not just our "retarded" ancestors but we as well WWII not only the nazis but the allies as well or those who were qonquered by the nazis for example. I believe there are still people alive who have been through WWII. It wasn't so long ago that our ancestors did the same thing probably just 300-200 years ago.
(in red originally posted by castlegoob)
And it's there way? would it be beyond objection if a religion endorsed child sacrifice sprouted in south america because the aztects did it? You would be against any objection to this?
I am very perplexed by this reasoning. Since you brought the nazi's up. By your own logic we should have accepted them...well it's there way?
Nothing done by my ancestors or not done has any relevance to me now. I am me, not my ancestors.
I see a murder of a child by nine murderers. No religion historical act or policically correct arguement is going to paint for me another picture of this act..
You are you? ha such a simple minded idea. You aren't you, you are created by society with the ideas of society. You aren't you, you are the one the society tells you to bethrough education and rules. the only reason we think Communisme and nazis are bad is because we were thought that way by those who won WWII and the cold war. Society created you. if the nazis won the war you would be one, if communist spreaded to the rest of the world you would be a communist. You my foolish friend are somebody that the world wants you to be.
+ If we disregard the past don't you think we would make the same mistake again?
God commanded stoning for violations of The Ten Commandments, any of them:
"And The Lord said to Moses ... He who blasphemes the Name of The Lord shall be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him; the sojourner as well as the native, when he blasphemes the Name, shall be put to death." (Leviticus 24:13,16 RSV) "If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son, or your daughter, or the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, entices you secretly, saying, 'Let us go and serve other gods ... You shall stone him to death with stones, because he sought to draw you away from The Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage." (Deuteronomy 13:6,10 RSV) "While the people of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day ... And The Lord said to Moses, "The man shall be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp." (Numbers 15:32,35 RSV)
Anyone remember what the Gospels report that Jesus said about stoning?Oh, so the Lord does change his mind.
Unless you're a Jew, I guess.
Heh, no, he doesn't. I wish you would be more willing to actually go out and learn something about the new and old testaments, instead of just spouting off your ignorance...but since you obviously don't really care, I'm not going to bother.
and no, these people were not Muslims, but their religion holds islamic beliefs...and if they WERE Muslim, the result would have been the same, it happens all the time, inter faith marriages are not permitted under Islamic law.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
It is from these numbers that we estimated what is occurring nationwide. It is widely accepted that 9.6 million animals are euthanized annually in the United States. http://www.americanhumane.org/site/PageServer?pagename=nr_fact_sheets_animal_euthanasia I am more outraged about this, something that can easily be stopped by passing laws strictly limiting the breeding of dogs and cats in the US.
You cant even compare a girl being repeatedly hit with stones for a full 30 minutes untill she finally dies of blunt trama terrifed and betrayed by her own family to an animal humanly put to sleep. You my friend should go ahead and move there. maybe the world will get lucky and you will get a taste of what she felt.
In the us, blacks were castrated then lynched for whistling at a white woman;
In india there are some so "untouchable" that "high-born" cannot even step on the same dirt;
The brits considered chinese so inferior the brits wanted to keep the nation adicted to opium they intended to sell;
palestineans are so dedicated to removing all jews from the land they stay in abject poverty and homicide bomb themselves as long as they deprive or destroy jews;
us natives not being human beings nor having souls, it is justified to lie and cheat with EVERY treaty as long as those savages were either killed or run off the land, so good white men could profit selling those resources to other white men;
us blacks and women are so inferior they would have no idea how to vote and could just be bought-off or mislead, only property owning free white men should have the vote;
sheite are so fanatical worshiping graves and descendents as their political leaders, they are best killed so their adherance to Qu'ran will not enlighten other moslem;
women should be beat with a stick no thicker than one's thumb to encourage them to obedience and covered head to foot in black cloth to their 'beauty' will not enflame men to carnal thoughts;
millions of fetus are mutilated to death each year based souly on the whim of the host woman not wanting to deal with the pregnacy or unable to scam some/any man to support her & the kid;
so, op, is your degredation toward iraq have some political motive, casting "them" as savage, while you ignore the much greater offence the rest of the world has done toward 'classes' they deem lesser? Do you hold an entire nation accountable for the actions of a few?
not just our "retarded" ancestors but we as well WWII not only the nazis but the allies as well or those who were qonquered by the nazis for example. I believe there are still people alive who have been through WWII. It wasn't so long ago that our ancestors did the same thing probably just 300-200 years ago.
(in red originally posted by castlegoob)
And it's there way? would it be beyond objection if a religion endorsed child sacrifice sprouted in south america because the aztects did it? You would be against any objection to this?
I am very perplexed by this reasoning. Since you brought the nazi's up. By your own logic we should have accepted them...well it's there way?
Nothing done by my ancestors or not done has any relevance to me now. I am me, not my ancestors.
I see a murder of a child by nine murderers. No religion historical act or policically correct arguement is going to paint for me another picture of this act..
You are you? ha such a simple minded idea. You aren't you, you are created by society with the ideas of society. You aren't you, you are the one the society tells you to bethrough education and rules. the only reason we think Communisme and nazis are bad is because we were thought that way by those who won WWII and the cold war. Society created you. if the nazis won the war you would be one, if communist spreaded to the rest of the world you would be a communist. You my foolish friend are somebody that the world wants you to be.
+ If we disregard the past don't you think we would make the same mistake again?
You think my society makes my stomach turm when I watch that video. You think I object simply because my society tells me to object.
I'm sorry but my society has done some pretty sh*tty things that I object to so I guess they did'nt make me very good did they.
Sorry but Im not some minless borg drone chirping out what some politician tells me whats wright and wrong.
You don't have to disregard what the past has shown us but there is no connection to me as I was not in existance during ww2.
But I am most definatly me the last time I checked.
It is from these numbers that we estimated what is occurring nationwide. It is widely accepted that 9.6 million animals are euthanized annually in the United States. http://www.americanhumane.org/site/PageServer?pagename=nr_fact_sheets_animal_euthanasia I am more outraged about this, something that can easily be stopped by passing laws strictly limiting the breeding of dogs and cats in the US.
You cant even compare a girl being repeatedly hit with stones for a full 30 minutes untill she finally dies of blunt trama terrifed and betrayed by her own family to an animal humanly put to sleep. You my friend should go ahead and move there. maybe the world will get lucky and you will get a taste of what she felt.
True, but what gives us the right to kill these animals? because we are stronger? because these animals gives us problems?
I hate people. Now, you see, this would not have been a problem if everyone was an agnostic, but problems do lie in non-conflicting beliefs also...
Sometimes I couldn't give a rats ass if we turned that entire place into glass... but then my conscience gets to me - there are people there that are just as human as the rest of us, that 17 yo girl for instance.
On a separate note: Welcome back Kimmar, we needed some more oestragen around this place.
This sort of act illustrates that not all societies are equal. Multiculturalism only goes so far. We should not become so tolerant that we tolerate intolerance. If your culture allows for beheadings and stonings for minor acts such as sexual transgression then you're bringing up the rear civilization-wise. We have our own opinions as to what constitutes a dishonorable act. But no one here is suggesting that we kill people for adultery or being gay or being in love with someone outside your religion or race.
Sometimes things aren't just different here, but better. Rule of law is better than autocracy or theocracy. Freedom of speech and religion is better than state imposed beliefs. Due process...better. Free elections...better. Independent media...better.
Therein lies the problem. We cannot force democracy and freedom as we know it upon a population that doesn't want it. If they're not ready to join us in the 21st century there is little we can do for them.
The most important part of reading is reading between the lines.
God commanded stoning for violations of The Ten Commandments, any of them:
"And The Lord said to Moses ... He who blasphemes the Name of The Lord shall be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him; the sojourner as well as the native, when he blasphemes the Name, shall be put to death." (Leviticus 24:13,16 RSV) "If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son, or your daughter, or the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, entices you secretly, saying, 'Let us go and serve other gods ... You shall stone him to death with stones, because he sought to draw you away from The Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage." (Deuteronomy 13:6,10 RSV) "While the people of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day ... And The Lord said to Moses, "The man shall be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp." (Numbers 15:32,35 RSV)
Anyone remember what the Gospels report that Jesus said about stoning?Oh, so the Lord does change his mind.
Unless you're a Jew, I guess.
Heh, no, he doesn't. I wish you would be more willing to actually go out and learn something about the new and old testaments, instead of just spouting off your ignorance...but since you obviously don't really care, I'm not going to bother.
and no, these people were not Muslims, but their religion holds islamic beliefs...and if they WERE Muslim, the result would have been the same, it happens all the time, inter faith marriages are not permitted under Islamic law.
This sort of act illustrates that not all societies are equal. Multiculturalism only goes so far. We should not become so tolerant that we tolerate intolerance. If your culture allows for beheadings and stonings for minor acts such as sexual transgression then you're bringing up the rear civilization-wise. We have our own opinions as to what constitutes a dishonorable act. But no one here is suggesting that we kill people for adultery or being gay or being in love with someone outside your religion or race. Sometimes things aren't just different here, but better. Rule of law is better than autocracy or theocracy. Freedom of speech and religion is better than state imposed beliefs. Due process...better. Free elections...better. Independent media...better. Therein lies the problem. We cannot force democracy and freedom as we know it upon a population that doesn't want it. If they're not ready to join us in the 21st century there is little we can do for them.
Well said. Which is why we need to quit dancing around the issue and just get the hell out of there. I know that there are going to be some people that feel like they wasted their sweat and blood, I would to if I were over there. But all I can say is, direct it towards our current President. And please learn from our mistake this time. We cannot bust into a country and expect to change the whole damn thing just because we are America and we have a strong military. Military force does not change the hearts and minds of people. That has to come from changes made by it's own people.
It'd been faster, cheaper, and less lives lost if we'd just gone in, and thrown up a Walmart, Starbucks, and McDonalds on every corner. Maybe pipe in Mtv via satellite.
They'd have turned into overweight, hypercaffeinated, super shoppers within 6 months.
It is from these numbers that we estimated what is occurring nationwide. It is widely accepted that 9.6 million animals are euthanized annually in the United States. http://www.americanhumane.org/site/PageServer?pagename=nr_fact_sheets_animal_euthanasia I am more outraged about this, something that can easily be stopped by passing laws strictly limiting the breeding of dogs and cats in the US.
You cant even compare a girl being repeatedly hit with stones for a full 30 minutes untill she finally dies of blunt trama terrifed and betrayed by her own family to an animal humanly put to sleep. You my friend should go ahead and move there. maybe the world will get lucky and you will get a taste of what she felt.
An animal? 9.6 million animals, most of which are perfectly healthy and whose population is completely within our control since they are domesticative bred. If the girl was humanly put to sleep as you phrase it, I guess that would have been ok? I bet you would have had a problem with that also.
How the United States can consider itself an advanced enlightened society while this barbarism occurs yearly because selfish people find it so damn important to own a specific breed of dog or cat at the expense of perfectly healthy and loving mixed breeds lives, is beyond me. Shame on those who create the demand and purchase their pets from pet stores and private breeders, shame on those who breed dogs and cats, and shame on the rest who aren't outraged that our society doesn't strictly regulate breeding of dogs and cats to end this yearly holocaust.
Muslim girls don't usually go out on dates, they get married when they're at some age, some other factor concernign this are o.k others go against women rights. Nevertheless this girl had a boyfriend? wtf, half the stoning probably was because of that, it's this westernized culture seeping in these countries with doesn't fit the culture of these people.
We're all Geniuses. Most of us just don't know it.
God commanded stoning for violations of The Ten Commandments, any of them:
"And The Lord said to Moses ... He who blasphemes the Name of The Lord shall be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him; the sojourner as well as the native, when he blasphemes the Name, shall be put to death." (Leviticus 24:13,16 RSV) "If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son, or your daughter, or the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, entices you secretly, saying, 'Let us go and serve other gods ... You shall stone him to death with stones, because he sought to draw you away from The Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage." (Deuteronomy 13:6,10 RSV) "While the people of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day ... And The Lord said to Moses, "The man shall be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp." (Numbers 15:32,35 RSV)
Anyone remember what the Gospels report that Jesus said about stoning?Oh, so the Lord does change his mind.
Unless you're a Jew, I guess.
Heh, no, he doesn't. I wish you would be more willing to actually go out and learn something about the new and old testaments, instead of just spouting off your ignorance...but since you obviously don't really care, I'm not going to bother.
and no, these people were not Muslims, but their religion holds islamic beliefs...and if they WERE Muslim, the result would have been the same, it happens all the time, inter faith marriages are not permitted under Islamic law.
So he doesn't change his mind.
There you have it folks, God condones stoning. I don't know what the case is. But I know that I've been told by Christians before that God said I'm supposed to be stoned to death or something. I heard a guy on the radio the other day saying they ought to bring it back or let the state execute us all.
I kind of gave up on trying to figure out the whole Christian religion. How the heck are you supposed to know what it means when everyone has a different idea about it. And most of them are busy condemning people like me when they go out and do things that supposedly are just as heinous in their religion. If there were one translation that everyone agreed on in Christianity then it might be more appealing and definitely far less confusing.
The only thing I can come up with is that I just do what my heart tells me is right.
As far as the stoning of this little girl goes, pure sickness. This is another reason why religion scares me. As bad as I think I have it in America, I see what gay people have to go through in Muslim countries. Just look what they do to the straight people in their countries. They would have no problem gutting me and putting it all over the Internet!
Wow, I think almost every single Political Agenda has been pushed here....... I saw Anti-Muslim, Religion, Anti-Westerners, Anti-Abortion, Animal Rights, Anti and Pro war, and thats all I got skimming through the posts.
Wow, I think almost every single Political Agenda has been pushed here....... I saw Anti-Muslim, Religion, Anti-Westerners, Anti-Abortion, Animal Rights, Anti and Pro war, and thats all I got skimming through the posts.
There, I just added another one for ya! Hehe.
*Adds another point to the controversy rating in this thread*
We barely remember who or what came before this precious moment; We are choosing to be here right now -Tool, Parabola
This is horrible! Are these the kind of people we are trying to build a nation for? As far as I'm concerned they can take their nation and go to hell if this is the kind of behavior they find acceptable.
I know it's a terrible thing that they did, but I don't think we should condemn them their entire nation to hell for the actions of 8 or 9 people. Oh God! Islam said to do it, maybe we should "convince" them to make it fucking illegal to stone a anyone...at all.
I will be playing devil's advocate in this thread so if you're easily offended I wouldn't bother reading.
Every time something like this happens I can't help but view the American response with anything other than heavy handed irony. It's no secret that the Islamic faith covets the sacredness of their women and imposes harsh penalties upon them should they break them. That's their society. The young girl was not born yesterday. She was 17 years old - I won't believe for a second that she was dumb to the fact that what she was doing might be punishable by death.
Next there is the cruelty involved in exactly "how" she died. She was stoned to death by 8 or 9 men who acknowledge the same or similar religious principles as she did. In no way is this a compassionate way to deal with things but who are we (assuming you're American like myself) to speak on anyone else being cruel? People have been lync'ed, dragged behind moving vehicles, burned alive, pulled apart, and castrated as LEGAL punishment for crimes in AMERICAN HISTORY. Who are we to then point the finger at another culture that is only adhering to the religious foundation upon which their society is built?
For an American to scrutinize any other culture for cruelty be it based on religious or political mandates for punishment, is nothing more than idiotic hypocrisy. And don't give me that speech about reform and the "America of today," because as stated in a previous reply some people feel that the old ways should be brought back.
I will be playing devil's advocate in this thread so if you're easily offended I wouldn't bother reading.
Every time something like this happens I can't help but view the American response with anything other than heavy handed irony. It's no secret that the Islamic faith covets the sacredness of their women and imposes harsh penalties upon them should they break them. That's their society. The young girl was not born yesterday. She was 17 years old - I won't believe for a second that she was dumb to the fact that what she was doing might be punishable by death.
Next there is the cruelty involved in exactly "how" she died. She was stoned to death by 8 or 9 men who acknowledge the same or similar religious principles as she did. In no way is this a compassionate way to deal with things but who are we (assuming you're American like myself) to speak on anyone else being cruel? People have been lync'ed, dragged behind moving vehicles, burned alive, pulled apart, and castrated as LEGAL punishment for crimes in AMERICAN HISTORY. Who are we to then point the finger at another culture that is only adhering to the religious foundation upon which their society is built?
For an American to scrutinize any other culture for cruelty be it based on religious or political mandates for punishment, is nothing more than idiotic hypocrisy. And don't give me that speech about reform and the "America of today," because as stated in a previous reply some people feel that the old ways should be brought back.
Can you name one country who hasn't got blood on it's hands at some point in history.
I think you will find going far enough back any country on this planet has got a dirty history. Are we all there for to remain silent about any act of barberism any genocide anything at all? We should just be silent when the next rowanda happens somewhere.
A couple of posters have touched on this issue. Have we become so tohlerant we are willing now to accept intohlerance, as one poster put it. Do we now stay silent should a Nazi party pop up somewhere.as another poster put it. because we have a bloody past?I I know your playing devils advocate but don't you think becoming oblivius to any act of hatred is a pretty bad road to go down?
Hooray Sodom and Gomorrah!Oh yea, that comparison is completely valid
God commanded stoning for violations of The Ten Commandments, any of them:
"And The Lord said to Moses ... He who blasphemes the Name of The Lord shall be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him; the sojourner as well as the native, when he blasphemes the Name, shall be put to death." (Leviticus 24:13,16 RSV)
"If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son, or your daughter, or the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, entices you secretly, saying, 'Let us go and serve other gods ... You shall stone him to death with stones, because he sought to draw you away from The Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage." (Deuteronomy 13:6,10 RSV)
"While the people of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day ... And The Lord said to Moses, "The man shall be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp." (Numbers 15:32,35 RSV)
What people fail to understand is that the ten commandments and Gods saying in the old testament was the covenant directed towards the jewish peoples of that time... The new covenant towards mankind was Jesus dying on the cross, not the old testament.
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(in red originally posted by castlegoob)
And it's there way? would it be beyond objection if a religion endorsed child sacrifice sprouted in south america because the aztects did it? You would be against any objection to this?
I am very perplexed by this reasoning. Since you brought the nazi's up. By your own logic we should have accepted them...well it's there way?
Nothing done by my ancestors or not done has any relevance to me now. I am me, not my ancestors.
I see a murder of a child by nine murderers. No religion historical act or policically correct arguement is going to paint for me another picture of this act..
You are you? ha such a simple minded idea. You aren't you, you are created by society with the ideas of society. You aren't you, you are the one the society tells you to bethrough education and rules. the only reason we think Communisme and nazis are bad is because we were thought that way by those who won WWII and the cold war. Society created you. if the nazis won the war you would be one, if communist spreaded to the rest of the world you would be a communist. You my foolish friend are somebody that the world wants you to be.
+ If we disregard the past don't you think we would make the same mistake again?
Unless you're a Jew, I guess.
Heh, no, he doesn't. I wish you would be more willing to actually go out and learn something about the new and old testaments, instead of just spouting off your ignorance...but since you obviously don't really care, I'm not going to bother.
and no, these people were not Muslims, but their religion holds islamic beliefs...and if they WERE Muslim, the result would have been the same, it happens all the time, inter faith marriages are not permitted under Islamic law.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
I understand Jesus was a great guy, but that doesn't excuse what his daddy did in the OT.
Since you know more about it than me, how do you justify your God killing thousands of people in the Old Testament?
Jesus Christ, why don't you come save my life.
Open my eyes and blind me with your light
and your lies.
You cant even compare a girl being repeatedly hit with stones for a full 30 minutes untill she finally dies of blunt trama terrifed and betrayed by her own family to an animal humanly put to sleep. You my friend should go ahead and move there. maybe the world will get lucky and you will get a taste of what she felt.
07.05.05
In the us, blacks were castrated then lynched for whistling at a white woman;
In india there are some so "untouchable" that "high-born" cannot even step on the same dirt;
The brits considered chinese so inferior the brits wanted to keep the nation adicted to opium they intended to sell;
palestineans are so dedicated to removing all jews from the land they stay in abject poverty and homicide bomb themselves as long as they deprive or destroy jews;
us natives not being human beings nor having souls, it is justified to lie and cheat with EVERY treaty as long as those savages were either killed or run off the land, so good white men could profit selling those resources to other white men;
us blacks and women are so inferior they would have no idea how to vote and could just be bought-off or mislead, only property owning free white men should have the vote;
sheite are so fanatical worshiping graves and descendents as their political leaders, they are best killed so their adherance to Qu'ran will not enlighten other moslem;
women should be beat with a stick no thicker than one's thumb to encourage them to obedience and covered head to foot in black cloth to their 'beauty' will not enflame men to carnal thoughts;
millions of fetus are mutilated to death each year based souly on the whim of the host woman not wanting to deal with the pregnacy or unable to scam some/any man to support her & the kid;
so, op, is your degredation toward iraq have some political motive, casting "them" as savage, while you ignore the much greater offence the rest of the world has done toward 'classes' they deem lesser? Do you hold an entire nation accountable for the actions of a few?
(in red originally posted by castlegoob)
And it's there way? would it be beyond objection if a religion endorsed child sacrifice sprouted in south america because the aztects did it? You would be against any objection to this?
I am very perplexed by this reasoning. Since you brought the nazi's up. By your own logic we should have accepted them...well it's there way?
Nothing done by my ancestors or not done has any relevance to me now. I am me, not my ancestors.
I see a murder of a child by nine murderers. No religion historical act or policically correct arguement is going to paint for me another picture of this act..
You are you? ha such a simple minded idea. You aren't you, you are created by society with the ideas of society. You aren't you, you are the one the society tells you to bethrough education and rules. the only reason we think Communisme and nazis are bad is because we were thought that way by those who won WWII and the cold war. Society created you. if the nazis won the war you would be one, if communist spreaded to the rest of the world you would be a communist. You my foolish friend are somebody that the world wants you to be.
+ If we disregard the past don't you think we would make the same mistake again?
You think my society makes my stomach turm when I watch that video. You think I object simply because my society tells me to object.
I'm sorry but my society has done some pretty sh*tty things that I object to so I guess they did'nt make me very good did they.
Sorry but Im not some minless borg drone chirping out what some politician tells me whats wright and wrong.
You don't have to disregard what the past has shown us but there is no connection to me as I was not in existance during ww2.
But I am most definatly me the last time I checked.
You cant even compare a girl being repeatedly hit with stones for a full 30 minutes untill she finally dies of blunt trama terrifed and betrayed by her own family to an animal humanly put to sleep. You my friend should go ahead and move there. maybe the world will get lucky and you will get a taste of what she felt.
True, but what gives us the right to kill these animals? because we are stronger? because these animals gives us problems?
Sometimes I couldn't give a rats ass if we turned that entire place into glass... but then my conscience gets to me - there are people there that are just as human as the rest of us, that 17 yo girl for instance.
On a separate note: Welcome back Kimmar, we needed some more oestragen around this place.
This sort of act illustrates that not all societies are equal. Multiculturalism only goes so far. We should not become so tolerant that we tolerate intolerance. If your culture allows for beheadings and stonings for minor acts such as sexual transgression then you're bringing up the rear civilization-wise. We have our own opinions as to what constitutes a dishonorable act. But no one here is suggesting that we kill people for adultery or being gay or being in love with someone outside your religion or race.
Sometimes things aren't just different here, but better. Rule of law is better than autocracy or theocracy. Freedom of speech and religion is better than state imposed beliefs. Due process...better. Free elections...better. Independent media...better.
Therein lies the problem. We cannot force democracy and freedom as we know it upon a population that doesn't want it. If they're not ready to join us in the 21st century there is little we can do for them.
The most important part of reading is reading between the lines.
Unless you're a Jew, I guess.
Heh, no, he doesn't. I wish you would be more willing to actually go out and learn something about the new and old testaments, instead of just spouting off your ignorance...but since you obviously don't really care, I'm not going to bother.
and no, these people were not Muslims, but their religion holds islamic beliefs...and if they WERE Muslim, the result would have been the same, it happens all the time, inter faith marriages are not permitted under Islamic law.
So he doesn't change his mind.There you have it folks, God condones stoning.
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It'd been faster, cheaper, and less lives lost if we'd just gone in, and thrown up a Walmart, Starbucks, and McDonalds on every corner. Maybe pipe in Mtv via satellite.
They'd have turned into overweight, hypercaffeinated, super shoppers within 6 months.
You cant even compare a girl being repeatedly hit with stones for a full 30 minutes untill she finally dies of blunt trama terrifed and betrayed by her own family to an animal humanly put to sleep. You my friend should go ahead and move there. maybe the world will get lucky and you will get a taste of what she felt.
An animal? 9.6 million animals, most of which are perfectly healthy and whose population is completely within our control since they are domesticative bred. If the girl was humanly put to sleep as you phrase it, I guess that would have been ok? I bet you would have had a problem with that also.
How the United States can consider itself an advanced enlightened society while this barbarism occurs yearly because selfish people find it so damn important to own a specific breed of dog or cat at the expense of perfectly healthy and loving mixed breeds lives, is beyond me. Shame on those who create the demand and purchase their pets from pet stores and private breeders, shame on those who breed dogs and cats, and shame on the rest who aren't outraged that our society doesn't strictly regulate breeding of dogs and cats to end this yearly holocaust.
We're all Geniuses. Most of us just don't know it.
Wow, I think almost every single Political Agenda has been pushed here.......
I saw Anti-Muslim, Religion, Anti-Westerners, Anti-Abortion, Animal Rights, Anti and Pro war, and thats all I got skimming through the posts.
We barely remember who or what came before this precious moment;
We are choosing to be here right now -Tool, Parabola
Unless you're a Jew, I guess.
Heh, no, he doesn't. I wish you would be more willing to actually go out and learn something about the new and old testaments, instead of just spouting off your ignorance...but since you obviously don't really care, I'm not going to bother.
and no, these people were not Muslims, but their religion holds islamic beliefs...and if they WERE Muslim, the result would have been the same, it happens all the time, inter faith marriages are not permitted under Islamic law.
So he doesn't change his mind.There you have it folks, God condones stoning. I don't know what the case is. But I know that I've been told by Christians before that God said I'm supposed to be stoned to death or something. I heard a guy on the radio the other day saying they ought to bring it back or let the state execute us all.
I kind of gave up on trying to figure out the whole Christian religion. How the heck are you supposed to know what it means when everyone has a different idea about it. And most of them are busy condemning people like me when they go out and do things that supposedly are just as heinous in their religion. If there were one translation that everyone agreed on in Christianity then it might be more appealing and definitely far less confusing.
The only thing I can come up with is that I just do what my heart tells me is right.
As far as the stoning of this little girl goes, pure sickness. This is another reason why religion scares me. As bad as I think I have it in America, I see what gay people have to go through in Muslim countries. Just look what they do to the straight people in their countries. They would have no problem gutting me and putting it all over the Internet!
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We barely remember who or what came before this precious moment;
We are choosing to be here right now -Tool, Parabola
Poor girl, what a fucked up world we live in.
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Every time something like this happens I can't help but view the American response with anything other than heavy handed irony. It's no secret that the Islamic faith covets the sacredness of their women and imposes harsh penalties upon them should they break them. That's their society. The young girl was not born yesterday. She was 17 years old - I won't believe for a second that she was dumb to the fact that what she was doing might be punishable by death.
Next there is the cruelty involved in exactly "how" she died. She was stoned to death by 8 or 9 men who acknowledge the same or similar religious principles as she did. In no way is this a compassionate way to deal with things but who are we (assuming you're American like myself) to speak on anyone else being cruel? People have been lync'ed, dragged behind moving vehicles, burned alive, pulled apart, and castrated as LEGAL punishment for crimes in AMERICAN HISTORY. Who are we to then point the finger at another culture that is only adhering to the religious foundation upon which their society is built?
For an American to scrutinize any other culture for cruelty be it based on religious or political mandates for punishment, is nothing more than idiotic hypocrisy. And don't give me that speech about reform and the "America of today," because as stated in a previous reply some people feel that the old ways should be brought back.
the Pot calling the Kettle black, right?
though I doubt that everyone who calls it terrible is a American there's more to this world than America.
Can you name one country who hasn't got blood on it's hands at some point in history.
I think you will find going far enough back any country on this planet has got a dirty history. Are we all there for to remain silent about any act of barberism any genocide anything at all? We should just be silent when the next rowanda happens somewhere.
A couple of posters have touched on this issue. Have we become so tohlerant we are willing now to accept intohlerance, as one poster put it. Do we now stay silent should a Nazi party pop up somewhere.as another poster put it. because we have a bloody past?I I know your playing devils advocate
but don't you think becoming oblivius to any act of hatred is a pretty bad road to go down?
God commanded stoning for violations of The Ten Commandments, any of them:
"And The Lord said to Moses ... He who blasphemes the Name of The Lord shall be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him; the sojourner as well as the native, when he blasphemes the Name, shall be put to death." (Leviticus 24:13,16 RSV)
"If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son, or your daughter, or the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, entices you secretly, saying, 'Let us go and serve other gods ... You shall stone him to death with stones, because he sought to draw you away from The Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage." (Deuteronomy 13:6,10 RSV)
"While the people of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day ... And The Lord said to Moses, "The man shall be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp." (Numbers 15:32,35 RSV)
What people fail to understand is that the ten commandments and Gods saying in the old testament was the covenant directed towards the jewish peoples of that time... The new covenant towards mankind was Jesus dying on the cross, not the old testament.