Any SWG players find LOTRO interesting?

Evelknievel

This actually goes for the old and new SWG players as well.

I played SWG when it 1st came out (2003) and fell in love with the game, it was complexed at the time and to be in an MMO with a hit movie series, it was fantastic, especially my first visit to Mos Eisleys Cantina. (Still it took me awhile to get adjusted to the game and to accept it was a Star Wars Universe)

I kinda got that same feeling (just a little) entering the Prancing Pony in Bree. To see a guy named Strider, well you get the picture.

Anyways, any other former SWG or current SWG player like the game? I am going to assume the older crowd of SWG may like this game a little if they are also a Lord of the Rings fan.

On another note:

This game can only get better if they do it right and please dont introduce a NGE system to LoTRO (j/k or am I?) LOL

PS. If they ever implemented a PvP system like SWG did in the days, this game would be NUTZ! I can't wait to get to hit the 50s with my toon though. So far I am seeing alot more PvMP going on with my LvL 50 Monster. However my monster toon gets jacked all the time now and too busy leveling my main to go agaist the Evil of Sauron and his minions.. LOL

 

 

 

Jackdog

I was in SWG from Beta 2 ( February 03) and played through December of that year.  I don't see much in common myself. SWGs crafting and skills system, was or could have been, the best of any game released. Too bad SOE screwed it up. I was the second Master Doctor on Eclipse and kept holding out for them to fix BE. The Jedi system was the nail in the coffin for me. I love Lotro but really for other reasons that why I loved SWG,or should I say I loved the concept of SWG, the implementation sucked.

starman999

Nope.......



I play it for now because there is nothing else to play. The game itself is dull linear and uninspired. It really is disappointing to see a great IP like this made into a WOW clone instead of taking a few chances.



Why oh why did they make Shadowrun a squad based shooter on the xbox? it could have been our salvation.

gamer279

I like it but its not as good as SWG classic or SWG CU.

 

 

 

Jackdog

Originally posted by starman999

Nope.......



I play it for now because there is nothing else to play. The game itself is dull linear and uninspired. It really is disappointing to see a great IP like this made into a WOW clone instead of taking a few chances.



Why oh why did they make Shadowrun a squad based shooter on the xbox? it could have been our salvation.

apologize for the derail but I assume by WoW clone you mean diku based games. So just out of curiosity what is stopping you from playing Saga of Ryzom,  AO, UO or any of the other non diku games directly to the left of this post. Life is too short to play a game you don't enjoy. I see half a dozen non diku games that are just begging for players.



People who live for non leveling based MMO's such as UO and SWG and do not like level based skill games are probably not going to really like this game. There are exceptions such as myself of course. This was not meant to be a flame on you Starman, just curious is all. I have folowed your posts here at MMORPG.com for a while and was puzzled you even bothered trying LoTRO.

starman999

Yeah and what do they have in common?



They are all old and empty. There is no life left in them. All were fine for their time but that is gone now. We need some new games that dont follow the exact same formula as WOW and EQ2.. Not everyone likes to be pigeonholed into classes that allow no room for variation and cause everyone to be clones.



The class/level system is too restrictive and doesnt allow anyone the ability to be unique. I appreciate the quests and the loot but I would like to have a choice in teh matter of who my character is going to be. These games are a virtual life simulation and its disheartening to know that I have fewer choices in a world where anything is possible than I do in the real one.



As long as we are talking about it I also would like to have some say in whether I quest or not. It should be equally viable to go out and hunt mobs for loot and xp as it is to quest for them. The fact that mobs in these games give pathetic xp and drop almost no loot forces the player to participate in the questing system even if he has no interest in doing so.



Im not asking them to take the quests out I just want to have the option.

Jackdog

Apologies to the OP for the derail here.



Another thing they have in common is that they were never all that popular when they were released. Might as well face it in a multi million dollar business most developers will go for the tried and true. Hence expect to see a lot more dikus. TCoS, Tabula Rosa might be the exceptions however do not expect to see 500K subscriptions. AoC is still way too much of a unknown yet, the Funcom name does not inspire much faith for me.

Gules_Aspen

Originally posted by HiGHPLaiNS


This actually goes for the old and new SWG players as well.
I played SWG when it 1st came out (2003) and fell in love with the game, it was complexed at the time and to be in an MMO with a hit movie series, it was fantastic, especially my first visit to Mos Eisleys Cantina. (Still it took me awhile to get adjusted to the game and to accept it was a Star Wars Universe)
I kinda got that same feeling (just a little) entering the Prancing Pony in Bree. To see a guy named Strider, well you get the picture.
Anyways, any other former SWG or current SWG player like the game? I am going to assume the older crowd of SWG may like this game a little if they are also a Lord of the Rings fan.
On another note:
This game can only get better if they do it right and please dont introduce a NGE system to LoTRO (j/k or am I?) LOL
PS. If they ever implemented a PvP system like SWG did in the days, this game would be NUTZ! I can't wait to get to hit the 50s with my toon though. So far I am seeing alot more PvMP going on with my LvL 50 Monster. However my monster toon gets jacked all the time now and too busy leveling my main to go agaist the Evil of Sauron and his minions.. LOL
 
 
 

Not particularly, no..and that's funny, because I'm much more an LOTR fan than a Star Wars fan. But the games, even post-NGE, can't be compared in any way. LOTRO locks you into a path, and you have no choice whatsoever to deviate from it. There's no equivalent to opting  to follow th edark side of the Force.  There's no setting up as a trader,  surveying for and harvesting resources,  and creating my place in the world through commerce. In short..there's no freedom.  The first time through has it's moments, yes. But after that, the 'on rails' feel really turned me away.

Jackdog

Originally posted by Gules_Aspen

Originally posted by HiGHPLaiNS


This actually goes for the old and new SWG players as well.
I played SWG when it 1st came out (2003) and fell in love with the game, it was complexed at the time and to be in an MMO with a hit movie series, it was fantastic, especially my first visit to Mos Eisleys Cantina. (Still it took me awhile to get adjusted to the game and to accept it was a Star Wars Universe)
I kinda got that same feeling (just a little) entering the Prancing Pony in Bree. To see a guy named Strider, well you get the picture.
Anyways, any other former SWG or current SWG player like the game? I am going to assume the older crowd of SWG may like this game a little if they are also a Lord of the Rings fan.
On another note:
This game can only get better if they do it right and please dont introduce a NGE system to LoTRO (j/k or am I?) LOL
PS. If they ever implemented a PvP system like SWG did in the days, this game would be NUTZ! I can't wait to get to hit the 50s with my toon though. So far I am seeing alot more PvMP going on with my LvL 50 Monster. However my monster toon gets jacked all the time now and too busy leveling my main to go agaist the Evil of Sauron and his minions.. LOL
 
 
 

Not particularly, no..and that's funny, because I'm much more an LOTR fan than a Star Wars fan. But the games, even post-NGE, can't be compared in any way. LOTRO locks you into a path, and you have no choice whatsoever to deviate from it. There's no equivalent to opting  to follow th edark side of the Force.  There's no setting up as a trader,  surveying for and harvesting resources,  and creating my place in the world through commerce. In short..there's no freedom.  The first time through has it's moments, yes. But after that, the 'on rails' feel really turned me away.

Sort of like how WoW, EQII, and 99.9% of the other MMORPGs put you on rails? I can only think of 1 game that I played that gave me freedom. Old school UO. Even in SWG you either had to be Rebel or Empire. EQII you can do the betrayal and after that guess what , you just switched tracks, still on the rails.  WoW you are either alliance or hoarde. DAoC , Alb, Hib, or Middy.



Face it guys quit you are all just being holier than thou snobs, there is no freedom in any MMORPG. There is no real skill involved in any MMORPG, just a investment of time. MMORPGs are all about socializing and killing time , they are not chess or rocket science. 

Koolaider

It's alright, I guess. SWG will always be my favorite MMO. Age of Conan is looking pretty cool, with the cities and that. I guess we'll see what happens.

Jackdog

Originally posted by Koolaider

It's alright, I guess. SWG will always be my favorite MMO. Age of Conan is looking pretty cool, with the cities and that. I guess we'll see what happens.

  Heh I hope AoC turns out to be good also, by the time it is released I will have about a year in LoTRO and will be ready for a change of scenery. I will remember SWG in a bitter sweet way, so much potential wasted, Raph really screwed it up big time. If SOE had just devoted another six months to a year to it's development and released it as polished as Turbine did LoTRO , right now it would have a million subs or more..

Gules_Aspen

Originally posted by Jackdog

Originally posted by Gules_Aspen

Originally posted by HiGHPLaiNS


This actually goes for the old and new SWG players as well.
I played SWG when it 1st came out (2003) and fell in love with the game, it was complexed at the time and to be in an MMO with a hit movie series, it was fantastic, especially my first visit to Mos Eisleys Cantina. (Still it took me awhile to get adjusted to the game and to accept it was a Star Wars Universe)
I kinda got that same feeling (just a little) entering the Prancing Pony in Bree. To see a guy named Strider, well you get the picture.
Anyways, any other former SWG or current SWG player like the game? I am going to assume the older crowd of SWG may like this game a little if they are also a Lord of the Rings fan.
On another note:
This game can only get better if they do it right and please dont introduce a NGE system to LoTRO (j/k or am I?) LOL
PS. If they ever implemented a PvP system like SWG did in the days, this game would be NUTZ! I can't wait to get to hit the 50s with my toon though. So far I am seeing alot more PvMP going on with my LvL 50 Monster. However my monster toon gets jacked all the time now and too busy leveling my main to go agaist the Evil of Sauron and his minions.. LOL
 
 
 

Not particularly, no..and that's funny, because I'm much more an LOTR fan than a Star Wars fan. But the games, even post-NGE, can't be compared in any way. LOTRO locks you into a path, and you have no choice whatsoever to deviate from it. There's no equivalent to opting  to follow th edark side of the Force.  There's no setting up as a trader,  surveying for and harvesting resources,  and creating my place in the world through commerce. In short..there's no freedom.  The first time through has it's moments, yes. But after that, the 'on rails' feel really turned me away.

Sort of like how WoW, EQII, and 99.9% of the other MMORPGs put you on rails? I can only think of 1 game that I played that gave me freedom. Old school UO. Even in SWG you either had to be Rebel or Empire. EQII you can do the betrayal and after that guess what , you just switched tracks, still on the rails.  WoW you are either alliance or hoarde. DAoC , Alb, Hib, or Middy.



Face it guys quit you are all just being holier than thou snobs, there is no freedom in any MMORPG. There is no real skill involved in any MMORPG, just a investment of time. MMORPGs are all about socializing and killing time , they are not chess or rocket science.  I agree. And that's why I don't like most of them, for that reason. other than EQ and SWG, none of them have been able to keep my attention for very long, a month or two in most cases. Then it's a one way ticket to Pleaseletitend City.



Just for the record- in SWG you don't have to choose a side at any point, even up to today. You're still free to switch back and forth, change professions, and rethink your choices Wanted to clear that up.

Jackdog

Originally posted by Gules_Aspen

Originally posted by Jackdog

Originally posted by Gules_Aspen

Originally posted by HiGHPLaiNS


This actually goes for the old and new SWG players as well.
I played SWG when it 1st came out (2003) and fell in love with the game, it was complexed at the time and to be in an MMO with a hit movie series, it was fantastic, especially my first visit to Mos Eisleys Cantina. (Still it took me awhile to get adjusted to the game and to accept it was a Star Wars Universe)
I kinda got that same feeling (just a little) entering the Prancing Pony in Bree. To see a guy named Strider, well you get the picture.
Anyways, any other former SWG or current SWG player like the game? I am going to assume the older crowd of SWG may like this game a little if they are also a Lord of the Rings fan.
On another note:
This game can only get better if they do it right and please dont introduce a NGE system to LoTRO (j/k or am I?) LOL
PS. If they ever implemented a PvP system like SWG did in the days, this game would be NUTZ! I can't wait to get to hit the 50s with my toon though. So far I am seeing alot more PvMP going on with my LvL 50 Monster. However my monster toon gets jacked all the time now and too busy leveling my main to go agaist the Evil of Sauron and his minions.. LOL
 
 
 

Not particularly, no..and that's funny, because I'm much more an LOTR fan than a Star Wars fan. But the games, even post-NGE, can't be compared in any way. LOTRO locks you into a path, and you have no choice whatsoever to deviate from it. There's no equivalent to opting  to follow th edark side of the Force.  There's no setting up as a trader,  surveying for and harvesting resources,  and creating my place in the world through commerce. In short..there's no freedom.  The first time through has it's moments, yes. But after that, the 'on rails' feel really turned me away.

Sort of like how WoW, EQII, and 99.9% of the other MMORPGs put you on rails? I can only think of 1 game that I played that gave me freedom. Old school UO. Even in SWG you either had to be Rebel or Empire. EQII you can do the betrayal and after that guess what , you just switched tracks, still on the rails.  WoW you are either alliance or hoarde. DAoC , Alb, Hib, or Middy.



Face it guys quit you are all just being holier than thou snobs, there is no freedom in any MMORPG. There is no real skill involved in any MMORPG, just a investment of time. MMORPGs are all about socializing and killing time , they are not chess or rocket science.  I agree. And that's why I don't like most of them, for that reason. other than EQ and SWG, none of them have been able to keep my attention for very long, a month or two in most cases. Then it's a one way ticket to Pleaseletitend City.



Just for the record- in SWG you don't have to choose a side at any point, even up to today. You're still free to switch back and forth, change professions, and rethink your choices Wanted to clear that up. Oh I know you could be neutral, as far as changing professions went I hated the single character server idea. I prefer alts. I had 4 alts in EQII, god knows how many characters in DAoC, at least a dozen. Changing professions just meant you started as a newbie with twinks. I went back just after the CU and tried it again, damn near cried when I went to where our old player city had been. I was in a great guild. At release we had over 100 players, by December we had merged with 2 other guilds and there were not 5 of us left from the original guild.  Anyway I bummed around the deserted cities for a month cursing SOE and how bad they screwed that game up and never looked back.

ZStormZ

I played the beta and i found that running around doing quests constantly wasnt fun.  I do however want to get another chance at the live game and see how it is.  Im waiting for someone to send me a buddy key.  Monster play seems like a fun way to pvp.  I just hope that LOTRO doesnt go crazy with particle effects like SWG NGE has were every skill you use has flashing lights comming from somewere.

  SWG Pre-CU is still and will probably only be the best MMO i have ever played.  It makes all of the other games look like crap imo.  I kind of wish i never played SWG Pre-CU.  Now everytime i play another MMO i compare it to SWG and get depressed and quit.

God i cant wait until swgemu is ready.

zoey121

 Was in a group friday night in lotr trying to get everyone to meet up, someone mentioned missing speeder bikes and shuttle ports bunches and the fellowship agreed all together the transportation in lotr left much to be desired and way to expensive..

While it is ok to me to play i will do so , However once i feel like not loging in any more i won't.

 Is it like swg? Well it is linear and level based, more things work and much less bugs. However as someone else mentioned it is what is out there for now makes it ok to play now.

 It is nice seeing lots of folks around even at weird times.For now it is ok.....

Conley

If your really looking for a pre-cu SWG type experience you should try out Saga of Ryzom. That game comes closest in the classic SWG "feel" and experience.

DarthMaulUK

Originally posted by ZStormZ


I played the beta and i found that running around doing quests constantly wasnt fun.  I do however want to get another chance at the live game and see how it is.  Im waiting for someone to send me a buddy key.  Monster play seems like a fun way to pvp.  I just hope that LOTRO doesnt go crazy with particle effects like SWG NGE has were every skill you use has flashing lights comming from somewere.
  SWG Pre-CU is still and will probably only be the best MMO i have ever played.  It makes all of the other games look like crap imo.  I kind of wish i never played SWG Pre-CU.  Now everytime i play another MMO i compare it to SWG and get depressed and quit.
God i cant wait until swgemu is ready.

I've picked up LOTRO and yes its a clone of WoW, which i quit because it was just so boring. So i am disappointed that LOTRO offers nothing new. I get frustrated at the crap navigation - quests are just too damn vague 'Go find NPC somewhere north east of Town B' and you can spend ages trying to find it, especially when it gives you the incorrect directions. No waypoints or a compass to even assist you.



I played SWG at launch in 2003 and straight onto Eclipse where it was probably and still is, the BEST online experience I have ever had. Community was outstanding, the PvP battles outside Anchorhead or Bestine were incredible (especially when i was killed by the very weapons I sold! LOL) and NO OTHER GAME yet has touched on the Skill trees that Galaxies had. It made every character unique, and they took all that away. Shameful.



I've bought 3 months on LOTRO but it had better offer something new, otherwise I see alot of people leaving when they ask themselves...'do we really need another WoW in drag?'

Jackdog

Originally posted by DarthMaulUK



iI've picked up LOTRO and yes its a clone of WoW, which i quit because it was just so boring.

They both have quests, both use WASD movement and both have mouselook. Damn you are right , they are frigging identical.

SlickShoes

Originally posted by DarthMaulUK

Originally posted by ZStormZ


I played the beta and i found that running around doing quests constantly wasnt fun.  I do however want to get another chance at the live game and see how it is.  Im waiting for someone to send me a buddy key.  Monster play seems like a fun way to pvp.  I just hope that LOTRO doesnt go crazy with particle effects like SWG NGE has were every skill you use has flashing lights comming from somewere.
  SWG Pre-CU is still and will probably only be the best MMO i have ever played.  It makes all of the other games look like crap imo.  I kind of wish i never played SWG Pre-CU.  Now everytime i play another MMO i compare it to SWG and get depressed and quit.
God i cant wait until swgemu is ready.

I've picked up LOTRO and yes its a clone of WoW, which i quit because it was just so boring. So i am disappointed that LOTRO offers nothing new. I get frustrated at the crap navigation - quests are just too damn vague 'Go find NPC somewhere north east of Town B' and you can spend ages trying to find it, especially when it gives you the incorrect directions. No waypoints or a compass to even assist you.







Thats unreal that you couldnt find your way to the quests, are you sure you were reading them? This is the only game where i have not had to look up any NPC locations so far, you just read the quest go in the direction it tells you and you end up in the right place. So your basic complaint is that it doesnt tell you the exact location of every NPC you need to kill. You need to re-read the quests no quest up until level 21 has even remotely got  me lost they are all explained well in plain english.

Meridion

I've played SWG then and now LotRO, and I'm enjoying LotRO a lot. Maybe because I'm not  totally off-social and looking for a substitute world...



Meridion

Evelknievel

Originally posted by DarthMaulUK

Originally posted by ZStormZ


I played the beta and i found that running around doing quests constantly wasnt fun.  I do however want to get another chance at the live game and see how it is.  Im waiting for someone to send me a buddy key.  Monster play seems like a fun way to pvp.  I just hope that LOTRO doesnt go crazy with particle effects like SWG NGE has were every skill you use has flashing lights comming from somewere.
  SWG Pre-CU is still and will probably only be the best MMO i have ever played.  It makes all of the other games look like crap imo.  I kind of wish i never played SWG Pre-CU.  Now everytime i play another MMO i compare it to SWG and get depressed and quit.
God i cant wait until swgemu is ready.

I've picked up LOTRO and yes its a clone of WoW, which i quit because it was just so boring. So i am disappointed that LOTRO offers nothing new. I get frustrated at the crap navigation - quests are just too damn vague 'Go find NPC somewhere north east of Town B' and you can spend ages trying to find it, especially when it gives you the incorrect directions. No waypoints or a compass to even assist you.



I played SWG at launch in 2003 and straight onto Eclipse where it was probably and still is, the BEST online experience I have ever had. Community was outstanding, the PvP battles outside Anchorhead or Bestine were incredible (especially when i was killed by the very weapons I sold! LOL) and NO OTHER GAME yet has touched on the Skill trees that Galaxies had. It made every character unique, and they took all that away. Shameful.



I've bought 3 months on LOTRO but it had better offer something new, otherwise I see alot of people leaving when they ask themselves...'do we really need another WoW in drag?'

 

So you like the Sandbox MMORPGs? Nothing wrong with that. By the way SWG quests system were really bad. In the game, all you do his go out and Grind Graul Maulers,Tigers, Pikets or Rancors to capp your skill (plus many other critters)

I remember this one quest I did in SWG where I had to go to Anchorhead, the Quest Reward was a Minature Stuff Bantha. LOL

The only one I recalled being great was the one on Tattoaine, I think you had to go into a cave full of monkeys and talk to the old man. Anyways, the quest ended with a trinket I believe, where you can resurrect yourself.

Believe me, I miss the SWG (Pre-CU). All SWG had to offer is, hang out with your friends, PvP. And it was all about Crafting and getting top quality gear so you can PvP.. Also the game had flavor of the month classes. Master Rifleman/Criiter Handler was popular. Master Combat Medic/ Master Rifleman. Melee Stackers. Jedi wearing Composite Armor. LOL and everyone wanted to kill Jedi.

SWG is not a good quest system in the days, but I dont know how it is now. Since I left when CU was added, way before the NGE system.

DarthMaulUK

NGE did bring in decent quests and copied WoW in how it delivered it. I am amazed how its taken someone at Blizzard to set the standard for quests in to days MMO games. Not rocket science now, is it?



LOTRO needs to deliver something different to the fan base, other wise it WILL just be another MMO taking a leaf out of WoWs book and its about time things changed alittle.



Galaxies gave players the chance to be individuals, pre-cu, and this is something that no other MMO has attempted to try. Yes, 32 professions were too much but MMOs need to set themselves apart from the crowd and currently, LOTRO isn't doing that.

morpin

Originally posted by Jackdog

Originally posted by DarthMaulUK



iI've picked up LOTRO and yes its a clone of WoW, which i quit because it was just so boring.

They both have quests, both use WASD movement and both have mouselook. Damn you are right , they are frigging identical.

I have noticed that you hate it when people say LOTOR is a Wow Clone.  Dont you think they are saying this becuase  both games  are linear and lead you by the hand?  SWG definately was not linear.  It is the complete opposite of being linear and this is what I think of when they say a game is a sandbox. Throw in the lelvel based vs skill based and I would have to say these  two games have nothing in common.

SlickShoes

Originally posted by morpin

Originally posted by Jackdog

Originally posted by DarthMaulUK



iI've picked up LOTRO and yes its a clone of WoW, which i quit because it was just so boring.

They both have quests, both use WASD movement and both have mouselook. Damn you are right , they are frigging identical.

I have noticed that you hate it when people say LOTOR is a Wow Clone.  Dont you think they are saying this becuase  both games  are linear and lead you by the hand? 

  Yet that darth guy wants exact coordinates to his quest target because the quests are too hard to find! Game developers cant win they will always alienate some part of the market.



And i agree the only similarities between this and wow are how you use your abilities using WASD and the fact that you follow the game from 1- End by following a path of quests.

DarthMaulUK

Yes I want waypoints. If you don't simply turn them off! Its about choice. I havent the time to spend running around looking for an NPC 'located somewhere North'. Just a simple icon on the main map would be very useful. Its not fun otherwise, especially when you have to run everywhere as mounts only kick in until lvl 35.



As a direct result, I might spend just an hour a day playing this 'game' . Galaxies has its faults but it got alot of the basics right.

Cerion

Originally posted by DarthMaulUK

Galaxies gave players the chance to be individuals, pre-cu, and this is something that no other MMO has attempted to try. Yes, 32 professions were too much but MMOs need to set themselves apart from the crowd and currently, LOTRO isn't doing that.

You mean set themselves apart from the crowd like Sigil firing all of its employees? Or do you mean setting themselves apart from the crowd by offering a stable game, polished, with tons of content and sandbox elements (if you look for them)? LOTRO is setting itself apart from the crowd -- it's just not catering to YOUR crowd which I understand peeves you.

Yes I want waypoints. If you don't simply turn them off! Its about choice. I havent the time to spend running around looking for an NPC 'located somewhere North'. Just a simple icon on the main map would be very useful. Its not fun otherwise, especially when you have to run everywhere as mounts only kick in until lvl 35.



As a direct result, I might spend just an hour a day playing this 'game' . Galaxies has its faults but it got alot of the basics right.

You want a sandbox game, and yet you need to be hand-held to each of your quest points?   Personally, I like that I have to discover where the missions are.  The stupid ray of light in SWG always bothered me, but then again their quest system was so simplistic and automated (stupid mission terminals) that they needed the beam of light just so the game was functional.