Hopfrog if you looked at our join dates then you would see that i have as many posts as i do cause i joined several years ago and you just joined this year. I do not post to talk out my butt. I do remember that the content of your second and third post was very sarcastic. Maybe the title wasn't. But hey we are all human and make mistakes i live up to mine. I agree with everyone else that quitting a game cause the forums moderate you closer than any other forum is very childish and immature. You wanted a reason to whine and you got one and you couldn't do it on the LOTRO forums so you came here to find like minded people to whine with. I also noticed you didn't post the title of your third thread. Any paticular reason for that.
Grindalyx, I purposely made sure my posts were not sarcastic because I wanted the issue addressed and discussed in a mature fashion. If you can't even get the gist of the title correct how can anyone expect you to be accurate about the content of the post itself, but I applaud you for coming clean, which most would not do.
I personally feel that not standing up for your beliefs in order to play a game is childish and immature, instead of vice versa. You can call it whining, I call it voicing my concerns about forum censorship. It may not be an issue to a lot of you, but to me, its an issue. The fact that I do not bash the game itself should show this is not some grudge, I just feel others should be aware of it. Most won't care, but some may identify with the problem.
Edit: Big thank you to pal, those are my 3 posts. I will let the community judge whether or not I was sarcastic and whining. I feel it was a legitimate issue that I brought up in a mature fashion.
From reading the OP's posts on game forum, he quit because they wasn't making a new server and not because they closed his threads.
Its "weren't" not "wasn't: and no I quit because of the censorship. The game is only 1 week old and a success. I am sure new servers are on the way. Thats not the issue. Next.
Hopfrog i owe you an apology. I had you mixed up with another poster who had posted about the same thing or close to it. I look like the fool on this thread and i admit it. Personally i don't care what people think of me on this fourm so it doesn't matter to me. But as i said when i make a mistake i owne up to it.
I still think that the reason you quit the game was not a good one, and to me is immature. But that is me.
Hopfrog i owe you an apology. I had you mixed up with another poster who had posted about the same thing or close to it. I look like the fool on this thread and i admit it. Personally i don't care what people think of me on this fourm so it doesn't matter to me. But as i said when i make a mistake i owne up to it. I still think that the reason you quit the game was not a good one, and to me is immature. But that is me.
Fair enough, Mistakes happen and I admire you for owning up. Most people on forums nowadays will blindly stick to their guns and its rare to find someone who will be honest and admit a mistake. For that reason I respect your opinion and I accept your apology and I also apologize for being harsh with you. Its a gut reaction to the venom on the modern day gaming forums.
It seems nowadays there is so much attack/defend on the forums that real discussion is a thing of the past. New players to the genre can't even ask simple questions in general chat without getting blasted and that goes for a lot of forums too.But I guess thats another topic entirely.
You made a mistake and owned up, that clears you from looking like the fool.
.........of the forum moderators. Its like a communist state over there on the forums. You even mention an issue that the Turbine forum moderators don't like and the thread gets closed. I didn't violate any of their policies, just asked a few questions about opening new servers for new buyers (all current servers have been in since beta) which for some reason is a taboo topic. First thread was closed, couldn't understand why, so I made a second one and it was closed. Apparently free speech is not welcome by the LOTRO forum moderators. I then make a post about how quick the moderators close threads for no solid reasons. Of course the thread ends with a lame attempt at subtle sarcasm from a moderator (straight from the WoW school of forum moderation) and a thread closure. In years of playing MMO's I have never had a thread closed by a moderator, and here it is week 1 for me at LOTRO and 3 threads were closed. Innocent threads asking simple questions. Its a really great game too, but I just cannot fork money over to a company that behaves like that.
So you quit playing in a video game because of the way out of game forums are handled? You do know there are multiple other forums you can go to for advice and help, right?
You should play a game because you think it is fun, not because forum moderators are nice. You should not quit a fun game that you enjoy because you do not like a certain forum moderator.
You should not quit a fun game that you enjoy because you do not like a certain forum moderator.
I really did like the game and have considered that 1 moderator does not make a company. Its just an issue that I wanted to address because I felt the moderator's actions were unjust and should be looked at. I am sure there are plenty of good people over at Turbine.
Another poster here set a fine example of rethinking his stance and admitting a mistake. After reading that sentence I just typed above, I will do the same. It was just one person, and I did overreact. Still, I hope that someone does take notice of the issue at Turbine.
the beta had 2 & 1/2 servers retail had 7 then they added 4 more, so eleven servers by May. And in that eleven at least two are low population they encourage people to play on. The game is not even a month old, people are still in the initial free month of play. Ususally only two to four have a 5 to 10 person waiting que; and for some unspecified reason you want a 'new' server... justify your request rather than slam them for operating their 'forum' and 'game' the way they want. Are you some kind of special that they should modify their busines plan to your whims?
Or is your quiting because they closed a few of your beligerant threads a guage of your calabre as a customer? you can always go back to ddr, sims & guitar hero!
If you do not agree with how they do business, you simply do not subscribe to the game. That is why $oE went from over a milion subscribers to less than 200k (not counting V:SoH.)
07.05.06 beligerant threads a guage of your calabre
Why is it the people with the worst arguments also have the worst grammar.
Some words of wisdom for you bhug:
"Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" - Mark Twain
Its easy to complain about grammar when you do it in your own lenguaje.
do it in Spanish or French, i bet you wont get to far. Its a global world face it.
Anyway good or bad grammar, who the hell leaves a game because of a forum admin? ... like yea .. sure he represent the whole company, the game devs, artist team, publisher, managment and billing department etc... common grow up.
I have been playing Turbine games since they came out with Asheron's Call and NEVER have I seen any heavy-handed forum moderation in the whole time I played their games. You sir, don't have a clue as to what bad moderation is (ie. Horizons, any SOE, Dark N Light, to name a few) and apparently don't understand without the moderation that you see on Turbine's boards, it would get to the point that all you would see is whining, pointless, and otherwise idiotic posts completely taking over the forums. If they had not done something about the new server posts you would get something like what I saw on the WoW forums, out of the front page of posts at one point, almost half were "NEW SERVER" posts. This needs moderated.
While I hate LOTRO, I suggest you resub if you like the game.
Those locks looked unjustified to me but I think you are getting more pushed from resubing via people's comments rather than admin actions. As far as I know, every admin is an asshole.
If you truly like the game, just resub and enjoy it while you can. Being a fan of open PvP and specific xp/combat systems, I cant find a good MMO since SB's population died and I know for a fact it sucks not being able to find a good MMO to play.
I bought the game and waited for opening day and the new servers to launch. Well guess what I'm still waiting. I have never been part of a launch that didn't have new servers for the new accounts just joining the game. I love to be part of a new fresh server on a new game there is nothing like it. I guess Turbine decided it was not needed for they had 11 servers for open beta and we still have 11 servers today. Since there has been no new servers by now I assume the game didn't do as well as expected. I recall Turbine said they had new servers ready for launch if needed.
I now wait for new servers before that magical date of May 24th so I can get the founders fee if I chose. If no new servers open by then I will pass on the game for now and wait for a expansion or two. I have little hope for a new server for I figured if it was going to happen it would have happen in the first week. From what I read on the forums now the crowding complaints have pretty much went away so I figure the game is just not growing fast enough for this to happen by the 24th.
From reading the OP's posts on game forum, he quit because they wasn't making a new server and not because they closed his threads.
Its "weren't" not "wasn't: and no I quit because of the censorship. The game is only 1 week old and a success. I am sure new servers are on the way. Thats not the issue. Next.
I was somewhat sympathetic until this reply. In your first post that was locked on the official forum, in the original post, you stated you had canceled your subscription to wait for a new server. You may want to make more drama now over the thread closures, you beating a dead horse and deciding you will never return because you felt you were mistreated by the forum moderators, but you did unsubscribe to wait for a new server.
WoW has been closing new server threads on their forums and suspending or banning people from posting there that continued to press the issue for over four months now. The big debate in the MMO development community seems to be whether a game should even host official forums or not. I'd rather have a heavily moderated official forum than no forum official forum at all. They aren't places to endlessly rant over non-productive issues.
As far as new servers for LotRO, this is my take: Turbine messed up by creating too many servers for Open Beta. This is one of the few notable misteps they made. Not only from a strategic point of view, but it also eliminated the opportunity of using Open Beta as a stress test and to test their ability to bring new servers on line as needed based on demand. I'm still up in the air over whether or not this was intentional. I understand why many new people would prefer a new server, but MMO companies have learned the lesson about over expansion of new servers. New servers will only come to address capacity issues, not the desire of people to have a fresh start.
The ironic thing is that the servers were still plenty fresh at launch, the founder head start was really nothing in the over all scheme of things. I prefer fresh starts, so guess what, I just started fresh on a different server than the one I played in open beta. I have not in any way felt gimped or that I had stepped into an economy that had somehow been ruined by the founders head start. If all the people that held out for new servers had just played the game instead of waiting, they not only would have had fun but they could only have contributed to server loads and brought new servers closer to reality.
WoW spoiled a lot of people and created the chronic re-roller phenomenon. To some degree, I was one of those people. My re-rolls kept me in the game longer than I would have otherwise, but I realize now how counter-productive such expectations are to an MMO.
It's definitely the right of the OP to decide to never return to LotRO because he felt "wronged" by heavy handed moderation, but why do we have to see the drama boil into non-official forums? Forum moderation on the whole is a good thing and keeps official game forums from devolving into useless morasses that are have way too high a noise to signal ratio.
You can't be held liable because I didn;t say I was... I said to.
Actually, opposed to what seabass said. Its more of a safety issue than anything. Telling someone to die or that you are going to kill them yourself pretty much falls in the same boat for the company. All it takes is for one idiot, like they guy you said it to ....to report you...in any game. Or an idiot to make the remarks in the first place, take your pick I guess .
Originally posted by fiontarI was somewhat sympathetic until this reply. In your first post that was locked on the official forum, in the original post, you stated you had canceled your subscription to wait for a new server. You may want to make more drama now over the thread closures, you beating a dead horse and deciding you will never return because you felt you were mistreated by the forum moderators, but you did unsubscribe to wait for a new server.
WoW has been closing new server threads on their forums and suspending or banning people from posting there that continued to press the issue for over four months now. The big debate in the MMO development community seems to be whether a game should even host official forums or not. I'd rather have a heavily moderated official forum than no forum official forum at all. They aren't places to endlessly rant over non-productive issues.
As far as new servers for LotRO, this is my take: Turbine messed up by creating too many servers for Open Beta. This is one of the few notable misteps they made. Not only from a strategic point of view, but it also eliminated the opportunity of using Open Beta as a stress test and to test their ability to bring new servers on line as needed based on demand. I'm still up in the air over whether or not this was intentional. I understand why many new people would prefer a new server, but MMO companies have learned the lesson about over expansion of new servers. New servers will only come to address capacity issues, not the desire of people to have a fresh start.
The ironic thing is that the servers were still plenty fresh at launch, the founder head start was really nothing in the over all scheme of things. I prefer fresh starts, so guess what, I just started fresh on a different server than the one I played in open beta. I have not in any way felt gimped or that I had stepped into an economy that had somehow been ruined by the founders head start. If all the people that held out for new servers had just played the game instead of waiting, they not only would have had fun but they could only have contributed to server loads and brought new servers closer to reality.
WoW spoiled a lot of people and created the chronic re-roller phenomenon. To some degree, I was one of those people. My re-rolls kept me in the game longer than I would have otherwise, but I realize now how counter-productive such expectations are to an MMO.
It's definitely the right of the OP to decide to never return to LotRO because he felt "wronged" by heavy handed moderation, but why do we have to see the drama boil into non-official forums? Forum moderation on the whole is a good thing and keeps official game forums from devolving into useless morasses that are have way too high a noise to signal ratio.
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That would be in the same court as if you called me gay and I sued you for slander.
Since you guys refuse to see the point that I am trying to make, I will spell it out in bold letters.
ALL COMPANIES WILL DO ANYTHING TO AVOID A LAWSUIT.
This is why you were assaulted by the GM's it is a simple matter of them trying to cover their asses.
This thread is over for me.
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Grindalyx, I purposely made sure my posts were not sarcastic because I wanted the issue addressed and discussed in a mature fashion. If you can't even get the gist of the title correct how can anyone expect you to be accurate about the content of the post itself, but I applaud you for coming clean, which most would not do.
I personally feel that not standing up for your beliefs in order to play a game is childish and immature, instead of vice versa. You can call it whining, I call it voicing my concerns about forum censorship. It may not be an issue to a lot of you, but to me, its an issue. The fact that I do not bash the game itself should show this is not some grudge, I just feel others should be aware of it. Most won't care, but some may identify with the problem.
Edit: Big thank you to pal, those are my 3 posts. I will let the community judge whether or not I was sarcastic and whining. I feel it was a legitimate issue that I brought up in a mature fashion.
Its "weren't" not "wasn't: and no I quit because of the censorship. The game is only 1 week old and a success. I am sure new servers are on the way. Thats not the issue. Next.
Hopfrog i owe you an apology. I had you mixed up with another poster who had posted about the same thing or close to it. I look like the fool on this thread and i admit it. Personally i don't care what people think of me on this fourm so it doesn't matter to me. But as i said when i make a mistake i owne up to it.
I still think that the reason you quit the game was not a good one, and to me is immature. But that is me.
Fair enough, Mistakes happen and I admire you for owning up. Most people on forums nowadays will blindly stick to their guns and its rare to find someone who will be honest and admit a mistake. For that reason I respect your opinion and I accept your apology and I also apologize for being harsh with you. Its a gut reaction to the venom on the modern day gaming forums.
It seems nowadays there is so much attack/defend on the forums that real discussion is a thing of the past. New players to the genre can't even ask simple questions in general chat without getting blasted and that goes for a lot of forums too.But I guess thats another topic entirely.
You made a mistake and owned up, that clears you from looking like the fool.
So you quit playing in a video game because of the way out of game forums are handled? You do know there are multiple other forums you can go to for advice and help, right?
You should play a game because you think it is fun, not because forum moderators are nice. You should not quit a fun game that you enjoy because you do not like a certain forum moderator.
This was taken from one of your posts: "the game has potential, im curius whats comming on"
I'm not sure what you are, but I'm glad you think I'm a sissy.
I really did like the game and have considered that 1 moderator does not make a company. Its just an issue that I wanted to address because I felt the moderator's actions were unjust and should be looked at. I am sure there are plenty of good people over at Turbine.
Another poster here set a fine example of rethinking his stance and admitting a mistake. After reading that sentence I just typed above, I will do the same. It was just one person, and I did overreact. Still, I hope that someone does take notice of the issue at Turbine.
07.05.06
the beta had 2 & 1/2 servers
retail had 7
then they added 4 more, so eleven servers by May. And in that eleven at least two are low population they encourage people to play on.
The game is not even a month old, people are still in the initial free month of play.
Ususally only two to four have a 5 to 10 person waiting que; and for some unspecified reason you want a 'new' server... justify your request rather than slam them for operating their 'forum' and 'game' the way they want.
Are you some kind of special that they should modify their busines plan to your whims?
Or is your quiting because they closed a few of your beligerant threads a guage of your calabre as a customer? you can always go back to ddr, sims & guitar hero!
If you do not agree with how they do business, you simply do not subscribe to the game. That is why $oE went from over a milion subscribers to less than 200k (not counting V:SoH.)
Why is it the people with the worst arguments also have the worst grammar.
Some words of wisdom for you bhug:
"Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" - Mark Twain
Why is it the people with the worst arguments also have the worst grammar.
Some words of wisdom for you bhug:
"Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" - Mark Twain
Its easy to complain about grammar when you do it in your own lenguaje.
do it in Spanish or French, i bet you wont get to far. Its a global world face it.
Anyway good or bad grammar, who the hell leaves a game because of a forum admin?
Get A Clue.
I have been playing Turbine games since they came out with Asheron's Call and NEVER have I seen any heavy-handed forum moderation in the whole time I played their games. You sir, don't have a clue as to what bad moderation is (ie. Horizons, any SOE, Dark N Light, to name a few) and apparently don't understand without the moderation that you see on Turbine's boards, it would get to the point that all you would see is whining, pointless, and otherwise idiotic posts completely taking over the forums. If they had not done something about the new server posts you would get something like what I saw on the WoW forums, out of the front page of posts at one point, almost half were "NEW SERVER" posts. This needs moderated.
Dont get nasty man
I actually didnt read all of your post, since the quality of the OP wasnt that impressive.
While I hate LOTRO, I suggest you resub if you like the game.
Those locks looked unjustified to me but I think you are getting more pushed from resubing via people's comments rather than admin actions. As far as I know, every admin is an asshole.
If you truly like the game, just resub and enjoy it while you can. Being a fan of open PvP and specific xp/combat systems, I cant find a good MMO since SB's population died and I know for a fact it sucks not being able to find a good MMO to play.
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I bought the game and waited for opening day and the new servers to launch. Well guess what I'm still waiting. I have never been part of a launch that didn't have new servers for the new accounts just joining the game. I love to be part of a new fresh server on a new game there is nothing like it. I guess Turbine decided it was not needed for they had 11 servers for open beta and we still have 11 servers today. Since there has been no new servers by now I assume the game didn't do as well as expected. I recall Turbine said they had new servers ready for launch if needed.
I now wait for new servers before that magical date of May 24th so I can get the founders fee if I chose. If no new servers open by then I will pass on the game for now and wait for a expansion or two. I have little hope for a new server for I figured if it was going to happen it would have happen in the first week. From what I read on the forums now the crowding complaints have pretty much went away so I figure the game is just not growing fast enough for this to happen by the 24th.
Its "weren't" not "wasn't: and no I quit because of the censorship. The game is only 1 week old and a success. I am sure new servers are on the way. Thats not the issue. Next.
I was somewhat sympathetic until this reply. In your first post that was locked on the official forum, in the original post, you stated you had canceled your subscription to wait for a new server. You may want to make more drama now over the thread closures, you beating a dead horse and deciding you will never return because you felt you were mistreated by the forum moderators, but you did unsubscribe to wait for a new server.WoW has been closing new server threads on their forums and suspending or banning people from posting there that continued to press the issue for over four months now. The big debate in the MMO development community seems to be whether a game should even host official forums or not. I'd rather have a heavily moderated official forum than no forum official forum at all. They aren't places to endlessly rant over non-productive issues.
As far as new servers for LotRO, this is my take: Turbine messed up by creating too many servers for Open Beta. This is one of the few notable misteps they made. Not only from a strategic point of view, but it also eliminated the opportunity of using Open Beta as a stress test and to test their ability to bring new servers on line as needed based on demand. I'm still up in the air over whether or not this was intentional. I understand why many new people would prefer a new server, but MMO companies have learned the lesson about over expansion of new servers. New servers will only come to address capacity issues, not the desire of people to have a fresh start.
The ironic thing is that the servers were still plenty fresh at launch, the founder head start was really nothing in the over all scheme of things. I prefer fresh starts, so guess what, I just started fresh on a different server than the one I played in open beta. I have not in any way felt gimped or that I had stepped into an economy that had somehow been ruined by the founders head start. If all the people that held out for new servers had just played the game instead of waiting, they not only would have had fun but they could only have contributed to server loads and brought new servers closer to reality.
WoW spoiled a lot of people and created the chronic re-roller phenomenon. To some degree, I was one of those people. My re-rolls kept me in the game longer than I would have otherwise, but I realize now how counter-productive such expectations are to an MMO.
It's definitely the right of the OP to decide to never return to LotRO because he felt "wronged" by heavy handed moderation, but why do we have to see the drama boil into non-official forums? Forum moderation on the whole is a good thing and keeps official game forums from devolving into useless morasses that are have way too high a noise to signal ratio.
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