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vinceh

Why is everyone concerned about "following the lore"?  You realize without evil races, much of the lore is already messed up.  Hobbits are laid back little beings who do not desire adventure, ever.  However, we have thousands of them scuttling around on the field.  And are you (referring to the lore fanatics) saying the population ratio between the rest of the races are even?  There's no point to flame the OP when it's basically a matter of his own opinion.



As for my personal thought: Yes, I think they should add playable evil races, or at least expand monster-play more.  I want to be able to choose how much crap I have on my face as a Goblin, and have more customized skills.



-Vin

Kyleran

Originally posted by vinceh

Why is everyone concerned about "following the lore"?  (Because a key reason many of us play LotRO is the lore) You realize without evil races, much of the lore is already messed up.  (There are evil races, I kill them all the time on my player character, and run around as one in Ettenmoors when the mood strikes me) Hobbits are laid back little beings who do not desire adventure, ever. (However, when great evil threatens them and the rest of the land, they rise up to the occasion and defend themselves, like any rational being would be forced to do)  However, we have thousands of them scuttling around on the field.  (Not really, heck of lot more of those damn elves everywhere) And are you (referring to the lore fanatics) saying the population ratio between the rest of the races are even?  (What was your point?  Don't recall determining population ratios in the books or movies, though it seemed to me that men were the most numerous race, followed by elves, followed by hobbits, and then since we never saw dwarves but Gimli who weren't dead I assume there was just one ) There's no point to flame the OP when it's basically a matter of his own opinion.(The OP? You are the OP...what are you referring to?  Did your post get lost from another thread?)



As for my personal thought: Yes, I think they should add playable evil races, or at least expand monster-play more.  I want to be able to choose how much crap I have on my face as a Goblin, and have more customized skills. (I'd recommend Vanguard then, they have goblins and lots more customization utilities for them...and FFA PVP or Team PVP if thats what really excites you... but that's not LotRO)



-Vin

seabass2003

If you followed the game at all you would know that they will be expanding where monster play is available in the future.

vinceh

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by vinceh

Why is everyone concerned about "following the lore"?  (Because a key reason many of us play LotRO is the lore) [The more the reason to add playable evil races, so us players who enjoy LotR lore can experience it] You realize without evil races, much of the lore is already messed up.  (There are evil races, I kill them all the time on my player character, and run around as one in Ettenmoors when the mood strikes me) [I referred to playable evil races (not monster player)] Hobbits are laid back little beings who do not desire adventure, ever. (However, when great evil threatens them and the rest of the land, they rise up to the occasion and defend themselves, like any rational being would be forced to do) However, we have thousands of them scuttling around on the field.  (Not really, heck of lot more of those damn elves everywhere) [Still doesn't take away the fact that we have many Hobbits, and why are there so many elves anyway?] And are you (referring to the lore fanatics) saying the population ratio between the rest of the races are even?  (What was your point?  Don't recall determining population ratios in the books or movies, though it seemed to me that men were the most numerous race, followed by elves, followed by hobbits, and then since we never saw dwarves but Gimli who weren't dead I assume there was just one ) [The point is people always use the "race ratio" as an argument against people who allegedly don't follow "lore", and a general race ratio could have be conjured up from reading the books] There's no point to flame the OP when it's basically a matter of his own opinion.(The OP? You are the OP...what are you referring to?  Did your post get lost from another thread?) [Yes, lost from another thread :P , but doesn't hurt to start a new one, since it's kind of been bothering me]



As for my personal thought: Yes, I think they should add playable evil races, or at least expand monster-play more.  I want to be able to choose how much crap I have on my face as a Goblin, and have more customized skills. (I'd recommend Vanguard then, they have goblins and lots more customization utilities for them...and FFA PVP or Team PVP if thats what really excites you... but that's not LotRO) [You are missing my key point:  Playable LotR evil races.  It's not about just playing "evil" so I go own little good newbies, but about enjoying the evil aspect of the lore.  It doesn't even need to offer PvP, but just a similar quest engine like the current available, to look at the story from a different point of view.  It would overall be interesting and good entertainment for LotR fans]



-Vin

vinceh

Originally posted by seabass2003

If you followed the game at all you would know that they will be expanding where monster play is available in the future.

Yes I have heard such updates, but I was not sure.  But suggesting I had not followed the game "at all" is a bit harsh.



-Vin

Grindalyx

You speak of the evil side of the lore. When in all actuallity there is no real evil side to the story. Jus a vauge description of the evil races, That they are slaves of sauron. That sauron controls them and what they do. There is no real description of their everyday life to base a character off of. They do not have cities or towns that can be put into the game. Were would the quest at. They can't quest in the shire or in breeland. They would be very limited in were they can go. Besides at this time in the history of middle earth it says in the books that sauron was calling all evil to him for the war he was preparing to wage. Even gollum who was not originally evil and is debated if he is actually truely evil couldn't resist the call of sauron.

There are way to limitations put on the evil races by the lore to make them a feasible and fun to play race. They are affected by sunlight, Well the vast majority of them are. They have to answer to sauron and follow his commands or die. Tell me does that really sound like a fun race to play?

Remember this story is written from the side of good. Tolkien did not delve into the evil side or make it more than a backdrop to give the protaganist something to fight against. We know for a fact that they loose in a big way. In my opinion there is no evil side to the lore worth playing.

seabass2003

Originally posted by vinceh

Originally posted by seabass2003

If you followed the game at all you would know that they will be expanding where monster play is available in the future.

Yes I have heard such updates, but I was not sure.  But suggesting I had not followed the game "at all" is a bit harsh.



-Vin

Actually yeah that was a bit harsh, sorry. I guess I meant if you followed it more closely. "At all" is definately an overstatement. Also I found a neat site with lots of info for you.

http://lotro-wiki.com/index.php/Main_Page

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Knightblast

Originally posted by Grindalyx


You speak of the evil side of the lore. When in all actuallity there is no real evil side to the story. Jus a vauge description of the evil races, That they are slaves of sauron. That sauron controls them and what they do. There is no real description of their everyday life to base a character off of. They do not have cities or towns that can be put into the game. Were would the quest at. They can't quest in the shire or in breeland. They would be very limited in were they can go. Besides at this time in the history of middle earth it says in the books that sauron was calling all evil to him for the war he was preparing to wage. Even gollum who was not originally evil and is debated if he is actually truely evil couldn't resist the call of sauron.
There are way to limitations put on the evil races by the lore to make them a feasible and fun to play race. They are affected by sunlight, Well the vast majority of them are. They have to answer to sauron and follow his commands or die. Tell me does that really sound like a fun race to play?
Remember this story is written from the side of good. Tolkien did not delve into the evil side or make it more than a backdrop to give the protaganist something to fight against. We know for a fact that they loose in a big way. In my opinion there is no evil side to the lore worth playing.

Indeed, this is the issue.  No-one wants to hear it ("ZOMG tihs is a game, ke ke ?"), but the reality is that there is NO evil side to the story that ever was a part of the story.  And that was 100% intentional by Tolkien, as it is a theme that runs through all of his work.

vinceh

Perhaps it is that exact reason of a non-existance evil storyline that will keep playable evil races from being a reality.  Let's say the Dev's decide to advance the storyline or add to it, they could produce content for the evil side.  However, that will most likely bring up issues about being faithful to Tolk and the lore.  I guess I'll have to stick to my Hobbit that plays the flute!

-Vin

Liddokun

You can't play evil races here in LOTRO because in middle earth all the evil creatures are controlled by Sauron and his right hand man Angmar. Evil races have absolutely no free will of their own, they cannot go out and say "hey I feel like adventuring today, let's go chop off some hobbit's feet" or "I feel like crafting today so I'll stay home in Bara-dur today and make pretty flower vases from elven skulls".  What the evil creatures are, are nothing but slaves of Sauron and they only do whatever Sauron or his lieutenants commands them to do.