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So... Predictions on NGE for Vanguard?
jonawiki
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So once SOE takes control of Vanguard... when will they implement an NGE of the game?
And what features will they eliminate or change?
Thought?
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Not saying thats not possible, but IMO SOE knows it needs to improve there image after the SWG debacle, so I wouldnt be surprised if they actually improve this game without butchering it like they did SWG...
Only time will tell tho...
There won't be one.
Get over it.
My friend, honestly and seriously, this has been posted (repeatedly).
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas
The first sentence may be somewhat trollish, and his previous posts notwithstanding, he does raise a pertinent question.
What will SOE do with the game, if/when they finalize the acquisition of the game?
Will they leave the dev team intact, or bring in a whole new team to clean up? Or a mix of both?
Will they be willing to invest more money into a game that may or may not see a return on that investment due to the poor launch, and poor overall public opinion(within the MMO community, anyway)?
Will they follow the current path of the game, or will they make a drastic change in direction, a la EQ2, or the NGE?
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Fixed that for you.
Didn't need to be fixed pretty much what i'm hoping for
I don't think the situations of pre-NGE SWG and VG are similar enough to make an NGE-type change likely. There does not seem to be a big reason to change the basic structure of the game. If the management believe there is a need to dumb the game down to make it more "accessible", it can be accomplished with fairly small tweaks, and does not require an overhaul. Less crashing is, IMO, the most helpful immediate need, followed closely by non-catastrophic bug fixes. The next category of things in importance after that is putting in the basic features that were promised but are not yet delivered.
The SWG NGE was driven by a perceived need to pursue a particular demographic market that was thought to be the best market for the pre-existing IP. VG doesn't have a pre-existing IP, or anything outstandingly unique to distinguish its IP from generic fantasy. It has to succeed on the basis of its own goodness of play experience, with no crutch in the form of a pre-existing IP to make up for whatever real or imagined suck factor it possesses.
hell i hope SOE takes over, even if they are aiming for money, im sure they have the people to make it better...Brad's so called "vision" is a dream that didnt come true, he built it for a while and then forgot what the rest should be...
jsut remember a vision is a dream, you either wake up and forget it or you wake up remember parts of it and the rest is gone...its been over, he doesnt know what hes doing now...
Let us assume for a moment that they do not intend to do a NGE/Combat revamp. How do you think they will attract people to give it a try or a second chance? For vanguard to have the slightest chance they need to generate something to peek peoples interest.
The other likelihood is they try out some new form of cash for play/items system. That might lend some explanation of them hiring the guy from IGE.
Thoughts?
One could also make the argument that they did a slow motion "revamp" of EQ once it was in their hands, for good or ill.
Usually coinciding with the release of a new competitor...
I.E. Removal of the hell levels that we were told time and again it was impossible to remove due to the math involved in the level calculations, and so forth.
I can't see them doing anything as drastic as the NGE. NGE dumbed down the game quite a bit which has already happened in Vanguard. I forget the exact timeline Sigil quoted but I think they expected players to level 1-40 in a couple of months then 40-50 would take another couple of months. They changed that so much that many players made it lvl 1-50 in less than 2 months. I just can't see how making the game any easier would draw new customers.
I hope they dont try to pull an NGE style change and focus more on adding a raid interface, raid content, fixing bugs and finish populating the rest of the dungeons.
Really, my mom educated me to be civilized and I beg her pardon for saying that but SHUT THE FUCK UP.
Now I feel better.
There is really a difference between valid criticsm in existing problems and DOOMSAYING. Focus on talking about real and existing issues, not predict the worlds end on what might happen. This is as valid as tea leaf reading or predicting from sheep intrails!
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Really, my mom educated me to be civilized and I beg her pardon for saying that but SHUT THE FUCK UP.
Now I feel better.
There is really a difference between valid criticsm in existing problems and DOOMSAYING. Focus on talking about real and existing issues, not predict the worlds end on what might happen. This is as valid as tea leaf reading or predicting from sheep intrails!
Hey, these forums need something to talk about and if Brad and SOE can't make up their mind how they want to spin this, then we are faced with speculation and guessing.Well IMO at least SOE had a pretty good game before they went with the NGE. Most games out there go to the NGE directly, completely missing a good game .
Well... this game already is E-Z mode. I consider it already NGE-ified, what more can they do to dumb it down?. Easy to level, no corpse runs, instant teleports, nothing but a long boring easy grind with no raids to give an incentive for the grinding.
Even if the game had been released the way it was hyped up, being a truly difficult group based MMO, ala old Everquest, it still wouldnt have the best part of what Everquest was... yes, END GAME RAIDING.
So please.. explain to me what made it so "difficult."
Maybe I should have said Old Everquest. I quit about the time planes of power came out. I played a warrior, a really well dressed warrior for the time, and I could solo a light blue monster, if I was lucky. It took me about a year to get to 60. I had to have a group to do about anything in that game. Then there is the corpse runs from hell, major exp loss if you didn't have a good cleric buddy, the monsters chased you forever... till you zoned. There are alot of things that made that game more difficult than the current MMOs such as WoW EQ2 Vanguard LOTR, I don't think its much of a debate.
I don't understand how you would say everquest wasn't more difficult than any of the newer games that are coming out. Of course maybe they have made EQ super easy too since I last played... I dunno. But the old school EQ was very difficult relative to the EZ mode games out now IMO, especially for a melee class.
There's not one MMO that's "difficult". WoW has 10 year olds raiding, and so does EQ.
But EQ's combat system, and specific classes, figuring out the GoD expansion and the latest TSS and TBS raids and scripts are pretty hard compared to what most MMO's offer.
Vanguard is hardcore in it's tediousness, EQ is hardcore because you actually have to use some intelligence on the TSS and TBS raids.
VG has no raids, it's button mashing up till lvl 50.