Smedley admits NGE was a mistake

damicatz

http://forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m?topic_id=9105



"2. We do not plan on making any major changes to Vanguard. Any changes are going to come from the team itself. We aren't mandating any big changes to the game. We've learned a thing or two with our experiences with the NGE and don't plan on repeating mistakes from the past and not listening to the players."

daarco

Yay.

I dont know why this makes me happy?

All my SWG friends have  begun to love the NGE and say i would get over it. But i cant just sit back and take that shit. It should be common sense not to #"*¤ off all old faithful SWG players.

Maybe that is why im never gonna say: well ok, the game is fun anyway.....good workd devs........

spankybus

oh thank god. Now maybe people still whining about NGE can move on with their life, get married, have kids, just get off the couch and put down that box of kleenex and bon-bon's.



I had a full suit of RSI, I could hunt most Jedi (when they weren't hiding on kasssyk). NGE killed that game for me...so what....move on, really.

Nevarion

I read it, I read it again and I still can't believe it.

wizyy

Ok, that's kinda... TOO LATE!

Rollotamasi

Originally posted by damicatz

http://forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m?topic_id=9105



"2. We do not plan on making any major changes to Vanguard. Any changes are going to come from the team itself. We aren't mandating any big changes to the game. We've learned a thing or two with our experiences with the NGE and don't plan on repeating mistakes from the past and not listening to the players."

LOL.  We've learned a thing or two with our experiences with the NGE and don't plan on repeating mistakes from the past and not listening to the players DOES NOT = I admit the NGE was a mistake.

Rollotamasi

Originally posted by mcharj11

Originally posted by Rollotamasi

Originally posted by damicatz

http://forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m?topic_id=9105



"2. We do not plan on making any major changes to Vanguard. Any changes are going to come from the team itself. We aren't mandating any big changes to the game. We've learned a thing or two with our experiences with the NGE and don't plan on repeating mistakes from the past and not listening to the players."

LOL.  We've learned a thing or two with our experiences with the NGE and don't plan on repeating mistakes from the past and not listening to the players DOES NOT = I admit the NGE was a mistake.

Well actually he has admitted it, subtley but it is as an admition as far as im concerned.

I hope you never end up on a jury.

CadillacCTS

Originally posted by Rollotamasi

Originally posted by mcharj11

Originally posted by Rollotamasi

Originally posted by damicatz

http://forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m?topic_id=9105



"2. We do not plan on making any major changes to Vanguard. Any changes are going to come from the team itself. We aren't mandating any big changes to the game. We've learned a thing or two with our experiences with the NGE and don't plan on repeating mistakes from the past and not listening to the players."

LOL.  We've learned a thing or two with our experiences with the NGE and don't plan on repeating mistakes from the past and not listening to the players DOES NOT = I admit the NGE was a mistake.

Well actually he has admitted it, subtley but it is as an admition as far as im concerned.

I hope you never end up on a jury.

I hope you never become a Judge!

Rollotamasi

Originally posted by CadillacCTS

Originally posted by Rollotamasi

Originally posted by mcharj11

Originally posted by Rollotamasi

Originally posted by damicatz

http://forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m?topic_id=9105



"2. We do not plan on making any major changes to Vanguard. Any changes are going to come from the team itself. We aren't mandating any big changes to the game. We've learned a thing or two with our experiences with the NGE and don't plan on repeating mistakes from the past and not listening to the players."

LOL.  We've learned a thing or two with our experiences with the NGE and don't plan on repeating mistakes from the past and not listening to the players DOES NOT = I admit the NGE was a mistake.

Well actually he has admitted it, subtley but it is as an admition as far as im concerned.

I hope you never end up on a jury.I hope you never become a Judge!

Why?  Because I took the given statement, read it and understood it?  Or because I DIDN't take a statement and twist it to say something it didn't but instead something I wanted it to say?  Seems like the former is a much better trait for a judge to have then the latter.



Taking that statement and saying it means Smedely says the NGE is a mistake is the same as seeing a Papa Johns add that says "Buy a free large pizza and get another large pizza free!" and saying that papa johns is giving a way free pizza's.  True to a extent but your leaving out a crucial part of the statement. 

Kyleran

Not really news....unless you just wanted to hear him say it.....

Tamalan

Rollotamasai,



The mis-spelling of 'Whiners' in your Sig actually  reads as 'winners' (which is how 'whinners would be pronounced).



Probably not the effect you were going for



Anyway, its amazing to see the words 'NGE' and mistake publicly appearing together in a sentance (not featuring denial) from the Smed. Whichever way you read into it, its interesting either way

zaykodroid

at least,  it is obvious that Smed took some lessons from the biggest failure of Gaming History.

DarthRaiden

well Smed don't liked the NGE after applying to the servers. He stated something back then  like "we know the current status isn't  something that matches with our quality standards but in 6 months we will be able to.." ... blah blah blah.

Quoted him in a post at sucker boards back then and asked "why should we play then this sucking game now and not in 6 months while Smed says is in bad state" ..of course post was deleted and i was banned ...

So Smed  never liked NGE himself but not cares about aslong as there  are weakminded  who pay for...

Rollotamasi

Originally posted by mcharj11

Originally posted by Rollotamasi

Originally posted by CadillacCTS

Originally posted by Rollotamasi

Originally posted by mcharj11

Originally posted by Rollotamasi

Originally posted by damicatz

http://forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m?topic_id=9105



"2. We do not plan on making any major changes to Vanguard. Any changes are going to come from the team itself. We aren't mandating any big changes to the game. We've learned a thing or two with our experiences with the NGE and don't plan on repeating mistakes from the past and not listening to the players."

LOL.  We've learned a thing or two with our experiences with the NGE and don't plan on repeating mistakes from the past and not listening to the players DOES NOT = I admit the NGE was a mistake.

Well actually he has admitted it, subtley but it is as an admition as far as im concerned.

I hope you never end up on a jury.I hope you never become a Judge!

Why?  Because I took the given statement, read it and understood it?  Or because I DIDN't take a statement and twist it to say something it didn't but instead something I wanted it to say?  Seems like the former is a much better trait for a judge to have then the latter.

So i take it that you then believe the they were listening to the SWG player base when they implemented the NGE?

Smedly saud that they would not be implementing anything like the NGE and would instead be listening to the players this time. Says it all to me.

I believe they were listening to a portion of the player base when they implemented the NGE>



It says it all to you.  Ok, thats fine.  If you want to take that statement as him saying "The NGE is a mistake" then I can't really argue that.  However thats not what the statement (From a logical english standpoint) says"  Taking statements and twisting them to say what you want them to say is for lack of a better word stupid (Keep in mind I didn't say ineffective)  Suicide bombers do it all the time to justify blowing up innocent people and Christians have been known to do it to justify blowing up abortion clinics or that whole "Holy Crusades" thing.

mklinic

There are two ways to read it; You can say that "not listening to players" was the mistake or that a major change like the NGE was a mistake. A judges job would be to look at the spirit in which a questionable comment was made and provide an educated opinion of the statements intent.



In this case, why can't it be both? We won't repeat mistakes like significantly changing game play and we won't repeat mistakes of not listening to the players and what they want.



In the end, this is in reference to Vangaurd which is probably free of a lot of the IP constraints that SWG falls victim to so it doesn't matter too much. But, if people want to see this as a symbol of SOE and team acknowledging the NGE was a mistake, what does it hurt? Many people have felt slighted and have been confused by the stubborness involved in any depiction of the NGE as a mistake. If this satisfies those people and quiets a portion of the crowd, isn't that a good thing (at least for this sites forums if nothing else)? Now, if we could only find some post where he sort of apologies for the CU, we'll be golden.

CadillacCTS

Originally posted by Rollotamasi

Originally posted by CadillacCTS

Originally posted by Rollotamasi

Originally posted by mcharj11

Originally posted by Rollotamasi

Originally posted by damicatz

http://forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m?topic_id=9105



"2. We do not plan on making any major changes to Vanguard. Any changes are going to come from the team itself. We aren't mandating any big changes to the game. We've learned a thing or two with our experiences with the NGE and don't plan on repeating mistakes from the past and not listening to the players."

LOL.  We've learned a thing or two with our experiences with the NGE and don't plan on repeating mistakes from the past and not listening to the players DOES NOT = I admit the NGE was a mistake.

Well actually he has admitted it, subtley but it is as an admition as far as im concerned.

I hope you never end up on a jury.I hope you never become a Judge!

Why?  Because I took the given statement, read it and understood it?  Or because I DIDN't take a statement and twist it to say something it didn't but instead something I wanted it to say?  Seems like the former is a much better trait for a judge to have then the latter.



Taking that statement and saying it means Smedely says the NGE is a mistake is the same as seeing a Papa Johns add that says "Buy a free large pizza and get another large pizza free!" and saying that papa johns is giving a way free pizza's.  True to a extent but your leaving out a crucial part of the statement. Understood it?? Well then why would he even mention the NGE? Your analogy has absolutely no realitivty to Smedly's statement. Let me ask you this then, what mistakes are Smedly refering to?

Rollotamasi

Originally posted by mcharj11

Originally posted by Rollotamasi

Originally posted by mcharj11

Originally posted by Rollotamasi

Originally posted by CadillacCTS

Originally posted by Rollotamasi

Originally posted by mcharj11

Originally posted by Rollotamasi

Originally posted by damicatz

http://forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m?topic_id=9105



"2. We do not plan on making any major changes to Vanguard. Any changes are going to come from the team itself. We aren't mandating any big changes to the game. We've learned a thing or two with our experiences with the NGE and don't plan on repeating mistakes from the past and not listening to the players."

LOL.  We've learned a thing or two with our experiences with the NGE and don't plan on repeating mistakes from the past and not listening to the players DOES NOT = I admit the NGE was a mistake.

Well actually he has admitted it, subtley but it is as an admition as far as im concerned.

I hope you never end up on a jury.I hope you never become a Judge!

Why?  Because I took the given statement, read it and understood it?  Or because I DIDN't take a statement and twist it to say something it didn't but instead something I wanted it to say?  Seems like the former is a much better trait for a judge to have then the latter.

So i take it that you then believe the they were listening to the SWG player base when they implemented the NGE?

Smedly saud that they would not be implementing anything like the NGE and would instead be listening to the players this time. Says it all to me.

I believe they were listening to a portion of the player base when they implemented the NGE>



It says it all to you.  Ok, thats fine.  If you want to take that statement as him saying "The NGE is a mistake" then I can't really argue that.  However thats not what the statement (From a logical english standpoint) says"  Taking statements and twisting them to say what you want them to say is for lack of a better word stupid (Keep in mind I didn't say ineffective)  Suicide bombers do it all the time to justify blowing up innocent people and Christians have been known to do it to justify blowing up abortion clinics or that whole "Holy Crusades" thing.

You basicaly just called me stupid but then again you would probably say i was twisting your words. Tell me, are you any relation to John Smedley?

Thank you for a perfect example.  I did not call you stupid.  I said twisting the words of a statement to make them mean what you want them to mean is stupid.  You did something that was stupid.  Does that mean you are stupid?  No, it means you did something stupid.  Its like when I tell my wife she is being bitchy and she tries to say I called her a bitch. 

xPaladin

Originally posted by damicatz



"2. We do not plan on making any major changes to Vanguard.

They don't have any immediate changes to Vanguard planned. This is unintentionally careful wording clarified by the next sentence:



Any changes are going to come from the team itself.

Whew, that's a relief. This means that the former Sigil employees still have control over their game. Good, as it should be.



We aren't mandating any big changes to the game.

Now Mr. Smed himself, that sly fox, that shady fellow, is trying to make a reference to some other tragedies that occurred in their MMOG wake. He wants the reader to be assured that SOE will not make any particular moves on Vanguard. Not now, at least.



We've learned a thing or two with our experiences with the NGE

Hmm, he referenced the NGE by name! This could get interesting. So yes, we learned a few things during the NGE rollout...



and don't plan on repeating mistakes from the past

...and if we had to make the same decisions we'd do them just a bit different.



and not listening to the players."

This is where things get interesting. He didn't even need to include this part, but that he did is something else. He's openly admitting that not listening to the players was a mistake, considering that most of them at the time were anti-NGE rollout.

This breakdown specifically for those who just can't accept it -- Thy Dark Lord Smedley admitted it was a mistake to not listen to the vets about the NGE.



Remember kiddos, we were paying customers once ourselves! The same thing can happen to you! And probably already has if you've had any creative input for the game!

Rollotamasi

Originally posted by CadillacCTS

Originally posted by Rollotamasi

Originally posted by CadillacCTS

Originally posted by Rollotamasi

Originally posted by mcharj11

Originally posted by Rollotamasi

Originally posted by damicatz

http://forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m?topic_id=9105



"2. We do not plan on making any major changes to Vanguard. Any changes are going to come from the team itself. We aren't mandating any big changes to the game. We've learned a thing or two with our experiences with the NGE and don't plan on repeating mistakes from the past and not listening to the players."

LOL.  We've learned a thing or two with our experiences with the NGE and don't plan on repeating mistakes from the past and not listening to the players DOES NOT = I admit the NGE was a mistake.

Well actually he has admitted it, subtley but it is as an admition as far as im concerned.

I hope you never end up on a jury.I hope you never become a Judge!

Why?  Because I took the given statement, read it and understood it?  Or because I DIDN't take a statement and twist it to say something it didn't but instead something I wanted it to say?  Seems like the former is a much better trait for a judge to have then the latter.



Taking that statement and saying it means Smedely says the NGE is a mistake is the same as seeing a Papa Johns add that says "Buy a free large pizza and get another large pizza free!" and saying that papa johns is giving a way free pizza's.  True to a extent but your leaving out a crucial part of the statement. Understood it?? Well then why would he even mention the NGE? Your analogy has absolutely no realitivty to Smedly's statement. Let me ask you this then, what mistakes are Smedly refering to?

The mistake of not listening to the players.  From the given statement you can not draw the conclusion that he thinks the entire NGE was a mistate, you can however draw the conclusion that he thinks not listening to the players was a mistake, not the NGE in its entirety. 

JestorRodo

Admiting a mistake is part one , now to part two... doing what is right to fix it... so(e) far nothing.

abbaba

It's good to him admit that the NGE was a mistake. To me, this also says that maybe SOE will be open to creating classic SWG servers.

mindspat

I found the the following statement interesting since SWG only has 20 people working on it:

"we are bringing on approx 50 people from Sigil in order to insure that Vanguard continues to grow."

This next statement was even MORE interesting when you retain that only 20 are working on SWG:

"By way of comparison, this team is approx. the same size as the EQ2 team and I feel like that team has done an amazing job improving EQ2 since it's launch."

JestorRodo

Originally posted by mindspat


I found the the following statement interesting since SWG only has 20 people working on it:
"we are bringing on approx 50 people from Sigil in order to insure that Vanguard continues to grow."

/removespin SWG days are numbered

Tiller

Originally posted by Rollotamasi

Originally posted by CadillacCTS

Originally posted by Rollotamasi

Originally posted by mcharj11

Originally posted by Rollotamasi

Originally posted by damicatz

http://forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m?topic_id=9105



"2. We do not plan on making any major changes to Vanguard. Any changes are going to come from the team itself. We aren't mandating any big changes to the game. We've learned a thing or two with our experiences with the NGE and don't plan on repeating mistakes from the past and not listening to the players."

LOL.  We've learned a thing or two with our experiences with the NGE and don't plan on repeating mistakes from the past and not listening to the players DOES NOT = I admit the NGE was a mistake.

Well actually he has admitted it, subtley but it is as an admition as far as im concerned.

I hope you never end up on a jury.I hope you never become a Judge!

Why?  Because I took the given statement, read it and understood it?  Or because I DIDN't take a statement and twist it to say something it didn't but instead something I wanted it to say?  Seems like the former is a much better trait for a judge to have then the latter.



Taking that statement and saying it means Smedely says the NGE is a mistake is the same as seeing a Papa Johns add that says "Buy a free large pizza and get another large pizza free!" and saying that papa johns is giving a way free pizza's.  True to a extent but your leaving out a crucial part of the statement.  You made an account just to troll here didn't you? You aren't gaining any ground over here so I assume you just get off from getting in arguments with people who don't give a fuck about what you have to say.   It's like using water to put out an electrical fire. give it up.

Mr_Peabody

"We've learned a thing or two with our experiences with the NGE and don't plan on repeating mistakes from the past and not listening to the players." - Smed



That sounds to me like Smed admits the NGE is SOE's fault... not so much Lucasarts'.

wizyy

This statement would be something of a historical one, but... people really don't care now.
And there is no point denying it - Smed really admitted NGE (or at least going for it WITHOUT consulting the playerbase) was a mistake. Can you even imagine saying it more clearly than this?