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The WORST Vanguard screenshots: what went wrong
Elikal
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Ok, since we see a flood of doubtless beautiful screenshots, and VG definitely HAS some stunning vistas, there are many things which are really plain ugly. Due to system specs this shots were made in medium settings, so its what almost everyone will ever see. VG has some good visuals, but many textures and a lot of landscape design is just totally crappy.
VG prolly has the worst water I have seen in modern games. A totally transparent lake with... whatever that THING I was fighting was.
(The quest said it was supposed to be a turtle.) Note the elegant way I am STANDING INSIDE the water.
This is the Throne Room of the King of Thestra, in New Torgonor. Not really impressive, but ok. The thing is: there are a dozen NPCs stading around like glued to the floor and the room looks SO unroyally with the poo-brown interior and the lack of everything making a fantasy royal room I'd imagine. Not that anyone has ever seen it, since New Torgnor has ZERO function beside passing through to the docks anyway. Nothing here to see or do. And thats just with ALL NPCs. Wander through New Torgnor: all the about 4 dozens inhabitants are copy-paste of the basic vendors and trainers, lol!
I admit I have seen worse. This is Kojan. Cant recall where, since it all looks like this in the entire northern half. Bland an uninviting. Here is a good example how its not so much bad graphics, to VERY poor design. No highlights and things were the eye is drawn to.
Great maker, any teenager with a weekend of quick intoduction into texturing could make that! Ewwk.
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Part II
Learning about zones and lights, doesnt it look marvelous how the light of ends exactly at the zone borders?
A totally barren ocean with a hole: the fishs and sea life prolly escaped through it.
Generally this dungeon looked good, but it was quite dvoid of... atmosphere. Mobs were standing like nailed down and there was NOTHING going on or animated. It still feels so alpha to me.
Grey, grey and MORE grey... Who the heck is creating such breathtakingly boring vistas??
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You don't have to lie to kick it
I realize that posting anything about Vanguard will cause a bickering flame-fest fight. But... I agree with the OP.
When I played VG I had all graphics at max settings (I run on a high-end PC) and I had a similar impression of the game. Water was crystal clear... even when it was supposed to be a muddy lake... it was crystal clear (just like the OP's pics.) Characters were un-animated, just like the OP describes, etc.
It's funny, I wrote about these problems when I was in Beta for Vanguard, and all I got was angry fanboi flames. My prediction: although the problems are just as true now as they were then... you'll get lots of flames for bringing it all up again.
But thanks for putting yourself out there like so many before you who were flamed for speaking their mind!
- Phos
its funny I think most of the screens look good, given the size of vanguard the game looks wicked. Give me any mmo out there at this time and I could post the exact same type of screens. Actually i think LOTR online would be the most fun to do.
"Grey, grey and MORE grey... Who the heck is creating such breathtakingly boring vistas??"
I think Vanguard has the covered, this is the game running on full.
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Yeah, those look about right. I had my settings on medium and it looked pretty much like Elikal's. They don't look too bad imho; they aren't as nice as the doctored images that we see all of the shills/vanbois posting, but it's the performance, not the graphics, that is bothering most people.
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that made me lol irl
My PC is fine: It runs EQ2 on the second highest quality setting with a consistent 20+ fps (I couldn't ever imagine doing that with vanguard). The irony is that I made no comment about YOUR pictures, but you assumed that I had; so you're admitting that you're a shill/fanboy?
I guess the joke is on you.
This is a sequence of characters intended to produce some profound mental effect, but it has failed.
My PC is fine: It runs EQ2 on the second highest quality setting with a consistent 20+ fps (I couldn't ever imagine doing that with vanguard). The irony is that I made no comment about YOUR pictures, but you assumed that I had; so you're admitting that you're a shill/fanboy?
I guess the joke is on you.
Thanks for the reply,
EQ2 is a much older game, but yes the graphics still have there high points and your right, in towns Vanguard does have very bad performance. You made no comment on my pics, but my point was that my pics show the amazing vistas that are in the game and some cool fights without being docotred. I cant see many people doctoring there imgaes period.
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- 8GB DDR3
- Nforce 790i Ultra
Good point. I don't think everyone who likes bad games are fanboys in a bad way. But the bottom line is, this is a product-rich environment, so whenever someone sticks to a bad game it's easy to get labelled a 'fanboy'.
But there are many reasons some people 'stick' to bad games...
- Maybe you think it will turn around and you really love the idea of the game? (I believe this is a noble reason, and without these people sticking to the game it would most likely have collapsed after a mass-exodus.)
- Maybe you don't want to pay for a new game after you've invested your money and time in your VG character? This is like quick-sand in my opinion. The sooner you get out, the better.
- Maybe you started a character at release and you want the game to succeed so you can finally be at the 'top of the hill' of a game. These people post on forums like these in the hopes that new players will join so they can feel even more elite.
- Maybe you're addicted and you don't want to lose your crack because of a low subscriber base. Sad.
- Maybe they really don't know it's a bad game and there are better games out there. These people haven't played many other modern games to have a base of comparison.
But the bottom line is, all these categories still describe people with obsessive devotions to their game. Hence: Fanboy. It's not necessarily a derogatory term. Just get out there and experience the market. You'll have a healthy understanding of where VG stands in the pecking order of MMOs.
- Phos
My PC is fine: It runs EQ2 on the second highest quality setting with a consistent 20+ fps (I couldn't ever imagine doing that with vanguard). The irony is that I made no comment about YOUR pictures, but you assumed that I had; so you're admitting that you're a shill/fanboy?
I guess the joke is on you.
I agree with Moo on this one.
I have two 8800 GTXs and my pics were eerily similiar to the OPs. True, there are breathtaking scenes (the ones that the fans of the game posts a lot) and then there are these scenes were it was clearly visible that t he DEVs just didnt devote as much effort into (or they simply ran out of time)
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
the OP is right, that is exactly what the game looks like when you "play" it.
NOT what it can look like in a slideshow
I really dont talk about the game here only the graphics. As I said, it has good visuals, as Cladas and others screens shows, but also many quite ugly things, like a lot of textures and especially the way places and areas are designed. Many closed ups of building textures, floors, landscape look very underwhelming. Just IMO. It makes the game feel cold often. I respect if you like that colder look, but I feel the graphics of, for instance LOTRO are much more vibrant and alive. I enter a tavern and it looks like a tavern with the people making music, the taxtures, the design. Or I enter a dark forest and it vibrates magic and mystery. Compared to LOTRO many parts of the VG world feel sterile, and a lot due to the textures and design.
VG shines in those wide-look places, where you see a lot of sky and plains and distant mountains, but you dont stand on high cliffs gazing at the horizon in game all the time. Its a matter of taste, maybe some prefer it in that way, what I feel is cold, but my screens show some really bad things which are really beyond taste and objectively bad, like the water, many textures and other details. They arent taste, the just ARE bad and need rework.
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I havn't got a problem with the world, however the character models all look the same and all ugly cause theres hardly any character cutomization and the graphics are just plain ugly on them and feel lifeless.
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Good point. I don't think everyone who likes bad games are fanboys in a bad way. But the bottom line is, this is a product-rich environment, so whenever someone sticks to a bad game it's easy to get labelled a 'fanboy'.
But there are many reasons some people 'stick' to bad games...
- Maybe you think it will turn around and you really love the idea of the game? (I believe this is a noble reason, and without these people sticking to the game it would most likely have collapsed after a mass-exodus.)
- Maybe you don't want to pay for a new game after you've invested your money and time in your VG character? This is like quick-sand in my opinion. The sooner you get out, the better.
- Maybe you started a character at release and you want the game to succeed so you can finally be at the 'top of the hill' of a game. These people post on forums like these in the hopes that new players will join so they can feel even more elite.
- Maybe you're addicted and you don't want to lose your crack because of a low subscriber base. Sad.
- Maybe they really don't know it's a bad game and there are better games out there. These people haven't played many other modern games to have a base of comparison.
But the bottom line is, all these categories still describe people with obsessive devotions to their game. Hence: Fanboy. It's not necessarily a derogatory term. Just get out there and experience the market. You'll have a healthy understanding of where VG stands in the pecking order of MMOs.
- Phos
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanboy Now funny that most people i know playing Vanguard do not fit this catergory. Strange isn't it that most i know play so many game they actualy seem to understand things with Vanguard unlike people like you that i feel might only have exp. in one sort of genre. It us with many experiances with many different genre's that most likely enjoy Vanguyard and are able to run the game pretty decent.
Now if you too want to become a gamer i suggest you first do some research, maybe upgrade your pc but most important is to become less ignorant so next time you to might enjoy good games.
on topic. I honostly do not understand this topic, sure its intresting but its more like when i go on holiday shoot like thouzends of pictures and show the bad once to friends and family. So honostly only way i see this topic is that someone feel he needs to justify why he isn't playing and i do understand why it is someone doesn't like playing like that and some points the OP brought up are true indeed. But showing these shots is like what i just explained. I feel the OP can do much better then the topic made this time
I had a feeling of looking at a picture where I had to locate "the 5 missing pieces". Appart from a few graphical errors, everything looks quite good actualy. I cant see your problem. Or well, you problem is tech and hatred, not vanguard.
Cheers
I have to agree with the OP on this one; bland, lifeless and the textures need a hell of a lot of work. But then who DIDN'T know that. To play Vanguard at the moment you need the highest settings, recommended isn't good enough... shouldn't even be on the retail box to be honest.
If you want screenshots to drool over, just go to the main website, i mean those screenshots the companies pull out in gamemagazines etc are exactly how they look IN GAME (sarcasm overload). Come on, i was looking at screenshots for Halo 2, and played it on my xbox when it was released, i still look at the screenshots and go "wish it looked like THAT".
I went back to EQ2 and i have to say, much better than Vanguard and i was surprised at how much i enjoyed Neriak dark gloomy feel.
Lifeless, well in WoW there's always NPCs talking, children running (classic SW), orcs fighting or dueling in instances, in Shattah there's so much NPC action going on, it covers the screen. (i feel for that poor fruitseller i really do).
Even in Guild Wars where you expect a lifeless instanced game, you still see named mobs dancing while the 4 bodyguards watch (a quick bit from factions from the start in the snowy mountains)
pic 1: i agree. I know the place tho and it seems you are on low quality there
pic 2: You know, we have real castles where i live. Castles are exactly like that.
pic 3: What you say is wrong. The bamboo woods around Tanvu are alsmost a copy of real chinese landscapes
pic 4: 100% agree
pic 5: While its true, i call it bean counting. Its not realy visible in-game if light map ends at chunkborder
pic 6: True. Seaplants and fish where planned at some point tho. Maybe we will see them once. There are some in Qualia. But to be honest they are performance killers.
pic 7: /shrug. So what ?
pic 8: Whats wrong with desert ? Desert is like that. Dont tell me the area around the woodelf city has to many trees
The game lacks antialiasing like nothing else. And i will always agree that Sigil picked the wrong engine. I also agree that many places look like the are not finished or where finsihed one day before release. Well, we all know the story...
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