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Traditional Catholicism - The only path to heaven?
reavo
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I was listening to the radio last night and there was a Catholic priest named Brother Diamond on. He said that the Catholic church has intentionally been steered away from traditional church doctrine and is misleading its followers and the rest of the world into hell.
He also said that the ONLY way to get into heaven is to follow the teachings of the traditional Catholic church. That means that you have to follow all the practices to the letter. He even went so far as to say that a lot (70% or so) of the translations that the Catholic church uses from Latin to English are wrong and therefore do not work in saving the souls of todays Catholics.
He also said that other religions (Protestants, Buddhists, Muslims, Jews, and even neo-Catholics) are going to hell.
Here is a link to his groups website.
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The thing I don't get is what does all this mean? Who's right, who's wrong? I mean, let's say this guy is right, then there are a vast overwhelming majority of people on the planet today who are going to hell. Is this true? Or even if you think it's not and think you're religion is the right one, that still leaves out a vast majority of the world population and sentences them to doom for not following your religion.
He kept saying that wide is the road to hell but narrow is the road to heaven. And that only a few people actually make it to heaven. He said Jesus said that. So, if his religion (or version of Christianity) is the only right one, then I guess it is really narrow. And if that's the case, then why did God make the decision making process so confusing? I mean, somewhere between taking care of a family, working to put food in my belly and clothing on body, and maintaining some kind of status as a friend to people, I'm supposed to also make the eternal decision of which of the millions of religions to call the right one? And hope I picked it or else?!?!?! And if that's not hard enough, which version of the religion is the correct one? Buddhism v1.1, 1.2, 1.3, 2.0, 2.5. Or maybe Christianity v1.0, 1.1, 1.2 etc. Maybe I should just flip a coin and have a championship hoping God influences the coin toss for me.
He also said that the ONLY way to get into heaven is to follow the teachings of the traditional Catholic church. That means that you have to follow all the practices to the letter. He even went so far as to say that a lot (70% or so) of the translations that the Catholic church uses from Latin to English are wrong and therefore do not work in saving the souls of todays Catholics.
He also said that other religions (Protestants, Buddhists, Muslims, Jews, and even neo-Catholics) are going to hell.
Here is a link to his groups website.
Most Holy Family Monastary
The thing I don't get is what does all this mean? Who's right, who's wrong? I mean, let's say this guy is right, then there are a vast overwhelming majority of people on the planet today who are going to hell. Is this true? Or even if you think it's not and think you're religion is the right one, that still leaves out a vast majority of the world population and sentences them to doom for not following your religion.
He kept saying that wide is the road to hell but narrow is the road to heaven. And that only a few people actually make it to heaven. He said Jesus said that. So, if his religion (or version of Christianity) is the only right one, then I guess it is really narrow. And if that's the case, then why did God make the decision making process so confusing? I mean, somewhere between taking care of a family, working to put food in my belly and clothing on body, and maintaining some kind of status as a friend to people, I'm supposed to also make the eternal decision of which of the millions of religions to call the right one? And hope I picked it or else?!?!?! And if that's not hard enough, which version of the religion is the correct one? Buddhism v1.1, 1.2, 1.3, 2.0, 2.5. Or maybe Christianity v1.0, 1.1, 1.2 etc. Maybe I should just flip a coin and have a championship hoping God influences the coin toss for me.
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I dont think so.
That Priest needs to restudy his doctrine. That's what the Catholic Church thought over 600 years ago when Martin Luther was trying to tell them that half of their doctrine was screwed up beyond all recognition. Hence, the Reformation being born and the term "Protestants" emerging into the world.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
"That is NOT true! I'm right and YOU are going to hell!".
I mean, how the heck am I supposed to pick any of those?
Its the main reason I'm not religious. Every religion does things differently, and if you pick the wrong one, they all clam its Hell for you.
I can only hear "If you don't follow our ways, your going to hell" so many times before I take it with a piece of salt.
Its a lose - lose situation anyway.
He said that the word Protestant means you have turned away from the old traditional teachings of the Catholic Church. And therefore, you are going to hell for not following the practices of Christ perfectly. He also said that in the last 70 years the church has been corrupted by none other than Satan by his own placement of Popes into the head spot of the hierarchy.
In my history class I teach the kids about how Martin Luther saw what he perceived as corruption in the Catholic Church, with all the "buying your way into heaven" and stuff (temperance). But what he was talking about was the church waaaaay before that. The church before the Bible was even written. He said that was the true church of Christ that Jesus established.
To be completely honest, this whole religion thing makes sense to me in the fact that it gives people comfort. Where it loses me is when it becomes an authoritative organization. That breeds corruption. And I don't see how any religion that commits to being an authority can survive thousands of years without being rotted from the inside out. If you were to take that authoritative aspect away and have it focus instead on spiritual growth and comfort then I could see a religion becoming wonderful and fulfilling.
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He said that the word Protestant means you have turned away from the old traditional teachings of the Catholic Church. And therefore, you are going to hell for not following the practices of Christ perfectly. He also said that in the last 70 years the church has been corrupted by none other than Satan by his own placement of Popes into the head spot of the hierarchy.
In my history class I teach the kids about how Martin Luther saw what he perceived as corruption in the Catholic Church, with all the "buying your way into heaven" and stuff (temperance). But what he was talking about was the church waaaaay before that. The church before the Bible was even written. He said that was the true church of Christ that Jesus established.
To be completely honest, this whole religion thing makes sense to me in the fact that it gives people comfort. Where it loses me is when it becomes an authoritative organization. That breeds corruption. And I don't see how any religion that commits to being an authority can survive thousands of years without being rotted from the inside out. If you were to take that authoritative aspect away and have it focus instead on spiritual growth and comfort then I could see a religion becoming wonderful and fulfilling. im glad he has come along and knows the mind of god better than every other religion. i think now ill give up my life of sin as a baptist and follow him jim jones cult style. pass the koolaid were all going home.
Peter was chosen to continue Jesus teaching after he acsended not to create a brand new church and appoint men as god-appointed head of church on Earth. That right there is the opposite of what Jesus had been teaching the entire time he was on Earth.
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Mel Gibson is the member of such a group within the church. No joke.
The Catholic Church, despite what it tries to present, is not entirely unified. There are actually factions within it, some ultra-conservative, and some ultra-liberal. There are priests advocating allowing female clergy, marriage for clergy members, and other notions that people don't normally associate with the Catholic Church.
Before I left, there were quite a number of people, even priests, who believed that non-Catholics, even non-Christians could go to heaven, so long as they were decent enough folk and they were sorry for whatever bad things they did in life. That's excomunication territory not too many years ago.
By the way, they don't do public excoummuncations anymore. They send you word privately. The goal is to not stigmatize you too badly and allow you to repent whatever caused the matter. Or so the old priest told me...
That about sums it up for me.
As a side note, by this guy telling people that they are going to hell, he's commiting a sin...irony?
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Vatican II for example, has changed a lot of old Traditional Catholicism to adapt to the changing times!
plus, in the end, religion and what you believe in is a choice and a way of life!
What? Do you want to go to hell? Never oppose the Catholic church!
My boss at my day job is a Catholic. No, wait, let me rephrase. My boss at my day job is a religious zealot. Much better.
Anyway, he has the same crap drilled so far in his skull he can't see the forest for the trees. If the pope farts it's a blessing from God to him.
I don't have time to rant completely here, maybe I'll blog it someday, but it boils down to this for me:
Nobody is going to hell, regardless of their religion. It's impossible to go someplace that doesn't exist. Hell is a mistranslation of the word Sheol, meaning grave. Interesting fact, bible translators translate the word Sheol in to grave in some spots, but translate it hell in others. Why would they do that? Easy, the word hell originated in the dark ages. It was a hole in the ground used for storing potatoes and roots. Hmm, hole in the ground, grave, sure, let's use them as the same word. The church got a hold of the word and twisted it for centuries until it became a firey dimension where Satan burns with his demons for all time. Messed up, huh?
Also, Peter did start churches. A church was originally a gathering of the community at private houses where they would pass on the word of Christ and discuss his message. The Romans (thus the name the ROMAN Catholic church) did not like the people doing all this without the government's consent. Thus, the Roman government started THE church so that they could maintain control of the people. Guess what? Rome burned, the empire fell, but its government is still around telling people what to do.
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Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Fisrt of all,I wouldn't truste somebody who is called brother Diamond
Secondly, who has given some supernatural being the right to decide who goes to hel hor heaven anyway.
If somebody told me I had to go to hell I would put hell in his big fat **
take what you can but not what isn't yours. "fight to the end and never give your enemy the satisfaction of victory"
Bah Im gonna wear out the link to Pascals Wager if I post it much more.
You cant win.... The best you can hope for is that you do something meaningful while your here because after that your worm food.
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You do realize part of the "old ways" of the Catholic church required people to purchase pennances to be forgiven for their sins. And these funds received were used to finance the crusades. Brother Diamond just wants some Catholic Bling.
As for Catholicism being the only way to heaven, that is not what the Catholic religion believes (for the most part).
As long as you follow the commandments and the Corporal Works of Mercy (this is a list for how to live a good life) then according to the Catholic religion you can go to heaven as long as you have not committed any mortal sins.
Other religions can go to heaven as well. Protestants just believe in different methods than Catholics. Protestants are just a different type of Christianity.
All in all, I personally think it depends on how you live your life, not how you believe.
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Such as the Pope? Remember it was the Pope that excommunicated Martin Luther for disagreeing with this practice (as well as several others).
or better yet, don't join any.
its not really nesacery to be in a religion, you can live well without the rituals, rules, and politics involved.
I for one do not believe in God, the devil, heven, hell, or even sin in general.
I do believe in good and evil, and that a person is born nuteral, and his/her personality, upbringing, and general social behavior define you as either good or evil (or all things in between).
I also believe that evil people are just as important as good people, after all we need one to appericate the other. (but it doesnt give evil people full reign to do as they like, they must be kept in check by good people)
I have never truly believed in god and the like, and science explains creation well enough for me. and the other stuff like ghosts and pharanormal activitys can be explained by the energy of human consciousness (or soul for you religous people) lingering around for unknown reasons....
after all the human brain is freakishly complex who knows how much and what kinds of energys are generated with it.
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