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DeivosDeivos Member EpicPosts: 3,692
When I first started playing DDO I liked the gameplay and such, but blew through it way too fast and became bored.

After it's release of the last few modules though, the game devs seem to have picked up the pace on updates and such (likely in part due to their work on LOTRO, which would aslo explain some of the expanded content they are making) and now are actually keeping a pretty good pace with it.

After coming back from my four month hiatus from DDO I was pretty suprised by this, but in a happy way.

Was wondering if anyone knew particularly why or how DDO had this sudden jump fom somewhat flat development to some pretty good stuff.

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  • DataDayDataDay Member UncommonPosts: 1,538

    You answered your own question. LOTRO sucked up a lot of their man power and time. They started putting a focus back on their other baby, DDO. With about 1% of the MMORPG market playing that game, they better try damn hard because with WAR and AoC coming out, its tough competition.

  • we3sterwe3ster Member Posts: 355

    With LOTRO and DDO sharing the same engine, Turbine have stated that there will be elements of both games crossing over to each other. A lot of the open spaces that have just recently come into DDO and the explorer quests etc came from LOTRO. Obviously LOTRO has benefitted from DDO being out longer in terms of the devs tweaking the engine etc.

    DDO has had a lot of monthly updates and it's great that Turbine operate like this as the game is constantly changing and refreshed.

    Yes, there have been a LOT of changes with a lot more to come!

     

    You must not leave until you free Arlos and have gathered your party safely in this hallway.

  • LeodiousLeodious Member UncommonPosts: 773

    Turbine has always been good about pooling it's resources together in this way, and it is a good thing. However, I hate the DDO engine. I hate it so much, and I hate that they used it for LOTRO. The engine is just so horrible to play in. And what's worse for me as that those are my two favourite IPs ever, and they both have great everything, because Turbine is in general a clever developer...but I just hate that engine so much. It makes me weep.

    "There are two great powers, and they've been fighting since time began. Every advance in human life, every scrap of knowledge and wisdom and decency we have has been torn by one side from the teeth of the other. Every little increase in human freedom has been fought over ferociously between those who want us to know more and be wiser and stronger, and those who want us to obey and be humble and submit."

    — John Parry, to his son Will; "The Subtle Knife," by Phillip Pullman

  • DataDayDataDay Member UncommonPosts: 1,538

    Originally posted by Leodious


    Turbine has always been good about pooling it's resources together in this way, and it is a good thing. However, I hate the DDO engine. I hate it so much, and I hate that they used it for LOTRO. The engine is just so horrible to play in. And what's worse for me as that those are my two favourite IPs ever, and they both have great everything, because Turbine is in general a clever developer...but I just hate that engine so much. It makes me weep.

    aka, turbine is being cheap. They are tying to keep the zombie alive by using the damn AC engine. TURBINE, drop the turbine 2.0,3.0, 2023213.0 engine and remake something that meets current gen standards. Your old AC engine is dead, let it be remembered in a possitive light rather than a negative light. Put it to rest.

     

    I agree with you, their engine just plain out sucks for this current day and age.

  • we3sterwe3ster Member Posts: 355
    Originally posted by Rabenwolf


     
    Originally posted by Leodious


    Turbine has always been good about pooling it's resources together in this way, and it is a good thing. However, I hate the DDO engine. I hate it so much, and I hate that they used it for LOTRO. The engine is just so horrible to play in. And what's worse for me as that those are my two favourite IPs ever, and they both have great everything, because Turbine is in general a clever developer...but I just hate that engine so much. It makes me weep.

    aka, turbine is being cheap. They are tying to keep the zombie alive by using the damn AC engine. TURBINE, drop the turbine 2.0,3.0, 2023213.0 engine and remake something that meets current gen standards. Your old AC engine is dead, let it be remembered in a possitive light rather than a negative light. Put it to rest.

     

    I agree with you, their engine just plain out sucks for this current day and age.

    What exactly don't you like about the engine?

    You must not leave until you free Arlos and have gathered your party safely in this hallway.

  • SevenwindSevenwind Member UncommonPosts: 2,188

    I love the engine. I think the graphics are fantastic. It is even better with high-res textures installed.

    Now that my PC is a little more better I can run these games very well. I use to stutter a lot sometimes in AC2 with high-res textures.

    I think the devs were slowly releasing new changes to the game to see if the subscribers would like it. Mod 4 was a huge success. There is a ton of raves on their forums about mod 4.

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  • LeodiousLeodious Member UncommonPosts: 773


    Originally posted by Sevenwind
    I love the engine. I think the graphics are fantastic. It is even better with high-res textures installed.

    Now that my PC is a little more better I can run these games very well. I use to stutter a lot sometimes in AC2 with high-res textures.

    I think the devs were slowly releasing new changes to the game to see if the subscribers would like it. Mod 4 was a huge success. There is a ton of raves on their forums about mod 4.


    Graphics and engine are not the same. The graphics for both games are pretty nice. The only thing I would say I don't like about the graphics is that beings moving around in the world seem disconnected from the world in a very strange way. I don't like that. I have the very-high-resolution texture thing, and I have a pretty high end computer, so I don't have performance issues (well, some very mild ostensible-world-lag when I get a ton of characters in the same place at the same time.) But I am not talking about the problems with graphics. I am talking about the engine running the game.

    However, my issues with the engine are many. The most annoying, although not the most constant, is the sound lag. I hate fighting something in silence, and I hate even worse that right after the fight I get all the sounds in just a few seconds, each playing right after the other, as fast as the sounds can play. Sometimes when moving you lag backwards like you had used blink wrong in WoW. And there is the constant if not acute interface lag, though this may be data leaking due to the being able to move panes around the screen. and the loading times are as long and annoying as ever they were. You don't have to do that much, but you should have to wait like you do.

    And don't forget that they couldn't even patch a corrupted installation; you had to reinstall the entire game. That's pretty annoying.

    Yes, the engine has problems. The core game concepts are great, too, which is worse, but ultimately, I fear this game because Turbine, while the game is pretty polished and looks fun, has done nothing new. When you get to the end, it will be the same old story. There are no sandbox features to keep things interesting at the endgame.

    This is me weeping.

    EDIT:

    I just realised something. "More better" is one of the worst grammatical mistakes you can make.

    Also, what happened in Mod 4?

    "There are two great powers, and they've been fighting since time began. Every advance in human life, every scrap of knowledge and wisdom and decency we have has been torn by one side from the teeth of the other. Every little increase in human freedom has been fought over ferociously between those who want us to know more and be wiser and stronger, and those who want us to obey and be humble and submit."

    — John Parry, to his son Will; "The Subtle Knife," by Phillip Pullman

  • SevenwindSevenwind Member UncommonPosts: 2,188

    Wow I never had any of those problems. I love the sound in the game I think it is top notch, in fact creepy at times in certain dungeons. I'm using a Creative X-Fi under Vista 64 and it runs real good.

    I did rubberband a little when I ran DDO under XP like you. Under Vista I run the game very well. Of course this is all new hardware and I never installed XP on it. I use to do it all the time in AC2. Towards the end of the game they seemed to have fixed it.

    I never had a corrupted installation either. Never even heard of this. Even in beta everything patched just fine and installed fine. Only problem I had in beta was the game did not like my ATI drivers to well. And that problem was fixed before release.

    Yeah my "more better" sneaks in every once in awhile, big deal. I'm not an english major and do not plan to. No one is perfect.

    Mod 4 has two new open areas, one for low levels and one for high levels. Also introduced three new dragons and raised the level limit for players to level 14. There are some other things in there. Next month is a mid-level range open area and Dragonmarks I believe.

    Sorry you ahd all those problems with the game. Runs fine over here.

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  • JarloJarlo Member Posts: 221

    I get the occasional monster that looks  like it is ice skating but that's about it for the engine.  I really enjoy the collision detection, height differences, dodging projectiles and such this engine allows.  And of course the blocking and tumbling and such.  I just installed the hi res a few days ago and.. wow nice difference.  So much sharper I gotta up my graphics rating a bit.  The studs on your armor gleam it is so nice lookin!

    Animations could use a bit "smoothing" and characters look a bit stiff.. which is pretty typical of turbine.

  • xcryonicxxcryonicx Member Posts: 82
    wow...if you guys think the newest rendition of the Turbine Engine is bad..you must have not played much of AC2. The engine for DDO and LOTRO is lightyears ahead of it and quite frankly Turbine's most sucessful engines. The rubberbanding in AC2 was horrendous...I have yet to see character placement bugs like that in DDO or LOTRO...Maybe I'm just more forgiving as I played quite a few months of AC2 and despite how good things looked in that game, it didn't run well at all. Now, Unreal Engine 2.5(you know, the one that's not quite next-gen Unreal 3, but cranked up enough to halfway run Vanguard?)...that's another story lol.
  • porgieporgie Member Posts: 1,516
    Originally posted by Leodious


     

    Originally posted by Sevenwind

    I love the engine. I think the graphics are fantastic. It is even better with high-res textures installed.
    Now that my PC is a little more better I can run these games very well. I use to stutter a lot sometimes in AC2 with high-res textures.
    I think the devs were slowly releasing new changes to the game to see if the subscribers would like it. Mod 4 was a huge success. There is a ton of raves on their forums about mod 4.

    Graphics and engine are not the same. The graphics for both games are pretty nice. The only thing I would say I don't like about the graphics is that beings moving around in the world seem disconnected from the world in a very strange way. I don't like that. I have the very-high-resolution texture thing, and I have a pretty high end computer, so I don't have performance issues (well, some very mild ostensible-world-lag when I get a ton of characters in the same place at the same time.) But I am not talking about the problems with graphics. I am talking about the engine running the game.

    However, my issues with the engine are many. The most annoying, although not the most constant, is the sound lag. I hate fighting something in silence, and I hate even worse that right after the fight I get all the sounds in just a few seconds, each playing right after the other, as fast as the sounds can play. Sometimes when moving you lag backwards like you had used blink wrong in WoW. And there is the constant if not acute interface lag, though this may be data leaking due to the being able to move panes around the screen. and the loading times are as long and annoying as ever they were. You don't have to do that much, but you should have to wait like you do.

    And don't forget that they couldn't even patch a corrupted installation; you had to reinstall the entire game. That's pretty annoying.

    Yes, the engine has problems. The core game concepts are great, too, which is worse, but ultimately, I fear this game because Turbine, while the game is pretty polished and looks fun, has done nothing new. When you get to the end, it will be the same old story. There are no sandbox features to keep things interesting at the endgame.

    This is me weeping.

    EDIT:

    I just realised something. "More better" is one of the worst grammatical mistakes you can make.

    Also, what happened in Mod 4?

    I've never had any of those problems you describe.  Are you sure it's not something else?  It runs really well on my computer.  And sound is one of my favorite aspects of a game, so I certainly would have noticed that happening.  I dunno, maybe if you contact their tech support they might be able to pin point it for you.  Those sound like something else going on.

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