A defense contracter getting into games isn't exactly new. Once a long time ago there was a japanese defense contractor that created military simulations for American troops in Japan. They decided to get into gaming and renamed themselves from Service Games to Sega.
This is true.
More recently, I have had first-hand experience with training simulators in the Marine Corps that were then later modified and released for the public commercially as games.
Check out this somewhat related article about EVE Online:
"The sci-fi virtual universe, which celebrated its fourth anniversary at the weekend, has attracted chief executives, city traders, MBAs and economists to learn hard financial lessons they can take into the real world."
Maybe Tax is a WoW player And he dont like the idea of player freedom. I spoke with a WoW player today. It was like mastrubating with a pair of scissors, fun in the beginning...then mostly pain.
He could not understand why anyone would have player freedom to do quest. Then i told him there isnt a quest MMO. Thats was impossible for him to understand. Then the conservation went out of hand.
Tax is a troll. Check out "her" profile. Special attention to join date, gender, age, and the fact that every single post that it has made is basically the same thing, all ragging on Darkfall with nearly the same text every time, in often unrelated threads. The first posts it used literally say, "Darkfall, your taxes are due!" or something like that. Looks like he/she/it created the account a couple weeks ago specifically to troll on Darkfall. If it really is 27, I feel sorry for it.
Didn't they say they were just a bunch of dudes who wanted to create an mmorpg they would like to play?
Lol, hopefully Darkfall doesn't turn out to be vaporware, but eh. O, by the way, if you're one of the rabid fanboys who sucks every little piece of info out of the cock you call the DF website and never questions Darkfall, that doesn't mean you deserve the game, it means you're a sheep .
Not to point out the obvious, but many many people in the military play MMORPG's. It makes sense that people in defence services companies would want to make entertainment products to sell to their customers as well as making everything else they can think of that their customers want to buy (even if they didn't know they wanted it).
Besides, it's quite possible that making an MMORPG is the computer-person version of soldiers going hunting - they know what they like, they have the skills, give them time and just don't get in their way!
Of course it's still vapourware until you can actually log in the month after it started, and the world did not end when you stepped beyond the newbie area. But all games are like that, some just take longer than others to condense, and of course some just sublimate when they get "NGE'd"
The Greek Government published a law on 30 of July 2002, the so-called "Greek Law Number 3037" which explicitly forbids electronic games with "electronic mechanisms and software" from public and private places. This includes all electronic games that run on home computers, on GameBoy-style portable consoles and on mobile phones.
<Mod edit> Of course, its not possible to create a company that manufactures forbidden material, so since that date, Software development in Greece is always stated as "Warfare simulation software develoment"
It might sound funny but its 100% true ( and 120% Greek )
Hope that helped.
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Edit: fixed a link
---------------- We don't need a king of MMOs, we need a group of Titans so that everyone can play what suits them best. -Ascension08
So, what you say is, that we were officially humiliated for banning gambling and/or porn companies out of public places?? I say that you watch way to much television. You should read a book instead and -maybe- you might understand how the game is played. Good riddens with all those junk companies, there are better things to do in Greece...
<blockquote><i>Originally posted by 0k21</i> <br><b>errr.... you sure you read the posts? They're saying that they've banned video games not porn and gambling companies....</b></blockquote> <br> I know very well what I am talking about. Obviously, you dont. In short, Greek authorities decided to originally ban gambling and porn video machines, but given the ingenuity of those almost illegal companies, they were masquerading them under other video games, and at a flip of a switch what was previosuly an innocent game of chess turns now in a 5 stud strip poker. So they took a large hammer and ban everything, and I say good riddens.
Sorry Ddev, but (as you are Greek yourself) please read the government's newspaper and tell me where it bans pornographic material.
Yes, gambling went banned because gambling is a GAME.
Yes, the law was intended to have force only against gambling, but it does ban all games ( as stated in Article 1), not those that give you a chance to win money ( which will be rather easy to do )
Other than that, i will translate the first paragraph of Article 3, that answers almost all of the questions.
"Article 2 is NOT enforced on companies that work as Internet providers ( aka Net cafes ). However the operation of ANY game on those computers, despite the kind and use of the game, is forbidden"
Thanks
---------------- We don't need a king of MMOs, we need a group of Titans so that everyone can play what suits them best. -Ascension08
The parliament's newspaper is NOT a place to post gossips or colourfull illustrations It's an instrument that contains all of the nation's procedures that YOU and ME have voted prior. In any case, for this particular law, they were after all those gambling/porn machine that were spreading like mashrooms here and there. As if Casinos weren't enough, people were atually losing fortunes for some stupid and addictive video game. And because these were under NO control Las Vegas seemed like paradise ...
Also found this interesting quote from one of the Developers.
[quote]Aventurine currently employs 24 developers in-house and six professional contractors. The staff is international from Norway, Greece, Italy, the UK, the US, Denmark, and France. Its activities, other than Darkfall, are research into game and simulation technologies. We've also advised war-game simulation military projects in the past through other companies in our group, activities that have given us some valuable perspectives to be used in game development. [/quote]
Ok it all makes sense now, Aventurine S.A is a Defense Contractor that's using their past experiance in game simulation technologies to make Darkfall.
Serious money in the defence industry. Must be nice with such backup.
As explained by Tasos, Aventurine was established explicitly for the development of Darkfall Online. Unlike the history with Razorwax, however, the answers to "why" and "how" and "who's got the money?" are left completely up to speculation. People are curious, and they want to know exactly what it is they're following.
Tasos once stated that the only reason Aventurine was formed was to build Darkfall.. Yet low and behold they work on defense projects too??.
None of which have ever been named or seen. Of course...
Kind of contradicting don't ya think.
Oh the company were only created to make Darkfall you say? How come Aventurine SA is one of the companies under the Exhibitor list 2006 then? Freetickets for the MMORPG creators?
I think they're a Defense contractor. It seems that way, they were listed as one of the Companies that attended the2006 exhibition in Athens Greece on Conventional Systems for National Defense on Land Sea and Air. Here's the website. [url]http://defendoryinternational.gr/home.htm[/url]
You "think" ? Its not secret, they have previously said they have the funding of Greece's Military and they have made programs for them....
Which is why I don't think they are really making a game at all. Its all just a front to cover for their true purpose, to develop a death ray which will let Greece take over the world.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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You "think" ? Its not secret, they have previously said they have the funding of Greece's Military and they have made programs for them....
Which is why I don't think they are really making a game at all. Its all just a front to cover for their true purpose, to develop a death ray which will let Greece take over the world.
You seem to be a very deep thinker :P
I bet they'll make their death ray before Darkfall sadly
Aventurine SA is there together with companies like Boeing and Bell. Sounds like big money to me.
Aventurine was at E3 2006 with companies like SONY , Microsoft , NCsoft.. who gives a shit if they were at the same expo show. It proves nothing.
If their attendance at this Expo show was anything like their attendance at E3 2006 then it was a laugh considering they showed up at E3 2006 without their product on display and stood in an empty booth with a Darkfall poster behind them.
Originally posted by Malduster
Its not secret, they have previously said they have the funding of Greece's Military and they have made programs for them....
No they have never said they have funding from any military.
Originally posted by Aragon100 Oh the company were only created to make Darkfall you say?
No I didn't say it. The producer Tasos did. Unfortunately even when it comes straight from the devs you don't want to believe it if it doesn't fit your agenda... hilarious.
As explained by Tasos, Aventurine was established explicitly for the development of Darkfall Online. Unlike the history with Razorwax, however, the answers to "why" and "how" and "who's got the money?" are left completely up to speculation. People are curious, and they want to know exactly what it is they're following.
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This is true.
More recently, I have had first-hand experience with training simulators in the Marine Corps that were then later modified and released for the public commercially as games.
Check out this somewhat related article about EVE Online:
Gamers hone hypercapitalist skills online
"The sci-fi virtual universe, which celebrated its fourth anniversary at the weekend, has attracted chief executives, city traders, MBAs and economists to learn hard financial lessons they can take into the real world."
Lol, hopefully Darkfall doesn't turn out to be vaporware, but eh. O, by the way, if you're one of the rabid fanboys who sucks every little piece of info out of the cock you call the DF website and never questions Darkfall, that doesn't mean you deserve the game, it means you're a sheep
Besides, it's quite possible that making an MMORPG is the computer-person version of soldiers going hunting - they know what they like, they have the skills, give them time and just don't get in their way!
Of course it's still vapourware until you can actually log in the month after it started, and the world did not end when you stepped beyond the newbie area. But all games are like that, some just take longer than others to condense, and of course some just sublimate when they get "NGE'd"
PART: SPECIAL NOTICES
OFFADD: Naval Air Warfare Center Training Systems Division, Code
257, 12350 Research Parkway, Orlando, Fl 32826-3224
SUBJECT: A-MARINE WARFARE TACTICS PC GAME
DESC: The Government intends to negotiate on a sole source basis
and award, to Atomic Games, Inc., 18201A Egret Bay Boulevard,
Houston, TX 77058, a contract to deliver a product that will
teach maneuver warfare tactics to the individual Marine Corps
leaders using a Personal Computer (PC). The product must include
capability for a Marine to play an Artificial Intelligence
or another Marine. A minimum of five different representative
terrain maps of about 1000 by 1500 meters is desired. Delivery
of this commercial item within 9 to 12 months of contract award
is required. This contract will be awarded per the authority
at 10 U.S.C. 2304(c)(1) and FAR 6.301-1, "Only One Responsible
Source and No other Supplies or Services Will Satisfy Agency
Requirements." Atomic Games, Inc. is the original manufacturer
of the Close Combat III - The Russian Front commercial game
and, as such, owns the unique proprietary technology that provides
a real-time performance in a realistic tactical combat environment.
Atomic Games, Inc. is the only known source that possesses
the unique qualifications to develop a tactical decision-making
game for the Government within the required time frame and
within the $220K available for this effort. A solicitation
will be issued on or about 20 December 1999 pursuant to FAR
Part 12. This procurement will result in a firm fixed price
contract. See Numbered Note 22. All responses to this synopsis
must be in writing. No telephonic responses will be accepted.
Inquiries may be accepted by fax at (407) 380-4164 Attention:
Michael Harris. A determination not to compete this proposed
action is solely within the discretion of the Government.
CITE: (W-287 SN391848)
http://cryptome.org/usmc-cc3.htm
Okie now the funny stuf:
The Greek Government published a law on 30 of July 2002, the so-called "Greek Law Number 3037" which explicitly forbids electronic games with "electronic mechanisms and software" from public and private places. This includes all electronic games that run on home computers, on GameBoy-style portable consoles and on mobile phones.
Official announcement ( in Greek ): users.forthnet.gr/the/geoanas/law.pdf
Random English article: news.com.com/2100-1040-956357.html
<Mod edit> Of course, its not possible to create a company that manufactures forbidden material, so since that date, Software development in Greece is always stated as "Warfare simulation software develoment"
It might sound funny but its 100% true ( and 120% Greek )
Hope that helped.
<Mod edit>
Edit: fixed a link
----------------
We don't need a king of MMOs, we need a group of Titans so that everyone can play what suits them best.
-Ascension08
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That is insane!
So, what you say is, that we were officially humiliated for banning gambling and/or porn companies out of public places?? I say that you watch way to much television. You should read a book instead and -maybe- you might understand how the game is played.
Good riddens with all those junk companies, there are better things to do in Greece...
Quoting people doesn't make you clever, in fact, it makes you all the more stupid for not bothering to read the quotes you post in the first place.
<blockquote><i>Originally posted by 0k21</i>
<br><b>errr.... you sure you read the posts? They're saying that they've banned video games not porn and gambling companies....</b></blockquote>
<br>
I know very well what I am talking about.
Obviously, you dont.
In short, Greek authorities decided to originally ban gambling and porn video machines, but given the ingenuity of those almost illegal companies, they were masquerading them under other video games, and at a flip of a switch what was previosuly an innocent game of chess turns now in a 5 stud strip poker. So they took a large hammer and ban everything, and I say good riddens.
Sorry Ddev, but (as you are Greek yourself) please read the government's newspaper and tell me where it bans pornographic material.
Yes, gambling went banned because gambling is a GAME.
Yes, the law was intended to have force only against gambling, but it does ban all games ( as stated in Article 1), not those that give you a chance to win money ( which will be rather easy to do )
Other than that, i will translate the first paragraph of Article 3, that answers almost all of the questions.
"Article 2 is NOT enforced on companies that work as Internet providers ( aka Net cafes ). However the operation of ANY game on those computers, despite the kind and use of the game, is forbidden"
Thanks
----------------
We don't need a king of MMOs, we need a group of Titans so that everyone can play what suits them best.
-Ascension08
It's an instrument that contains all of the nation's procedures that YOU and ME have voted prior.
In any case, for this particular law, they were after all those gambling/porn machine that were spreading like mashrooms here and there. As if Casinos weren't enough, people were atually losing fortunes for some stupid and addictive video game. And because these were under NO control Las Vegas seemed like paradise ...
Serious money in the defence industry. Must be nice with such backup.
Want to know something funny?Tasos once stated that the only reason Aventurine was formed was to build Darkfall.. Yet low and behold they work on defense projects too??.
None of which have ever been named or seen. Of course...
Kind of contradicting don't ya think.
quote it ?
64.233.169.104/search
Want to know something funny?Tasos once stated that the only reason Aventurine was formed was to build Darkfall.. Yet low and behold they work on defense projects too??.
None of which have ever been named or seen. Of course...
Kind of contradicting don't ya think.
Oh the company were only created to make Darkfall you say? How come Aventurine SA is one of the companies under the Exhibitor list 2006 then? Freetickets for the MMORPG creators?
http://defendoryinternational.gr/home.htm
Aventurine SA is there together with companies like Boeing and Bell. Sounds like big money to me.
You "think" ?
Its not secret, they have previously said they have the funding of Greece's Military and they have made programs for them....
Which is why I don't think they are really making a game at all. Its all just a front to cover for their true purpose, to develop a death ray which will let Greece take over the world.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Which is why I don't think they are really making a game at all. Its all just a front to cover for their true purpose, to develop a death ray which will let Greece take over the world.
You seem to be a very deep thinker :P
I bet they'll make their death ray before Darkfall sadly
Aventurine was at E3 2006 with companies like SONY , Microsoft , NCsoft.. who gives a shit if they were at the same expo show. It proves nothing.
If their attendance at this Expo show was anything like their attendance at E3 2006 then it was a laugh considering they showed up at E3 2006 without their product on display and stood in an empty booth with a Darkfall poster behind them.
No they have never said they have funding from any military.
No I didn't say it. The producer Tasos did. Unfortunately even when it comes straight from the devs you don't want to believe it if it doesn't fit your agenda... hilarious.
64.233.169.104/search
thanks ^.^ meh maybe they just decided to do defense stuff 2 you cant list your compamny as something like that unless it is legit