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Mr.WizardMr.Wizard Member UncommonPosts: 243
in SWG Veteran Refuge

 

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/posts/list.m?topic_id=325536

its really unbelieveable, there is gonna be an auto-store for mounts that many don't like. But Blix / the dev team don't give a damn about it....

Blixtev:

This is one of those cases where we had to worry more about the potential griefing, and or interruptions causes by players running about with large mounts tagging behind them.  One of the reasons we made many of the Beasts at such a reduced size.  We know people will cause grief with them and in this case that outweighs the RP element

Funny, like RP doesnt matter anymore..why not announce the game has officially become a MMOFPS then? Its close to that anyway already

or this:

Blixtev:

I understand the frustrations you are all bringing up, and have read all your suggested solutions however none of them would solve the problem at hand.  Do remember when implementing new systems we look at them from a large a view as possible and try to avoid creating situations where people end up being jerks to each other for no other reason than the game lets them.

frustration? of course frustration! pretending to listen to people but then just do it YOUR way again.

problem? what problem? Only problem coming now is that you allow the system to decide for the player what to do and nobody wants that.

its like the days when the NGE was introduced..nobody wanted it..but still they did it cause they know what we want/like to play...

 

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  • ownedyou1ownedyou1 Member Posts: 364
    Obviously somebody wanted it or the game wouldnt have 120k subs.



    Your flame is useless.





    I want it.
  • 0k210k21 Member Posts: 866
    Bah, roleplay element? That's the most pathetic excuse I've heard, the roleplay element in SWG is gone thanks to the fact that almost the entirety of the roleplay community left.

    Quoting people doesn't make you clever, in fact, it makes you all the more stupid for not bothering to read the quotes you post in the first place.

  • Mr.WizardMr.Wizard Member UncommonPosts: 243

    Did you even see the thread? How many liked it? Maybe 1 or 2.

    Go to the development discussion board and see the Beast Mastery Feedback thread there. See anyone who likes it? Sorry dude, your on your own then

    By the way, i quoted the quotes for the lazy people who dont bother reading the thread 

    and still plenty of people role play...or at least try, but this is not the way to make it better..

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  • amaedictamaedict Member Posts: 54
    why allways see just the negative ?

    everyone has different views on things, some like it and some don't.

    the fact is that mainly only the whinners prowl the soe forums, that is why most posts are so negative there and the reason main reason none of the actual players take part in the forum activity is because trying to sort through 30 topics of people whinning about stupid little things to get to a good one is just annoying.

    NOT EVERYONE IN THE GAME POSTED THEIR OPINION THERE, so you cannot say none wants it. i know certainly i did not post my views there.
  • Mr.WizardMr.Wizard Member UncommonPosts: 243
    Originally posted by amaedict

    why allways see just the negative ? everyone has different views on things, some like it and some don't. the fact is that mainly only the whinners prowl the soe forums, that is why most posts are so negative there and the reason main reason none of the actual players take part in the forum activity is because trying to sort through 30 topics of people whinning about stupid little things to get to a good one is just annoying. NOT EVERYONE IN THE GAME POSTED THEIR OPINION THERE, so you cannot say none wants it. i know certainly i did not post my views there.
    Well then, do you like it? Do you want to be told what to do with your mounts? Don't you mind the devs going their own way again while its so obivious that auto-store doesn't add anything but unhappy people cause of it? Even though it might be a minior thing it just doesn't make any sense doing it this way..

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  • VesaviusVesavius Member RarePosts: 7,908

    I swear, even if SWG was the best ever game out there, I wouldnt play it due to the whingers and whiners that make up 90% of posts I read from current, or even ex,  players.

    The visible community of this game must put so many off.

  • amaedictamaedict Member Posts: 54

    i don't have a problem with you liking the feature or not, i already said people will have different opinions on the subject, it is after what makes us humans so unique.

    i do have a problem with your topic title "this feels like nge all over again."

    you totaly ignored all the positive additions to the game over tha last few months and of chapter 6 still to come and based a "nge all over again" catastrpohy based on one thing that you don't like.

    it just sounds a little silly doesn't it ?

  • Mr.WizardMr.Wizard Member UncommonPosts: 243

    whats so silly if its true that the devs do it their way while the people on the forums (call them all whiners if you want...thats a lie, obvious) and possibily quite a few who are playing instead of looking at the forums, don't want the change? Its not here right now so why would it be necessary? In that i see the same as what was done with the NGE.

    I said it might be minior..but still, why cant they just give in and do what their paying customers most likely want to see? Still doesnt make any sense..strange people those soe devs

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  • amaedictamaedict Member Posts: 54
    both chapter 5 and chapter 6 is FULL of changes that players asked for. the dev's knew there would be conflict because of the auto mount/store feature. they said it in their post, they also appoligized for it in their post, but they also said that they feel it is the right thing to do why can't you accept that and move on ?

    with nge they did not oplogize or anything, they just brought the hammer down on everyone, i really don't see how you can compare this to nge and even say that they are not listening to the players. if they did not listen to the players we would not have had such great additions to the game in the last few months. infact, the only thing that may yet save this game is the fact that they are now for the first time in 4 years paying attention to what the players want. but you cannot expect them to put every little thing you want in the game, you have to compromise as much as they do. they sit in an position where they have the advantage of seeying the bigger picture where as we just see the tip of the iceberg. for all you know they have a very good reason for making the change ...

    anyway, like i said, it is the topic title i have a problem with, that and the fact that you said they don't listen to players, which might have been true in the past, but certainly was not with the last few chapters.
  • jmpreissjmpreiss Member Posts: 49
    Yup, let me tell you. One little feature that doesn't even impact the entire playerbase (not everyone uses mounts) so feels like the NGE all over again. [/sarcasm off]





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  • DvolDvol Member Posts: 273
    Originally posted by amaedict

    both chapter 5 and chapter 6 is FULL of changes that players asked for. the dev's knew there would be conflict because of the auto mount/store feature. they said it in their post, they also appoligized for it in their post, but they also said that they feel it is the right thing to do why can't you accept that and move on ? with nge they did not oplogize or anything, they just brought the hammer down on everyone, i really don't see how you can compare this to nge and even say that they are not listening to the players. if they did not listen to the players we would not have had such great additions to the game in the last few months. infact, the only thing that may yet save this game is the fact that they are now for the first time in 4 years paying attention to what the players want. but you cannot expect them to put every little thing you want in the game, you have to compromise as much as they do. they sit in an position where they have the advantage of seeying the bigger picture where as we just see the tip of the iceberg. for all you know they have a very good reason for making the change ... anyway, like i said, it is the topic title i have a problem with, that and the fact that you said they don't listen to players, which might have been true in the past, but certainly was not with the last few chapters.



    Um they didnt listen during pub 8 about pub 9, again with the CU and finally with the NGE..Great additions?? They are rehashing precu stuff but in a less than the original form..No matter what SOE may add back in it still isnt as good as the original..IE the UI and target/auto lock stuff..So far the NGE may be better than it was when first launch, but compared to what?? the NGE isnt even as good as the CU was and it was horrible..

    Only thing SOE can do now is salvage the few players it has left..But bottom line is not many really care anymore what they change or add.I honestly think a 3rd massive revamp would stir up more intrest than what they are currently attempting to do..Problem is there is 3 SWG engines under the NGE and it shows..And Chapt 6 may be full of things players asked for but not many players left to upset..If SOE would just fix the Horrid UI and combat engine and put back in the profession system id resub..

  • LibblikLibblik Member Posts: 27
    Originally posted by ownedyou1

    Obviously somebody wanted it or the game wouldnt have 120k subs.



    Your flame is useless.





    I want it.
    120k subs?



    Sounds like you've never even played this game. Try logging in before you start trolling here.

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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,069
    Originally posted by Libblik

    Originally posted by ownedyou1

    Obviously somebody wanted it or the game wouldnt have 120k subs.



    Your flame is useless.





    I want it.
    120k subs?



    Sounds like you've never even played this game. Try logging in before you start trolling here. 120K would be on the high side right?



    I don't play SWG..but it was mentioned that the Dev's were doing this to prevent griefing by people.... were people griefing with mounts?  Maybe all the posters in the threads were griefers who are trying to use a lame RP excuse for keeping them....when that isn't their real motivation....



    I dunno, doesn't matter to me.... changing a RPing element doesn't seem that critical to me...

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  • fooflingerfooflinger Member Posts: 121

     

    Originally posted by amaedict

    why allways see just the negative ? everyone has different views on things, some like it and some don't. the fact is that mainly only the whinners prowl the soe forums, that is why most posts are so negative there and the reason main reason none of the actual players take part in the forum activity is because trying to sort through 30 topics of people whinning about stupid little things to get to a good one is just annoying. NOT EVERYONE IN THE GAME POSTED THEIR OPINION THERE, so you cannot say none wants it. i know certainly i did not post my views there.

    Agree 100%. I like it also BTW.

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  • BreaghaBreagha Member Posts: 131
    The only reason I even log in these days is to RP. Bantha - that's my big Kashyyykian bantha :P - is a pretty big part of my RP. Having him disappear everytime I turn my back is gonna be a downer. I don't really see how people can actually grief anybody by having out a pet. I find the idea to autostore them useless and a very big disappointment.



    I was looking very much forward to the Beast Mastery, but only because of the RP potential. The expectation was one of the few things still keeping me in game. Now, the feature is pretty much useless to me. *shrugs*

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  • SWGLoverSWGLover Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 539
    Originally posted by Libblik

    Originally posted by ownedyou1

    Obviously somebody wanted it or the game wouldnt have 120k subs.



    Your flame is useless.





    I want it.
    120k subs?



    Sounds like you've never even played this game. Try logging in before you start trolling here.

     

     

     

     

     

    120k subs?

    Hardly - I'd estimate 400k to 500k with the *huge* upsurge of new players. I have no doubt that SWG could top over a million players before the years out.

    It seems likely to me that SWG won't be that far behind WoW in maybe two years at the max.  

     

     

     

  • BreaghaBreagha Member Posts: 131
    Originally posted by SWGLover


    120k subs?
    Hardly - I'd estimate 400k to 500k with the *huge* upsurge of new players. I have no doubt that SWG could top over a million players before the years out.
    It seems likely to me that SWG won't be that far behind WoW in maybe two years at the max.  
    Heh ... very fitting forum handle :)



    And I think you might be a tad optimistic.... just a bit.

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  • Mr.WizardMr.Wizard Member UncommonPosts: 243
    Originally posted by SWGLover

    Originally posted by Libblik

    Originally posted by ownedyou1

    Obviously somebody wanted it or the game wouldnt have 120k subs.



    Your flame is useless.





    I want it.
    120k subs?



    Sounds like you've never even played this game. Try logging in before you start trolling here.

     

     

    120k subs?

    Hardly - I'd estimate 400k to 500k with the *huge* upsurge of new players. I have no doubt that SWG could top over a million players before the years out.

    It seems likely to me that SWG won't be that far behind WoW in maybe two years at the max.  

     

     

     



    your absolutely right...

     

    in a dream this will happen

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  • chlaoschlaos Member Posts: 1,118

    How does Blistex think mounts will be used for griefing any more than  other pets?      

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  • FluteFlute Member UncommonPosts: 455
    Auto-storing mounts is just lazy, there are plenty of ways to deal with how they could be "missused".   The problem I suspect is that the original design of SWG and the NGE targetting system  just don't really work together  in this regard, the mounts really can be a problem, but it is a problm of the NGE's design change not thinking that through properly first, as with oh so many other things in that switch.



    Sadly it is yet another chip out of what made SWG different, to go with the savage hacks that came with CU and NGE.  I liked that your mount did not evaporate when you got off it; just like UO.  But now they are just continuing to push SWG closer to EQ2 and WoW, or at least still trying.  I wonder what is next, really?  Take out space entirely?
  • irukandjiirukandji Member Posts: 253
    Originally posted by vesavius


    I swear, even if SWG was the best ever game out there, I wouldnt play it due to the whingers and whiners that make up 90% of posts I read from current, or even ex,  players.
    The visible community of this game must put so many off.
    Yeah, I have seen some other game forums that tear into SWG players. Some is true but some is still unfounded.

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  • Nikoz78Nikoz78 Member UncommonPosts: 910

    Have to agree; this auto store/mount thing is not something I want in live.

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    I miss the good ol' days when nerds were actually intelligent.

  • damicatzdamicatz Member Posts: 102
    I hope SOE is planning on banning all the fools that engage in PvP battles in the middle of crowded areas.  All those obnoxious graphical effects and noises ruin my gameplay and it's griefing. 
  • hubertgrovehubertgrove Member Posts: 1,141
    Originally posted by ownedyou1

    Obviously somebody wanted it or the game wouldnt have 120k subs.



    Your flame is useless.





    I want it.

     

    Do you have a link to any statement or table that shows SOE has 120k subs?

    If so, that's a sad decline from the days when Smedley boasted it had 620,000.

    No, I don't want it.

  • KravisKravis Member UncommonPosts: 186

    Originally posted by Mr.Wizard
    "We know what you want"  "we how you like to play"
     those 2 lines came up to me after seeing this
    http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/posts/list.m?topic_id=325536
    its really unbelieveable, there is gonna be an auto-store for mounts that many don't like. But Blix / the dev team don't give a damn about it....
    Blixtev:
    This is one of those cases where we had to worry more about the potential griefing, and or interruptions causes by players running about with large mounts tagging behind them.  One of the reasons we made many of the Beasts at such a reduced size.  We know people will cause grief with them and in this case that outweighs the RP element
    Funny, like RP doesnt matter anymore..why not announce the game has officially become a MMOFPS then? Its close to that anyway already
    or this:
    Blixtev:
    I understand the frustrations you are all bringing up, and have read all your suggested solutions however none of them would solve the problem at hand.  Do remember when implementing new systems we look at them from a large a view as possible and try to avoid creating situations where people end up being jerks to each other for no other reason than the game lets them.
    frustration? of course frustration! pretending to listen to people but then just do it YOUR way again.
    problem? what problem? Only problem coming now is that you allow the system to decide for the player what to do and nobody wants that.
    its like the days when the NGE was introduced..nobody wanted it..but still they did it cause they know what we want/like to play...
     

    Where exactly is your thread related to the "healing" change? The one that says "OMG this dev team actually listens!". Does it exist? I am going to guess it does not exist. The reason I point this out, this is where the SWG mob rose up and said "don't do it!" and they shelved their plans. Did you create a thread praising them for that change of heart? Why so many people can not accept that the current dev team is NOT following the old dev paradigms? Yet, so many wait for ANYTHING to happen that might aid in their propaganda campaigns. If you want to find out what the dev team is doing just follow the Dev Tracker not forums such as this one. At this point the dev team seems to be listening and implementing based on feedback from the community, which in itself can be dangerous.

    Yes, I think auto-mount should be an option that can be turned on/off. The devs feel it has a big griefing factor which I don't necessarily see but I am going to trust them on this one for now.

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