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Children NPCs

eburneburn Member Posts: 740
This thread is inspired by a question raised at heroshall.com's forums by a Hero's Journey helper / employee. (?uncertain what relation she has with the company really?) Feel free tell us why you think one way or another. It's a tad touchy, so try not to get too heated.

I kill other players because they're smarter than AI, sometimes.

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  • homeskillethomeskillet Member Posts: 119
    I don't see why not as long as there is the appropriate ESRB rating.
  • FaurFaur Member Posts: 330
    I don't mind either way - I'm not terribly bothered with children being killed let alone just present in games, but on the other hand I don't care one bit if they're omitted. What I do think is silly is when people demand that children be put in games, why the big deal?
  • eburneburn Member Posts: 740
    This is totally in a joking manner but.. People want cooking, cleaning, and owning a house in gaming. Maybe it's estrogen driven? I KID!

    Tho if anyone's playing EQ2 go bake me a pie and make me a sandwhich and deliver it to my room pronto.

    I kill other players because they're smarter than AI, sometimes.

  • MmoseaotterMmoseaotter Member Posts: 163
    I would have to say it depends. Especially if it is a little girl singing "the dead are going to eat you" while jumping rope down a fog covered sidewalk in and small abandoned town. However me being a chicken, I would run as fast as I could to get out of town. (Don't get in cars, they always never start and the evil ones hide in the back seat!)



    I would say it depends on how it is presented, if it is like "You killed a kid you feel good go kill another one" then no. I would say it is fine if it is done without putting a psycho type of twist to it.

    Be cool to people, and try and stay cool that way you never have to regret making someone feel bad. Don't take what ya got granted because some people never get to feel happy. We get to play these great MMOs and surf a good site. Be thankful for what ya got and next time ya feel down imagine a fat sea otter waddling with a pillow and a night cap. Bam! smiles!

  • VandykVandyk Member Posts: 5

    Why not??

    It will certainly bring some  sort of  "realism" in MMOs.But penalties for such deeds must be  High.

     

  • ComanComan Member UncommonPosts: 2,178

    Do underaged zombies counts?

  • VandykVandyk Member Posts: 5
    Originally posted by Coman


    Do underaged zombies counts?
    Only with Teddy Bears.
  • MuffinStumpMuffinStump Member UncommonPosts: 474

    Well, this is actually an offshoot of the larger question 'Can games implement a morality/judgment system into its gameplay?'

    ....or the concept of alignment. A term with which D&D players are very familiar.

    In most systems, because combat is really the only motivating factor, you see more than your fair share of killers and deviants. If you introduce virtual children into that environment then you can't expect much 'good' to come from it.

    There are pages and pages that can be written about 'online morality' here but I find most games have no real attempt to include any sort of balancing so it is hard to even discuss.

    Hmmm, I would relish a game that had for example...a pantheon of various gods/entities that govern their followers and meet out justice for following or not following their faith. Evil, Neutral and Good and their divisions. A system wherein personal power might go up or down with the pleasure of their deity.

    Of course, this is difficult even in a scripted single player game. Ah well enough rambling. :P

  • nomadiannomadian Member Posts: 3,490

    how about animals? Isn't it unnerving when you kill a dog in a game and it makes the dog whimpering noise?

  • LordcrapalotLordcrapalot Member Posts: 191
    Originally posted by nomadian


    how about animals? Isn't it unnerving when you kill a dog in a game and it makes the dog whimpering noise?
    Most certainly, I hate having to kill dogs or other animals. But with the child killing issue, it doesnt really matter what we here think. In this day and age games arent allowed to have child killing content, if they do they will either have a skyhigh rating or be banned. The best example I can think of is fallout 2, it had option to kill children but apparently either the players started to enjoy themselves too much or more people started to put focus on it. Either way the children in the game were removed as the devs were afraid of getting a lawsuit or a skyhigh rating.  

    "I cherish the memories of a question my grandson asked me the other day when he said..Grandpa, were you a hero in the war?...No, but i served in a company of heroes"
    Sgt. Mike Ranney E-company 506PIR 101'st airborn

  • FaurFaur Member Posts: 330
    I believe the american version of FO2 had children in it, while the european version had them omitted.



    They were rather crudely removed; they were actually "there", they just didn't have a graphic - making them invisible. This was a problem because some quests required you to talk to npc's with the child graphic, and some of the children would steal from your inventory and the only way to get it back would be to confront (or kill) them.
  • eburneburn Member Posts: 740
    Originally posted by nomadian


    how about animals? Isn't it unnerving when you kill a dog in a game and it makes the dog whimpering noise?
    I do actually. That's why I avoid killing animals in MMOs and I hate it when you're forced to go just slaughter fauna (and at times) flora to gain levels. It never felt very heroic, epic, or even really evil to me. Just a waste of time. Tho' if in real life our animals and resources would just 'spawn' we'd be alright. That's the deal tho', it's in the game. I guess in a world where folks never really die then why would beings reproduce? Regardless if there's kids in the games design, they're there. Use'em. I don't think a rating should go mature just because you (Jojo critical hits 'a kid' for 223 points of damage!) now if there was extensive gore, corpse mutilation, or a set of /perv actions in the game it should be M or above to begin with.

    All in all, I think there's enough examples of children being put into less than ideal circumstances in other forms of media... Devs could start using the models for story telling purposes and just do that. Let folks know they're a part of something more grand than phat loot 90 million accounts beats wOw any day every game plays the same.

    I kill other players because they're smarter than AI, sometimes.

  • FalfeirFalfeir Member UncommonPosts: 492
    depends... on the loot and xp gain i guess. lol

    I need more vespene gas.

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