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Guild Websites: A suggestion
I've got a Warhammer fansite, and I was wanting to get some opinions on an idea I had. Now, this idea is not only for my site, but perhaps other sites could do this as well.
What if I were to make private forums for guilds on our forums? Only members of that guild would have access to the forums. They could also select guild members to be moderators of their forum. To be practical, the forum for each guild would have to be rather small . . for instance a "General Discussion Forum" and then maybe two other sub-forums of their choice.
The only people outside of the guild who would have access, at least at my site, would be the two admins.
This way, the guild could have their own forum . . with their own rules (since it is private) - plus, the guild members could also have access to the regular forums and features.
Again, this is just a thought. I wanted to see if the community thinks this is a good idea, and also if other site owners think this is a good idea.
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Bad idea Kelsonmac (not for you), but for the community. Less say we could thrust you then its was a nice feature,
but its not.
You as a Admin will still have access to all the forums and don´t tell that you would read the other forum youself ?.
Lets say its like this:
Kelsonmac (Main Admin)
Guild Crappy Orcs (Destruction)
Admin Happy Franc
Guild Mafiao (Destruction)
Admin Don Don
Guild Jelly Fish (Order)
Admin Pikeroke
You can easy read all that private information and use that for you own advantage. Even worse if you are playing on the same server you will have access to a lot of information about when a Siege is gonna happent. Its kinda like you will run you own version of Central Intelligence Agency. But again you have friends in FBI too.
I hope people will create there own website with there own forums to they can keep there information for themselfs.
Very good points you two, and I appreciate your constructive replies! You're right, it would probably be a good thing to try in a game that is heavily into RP. But in a game that has such a meaningful PvP (RvR) aspect, it's probably not the best of ideas.
Added links to other WAR sites to our site, if anyone could take a look and suggest some more that the community might find helpful, we will be glad to add them.
http://aion.24-hrgaming.net
Having the word Warhammer in your domain name doesn't make it a fansite. There isn't a shred of content or information on your site relating to the game. I realize your intent is to provide a place for fans of the game to get together, but in order to draw fans of the game you're gonna have to offer something that the existing TRUE fansites don't provide...and I don't see that happening. I'd worry about getting some actual content before I attempting to come up with any kind of clever gimmick.
Proud Member of Mongbat
Have you even visited the site?
On the main page alone there are always 10 recent news items in the "Warhammer Herald" dealing with tons of recent Warhammer news. In the forums there are embedded Warhammer videos featuring interviews and previews of the game. Of course, there are also forum discussions regarding RvR, classes and game mechanics. There are also links to other Warhammer sites on the main page so people can easily go get more information.
You said we needed to come up with things that the other fansites don't provide? I disagree with you. Sites should only provide information and opinions and be accessible to as many people as possible when they seek information on a search engine. I will admit that other sites do that extremely well! Personally, I don't care if someone gets the information they need from our site or another site, as long as they get it. But to answer your insinuation that we don't provide something that TRUE fansites don't provide . . . . our members can embed YouTube and Google vids in their forum posts, which will be a great way to quickly and easily show some great future RvR battles! Our members get free photo galleries, so they can share their Warhammer screenshots (and personal screenshots, if they so choose). Our members also get free member blogs, where they can chronicle their thoughts and experiences within Warhammer (or they can share cooking recipies, whatever they want!)
Again, I ask you, did you even visit the site?
But anyway, this thread really wasn't about any site in particular. I was trying to get input on a site feature that all Warhammer sites might be able to employ. A couple of people made some very good points and rightfully shot it down. At least the gentleman who built the site is trying to do something FOR the community. What are you doing?
http://aion.24-hrgaming.net
As far as the comment about providing something other sites don't provide, perhaps I could have worded that differently. But really, think about it. What is your site going to provide WAR's fan base that will make people want to use it over well-designed sites with established communities such as WAR-RvR and WHA? A shoutbox that takes up half the screen and a means to check the weather?
Regardless, my point is that there is a lack of real content relating to WAR by which to label it a fansite. You stated that you always have 10 news articles from the WAR Herald on the homepage (which don't seem to work), but the WAR Herald has only updated 5 times since the beginning of the year. That does not equate to tons of news. The very fact that you brought up the argument that you link to the Herald for news discredits your understanding of what's going on with the game. At this stage in development the Herald isn't a source of actual information on the game. So if you're not up to date on the game's progress, how are you expected to run a fansite?
You asked for suggestions, I gave suggestions. As a guild site it would be fine, but as a fansite? I think not...at least not at this stage.
Proud Member of Mongbat
I think you're mistaking us for someone who wants to compete with WAR-RvR, WHA and other sites. We're not. We're just a community site. Our site is what it is. If you like another site better, then I absolutely urge you to use the other sites. As long as the community is happy, that's all anyone can really ask for.
In fact, we have the links to the WAR-RvR site and WHA prominently displayed on our site. (Since you have problems with navigation at our site . . . here's a tutorial: Left-click on link. I know it's complicated, but with practice you will get the hang of it.)
As far as the shoutbox goes. yes, we've had people say it is too big. We have had people say it is too small. I guess it all depends on the resolution you're using. But the shoutbox can be minimized. All you do is click on the arrow, and poof it's gone. You can pretty much do that with any window at the site.
I look forward to more comments from you. Off to work now. Have a great day! Be safe out there man, lots of people on the road today!
http://aion.24-hrgaming.net
Everything in this post is pretty much accurate, I would just add the "subscription" that they are asking 5, 10 and 20 dollars for isn't a subscription to anything at all, it is simply a donation...to them...for that site...I would suggest you lower your "subscription" A.K.A. donation prices, it is unreasonable for you to ask a single person to pay for your entire years worth of hosting in one shot, better idea, host locally and forget paid hosting.
Heres another suggestion that might make your site more appealing, stop spreading rumors about other guilds in their recruiting threads, fabricating absurd lies about a guild and it's members is the wrong road to take to try to steer potential players to your site, especially when your lies can be disproven in a matter of minutes. 220 registered users say you are wrong, and to this point, not one person has backed up your story. So post your screenshots to prove your claim or find new tactics to "lure" new members to your failing fansite, because you have failed in this attempt, says the new recruits that registered after you made your claim.
Jab - "Conflict" Eliminator of After World
www.afterworldgaming.com
Jab,
Check your pm's in a few minutes. I'm sure the people here don't want to be bored with this discussion.
http://aion.24-hrgaming.net
Im sure the guys at www.afterworldgaming.com didnt want lies spread about them either, but you chose to make those false claims rather than post in the registration support thread or contact the forum admin using the email address given, which is khyber@afterworldgaming.com in case you missed it. With all the options to help people who have trouble with the registration process, I feel your motivation to spread lies about After World comes from somewhere else, because you were never asked for personal information.
The funniest part of your orignal post claiming that the members of After World were spamming their recruitment thread, is that I found a post on war-rvr where the OP makes the first 6 posts in his thread and then you bump it with a 4 word post (probably because he is registered on your website), meanwhile, the guild leader of After World who you have chosen to question the character of, has made sevral posts on his forums (which you never registered on obviously) to inform his members to make meaningful posts on other websites forums and not just post a bump posts to keep the thread on top.
So now you are not only a lier and drama queen, you are also a hypocrit, and you should have thought about sending PM's long before you made your post for all to see to try to steer members away from After World and to your website. You chose to make this public, I choose to keep it public, we have nothing to hide and we are still waiting for a screenshot of the verification email you got that asked you for personal information.
Jab - "Conflict" Extermination unit of After World
www.afterworldgaming.com
Kelsonmac, you are a sad individual, all you had to do is contact Khyber by email about that and he would have told you that you clicked on the wrong link. There has never been a problem with those links on the registration and we have 220 registered users. I think you owe Khyber quite an appology for getting his thread locked and I would encourage you to do so. As for spamming other threads, the members reply to posts where people are asking to join a guild. In the future, you may want to go through the appropriate channels to resolve common sense issues before making false accusations about other people.
Also, im going to post your PM here, because I am no longer going to associate myself with a site that makes decisions based on fabricated fairy tales and never investigates the matter for themselves.
Regarding donations. I take it you are "Uber", a gentleman who joined our site and asked a question about subscriptions in our forums.
I have no problems explaining to you about the donation system, but first you need a bit of history.
First, you have to understand that the site was built at the request of about 30 gamers who had been playing Lineage 2 together for 3+ years. They were interested having someone make a WAR site, and I suggested that perhaps Leggy could do it . . . if he had the time. I showed the guys a sample of Leggy's work, and they gave the go-ahead for me to ask him to build it.
Leggy is a very busy man. He has a stressful job (don't we all) and he is also planning his wedding. I told the guys this, and they said that there was no rush, and a few suggested that they would like to help pay for the site - and for Leggy's time.
Leggy agreed to do the site. At that time I told the guys that if they wanted to donate some money toward Leggy's work, they could go to http://tigerwoodscommunity.net. This is Leggy's site for another EA Game. It has been up and running for years, and he recently re-designed the whole thing. I think if you go to that site you will see startling similarities to our site. (By the way, Leggy goes by the name Tazz on that site). Anyway, I told the guys that they could go to the Tiger Woods site and make donations toward Leggy's work on OUR site there. Leggy simply put the subscription thing on the WAR site, at the request of the guys, to make it easier for them to access. It's really as simple as that. if you have further questions about the subscriptions, you really need to talk to Leggy
As I said, our site bears striking similarity to the Tiger Woods Community (TWC) site. Basically, the guys loved the site, so Leggy used it as the model for the WAR site. You may hate the features we have at our site, and that doesn't bother me at all. We like it, and there is almost always someone on . . . and 80+ members in under two weeks isn't all that bad for a game that isn't even out yet. We're not trying to compete with the larger sites. We don't want to steal their members, even if we could. We're just providing something a little different - nothing more.
As far as me spreading "lies" about you. I reported you to MMORPG.com for spamming your guild recruitment in multiple topics. I saw that you fixed the registration thing, and I was going to say so, but the thread was locked. I actually like your site, now that I was able to visit it without digging up my parents to ask for their written permission.
By the way, about that. It was a bug on your site that was either fixed by Kyber or fixed itself. When I went to register, the registration process asked me if I was OVER 13 or UNDER 13. I clicked OVER, and it sent me to the parental permission slip. I figured I must have clicked wrong, so I went back and re-tried it, and again it happened. The next day, I did not have that problem. I asked Leggy about it, and he said it was a bug. It happens. In hindsight, I should have tried to contact Kyber about the registration problems without posting here. I didn't. I sincerely apologize for that.
As a measure of good faith, I would like to add a link to your site at WarhammerConflict. One of your members already visits us every day, and he's a very cool guy. I enjoy talking to him. If you don't want the link, that's up to you, so just let me know.
- Kelson
PS Share this (or portions of it) on your website. Just don't do it here. I think the mods ban people for sharing private messages.
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In hindsight, I should have tried to contact Kyber about the registration problems without posting here. I didn't. I sincerely apologize for that.
That's part of the private message I sent to you earlier. I admitted to you that I was wrong. I'm wrong about a lot of things. That doesn't fix things, but in hindsignt that's all I can do.
Again, this really should be private, but if you want to go public with it despite my urgings, I suppose I can't stop you.
http://aion.24-hrgaming.net
Well, you posted before I had made my last post. I think I've been pretty fair in asking you to keep this private.
You see, the thing about our guild is that we're relatively small by your standards. While we only have 76 members, I can honestly say that I have been talking to each and every one of them for the past 3 years. We don't let just anyone in our guild.
It has been stated that your guild is doing nothing but trying to build a giant zerg. Is there anyone that you don't let into your guild? My case in point being that your guild leader, Kyber, seems to be much more obsesed with me than in running his guild. This is regarding the private message I sent you, that you so graciously re-posted above:
He sent this to Jabipia, as far as fixing something, nothing has been fixed because it was never broke. This idiot got our thread locked because he is too ignorant to click on the right link. You know what, I cant understand how some people even function and make decisions through the coarse of a day
Now, does this sound like a guy I should apologize to?
I should also point out that no, I am not this Dawkie fellow that you're talking about. Never heard of the guy until recently. I did not get your members banned from this site. Your members got themselves banned from this site. Perhaps you recognize some of these brilliant quotes from within the past several days?
- Our recruitment thread on xxxxx.com got locked because some jackhole told a bunch of lies about the recruiting process here.
- it is a big deal, we had over 2000 views as a guild
- is it me or is our new post been deleted?
- think youre right... i cant find it anywhere
- And now I'm BANNED at MMORPG.com?
- Maybe they'll just ban us all?..
- hahahaaha not me im under a different name and havent posted on any threads
- Wow there being stupid, we need to get that stuff back on the site.
- I can't believe Wuushuu got banned for a simple post. This is ridiculous
- I cant even access their homepage unless i know how to speak in tongues
- I didn't even post anything stupid.. didn't swear or call them idiots.. I simply used the report feature, saying that they could maybe look into unlocking it now, since I noticed that they deleted the two (last) post of the thread that were causing the trouble in the first place. "Kind regards, and my full name." 5 minutes later I was banned.. and shocked.
- the only thing i have posted on their site was explaining how impressed i was with where the guild was going. very disappointing
- Wow... that is ridiculous, 2 bans for trying to prove a point
- This is turning into a big soap opera
- my ban was for 120 days....
- Holly S___!!! Think I'll start looking for a different website for my MMO info needs... thats just cruel
- I was talking to a friend last night and we both feel that this may be Dawkie, a former member of the guild that got banned for disrespecting other members
You got banned because of spam. That is not my fault. I apologized directly to you for not using better judgement before I posted. You took my apology, and Kyber spat on it. Now it seems your members are gone AWOL, as is apparent by the "Where'd they go" thread, in which Kyber wonders at the lack of participation on your site.
If you're blaming me for all this, then I must be a God amongst children, because only a God could so easily divide a guild so quickly. No, I think it's a case of poor recruitment practices. You had yourselves convinced you were an elite guild. News flash for you . . the game isn't out yet.
Wrath has won the day. You are finished. Love ya. Buh bye.
http://aion.24-hrgaming.net
Wouldn't the guild already have a webpage and forum they would use. So it might not be needed.
I don't think a guild would want to go all over place to post in a forum.
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Happy! Happy! Joy! Joy!
Again you make assumptions, I figured you would have learned to think before you started typing by now. Did you just read the parts of their forums that you thought would make your case sound better? People werent on the forums "as much" because of finals, and where did you get the idea that the guild is devided? Maybe since you have had someone hold your hand and click on the right link to register now, you should find the thread where Khyber explains how they are recruiting, and why they are recruiting like that. How many times have you ever been in a guild where every single member you invited was active all the time? Ill answer for you, none.
When they get the active plaerbase they need to do whatever they want in the game with no outsode help, they will remove all the inactives and make recruiting invite only. You asked is there anyone that cant join After world, and the answer to that is no, everyone can join as long as they play destruction, but most will not remain, only the most skilled and active people will be in the guild.
As far as appologizing to Khyber, you need to appologize to the entire guild, you reported one of their members for posting After World information in a thread where someone was looking for a guild to join. You report someone who neither runs the guild or started the recruiting thread and the MMORPG team lock the thread and start banning After World members everytime they mention the site? Thats just all kinds of retarded.
Oh, and Khyber has little concern for you, dont humor yourself like that, he is very capable of multitasking, so he can deal with you and the guild and sevral other things at once, like clicking on the right links to register on forums. A divided guild is one that is failing or on its way out, you monitor their site obviously, so you know that the guild is as strong as ever. Oh, and why would you apply for guild membership with After World if you run another site and think we are out to scam people? Does that make any sense to you, maybe the scam isnt being run by Khyber after all, why dont you make yourself known on the forums, he wont ban you, he'll give you a chance to explain, hes like that where im not, I would ban you and give you a pink carebear signature. Man up Kel and go appologize to Khyber, he cant post here, he got banned for defending his members and himself.
One last thing, dont post a link to After World on your site, why would a self proclaimed fansite promote a guild site, After World is not a community fansite, it is a guild site only. Remember, man up, do what you should have done to begin with.
I suppose we'll just have to agree to disagree, my good friend. You've made several points, and I salute you for that. Good luck with your guild. Have fun! The floor is now, and evermore, yours.
http://aion.24-hrgaming.net
Edited to say on second thought the original post I wrote just isn't worth posting.
carry on.