What kind of an empty, kneejerk reaction is that? Of course it's "just my opinion".
Hell, even the colour of my socks is "just my opinion', because everyone perceives reality differently.
People who like the game are welcome to, I'm not trying to convince anyone. And I am no longer paying
for the game, just posting my opinion. That is, after all, what these forums are for.
What kind of empty knee jerk reaction is that. I was just stating my opinion of your opinion, don't like my opinion of your opinion too damn bad . That's what these forums are for..
....and COX just doesn't have the depth to convince me to come back...and there is nothing else really on the market which enthuses me.
hehe CoX has way more content and depth then LotR, plus has great character models, unlike this game, and is equally as well put together.
What is dosent have though is a well known IP to suck in the sheep.
Honestly, in a straight up 'Top Trumps' contest between LotR and just about any other current major MMORPG, LotR would lose. It's only high score would be 'Stability: 8'... It's just supported by a truck load of hyped up casual players right now who are suffering from a case of the Emporer's new clothes, until the next shiny game comes along.
Cox content was many, and majority instanced, and very much the same runs no matter what level. I can't tell you how many different IceBreaker (Think that was his name) Quest I ran through in different location.
What makes LotrO distinctive in my opinion is that there is rarely a repeat in instanced content. Even though the quest run through the Great Barrows, they all seem to open up new and deeper areas of the dungeon.
Cox never gave me that and found CoX very repetitive after 3 months of solid game play. every caved instance in Cox was identical in how the cave looked, and after 100 runs though them it just was old , way to fast. Even when you ran trow a sewer , a cave or snake hole, it all was pretty much the same. I loved the game though, it had great animations and some of the most fantastic speciall effects , but the content of the game itself is what burned me out in CoX (get your minds out of the gutter) .
The main thing lacking in depth is the game system itself, rather than the pure story based content.
By this I mean that:
- Combat is extremely monotonous and completely unchallenging.
- Character customisation is virtually non-existent -and before anyone brings up titles, traits and so on, they mean very little-.
- The cities are bland and static.
- The game world is on the small side.
- Npc's either say nothing at all or bombard you with uninspired chunks of quest related text. The writing style is of course a matter of taste, but I find it to read more like an article than a LotR story.
Thank you for making points. My reply to them follow:
-Combat is extremely monotonous? erm, all combat in all MMORPG's become repetitious. All games have a grind where you must sit there and kill the same thing over and over again. It can be challenging if you want it to be. No reason you cant get a party and go to the really high level areas and have fun there.
-Character customization is a bit lacking, i'll agree, but all MMORPG's are like this. This one especially because it has to fit into a specific mold. Elves need to look like Elves and Human's need to look like Human's.
-I guess bland can be subjective here but not sure what you mean by static. Do you mean you cant interact with various things? I've not played a LOT of MMORPG's but i've played quite a few and I don't know of one that doesn't have some nature of being "static"
-I cant debate this as i've not traveled the entire world yet but i have traveled some.
-The NPC's that give you quests read as quests as much as WoW does or GW does or 9Dragons. Those are side quests and aren't supposed to be intertwined with the main storyline much, if at all. If i understand your "like an article" part like I think i do. You mean how it tells you where you need to go?
Erm, also, minor edit here... you never told me how long you have played LOTR: Online.
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Well, this thread is apparently supposed to be about the voting on this site, so I'll restrict my comments to that.
I could not care less about the vote results here, since they're pretty much worthless, because:
A. People are obviously voting all 10's, presumably to offset the people who are obviously voting all 0's. I don't care it that causes the result to balance out somehow in the end; the fact remains that no game merits either a 10 (meaning that it's absolutely perfect) or a 0.
B. Too many people vote down every other game on the list, just to make sure their own favorite stays at the top. This is about the lamest thing I've ever seen, and completely invalidates anything else that might be good about the whole voting system.
I, personally, think LotRO is about the corniest piece of pablum out there, but I still gave it an 8.
The main thing lacking in depth is the game system itself, rather than the pure story based content.
By this I mean that:
- Combat is extremely monotonous and completely unchallenging.
- Character customisation is virtually non-existent -and before anyone brings up titles, traits and so on, they mean very little-.
- The cities are bland and static.
- The game world is on the small side.
- Npc's either say nothing at all or bombard you with uninspired chunks of quest related text. The writing style is of course a matter of taste, but I find it to read more like an article than a LotR story.
I had 50% less combat moves in Lineage 2. All you did in that game was use soulshots and do like 3 different skill moves. Vanguard I had 1 skill that just got leveled every few levels, Ryzom was probably the only real dynamic skill system to date , and frankly it was to much for me to handle
LotRO gives me more in a comfy way , but some people don't like comfy, they like to be sitting on beds of nails and frowning at the computer screen saying "dude " and the other guy is sayinf "omfg you got pwnd ! NOOB"
What kind of an empty, kneejerk reaction is that? Of course it's "just my opinion".
Hell, even the colour of my socks is "just my opinion', because everyone perceives reality differently.
People who like the game are welcome to, I'm not trying to convince anyone. And I am no longer paying
for the game, just posting my opinion. That is, after all, what these forums are for.
What kind of empty knee jerk reaction is that. I was just stating my opinion of your opinion, don't like my opinion of your opinion too damn bad . That's what these forums are for..
"You need to just get over yourself Spanky, don't like it then don't play it."
This has little to do with my opinion on the game, wouldn't you say?
AC (retired); EQ (retired); DAoC (retired); Horizons (retired); EQII (retired); CoH (retired); AC II (tested); Lineage II (beta); Neocron (tested); Saga of Ryzom (beta); SWG (retired)...
It is not a question of what makes a good MMO or not. Instead it is a question of is the game fun to play? The answer is yes for many people. We enjoy playing the game so we give it ratings to match. I'm not going to play a game based on how revolutionary or "good" the game design is - no, I'm going to play a game based on how much I enjoy the time I spend with it. I very much enjoy my time with LotRO.
Thank you for making points. My reply to them follow:
-Combat is extremely monotonous? erm, all combat in all MMORPG's become repetitious. All games have a grind where you must sit there and kill the same thing over and over again. It can be challenging if you want it to be. No reason you cant get a party and go to the really high level areas and have fun there.
-Character customization is a bit lacking, i'll agree, but all MMORPG's are like this. This one especially because it has to fit into a specific mold. Elves need to look like Elves and Human's need to look like Human's.
-I guess bland can be subjective here but not sure what you mean by static. Do you mean you cant interact with various things? I've not played a LOT of MMORPG's but i've played quite a few and I don't know of one that doesn't have some nature of being "static"
-I cant debate this as i've not traveled the entire world yet but i have traveled some.
-The NPC's that give you quests read as quests as much as WoW does or GW does or 9Dragons. Those are side quests and aren't supposed to be intertwined with the main storyline much, if at all. If i understand your "like an article" part like I think i do. You mean how it tells you where you need to go?
Erm, also, minor edit here... you never told me how long you have played LOTR: Online.
- Of course all combat in MMORPG's suffers from tedium. What makes one better than the other is the varity of "moves", the pace of combat, the general difficulty, the animation, ... Personally, I find all of these things lacking in the game.
- Elves need to look like elves. But I'm sure you will agree that doesn't mean all Elves need to look exactly alike. Besides, I'm also referring to character development.
- Bland is indeed highly subjective and of course every game has static elements. My overall negative opinion of LotRO does not exhonorate other games. By static cities in this case, I mainly mean the lay-out and the immobil, silent npc's.
- I didn't travel all over the world either, but enough to find it rather small.
- Haven't played WoW and am not a big fan of GW. The main storyline is pretty much cast in stone, as it has already been written and published for many, many years now. In that aspect, nearly all quests are side-quests. The writing style reminds me of articles in the sense that they haven't been written with much literary attention. But I must say, I am a writer myself and thus perhaps overly critical of this.
- I played in beta and a little over a week after release.
AC (retired); EQ (retired); DAoC (retired); Horizons (retired); EQII (retired); CoH (retired); AC II (tested); Lineage II (beta); Neocron (tested); Saga of Ryzom (beta); SWG (retired)...
It is not a question of what makes a good MMO or not. Instead it is a question of is the game fun to play? The answer is yes for many people. We enjoy playing the game so we give it ratings to match. I'm not going to play a game based on how revolutionary or "good" the game design is - no, I'm going to play a game based on how much I enjoy the time I spend with it. I very much enjoy my time with LotRO.
Hairy, we might never see eye to eye on this game, but you argue a good case and your posts are amusing
I'm thinking your probably right that we'll never see eye to eye on this game. I rarely agree'd with your opinion, but, as a result of our conversation, I have grown to respect it.
Ok, After reading 9 pages of this nonsense, I have come to this conclusion. I will not be playing Lord of the Rings : Online®.
Seems to me this game is only for Tolkin fans, who want to be hobbitses fat stupid hobbitses. Seriously the books are awesome, the movies rank in the top trilogy series of all time. However after listening to players bleh on this and that, you have 2 sides here.
1. WoW, EQ2, DAoC, AO, UO, list goes on forever gamers, who have played the games and know MMO's and state that this game is nothing new just the same old same old in a world built for hobbits, dwarves, elves, and good ol humans to march off to mount doom and marvel about where the ring fell.
2. Lord of the Rings fans who really want to go see where the ring fell, and will argue till doomsday about how awesome and great the game is cause its so stable and well built on release, when really what they mean to say is, its cool guys I'm off to see where Frodo and Sam laid in bed and giggled like school girls... and after that I want to see where the ring fell.
Personally I am going to believe the true gamers of the world and not the Tolkin fans on this games fun factor. It's the same with any cult following. They could make a Scooby Doo MMORPG tomorrow and low and behold you would have 1million scooby doo fans defending a game that is complete nonsense for me to even post much less make, about how great it is and stable, when actually they just mean pssst. I like scooby doo, so i'm going to play scooby doo, deal with it.
PS : Cheers to all the Lord of the Ring fans out there and I hope you take a nice screenshot of where the ring fell, I'm going to personally just hold on to the great memories the movie left and leave it at that.
PSS : yes my post is just as stupid and redundant as the other 9 pages so do not bother blasting it with a ton of shit, will only make you seem even more desperate to defend your right to march to the mountain and take a screenshot.
OH! the topic!!! I just thought I should add. The game is at the top of the list as it should be, It's brand new and has a cult following equal to that of Star Wars and so on. If you will go back to Star Wars Galaxies first and initial release on MMORPG.com you will find what! SAY IT ISN'T SO... SWG #1.... few years later and we ALL know how SWG ended.... burned like a meteorite entering earth's atmosphere.... same place Lord of the Rings will be this time next year.... so let them stay number 1 and enjoy it while it last.
Nay mate, why blasting? You base your opinion on this thread and that's just fine if it suits you. Yet I beg to differ greatly from your conclusions.
Neither of what you said is correct or possible for that matter. Bottom line is the same as for any game: It is what you make out of it.
I read a lot of vigor between the lines of your post and based on your choice of words. That leaves me wonder on the how and why as you didn't play nor do plan to play? Yet jump to conclusion so easily by simply this thread. Taking all this out of the post as that IS what you said and my base of information.
Regardless it is a quite uninformed statement and as I said above it is just fine if it suits you and you want to give that image and second the game is what you make out of it. Yes, I'm repeating myself but that doesn't render it less true.
if its not a good mmo....then why do so many people like the game? why would people give it good ratings? hmmm.... I'm pretty sure that mmorpg voters know what a good mmo is.... they play the game & they enjoy it, just because you don't like it, doesn't mean everyone else has to feel the same way, after all, we do have our own opinions.
personally, Ithought it was one of the better mmos that I've ever played
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hehe CoX has way more content and depth then LotR, plus has great character models, unlike this game, and is equally as well put together.
What is dosent have though is a well known IP to suck in the sheep.
Honestly, in a straight up 'Top Trumps' contest between LotR and just about any other current major MMORPG, LotR would lose. It's only high score would be 'Stability: 8'... It's just supported by a truck load of hyped up casual players right now who are suffering from a case of the Emporer's new clothes, until the next shiny game comes along.
Cox content was many, and majority instanced, and very much the same runs no matter what level. I can't tell you how many different IceBreaker (Think that was his name) Quest I ran through in different location.What makes LotrO distinctive in my opinion is that there is rarely a repeat in instanced content. Even though the quest run through the Great Barrows, they all seem to open up new and deeper areas of the dungeon.
Cox never gave me that and found CoX very repetitive after 3 months of solid game play. every caved instance in Cox was identical in how the cave looked, and after 100 runs though them it just was old , way to fast. Even when you ran trow a sewer , a cave or snake hole, it all was pretty much the same. I loved the game though, it had great animations and some of the most fantastic speciall effects , but the content of the game itself is what burned me out in CoX (get your minds out of the gutter) .
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-Combat is extremely monotonous? erm, all combat in all MMORPG's become repetitious. All games have a grind where you must sit there and kill the same thing over and over again. It can be challenging if you want it to be. No reason you cant get a party and go to the really high level areas and have fun there.
-Character customization is a bit lacking, i'll agree, but all MMORPG's are like this. This one especially because it has to fit into a specific mold. Elves need to look like Elves and Human's need to look like Human's.
-I guess bland can be subjective here but not sure what you mean by static. Do you mean you cant interact with various things? I've not played a LOT of MMORPG's but i've played quite a few and I don't know of one that doesn't have some nature of being "static"
-I cant debate this as i've not traveled the entire world yet but i have traveled some.
-The NPC's that give you quests read as quests as much as WoW does or GW does or 9Dragons. Those are side quests and aren't supposed to be intertwined with the main storyline much, if at all. If i understand your "like an article" part like I think i do. You mean how it tells you where you need to go?
Erm, also, minor edit here... you never told me how long you have played LOTR: Online.
EVE - Sharvala
FFXI - Shazamalicious
Guild Wars - Xavier Lucifer & Charlize the Necro
"Ranged...stuck...tree...15 random words... suck... noob fanboy... I MAKE GUIDE!"
Well, this thread is apparently supposed to be about the voting on this site, so I'll restrict my comments to that.
I could not care less about the vote results here, since they're pretty much worthless, because:
A. People are obviously voting all 10's, presumably to offset the people who are obviously voting all 0's. I don't care it that causes the result to balance out somehow in the end; the fact remains that no game merits either a 10 (meaning that it's absolutely perfect) or a 0.
B. Too many people vote down every other game on the list, just to make sure their own favorite stays at the top. This is about the lamest thing I've ever seen, and completely invalidates anything else that might be good about the whole voting system.
I, personally, think LotRO is about the corniest piece of pablum out there, but I still gave it an 8.
LotRO gives me more in a comfy way , but some people don't like comfy, they like to be sitting on beds of nails and frowning at the computer screen saying "dude
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"You need to just get over yourself Spanky, don't like it then don't play it."
This has little to do with my opinion on the game, wouldn't you say?
AC (retired); EQ (retired); DAoC (retired); Horizons (retired); EQII (retired); CoH (retired); AC II (tested); Lineage II (beta); Neocron (tested); Saga of Ryzom (beta); SWG (retired)...
- Elves need to look like elves. But I'm sure you will agree that doesn't mean all Elves need to look exactly alike. Besides, I'm also referring to character development.
- Bland is indeed highly subjective and of course every game has static elements. My overall negative opinion of LotRO does not exhonorate other games. By static cities in this case, I mainly mean the lay-out and the immobil, silent npc's.
- I didn't travel all over the world either, but enough to find it rather small.
- Haven't played WoW and am not a big fan of GW. The main storyline is pretty much cast in stone, as it has already been written and published for many, many years now. In that aspect, nearly all quests are side-quests. The writing style reminds me of articles in the sense that they haven't been written with much literary attention. But I must say, I am a writer myself and thus perhaps overly critical of this.
- I played in beta and a little over a week after release.
AC (retired); EQ (retired); DAoC (retired); Horizons (retired); EQII (retired); CoH (retired); AC II (tested); Lineage II (beta); Neocron (tested); Saga of Ryzom (beta); SWG (retired)...
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Seems to me this game is only for Tolkin fans, who want to be hobbitses fat stupid hobbitses. Seriously the books are awesome, the movies rank in the top trilogy series of all time. However after listening to players bleh on this and that, you have 2 sides here.
1. WoW, EQ2, DAoC, AO, UO, list goes on forever gamers, who have played the games and know MMO's and state that this game is nothing new just the same old same old in a world built for hobbits, dwarves, elves, and good ol humans to march off to mount doom and marvel about where the ring fell.
2. Lord of the Rings fans who really want to go see where the ring fell, and will argue till doomsday about how awesome and great the game is cause its so stable and well built on release, when really what they mean to say is, its cool guys I'm off to see where Frodo and Sam laid in bed and giggled like school girls... and after that I want to see where the ring fell.
Personally I am going to believe the true gamers of the world and not the Tolkin fans on this games fun factor. It's the same with any cult following. They could make a Scooby Doo MMORPG tomorrow and low and behold you would have 1million scooby doo fans defending a game that is complete nonsense for me to even post much less make, about how great it is and stable, when actually they just mean pssst. I like scooby doo, so i'm going to play scooby doo, deal with it.
PS : Cheers to all the Lord of the Ring fans out there and I hope you take a nice screenshot of where the ring fell, I'm going to personally just hold on to the great memories the movie left and leave it at that.
PSS : yes my post is just as stupid and redundant as the other 9 pages so do not bother blasting it with a ton of shit, will only make you seem even more desperate to defend your right to march to the mountain and take a screenshot.
OH! the topic!!! I just thought I should add. The game is at the top of the list as it should be, It's brand new and has a cult following equal to that of Star Wars and so on. If you will go back to Star Wars Galaxies first and initial release on MMORPG.com you will find what! SAY IT ISN'T SO... SWG #1.... few years later and we ALL know how SWG ended.... burned like a meteorite entering earth's atmosphere.... same place Lord of the Rings will be this time next year.... so let them stay number 1 and enjoy it while it last.
Neither of what you said is correct or possible for that matter. Bottom line is the same as for any game: It is what you make out of it.
I read a lot of vigor between the lines of your post and based on your choice of words. That leaves me wonder on the how and why as you didn't play nor do plan to play? Yet jump to conclusion so easily by simply this thread. Taking all this out of the post as that IS what you said and my base of information.
Regardless it is a quite uninformed statement and as I said above it is just fine if it suits you and you want to give that image and second the game is what you make out of it. Yes, I'm repeating myself but that doesn't render it less true.
I know that its uninspired and well, a WoW clone.
However, it is still highly polished, fun to play and I see it just getting better down the road.
-Game List-
LOTRO - currently playing
Travian - currently playing
WoW - 1yr - Quit
FFXI - 5mth. - Quit
SWG - 3mth. - Quit
Rappelz - 2mth - Retired
Space Cowboy - 2mth - Retired
Dark and Light - 1 day - Quit
personally, I thought it was one of the better mmos that I've ever played
I didn't realize there were so many WoW clones...seeing WoW was the first MMO ever made..oh wait, wasn't there something before WoW, another MMO or 2 or 3 or ....