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Will VG2 be better than VG1? (Poll)
Kedoremos
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(Note: VG2 is what I call Vanguard after what I believe will be it's resurrection and subsequent transformation at the hands of SOE and Smed)
I have hope that Smed might actually fix Vanguard.
Is it really possible?
- He admitted he made a great big mistake with the NGE.
- The same number of people currently work on Vanguard that work on EQ2.
- Albeit moderated, they restarted the VG forums which are rife with complaints (this is a good thing).
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Vanguard will be like The Matrix Online and Planetside.
It'll be there because they will have the funding from other games, but they wont put the manpower into it as much as you would like to think.
They'll have about 8 devs and some updates every now and then.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
Here here! Optimism for the win!
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I disagree because MXO and PS aren't current gen games and don't have the staying power over the next 8 years that Vanguard has the potential for.
Where will SOE get their revenue in the near-term? They're running short on profitable titles at the moment and I would think that they would maximize everything they have in their portfolio.
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I disagree.
MxO was considered an AAA MMO game at the time and they had the same problems as Vanguard did. Monolith sold it to SOE and at the time everyone thought the same thing.
It is virtually an identical situation. Identical.
Sorry....but that's what I think.
The inherent code in Vanguard is FUBARed to all hell and back. If you wanna truly fix Vanguard, you need to rip out the source code and start over. That's what happens when the CEO of the company screws (literally) with the PR rep at Sigil while his wife is down the hall in another office.
SoE has a lot of work to do to fix this game. There is so many things wrong with it, it aint even funny. I think SoE bought it just to get it out of their hair. That's my opinion. I seen it done by SOE and Im sure it'll happen again
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
One thing you may not have considered is this: Vanguard was heralded as the "true successor to EQ."
EQ2's formula differs greatly from the formula employed to make EQ a success. Vanguard's formula (assuming it has a cohesive formula currently and one that will stay over the course of its transformation) could attract those refugees from other more successful titles that have either failed or changed enough to cause players to lose interest.
The best case scenario is that some of the SWG refugees who aren't drowning themselves in EVE or AO at the moment will go to VG2 (that's what I'm calling Vanguard's post-transformation state). The people who left EQ and went to EQ2 but were unsatisfied and then left for WoW (I've met a bunch of these folks) but are now craving more depth will go to VG2. The same goes for other games.
VG2 can possibly become everyone's second choice MMO and in a market with this much money that ain't half bad.
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It would be worth it for them on many levels I think.
SOE simply owns the IP
Regardless I think the answer is: yes, it will be better than VG1.
Some people............
VG2
That made me laugh.
I got this mental picture of Brad pushing it to companies.
"It will be a complete copy of Vanguard 1 which was a complete copy of EQ1 which was a complete copy of some Mudd but this thing is going to be 4th gen baby!"
Get ready because some moron will give him the cash and tons of people will fall all over themselves to bow at the Shrine of Brad again.
"Do not fret! Your captain is about to enter Valhalla!" - General Beatrix of Alexandria
"The acquisition of knowledge is of use to the intellect, for nothing can be loved or hated without first being known." - Leo da Vinci
The extra 400k+ people Brad wants for Vanguard, contrary to his beliefs, aren't all just sitting around waiting for the newest 600 dollar video cards or their interest in Burning Crusades to wane; obviously Vanguard wasn't anything appealing and is due some big changes.
2. The same number of people currently working on Vanguard is the same number that works on EQ2? Sadly, it's still the SAME people period that worked on Vanguard in the first place, with the same management that led (or didn't lead) the game to its current state. So it's kind of difficult to find a positive thought about the same folks, only half as many, somehow being able to be anything more than half as effective as they were prior to the layoffs and acquisition.
3. As aforementioned, Vanguard is still under the same management. So if complaints fell upon deaf ears before, why believe things will change now? I suppose you could be optimistic and hope that Sigil's downfall was a wake-up call of sorts, but the safety blanket of SOE just might encourage even more cocky behavior.
Anyway, in my opinion, the best case scenario is that Smedley is lying to us about standing hands off, and that he's standing on Brad's old desk right now with a whip mandating huge changes while a legion of SOE developers fill up the newly vacant office spaces.
Could they fix it? Yes. Will they? Probably not.
The base design/concept/ VISION of Vanguard is just so poorly done it will essentially take a complete rewrite to make this game decent. How much time and money is SOE going to be willing to throw at Vanguard? Even if they get it playable.. how much more money are they going to have to throw into marketing it again, in what will be a very difficult battle to overcome Vanguards horrible reputation. I just don't see where it makes financial sense.. when they've already got a better game set in the same type of world.
SOE Where bad MMO's go to die...
erm...
SoE has some of the longest running MMOs out there...
EQ2 is easily the best (imo) straight up fantasy MMORPG on the market right now, on just about every level.
I don't understand your point.
SOE can fix it but why would they when they have EQ2.
I played vanguard from phase 2 til went live and stopped. horrible...
If SOE can fix it they have a ton of work to do :P and i doubt the game will anywhere.
I think V:SoH has a future. Hardware gets better and cheaper every day, Bugs get removed any day and performance will increase. Those who play EQ2 know that the DEVs even dont have a problem to revamp an older zone or place.
There is also a lot of Kung_Fu stuff in this game and once its stable and performing we even might see a SOGA upgrade and a launch on the asian market.
VG2 as you call it will actually come into existance as EQ3.
Is that a good thing or a bad thing?
That I do not know. *shrugs*
Its been available as part of the Station Access bundle since launch, Nos2,889,458,440,773,287
They may make a good game out of it but will people play?
Yes people will play but it will never have the thurst it could have had. EQ2 is now a game full of great zones %90 of which are under populated at anything below level 30. There will be a niche for this game but it will be a sad shadow of what it could have been.
This genre has far too many Fantasy MMO's, and its over saturated. SOE is going to have a hard time telling the consumer that Vanguard is not EQ2 and explaining why people should switch.
Personally I don't think I'll ever play this game again but I've been wrong before.
In constant movement the future is, impossible to see. ^^
EDIT: Seriously, I think telling how it will be atm is as valid as tea leaf of sheep intrail reading.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
Vanguard needs:
- TIME
- MONEY
Both of those things SOE has and can put into the game. My guess is the box sales probably covered most of the cost of the development, now, to make it an AAA game like Brad wants, they need the following:- Fix all major bugs
- Make the engine work within advertised specs
- Give fury races tails
- Turn on the sitting and lying down animations (this was coded in and didn't make it due to early launch)
- Fill in the world with content
- Finish the cities
- Redo the UI
- Polish, polish, polish
Vanguard does not need a overhaul in gameplay mechanics, just in terms of stability, bugs and polish. If the game had enough time and money to finish it, it would have been a top selling game.