assassin for hire in the game? You could be hired by a clan/guild or whatever and do their bidding? What about player made aspects of game play? How about being a tomb raider type character? What about a shady merchant or leader of a guild of merchants that tries to undermine their competition through cutthroat tactics? What about a guild/clan warrior that helps maintain peace and order in the territories controlled by your guild/clan? The possibilites are endless if the game made to allow for players to actually participate in the world around them. SWG was on the right track but the developers failed to follow through with their aspirations. They had a good start with player made cities, but it would have been better if they had allowed us to incorperate ourselves into the existing fabric of the cities that all ready existed. OMG it would have been awesoem to set up a player ran shop in a city like Mos Espa or Mos Eisley. It would have bee really awesome to see players have the potential to become a Waddo or a Jabba the Hutt type character within those existing cities. These games have to be steared away from being all about leveling and more about the world and how it evolves and where the players take it.
I really like how YOU think! I bought Vanguard then i got a refund which i used to buy the WOW expansion of which do to boredom i canceled that account a month after i resubscribed. Vanguard sucked out of the gates. Sure it had some innovative idea's but *sigh* bugged beyond recognition. I'm really sick of the basics behind grind and level MMO but ,in saying that it's mainly because levels mean nothing nowadays. They used to be earned but, not are given away so pretty much hard efforts go unrewarded. I used to like the fact that not everybody was NOT max or near MAX level. My level meant something. You had no chance vs me in PVP if i was 5 levels above you. That's kinda the idea behind levels but again in today's MMO levels are absolutely worthless because everybody wants and gets right now.
On the other hand i like your idea's about being more a part of the environment or society of the game serving a true or role purpose. As for player merchants that was nice an implemented in Shadow bane and Lineage II. That never made it into later games to my knowledge. The easy mode WOW Auction house was nice but too easy tbh. I want a new MMO that has meaningful leveling as well as meaningful purpose in the world. Crafted gear/items must always be far superior to drop gear. I said ALWAYS. If your gonna have crafting in a game it must always have the best possible gear otherwise crafting professions are worthless.
Levels to participate in and a player purpose within the world is a great concept
FFS!
I need a trail key so i can try this MMO.
Its the only way i can make up my mind. Since i love RP, Vanguard must be a good MMO. I wanna try it. But im to scared to buy it with all talk i hear
NOTE: I only read the title of this thread.
Yesterday i reinstated my subscription to Vanguard. I had canceled after originally purchasing the horrid piece of crap it is.
Anyway, since I initially canceled my account I have gone out and bought about $1000 worth of equippment for my pc. It now has:
2Gigs of ram
NVidia 8800 512k vcard
P4 3.2 HT
New AsRock motherboard
Audioblaster 5.1 scard.
I logged in last night (thinking my new system should be able to handle this game with ease) and ON THE LOWEST SETTING I GOT NOTHING BUT SLOW DOWN!!!!
I cannot even play the game to assess how good or bad it is. WTF?!?!?!? If you ask me SOE will NEVER get my money again. I was dumb enough to go back on my word on that after SWG. But never again. Sigil and SOE are FIRMLY placed on my F*** U list.
I still want my $65 back.
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I'm amazed it doean't work on a system like that boomer cos well, i ahve a system very simular. Maybe you need drivers or something. Make sure you have the new g80 drivers and have sp2. All the simple stuff. Does your new system work on any other new games?
Exactly what I am trying to communicate to people in my posts.
The major problem with Vanguard is the performance.
90% of the player base (which include WoW player) are not able to play Vanguard decently to judge it, due to the bad performance.
The game engine has never been optimized resulting in the game client crashing in one machine and not crashing in another with almost identical specifications, and Sigil hasn't got a clue and worse is not doing nothing about.
The only thing are doing is to nerf Vanguard hoping more casual player will play it..........doh!