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New Salvage system is a big no-no
sololoco
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Although not many people visit this forums for COV and I can understand why being the games population is near nil I'll post here anyway. The new salvage system sucks, period.
First off, when someone sells something on their auction, buyers DO NOT know what price the buyer is selling their items. How pray-tell do you not know what the seller is asking for? Is this dumb or what? The buyer will have to make an offer and if it happens to be lower then what the seller is asking for he dosen't get it. If it's higher and chances are the buyer will be totally over spending then the seller gets to keep the extra infamy.
Therefore, more times then not you will over-spend for items that aren't worth a small portion of what you just bid. And if you decide to make offers in small amounts so you don't over-spend then be prepared to spend a lot of your gaming time just waiting and waiting for some item not even worth it.
On top of all this, when you do craft any items, the price you need to pay in infamy is way too high. Each and every item charges an arm and a leg for infamy. Infamy is far too expensive and valuable to be throwing away on this dumb system they have there.
While I was there near the trucks that have this system I noticed the very few players that were there were also complaining about this new gimmick but then how can you blame them?
Plus and more importantly, the game has very few players as I've noticed. You barely see anyone, it's like SWG in there. I did go to the other side to COH and I did see a few players unlike CoV. But even this side of COH was very low in population itself, so imagine how bad COV is? t If this new salvage system was made to lure back players then I'm sorry to say it failed miserably.
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You sound bitter. While I am not a fan of crafting being added to the game, I think the AH approach is great. You won't spend more than what you are willing to pay for something. You won't sell something for less than what you want. win/win. Only the AH players will be bothered by this.
I have no problems getting groups.
um, guess you've never been to those auctions where you look at the merchandise, put your bids down and turn them in, and the highest bidders win the items?
not sure what you mean by the price in infamy is way too high. what level are you and what level are you crafting? do you normally sell your SOs to the appropriate vendors? or just for the lowest price you can get? do you even bother to sell anything to get infamy? do you run around in sg mode all the time? do you run around in non-sg mode some?
not sure what server you're on, but i've been pretty much only logging onto one of my MMs and one of my trollers this weekend, and i'm getting plenty of group invites even though i'm never looking for a group.
if you want to complain about the game, gripe about the maps not having enough diversity and the majority of the mobs being gang bangers with different colored tshirts on. my friends and i have been getting what we thought was a TON of invention recipes and invention salvage, along with the normal goodies. just not finding any costume recipes for some reason. of course, only one of our little group has been bothering to even look at the auction house, since we're having fun exploring some new areas and trading invention goodies back and forth.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
What? the Auctioning system is the best i've seen yet, you pay what you want, and you get what you want..
As for having no players? i see other players all the time, and this in all the areas, low-, mid- and high-level. What server are you playing on? perhaps try switching to one of the more populated ones? freedom for an example. And as for infamy, i never played outside of VG-mode, and i still have plenty infamy to go, especially with the blackmarket now, i have about 50mill inf, and still going strong.
As of now CoX still have around 150k active subscribtions ( source )
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I do not like the AH system either.
...and as for your comment above.
The economy is shot. I saw prices of individual costume recipes that actually sold for 38 to 49 million influance each (this was CoH Virtue server).
So you aren't as wealthy as you thought, if you ever plan to shop at the AH.
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That is, if i plan on buying costume-parts, anything else is easily buyable with my amount of infamy
oh, and the auctionhouse is cross-server 
so the price is the same no matter what server you play on ^^
And give the system awhile to fall in, and you'll see the prices will drop, once the fanatic ones has gotten their bonewings and rocketboots and what not
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I don't have CoV or CoH, but it sounds like FFXI's auction system. The seller puts an item up for a minimum price. The buyer than bids an offer. I actually prefer this type of system to that of anything else out there. For one, it allows players to play the market really easily. I can't tell you how many times I found a really expensive item really cheap because the seller put an item up really cheap(if more than 1 of the same item are up for auction, the cheapest will be the first to sell) thinking a buyer would bid what the item was really worth. Granted, in FFXI, the system worked because items couldn't be customized really(items were listed only once). Now, I could see something like this not working well in lets say SWG were the same item could have different stats and other nuances about it that make Gun X different from another Gun X so every item needs to be listed seperately. In this case, I would find it very annoying.
As a side tip: If you find that an item might be too expensive, just don't buy it. Eventually the seller will reduce his price.
The thing I'm saying is how can you try to buy or sell an item when you have no idea whatsoever how much it goes for or even what price range? You're going in totally blind so how is this a win/win situation?
You need an item but you don't know what to bid being you can't see it's price. So you either over bid and wind up getting suckered over-paying a lot more then it's worth or you under bid and you don't get anything, period. You don't see this as being stupid?
Or you can bid a little at a time so you don't wind up wasting and over spending infamy but then you waste lots of time waiting to see if in fact you're even close to whatever price the item is going for. I don't know but this just doesn't make much sense to me. I don't have the time, the patience or the inclination to over-pay some lackey because I didn't know the correct price or price range, how can you?
This is in no way a win/win situation. More like you'll get shafted each time unless you're lucky to guess the right price on items which is doubtful considering most players will ask for way more then its current value.
For instance: I decided to give it a shot so I checked out the recipes I've gotten and there is one that I need just one item to make. So I looked for it on the Black Market and I found it. It asks how much I want to bid for it. I don't know and I certainly don't want to overbid on something that may not be worth a small portion of what I bid being I don't know. On the other hand if I underbid then I won't get it and I will of wasted my time on this. So please tell me how is this a win/win situation?
If anything it's a big waste of time. Plus as I stated the recipes cost six figures to make at the start of level 40. This is alot to pay for one recipe you most likely can't use or won't use. Is this not a waste? I think so.
If I decide to stay playing being atm I'm bored with no game worth playing I won't deal with this salvage system. I'll just tell those around me to send me orders of what they want and if I have it I'll sell it to them for a few infamy and thats it, no wasted time on this ridiculous system.
I'm at the Justice server and I can tell you there's not too many people here. At CoH I saw a few by Atlas where they usually hang out at but there weren't that many either but more so then CoV.
Ok Rwyan,
So players will put something up for sale for very cheap being they don't think someone will pay more for it like you wrote. So how is this win/win like the other guy stated? In this case the seller which may be you yourself loses out or the buyer loses if he over-bids and again the buyer may be you yourself too.
Definitely not a winning situation for anyone.
I don't really play CoX anymore but I just wanted to add in that I wish most auctions in game used this system.
I can see where you are coming from Solo because you feel you are being jipped as a buyer or a seller but that is all in the eye of the beholder.
The thing is do not offer more infamy than you think an item is worth. And sell stuff at a price you would be happy making if you get paid higher you make out if someone buys at your bid price then you got what you wanted anyways. if it never sells maybe you have it up to high.
Another thing about MMOs is just talking with other players. Find out what they think an item is worth or ask your friend how much they sell such and such for.
There really is nothing that can change your mind on your perception of things but really the only reason you are feeling that it is stupid is because you think someone else may be buying or selling higher than you and you don't know but really the system allows for you to place the value on items.
I believe the free trial ended last night or early this morning. Currently, I have a level 40 MM, a 38 Hero, a 18 Stalker and a few others of lower levels which I can use to play but I don't think I will return to this game at this time.
I remember having read in the past how the servers of the Villains side had dwindled down drastically and now I saw it for myself to be true. The CoH also has gone down a lot but not as much as the Villains. The Salvage system although ridiculous in my view isn't the reason for not re-opening my account again. So, like many others here, I'm still searching for something worthwhile to play again.
What a bummer. I just found out that they reactivated accounts through sunday this morning. I really want to check out the salvage system and haven't the money to activate the account at the moment. Kinda sad that Cryptic didn't send an email letting me know that they were activating accounts for the weekend. In 3 years this is the first time I've never gotten an email for something like this, and the first thing I've been truelly looking forward to in CoH in quite some time. Oh well.
Edit: I'm wondering if MMORPG.com is planning to do a write up on issue 9 now that it's live. Or do we only get articles on games in developement and editorial pieces.
With regard to your question above, which I highlighted, you can see what the items are selling for. You just find the I like item, to that which you plan to sell or even buy. Once you've found the item, click the item icon and you can see the sales history for that item. You'll then be able to see the prices that the item has actually been sold for over the past few weeks.
"Don't corpse-camp that idea. Its never gonna rez"
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As for the rest of this thread, you're pretty much saying you need to be told what something is worth to you. You know what the last 5 sales were, you know what the store will pay, you know what the item can do for you, and you know how much cash you have. How is that not enough to make a decision? CoH didn't invent the blind auction, and you're never paying more, or getting less, then you're willing to. This setup just allows bonuses for fast people.
The beauty of the system is that prices tend toward the middle anyway. The lowest offer is matched up with the highest bid, leaving the "middle" items and offers left for the next person. So if you have no idea what something is worth, put it up for 10 inf. If there's a bid out there for a million, you get it.
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Don't worry about the free trial as it was rather short. I got mine with just a few days left on it. I don't know if they sent it with just a few days of free play only or I just got mine late for whatever reasons. I just had 3-4 days only which just ended.
One thing though, usually when a game runs a free trial like this one did and Auto Assault did recently, you see lots of players at the free trial time. AA which doesn't have many players during it's regular runs had a nice population during the trial but not CoV. I didn't see that many players during this trial and I know some of the few that were there, were there because of the trial. Afterwards it's probably even more empty as many have now left due to the trial coming to an end.
At first I react in a similar way as you do. But now, I love it and wouldn't go back to old system such as in EQ or WoW.
Let's me help you understand it a little better:
- You don't have to buy NOW! If you want it NOW, then yes, you will prolly pay a lot more. But if for any reason you think an object is worth 5000, or don't have more to spent, you leave the offer and the next time you check (hours or days later), you may have buyed it.
- You see the last 5 trades, although it may be misguiding sometimes, it can give you a quick idea about what prices players ask/sell for.
- You don't complains at the salvage, but at the black market. Not the same.
- Salvages are not worth more then 100k, yet there is a temporary inflation that will fade as time pass by. ATM I see salvages sold for 10 millions, this is funny...no salvage is worth more then 100k, the prices will drop. The recipies and the final enhancements are worth much, not the salvages.
- This system is awesome since it remove money from the game (5% of the price you ask when you sell, and 10% of the final transaction). Newbies will come in and be able to join a game where inflation is controlled.
I agree, it is harder to understand then some systems...but BIDS system are just great. You don't have to buy it NOW! Most of the time, you do that before logging off...you can claims your purchases the next day. An object is worth what someone want to pay for. This system is designed so the richs hardcore lose all their money and the casuals benefit from it. Casuals that are well thinked and patient can benefit a LOT from it.
I will pinpoint a few flaws in the current system:
- Harder to understand, peoples are not used to BIDS and waiting...you can wait till the next day to get it...
- Phat fingers that add a 0 is bad. Players should not spent 10 times what they want to by mistake. They need to make it EASY to avoid making such a mistake.
- The lag when you open WW or the Black Market...and it doesn't always leave...since the I9, I lag much more then I used to.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
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The EU has nowhere near the same amounf of inf floating around in game as the US so all the good items earned in the EU and listed on the AH are being bought up by US players, leaving the EU game even poorer!
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Actually, that makes no logical sense. On a per server basis, drops are infinite but the influence pool is relatively static. Perhaps the EU players will wait a bit longer to snag cool recipes but that's inclusive of the respective server. On the other hand, with inter-server trading, any European drop sold to a US player actually introduces a vast amount of new money to that European server while they (the Eu server population) still have access to infinte drops.
The reality is that the EU game can only get richer!
Something better then that could have been done...like SPACING numbers every 3 digits.
1000000 isn't clear at first spot.
1 000 000, now everyone know it is 1 million.
Spacing between 3 digits would be a LOT better then an annoying confirm. Or having a BUTTON that adds the 3 zero for you, so you can't enter more then 3 digist yourself, then you have a button for million, thousand and billions. (clicking that button must add the zeros so it is visible and not sneaky)
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
I dunno, a confirm slow the game pacing...and it is annoying. Millions transit by a lot, so having ten confirm more per day, that is kinda annoying. Rather have another option.
The confirm can be there, but I rather have another option, it is really annoying and although better then nothing, I rather have something that enhance my speed, not slow it, while making it safe and clear.
The idea is to speed the game, while making it clearer. A confirm is the last resort if you can't figure a nice way, can be an extra net, but it should not be the main way to clear that. A space between each 3 digits would work extremely well IMO. Anyway, just giving idea...but the confirm represent a slight upgrade, while 3 digits split by a space would really do it for me.
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