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good guys against NPC's?
Ealdorman
Member Posts: 67
Havn't really set myself into the rules of lotro, but i find it sad that there is no bad guys to play.
Sure, i can RP a bad lore-master or a lousy champion, but i fail to see the fun.
Wake me up when i can roll Uruk'hai.
Sure, i can RP a bad lore-master or a lousy champion, but i fail to see the fun.
Wake me up when i can roll Uruk'hai.
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If you dont understand what i write, ask a damn question instead of going into autoflaming-mode.
And dont read in stuff between the lines, i say what i mean.
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If you dont understand what i write, ask a damn question instead of going into autoflaming-mode.
And dont read in stuff between the lines, i say what i mean.
www.lotro.com/article/313
I miss DAoC
www.lotro.com/article/313
I think you missed his point, Jackdog. The OP wants the game to be like every other MMO where you can play the 'evil' character, like Horde, or the 'evil' dark elves in VG, or the 'evil' trolls in EQ, or the 'evil' races in DAoC, or the 'evil' ad nauseum......
He doesn't want the unique, and fairly creative system of monster play.
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www.lotro.com/article/313
I think you missed his point, Jackdog. The OP wants the game to be like every other MMO where you can play the 'evil' character, like Horde, or the 'evil' dark elves in VG, or the 'evil' trolls in EQ, or the 'evil' races in DAoC, or the 'evil' ad nauseum......
He doesn't want the unique, and fairly creative system of monster play.
That's right - it's not a flaw, it's a feature...
1. Yes you can. Its called Monster play. Is it the traditional MMO experience? No, its new and its innovative. I guess you didn't play your "bad lore-master" or "lousy champion" long enough to unlock monster play or even try it. It is a lot of fun.
2. You honestly do not understand "bad guys" in the LOTRO universe. Go read the books and understand Sauron's control over the mind of the Uruk'hai and goblins and you will know why you can't. Oh yeah, that's right - if they allowed you to play a bad guy, I guess you would be here omplaining that they destroyed the world and ruined the books. Am I right?
Some people can never be happy I guess.
Actually I would be happy if they just opened one server where it was possible. I say lore be damned Im more interested in the fun that could be had. If you didnt want to play on it you wouldnt have to that is your freedom to choose in action. I for one would just love to have the option.
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Well...Sauron's control over the "evil" races was not absolute. In the novels, Saruman (the wizard that flips and goes evil) was not working for Sauron, even though he pretended to be. The movies kinda twisted that one a bit. Saruman wanted the ring for himself, as in his mind, he was the only one with a strong enough will to use it powers "only for good". All of his troops were loyal to him, not Sauron. So it would be plausable, lore-wise, to have the "evil" races.
Maybe it will be something that can be added in later. I could see it being a really interesting dynamic if all the evil PCs were working for Saruman. Fighting against the good races, and pretending to help Sauron while still furthering their own agenda.
Well then all u guys diying to play with an "evil" toon go back and play whatever ur used to play and leave LOTRO alone....
If u don't bear the fact that U CAN'T, even when u can go monsterplay, seriously dude... go play WoW or some of the old boring with no history, grinding...etc, mmorpg out there.
i assure u guys ther's a lot of crappy mmorpgs with "evil" races out there. LEAVE THE LORE ALONE!, if u don't undertand it, try to, do not try to destroy it just because u wanted to play with a bad guy *booohooo*.
Srry to flame u but is kinda ironic when something get bombed just by ignorance.
If they allowed Evil races the compromises that they would have had to make would
have sent the Lore Police into overdrive.
If you have to play an Evil race, then wait for WAR.
OK labg11, seriously, you need to take a step back and calm down a little.
I personally don't care if they ever include evil races or not. I'm not a big fan of PvP, and genreally like being the hero, not the bad guy. But, as I pointed out, you can't use Lore as a justification for why it would ruin everything if Turbine were to allow it. The closest you could come to that would be to say that none of the novels ever dealt with the the evil side (which is also not really true, as there are several passages that are written from the perspective of an evil character).
If someone wants to play that way, its not better or worse that how you want to play. Right now, the game does not offer that choice of playstyle. It may or may not in the future, as Turbine decides. But there is never a justification for attacking someone else because they want something that does not appeal to you.
But the lore point is that LOTR is told exclusively from the perspective of the "good". It is a story about the good people and how the good triumphs over the evil. It is not a story that is subtle or "grey" in its portrayals of this, it is a story that refuses to have "sympathy for devil", really, and refuses to tell the story from a perspective that is sympathetic to the evil side. In order to have characters be raised from 0-50, you would need an entire set of areas, quests, storylines and so forth that re-interpret the War of the Rings era from the evil perspective, from a perspective that is sympathetic to the evil point of view, and that *right there* goes against the lore. Saruman is, at best, a tragic figure in the lore, not one that readers are intended to sympathize with. Creating a whole universe that is sympathetic to the evil side of the story would, in itself, be lore-breaking because the Red Book of Westmarch only tells the story from one side (and that decision was, of course, very deliberate by the author).
This is why you get a robust game, cut out as many options or choices as possible and the game play is easy to test and fix.
If you introduce choices, testing explodes in scale because of the number of "variables".
It is one of many reason why I won't play LOTR but needless to say a big one for me personally that you can't play evil races (or hobbits with furry feet).
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www.lotro.com/article/313
I think you missed his point, Jackdog. The OP wants the game to be like every other MMO where you can play the 'evil' character, like Horde, or the 'evil' dark elves in VG, or the 'evil' trolls in EQ, or the 'evil' races in DAoC, or the 'evil' ad nauseum......
He doesn't want the unique, and fairly creative system of monster play.
as i stated, brainy, i havnt set myself into the rules, ergo, i didnt know about the "monster-play".if you had been a tiny bit nicer and just stated "hey, theres a monster-play" wher you can play an Uruk", then i would have thought of you as a nice guy.
Now your just one of these flamers, never unique in any sence.
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If you dont understand what i write, ask a damn question instead of going into autoflaming-mode.
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Monster Play is Awesome. If you havnt' tried it, and are curious about the game, find a buddy key, get to lvl 10, and try it out.
I don't think monster play is the end all for evil PC races. I still think one of there boxed expansions should add evil playable races.
Doesn't follow the lore? BS. Evil Humans, Evil Dunedane, Goblins ( No goblins are not mindless drones of sauron, read the hobbit) Trolls, Evil Dwarfs, Entwives. Morgoth brought variation to the song, or evil to Middle Earth. His evil creations have minds of there own, and continued to exsist long after he was removed from the world. All the orcs and goblins dieing in Mordor when the ring was destroyed was not the black crow that proved this supposed toilken lore. There were battles raging all over middle earth when the ring finally was unmade, and not all the goblins, orcs, trolls dematerialized when it did.
Don't you recall references to the Lonely Mountain, Thorin Oakenshields kin, allying with the men of dale? and i'm not talking about the battle of five armys, dale and dains folk weren't allied then, they were combatants for the dragons booty.
So yes you can play a goblin now, No you can't level one up, and get lots of weird sharp objects to tape to your armor.
Yes i would like to see them add such races in the future. Somthing to look forward too.
Is LOTRO less of a game cause there arn't evil playable races from the start? Absolutly not, that craving can be filled in small amounts in monster play.
But Monster play is not the experience some of us Evil lovers are looking for. We need more substance, gear, evil quests, and evil classes.
I'm content to play in the monster arena till that day.
Kazer
"Baning Smokers from public places is like baning people from water who like to pee."
to sum things up i am all for orcs in the future of lord of the rings online
MMO wish list:
-Changeable worlds
-Solid non level based game
-Sharks with lasers attached to their heads
You also earn destiiy points on your "Good" PC. I have heard of people wasting destiny points on temporary boost to running speed. I am saving mine to make my monster better.
If you haven't really played Monster Play against live Freeps, then you haven't been able to really experience it.
Just wait until enough people hit 50 and get bored and start fighting against the Monsters. Then it will get fun.
so what you are suggesting just would not work i mean so do they add playable orcs that you can take into the world and dominate it?.... it just did not happen and because they are working of a true legends lore than it will not happen you can not take a masterpiece and just splash stuff around on it because you dont like it.. it is not yours so you just leave it be and that is what Turbine IMO is doing they are staying true to the lore. So for Turbine to add these features can not call it LOTRO so i am with the other lad and if ya really want to be evil then wait for WAR but by all means try MP it is a bit of fun and as far as i am aware when main TOONs (good) reach the lvl 50 mark then you will be able to use ya orc against them (just want to add that i have only heard this and am not entirely sure to it's truth)
I miss DAoC
True, but my point is that the posters in this thread who are advocating the inclusion of evil playable and levelable races are denying the reality that this just isn't in the cards for this game.
All the people who are saying evil playable races should not, will not be in the game at some point in the future have limited perspective.
This games only going to be out for 2 years? Maybe 2 expansions then pack it up and go home?
Add Valinor, or the South Lands with the Nomad Hillmen based on a couple pages of vague "lore"?
I mean common, don't limit your vision for the future, its fun to dream and dreams can come true.
Kazer
"Baning Smokers from public places is like baning people from water who like to pee."
MMO wish list:
-Changeable worlds
-Solid non level based game
-Sharks with lasers attached to their heads