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Lord.Bachus
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About one month before release some SOE programmers joined Sigil to finish the game fast...
I bet these coders put in some bugs to asure the game would fail, so SOE could take over easilly. If SOE takes over they'll remove the bugs. Combined with the bad marketing for the game by SOE this would make sense.
Just a wild guess but it could be soooooo true
I bet these coders put in some bugs to asure the game would fail, so SOE could take over easilly. If SOE takes over they'll remove the bugs. Combined with the bad marketing for the game by SOE this would make sense.
Just a wild guess but it could be soooooo true
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The game was rushed out the door AND the spinner guys for Sigil said so (of which themanthemantheman was one), so we pretty much knew it was going to crash if they didn't have a winning concept.
In a new release you can have EITHER solid code OR really good content and still limp along fairly well. People will forgive one or the other in a new title. If you have both then you're gonna be rich.
VG had neither.
It failed for obvious reasons that were left unfixed. VG died of neglect. (Which they might not've been able to fix in time as it had massive design flaws in addition to tons of bugs and crappy content.)
No what really happened was SOE sent some guys over there to spy on them and tell SOE HQ that Sigil was killing its own game. SOE realized this must be stopped to save "future profits" and took over the company. The end.
SOE did a good job with marketing.
Put in bugs one month before release? Well, obviously you didn't hear all those beta testers who asked Sigil to wait with the relase. That started several months earlier...
Theory failed, my friend
Yup, but much of it is really good entertainment
Agreed some of the people on here need to get out more,they really do
However, no one can tell me that SOE didn't intend for all this to happen right from the beginning of their dealings with Sigil.
SOE, one would think, would not have made any deal for Vanguard if they didn't see some potential for the game down the road. It would have to be very obvious the game would need a lot of additional investment of time, money and talent to ever live up to that potential. So, they would have two choices, invest additional capital before launch, so that Sigil and Vanguard could have a successful launch, from which they would have a portion of the profits OR rush the game to market, let Sigil, out of money, fall flat on it's face, scoop up the property in total on the cheap, then fix the game.
The second option seems to be what happened here, but it's a risky gamble. Even if they can "fix" the game, it's very hard for an MMORPG to recover from a bad launch.
Of course, it may just be more padding for Station Pass, in which case the game has no real chance of ever reaching it's potential.
SOE is Evil, pure and simple... To MMO Devs that wonder why so many of us groan when they enter into ANY kind of deal with SOE, this is why... It is a Deal with the Devil and those never turn out well.
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nope...now that u dont have THE hat....aliens can attack u now and take u away for 35 years....
It's as true as Richard Simmons NOT being a flaming closet homo.
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no but whoever did i bet they too got bought out by SOE ROFL
ya thats for sure....SOE cant keep their grubby paws off of anything...i bet also they created Area 51 and assassinated JFK....that one was Smed personally lol...they have time travel u know lol
Try again:
Ex-Sigil: There was input all around, but at each level, that input was simply discarded by the decision makers. Basically there were a handful of people who made decisions, regardless of input from anyone else.
f13.net: When it came down to actually making game content, how much freedom did designers have?
Ex-Sigil: Quite a bit. The content itself was done almost entirely on their own. The designers on Vanguard did amazing things with the horrific tools and systems in place.
f13.net: What tools were used to make the game?
Ex-Sigil: In-house stuff for the design side... but there was no scripting language for example, even though nearly everyone wanted one except for the people who decided if we got one or not.
f13.net: Because it would cost money to make these tools?
Ex-Sigil: No... because the people in charge just didn't want one
f13.net: How much do you think the lack of reasonable tools hurt the project?
Ex-Sigil: Immeasurably. You can't expect people to create interesting content, and then not give them the means to do it.
It sounds more like they joined the staff because Brad and Co had been pissing away money for five years with no product to show. Read the interview from F13. It sounds like they had to make content just to show at E3 2005 and 2006. Anyone remember that crappy Ogre fight video they finally released but it was all blurry with quick cuts to hide the lack of content and animations.
Kudos to the company for getting something out that worked at all in the midst of such inadequate management.
Brad is just like all these 19 year old celebrities/movie stars. He's immature and thinks that he knows everything and suddenly someone gives him mass amounts of money and tell's him he's brilliant but he still is mentally not ready:
Brad McQuaid: The Lindsay Lohan of MMORPGs (Except that she is at least kind of hot)
It's as true as Richard Simmons NOT being a flaming closet homo.
Dude, Richard Simmons is homo?I am so good, I backstabbed your face!
it relies on the competency and sheer genius of those who are suspect.
(this becomes quite funny when it's a government conspiracy)
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As someone who followed the game for a long time I can tell you that it was bad from the beginning. I am attaching a post that was written a year ago about beta. The Poster could not go into detail about how bad the game was but it shows that Vanguard was a abortion from the beginning.
www.fohguild.org/forums/mmorpg-general-discussion/22627-vanguards-serious-problem-fans.html
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But I will tell you what's primarily wrong with beta right now. You may find it's not what the typical critics would think.
These are from my own personal notes that I keep, yet refuse to post Itbecause of the assholes in that beta.
This is one excerpt:
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The forums take peaks of highs and lows. You can literally sense people trying to like this game. People trying suspiciously hard to find something to write about on the forums that's positive. Unfortunately, these recounts are absent of any detail and hardly convince me that there is something more I haven't gotten to see that will change my perspective drastically.
I often wondered why that is. I have drawn the conclusion that people are afraid to speak constructively based on the firing squad that sits there refreshing the screen every minute to see who would dare speak when not spoken to.
They default to debating about MMOG's in general as a result. This indicates strongly that people do see a barren and shapeless world before them, even though they dare not admit it publically. I get the sense they are thrilled for an opportunity to mold this game into what they want it to be. Egos run rampant in this regard and several of the more vocal beta players are insistent upon getting their ideas burned into the blueprint. Especially when these people notice that the ink isn't even dry on that blueprint.
I dare say, the imagined wonderful Vanguard they testify about on the forums, is a contrived line of bullshit used as a means to suck up to developers in order to get their own ideas written into the design. If the design was there, they would just be testing. But considering it's not, this leaves an opportunity for the wannabe-game-designer, to gain a captive audience.
And captives we are. Many an unhappy tester has been silenced regularly by these fanatics who put any and every comment under their own jaded microscopes. Unfortunately this activity goes unchecked by any form of moderation. Subsequently, what you get is nothing but chastisement by the regular fanbois who seek to mold this game the way they see fit. Anyone pointing out the existing flaws, is summarily lynched, tarred and feathered, despite the validity of their concerns.
Even a developer was called on the carpet by beta players as recent as two weeks ago. The disrespect and rudeness of the regular, vocal dissenters of MMOG-today, ruthlessly bit into this poor guy like a pack of wolves. Just as the animals they are, at the first smell of blood, they all wanted a piece of him. The crime? The mere suggestion that corpse runs were not a fun factor and should be removed to a lesser penalty then what currently exists in Vanguard right now. What did Brad do? He basically apologized for his staff's outburst.
There is also a curious hatred for World of Warcraft, specifically. Curious, because much of what World of Warcraft has done was based on the original Everquest design and expounded from there. It's certainly ironic how these fanbois will rip apart anything WoW, yet praise, anything Everquest.
To the detriment of Vanguard, they will protest any implementation that even remotely resembles a mechanic within World of Warcraft. Good or bad, it doesn't matter. If it's something within WoW, they want it O-U-T. Likewise, if you are from WoW, they want YOU out, too. They've already succeeded in driving out many of those testers. They're long gone and I can't say I blame them.
I can't help, considering all that, but feel pity for Brad McQuaid. Here's a man who started out with a "vision" and held an open forum for years before beta, allowing others to share his space and ideas.
Yet something happened between then and now. Something worth pitying the man over. His leniency and viewpoints were thrown back in his face from disgruntled game-junkies from all over the virtual world spectrum. Vanguard is where many of the disgruntled and disbanded landed to bum a free meal. In the process, they are now trying to steal the keys to his house and his car and have already taken over his computer. The only thing left is to just hand over the code because they've already gotten into his game.
How can you not feel sorry for a man who now sits out on his own front steps, wondering if he should call the police or the psycho ward to rid them off of his property?
The game may very well be lifeless due to the fact that he doesn't know himself anymore, what it is he should do.
The void in his game speaks volumes towards the fact that he fears developing it the way it needs to be done.
Let's face it, this is a very capable man. He's demonstrated that with his history. A man who created Everquest, wrote the design for the lands, the characters, the events, etc. He's not stupid by any means. Yet his new world reflects a man who fears even adding the simplest mapping feature, for instance. A feature, so subetly done this past week, but was met with OUTRAGE by touted old-school gamers. How can a man function under that kind of idiotic pressure?
Vanguard's progress is evidence that he can't. His FAQ is constantly thrown in his face. An FAQ that was written years ago and probably has been totally reconsidered based on the fact that under 100 people are logging into his beta daily. It's not because the game doesn't have potential. It's more probably because normal people don't have time, nor energy, to put up with the nuts in that place and that's the truth!
Note to the clueless FAQ-touter: That page was taken down last week. Without fanfare or notice, it was quietly swept off the internet and replaced by the infamous "page not found" message. You have to get the impression that MAYBE this guy has finally realized SOMETHING?
While realization is the first step and is a good thing, he still has yet to rid himself of the crackpot company he has allowed in there.
My suggestion is to close beta entirely. Shut it down and use the excuse that time is now needed due to the change of publishers from Microsoft to Sony Online Entertainment. Say that hardware restructuring needs to be done and don't hold Vanguard to any reappearance date. Shut down the forums with a simple message that you will be back up after the transition is complete.
Dump all your beta testers to date and start fresh after you're back online and have something done to offer them.
Put in the ideas you have wanted to add and improve without having to get "permission" from your existing, suicidal fan-base.
Maybe then you can go back to enjoying what you do best - designing games.
Not only does this post show the game was in trouble early on but it shows how the Vanbois contributed to it's downfall. They continued the same behavior until the recent Sigil announcment. See posts by Healz4u for examples of the nonsense.