@Dvol There is your fault right there. you concerntrate only on the negitives, and frankly i think everyone is kinda sick to the point where they want to vommit if they hear one more person B!tch about nge. there is a vet section in the forum where all the boring people sit all day and moan about NGE, why don't you join them there, instead of trying to destroy descent topics here ?
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The refugee vets are just agitated because they are alienating everyone that has a positive opinion of NGE. They don't want those people over there, therefore they have no one to argue with. So, they break the purpose for each of these forums, and come over here and try to "infect" us with their hatred. It's sickening really.
Whats really sickening is your total lack of seeing past your own BS..Yes i disliked SWG yes i posted and opinion that didnt agree with all your lovely none bugged perfect NGE..I can Dislike the game and still play, theres many that do so just go to the official forums for all those wonderfull players..They cry and cry about eh same things many cried about from beta to present..Unlike most of those vets that claim to never touch SWG cause of SOE im not one of them..
one positive thing so youll get off my NGE disliking vet butt- Beast master is a step in the right direction ok you happy now? Oh wait that was positive Oh noes!!! Crazy but i never saw SWG at the start as perfect as some of you claim..It was better in MY OPINION but SWG will allways be a work in progress..What is sickening is the fact you cant get over the fact someone disagrees with your veiws of it being polished and not better than what it once was..Doesnt mean its not fun, doesnt mean it has things that do work..It hasnt been fun for me but IM CURRENTLY ENJOYING BEAST MASTER..hope you can read those large fonts..just remove the Rose colored glasses to see in black and white..
I wasnt insulting you i was pointing out i didnt agree with you and your views..And BTW Since Wow has talents and SWG has the expertise system it really shows your vast 3 year vet reward knowledge...Well all i ask is if its so balanced now why the current cries on the official forums to nerf anything? Again why is jedi one of the worst professions and 'weak' in your words? Balance would mean that no one was weak and all the same wouldnt it? It would be as strong as the best combat profession currently in the NGE according to you because its now balanced..Dont matter you love it i see its faults and much room for vast improvement in all areas its still just an opinion..
Dvol, stop invading the current player's forum. This is not the place for vets that hate NGE. That would be the Veteran's Refugee forum. Therefore, ship yourself over there. Since the vets that hate NGE are intolerant of having pro-NGE vets in the refugee forum, you need to stop invading this forum and posting your negative views. They are unwanted. Oh, and WoW's talent system isn't the same as SWG expertise system anymore... especially with BM in the mix for all professions (WoW doesn't have a uniform talent tree for all classes). So you're argument is moot.
Never once did i say the word Hate..And for you and your Rosey colored Yes posters i am currently playing..You can come to Lowca and do a /who mobosh 90 level elder jedi, or Mox 90 trader/master Beast master..So on that note....I see Room for improvements and lots of them..And SWG's Expertise is just like WoW's they are the same I PLAY BOTH..Do you? I didnt post negative points except for your lack of knowledge on subject relating to balance and what is considered balance.Also your lack of Jedi knowledge of them being supreme win all toons was also given an opinion..So yours is off IMO so what?.At least i do give the game a try each publish unlike some of the quote vets..And you'd think just because i disliked the NGE at the start and i still do think it needs lots of work but still give it a shot, means i cant comment except in the vet forums
If i hated it so much why waste 15 bucks to retry it out? If i went on every current posters words and not experience for myself then how could i see any positives for myself? Its not hard to dislike alot of things about SWG but still enjoy parts of it? I am currently a 90 trader and a master Beast handler..So i guess i should not ask Obriak for help or post any opinion even if its not the same as yours? i still dislike the combat and the UI but doesnt mean i dont like beast mastery..I find it funny alot of you current players take offense if i dont see SWG as perfect.It does Need Improvement and more things Added and polished..
I have a toon on chili :P havent logged him in in ages..Just because i think SOE is a blundering company who took parts of the game i originally loved out doesnt mean i cant Get back into SWG..Also i dont like fantasy games and am relearning SWG to have something to do.I still dont like it but Beast master isnt half bad so far..So get off my Vet status of 4 years and keep posting your Opinion only.. Thats right 4 years june 03 on 1 account and dec 03 on another..Ive seen everything and every change SWG has had.I survived those and protested but still played..SWG is a game that has parts yah hate and something that can change your dislikes enough to keep playing..Dont mean a darn thing its My 15 bucks to spend as i see fit...so
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Second, I'm currently playing SWG, and have played WoW in the past. (roughly 8 months on and off) Therefore, I call BS on your statement that the WoW's talent system is the same as SWG's expertise system. It's odd that you like the BM system, but cannot see that is what makes both systems different. With WoW's talent system, each class had their own distinct talent trees, to which none of them overlaped. However, SWG's expertise system was the same way, until BM came out. Now every class has a chance to learn BM expertise. This is different from WoW's talent system, as there are no general talent line that is the same for every class. Therefore, they maybe similar, but they are not the same due to BM.
Third, do you realize you are replying to the wrong individual when you are saying, "I didnt post negative points except for your lack of knowledge on subject relating to balance and what is considered balance." Check above my previous post to see who you were exactly responding to previously.
Fourth, kudos on you for actually trying it. Majority of the NGE-hating vets test it for like 5 - 60 min then totally write it off. I'm sorry, but that is far few amount of time to actually test a game to see if you enjoy it or not.
Fifth, maybe I have made myself come off too harshly. I guess that's because I tried to provide a bit of logic and sense over on the vets forum and was met with some hostility. Not to mention one individual basically told me to GTFO (not in those exact words) and pointed me to the vet forum rules. So, massive griping about this game really needs to be taken over to the vet forums, as that is the real purpose of that forum.
I wasnt insulting you i was pointing out i didnt agree with you and your views..And BTW Since Wow has talents and SWG has the expertise system it really shows your vast 3 year vet reward knowledge...Well all i ask is if its so balanced now why the current cries on the official forums to nerf anything? Again why is jedi one of the worst professions and 'weak' in your words? Balance would mean that no one was weak and all the same wouldnt it? It would be as strong as the best combat profession currently in the NGE according to you because its now balanced..Dont matter you love it i see its faults and much room for vast improvement in all areas its still just an opinion..
Dvol, stop invading the current player's forum. This is not the place for vets that hate NGE. That would be the Veteran's Refugee forum. Therefore, ship yourself over there. Since the vets that hate NGE are intolerant of having pro-NGE vets in the refugee forum, you need to stop invading this forum and posting your negative views. They are unwanted. Oh, and WoW's talent system isn't the same as SWG expertise system anymore... especially with BM in the mix for all professions (WoW doesn't have a uniform talent tree for all classes). So you're argument is moot.
Never once did i say the word Hate..And for you and your Rosey colored Yes posters i am currently playing..You can come to Lowca and do a /who mobosh 90 level elder jedi, or Mox 90 trader/master Beast master..So on that note....I see Room for improvements and lots of them..And SWG's Expertise is just like WoW's they are the same I PLAY BOTH..Do you? I didnt post negative points except for your lack of knowledge on subject relating to balance and what is considered balance.Also your lack of Jedi knowledge of them being supreme win all toons was also given an opinion..So yours is off IMO so what?.At least i do give the game a try each publish unlike some of the quote vets..And you'd think just because i disliked the NGE at the start and i still do think it needs lots of work but still give it a shot, means i cant comment except in the vet forums
If i hated it so much why waste 15 bucks to retry it out? If i went on every current posters words and not experience for myself then how could i see any positives for myself? Its not hard to dislike alot of things about SWG but still enjoy parts of it? I am currently a 90 trader and a master Beast handler..So i guess i should not ask Obriak for help or post any opinion even if its not the same as yours? i still dislike the combat and the UI but doesnt mean i dont like beast mastery..I find it funny alot of you current players take offense if i dont see SWG as perfect.It does Need Improvement and more things Added and polished..
I have a toon on chili :P havent logged him in in ages..Just because i think SOE is a blundering company who took parts of the game i originally loved out doesnt mean i cant Get back into SWG..Also i dont like fantasy games and am relearning SWG to have something to do.I still dont like it but Beast master isnt half bad so far..So get off my Vet status of 4 years and keep posting your Opinion only.. Thats right 4 years june 03 on 1 account and dec 03 on another..Ive seen everything and every change SWG has had.I survived those and protested but still played..SWG is a game that has parts yah hate and something that can change your dislikes enough to keep playing..Dont mean a darn thing its My 15 bucks to spend as i see fit...so
First off, learn some proper punctuation and spacing between sentences. It is harder than crud to read your posts. Sorry, i'm a very bad at rushing when i type. I'll try to not be so lazy, and i mean that sincerely..
Second, I'm currently playing SWG, and have played WoW in the past. (roughly 8 months on and off) Therefore, I call BS on your statement that the WoW's talent system is the same as SWG's expertise system. It's odd that you like the BM system, but cannot see that is what makes both systems different. With WoW's talent system, each class had their own distinct talent trees, to which none of them overlaped. However, SWG's expertise system was the same way, until BM came out. Now every class has a chance to learn BM expertise. This is different from WoW's talent system, as there are no general talent line that is the same for every class. Therefore, they maybe similar, but they are not the same due to BM.
Third, do you realize you are replying to the wrong individual when you are saying, "I didnt post negative points except for your lack of knowledge on subject relating to balance and what is considered balance." Check above my previous post to see who you were exactly responding to previously.
Fourth, kudos on you for actually trying it. Majority of the NGE-hating vets test it for like 5 - 60 min then totally write it off. I'm sorry, but that is far few amount of time to actually test a game to see if you enjoy it or not.
Fifth, maybe I have made myself come off too harshly. I guess that's because I tried to provide a bit of logic and sense over on the vets forum and was met with some hostility. Not to mention one individual basically told me to GTFO (not in those exact words) and pointed me to the vet forum rules. So, massive griping about this game really needs to be taken over to the vet forums, as that is the real purpose of that forum.
And i think i miss quoted you and ment to quote the talent system in SWG one. Even tho BM can be learned by anyone still doesnt change the fact it is just like WoW. We can just agree to disagree on that i suppose.
Also just because the forum says current makes no difference if whats posted is a negative remark. If something in the current game is bugged or not great it should be discussed in a current forum. The other forum is basically a place were vets like me can piss and moan about the old game and our disgust for SOE.
Heck i don't know how this strife between current players and those of us who have been there day 1. For me you guys accuse the vets of the very thing you and some bashed me for. Just because i feel the game is in need of more work has nothing to do if i play or not. I dont make up things just to see myself of the e-web. The hate goes both ways the over zealous currents vs the Negative disgruntled vets. I dropped the hate it accomplished nothing my beef isnt with the player base, it's all on SOE.
I can honestly say im enjoying being totally lost in learning the beast mastery things. I've spent like 4 hours trying to gather up all my resources to attempt a crafting session. It's been 2 years since i've atempted crafting anything other than a lightsaber. So for me to say one positive thing about the NGE is like a miracle. Really is, im one of those vets you guys hate who call you out on stuff because i see the faults and you dont( i was the same way precu) In order for SWG to recover for all parties alot more will have to change. Just because i disagree with allmost everyone in the current forums doesnt mean i can't be constructive. It's rare i know but im not affraid to admitt i actually liked something in the NGE..Oh noes hell hath froze over...
Granted this may not keep me playing long due to i have real issues with the combat controls and the GUI. But again at least next time i say something negative you'll know im not just a none playing nah sayer. I do have a sad fact that my server has only 100 active players left it was pretty baron. I was allways solo so its not much of a issue for me. Take this rare moment when i actually say one positive thing about the NGE. Beast Mastery is actually the right step forward and if more professions recieved similar love the NGE could be better. More work on the controls and combat would help, and i really need animations.
Both sides need to get over the us vs them mentality, not all of us hate anything at all.
I used to play SWG pre-CU/NGE with my friend and we both cancelled after those went live. I have tried the 10day trial few times and it has not impressed me to pay/play this again.
Its just so damn buggy and the animations suck or dont excist at all !? The classes cut to, what 8 ? and jedi as playable class.
Jedi should have never been put as playable class ever. it really breaks the feel of the star wars when the jedis are being played by the powergamer retards.
I remember when i met my first "jedi" back in the old days and he being total idiot /12year old and using "LOLOLOL" etc. really breaks the atmosphere.
now playing LOTRO and its pretty good, too simplified compared to the preCU/NGE SWG though, but has some potential and nice players
You have not mentioned anything that has not been mentioned before atleast 200 000 times. But, i do not believe you are correct on some of your info. Firstly : Jedi as a starting class is alot more balanced to jedi as an unlockable class. in pre cu to be able to keep up with elite classes you had to unlock jedi, otherwise you stood no chance, therefore there is alot more balance now. I think you are probly just pissed that you had such a hard time unlocking jedi and now everyone can start one from the word go, but in reality in the past the game was all about chasing the jedi unlockable toon, now instead it is more about building your current characters and having fun. So in reality nothing you said made much sense. I do agree lotro is an ok game, but it lacks depth as most of the other mmorpgs do and cannot even come close to SWG in this department. As for bugs, there are alot less bugs now than there was pre cu, so that is really a poor excuse, and animations ? PFFF - please, in old pre cu two jedi duelling looked like they were standing miles apart and not even hitting each other, kinda looked like a stick man system compared to the current combat system, also animations are getting a revamp soon to even add more improvement.
Um jedi being balanced relied on a little bar called FORCE without it you jedi was weak. You didnt have to be a jedi to be good obviously you never were one precu or any other time..Jedi shouldve remained hard to gain and hard to beat with the risk system still in place..Defining balance precu was based on what you were,what gear you had,what quality foods you could find/make, how good you were with your toon ect. There were many many varibles that made each build unique. Many times i see this unfacts based on things one never experienced cause they didnt play as a jedi or never built a pvp specific toon..Precu allowed you to do what you pleased but at a cost to being weak vs someone else or everyone else but one specific profession.
Balance is a farce and can never be obtained an why would you want a system were everyone is basically the same?.Precu wasnt perfect by any means but as far as being balanced it was based on YOU and other PLAYERS..The game may be quote balanced but yet you read the same cires and the same whines that profession A owns B C D E an F as before..When you have strengths and weaknessess built in to each profession is the only balance you will ever have.. NO game maker can ever balance peoples skills behind the keyboards.. SWG can only go up now its hit bottom hopefully more diversity will come as well as new professions..Still not good enough for me yet but i wait and watch till it may become Fun and intresting to me again..The current combat system just isnt good enough yet..
Please don't insult me, i collected my three year vet reward over a month ago and i have been playing the whole time, i think that my knowledge of the game is far superior to yours. Excellent for you. Are we turning this into a pissing contest? Firstly in PRE CU everyone had similar templates and there was absolutely no balance in the game. Outright lie. Come on buddy. If you're refering that usually Smuggler went with TKM or Pistols, or BH usually went with Carbines or Rifles or CM, you're right. But not everybody had the same profession. Its obvious that certain professions are gonna go better with each other. Dancer ain't gonna help Rifles. As for the balance issue, Games are NEVER balanced, there are always FOTM. Besides, do you really want a world where a Commando with a friggen Rocket Launcher can die against a combat medic with a few poisons? right now jedi can change their talents as they want, they can chose between a combination of Dark side or not, each jedi in the game is currently unique because of the talent system, Guess what? We had that before. And if you saythe talent system "Makes you unique", thats like me making twenty clones, and giving them all a different flower, and calling them unique. i won't deny they are far less complicated, but they are weaker as well, as it should be. Can't disagree with you there. In PRE CU most people were chasing to unlock jedi, atleast everyone i knew did, Not everyone was "Chasing" to be a Jedi. For some (Like me) A humble Smuggler was all they wanted to be. Some did it for the content. Some really did want the glowstick. Its likely Jedi shouldn't have ever been implimented, but thats not my call. right now everyone i know is questing, collecting armor, having fun, taking part in guild activities, helping out noob players etc Just like they were doing beforehand. ... the game is in FAR BETTER SHAPE NOW than pre cu, Umm, can you say, Bullshit? just go read some of the topics that returning vets are creating and read for yourself, these were people that flamed SOE for the last 2 years and suddenly they love the game again. Thats me. However, I'm not going to let you tout your lies and sugarcoat this game. Its in rough shape, and it isn't one ounce better than what we once had. does that not tell you anything ? and these topics are poping up on a daily basis too.... I think my point has been made.
I'm a current subscriber, and I'd like to say your "Facts" are Bullshit. Come on Buddy, don't pull the "You don't know what you're talking about" card, I'm a subscriber, and I Like the game, but don't go around saying "Oh, its better than ever, its growing, everybody loves it, it cures cancer and Puppies and Kittens play peacefully together inside it". I was out of the game for two reasons. 1. SOE screwed me. 2. The community was dead. My community issue was fixed upon my return, as I was pleasently suprised to see more than 10 people in Eisley. It wasn't as bad as I'd been told.
You see, the thing is, on one side we have the rabid fanboys, and the other the Angry Vets. Both sides are wrong, period. One will have you believe you'll be playing with yourself and that weird kid in the back of your fifth grade class. The other will have you believe everybody plays, including Jessica Alba (Damn, I wish she did!).For those looking for an honest opinion on this game...... Get yourself a trial, and find out yourself. You're not going to get anything useful out of anyone on either one of these forums.
We barely remember who or what came before this precious moment; We are choosing to be here right now -Tool, Parabola
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The refugee vets are just agitated because they are alienating everyone that has a positive opinion of NGE. They don't want those people over there, therefore they have no one to argue with. So, they break the purpose for each of these forums, and come over here and try to "infect" us with their hatred. It's sickening really.
Whats really sickening is your total lack of seeing past your own BS..Yes i disliked SWG yes i posted and opinion that didnt agree with all your lovely none bugged perfect NGE..I can Dislike the game and still play, theres many that do so just go to the official forums for all those wonderfull players..They cry and cry about eh same things many cried about from beta to present..Unlike most of those vets that claim to never touch SWG cause of SOE im not one of them..
one positive thing so youll get off my NGE disliking vet butt- Beast master is a step in the right direction ok you happy now? Oh wait that was positive Oh noes!!! Crazy but i never saw SWG at the start as perfect as some of you claim..It was better in MY OPINION but SWG will allways be a work in progress..What is sickening is the fact you cant get over the fact someone disagrees with your veiws of it being polished and not better than what it once was..Doesnt mean its not fun, doesnt mean it has things that do work..It hasnt been fun for me but IM CURRENTLY ENJOYING BEAST MASTER..hope you can read those large fonts..just remove the Rose colored glasses to see in black and white..
Never once did i say the word Hate..And for you and your Rosey colored Yes posters i am currently playing..You can come to Lowca and do a /who mobosh 90 level elder jedi, or Mox 90 trader/master Beast master..So on that note....I see Room for improvements and lots of them..And SWG's Expertise is just like WoW's they are the same I PLAY BOTH..Do you? I didnt post negative points except for your lack of knowledge on subject relating to balance and what is considered balance.Also your lack of Jedi knowledge of them being supreme win all toons was also given an opinion..So yours is off IMO so what?.At least i do give the game a try each publish unlike some of the quote vets..And you'd think just because i disliked the NGE at the start and i still do think it needs lots of work but still give it a shot, means i cant comment except in the vet forums
If i hated it so much why waste 15 bucks to retry it out? If i went on every current posters words and not experience for myself then how could i see any positives for myself? Its not hard to dislike alot of things about SWG but still enjoy parts of it? I am currently a 90 trader and a master Beast handler..So i guess i should not ask Obriak for help or post any opinion even if its not the same as yours? i still dislike the combat and the UI but doesnt mean i dont like beast mastery..I find it funny alot of you current players take offense if i dont see SWG as perfect.It does Need Improvement and more things Added and polished..
I have a toon on chili :P havent logged him in in ages..Just because i think SOE is a blundering company who took parts of the game i originally loved out doesnt mean i cant Get back into SWG..Also i dont like fantasy games and am relearning SWG to have something to do.I still dont like it but Beast master isnt half bad so far..So get off my Vet status of 4 years and keep posting your Opinion only.. Thats right 4 years june 03 on 1 account and dec 03 on another..Ive seen everything and every change SWG has had.I survived those and protested but still played..SWG is a game that has parts yah hate and something that can change your dislikes enough to keep playing..Dont mean a darn thing its My 15 bucks to spend as i see fit...so
<mod edit>Second, I'm currently playing SWG, and have played WoW in the past. (roughly 8 months on and off) Therefore, I call BS on your statement that the WoW's talent system is the same as SWG's expertise system. It's odd that you like the BM system, but cannot see that is what makes both systems different. With WoW's talent system, each class had their own distinct talent trees, to which none of them overlaped. However, SWG's expertise system was the same way, until BM came out. Now every class has a chance to learn BM expertise. This is different from WoW's talent system, as there are no general talent line that is the same for every class. Therefore, they maybe similar, but they are not the same due to BM.
Third, do you realize you are replying to the wrong individual when you are saying, "I didnt post negative points except for your lack of knowledge on subject relating to balance and what is considered balance." Check above my previous post to see who you were exactly responding to previously.
Fourth, kudos on you for actually trying it. Majority of the NGE-hating vets test it for like 5 - 60 min then totally write it off. I'm sorry, but that is far few amount of time to actually test a game to see if you enjoy it or not.
Fifth, maybe I have made myself come off too harshly. I guess that's because I tried to provide a bit of logic and sense over on the vets forum and was met with some hostility. Not to mention one individual basically told me to GTFO (not in those exact words) and pointed me to the vet forum rules. So, massive griping about this game really needs to be taken over to the vet forums, as that is the real purpose of that forum.
Never once did i say the word Hate..And for you and your Rosey colored Yes posters i am currently playing..You can come to Lowca and do a /who mobosh 90 level elder jedi, or Mox 90 trader/master Beast master..So on that note....I see Room for improvements and lots of them..And SWG's Expertise is just like WoW's they are the same I PLAY BOTH..Do you? I didnt post negative points except for your lack of knowledge on subject relating to balance and what is considered balance.Also your lack of Jedi knowledge of them being supreme win all toons was also given an opinion..So yours is off IMO so what?.At least i do give the game a try each publish unlike some of the quote vets..And you'd think just because i disliked the NGE at the start and i still do think it needs lots of work but still give it a shot, means i cant comment except in the vet forums
If i hated it so much why waste 15 bucks to retry it out? If i went on every current posters words and not experience for myself then how could i see any positives for myself? Its not hard to dislike alot of things about SWG but still enjoy parts of it? I am currently a 90 trader and a master Beast handler..So i guess i should not ask Obriak for help or post any opinion even if its not the same as yours? i still dislike the combat and the UI but doesnt mean i dont like beast mastery..I find it funny alot of you current players take offense if i dont see SWG as perfect.It does Need Improvement and more things Added and polished..
I have a toon on chili :P havent logged him in in ages..Just because i think SOE is a blundering company who took parts of the game i originally loved out doesnt mean i cant Get back into SWG..Also i dont like fantasy games and am relearning SWG to have something to do.I still dont like it but Beast master isnt half bad so far..So get off my Vet status of 4 years and keep posting your Opinion only.. Thats right 4 years june 03 on 1 account and dec 03 on another..Ive seen everything and every change SWG has had.I survived those and protested but still played..SWG is a game that has parts yah hate and something that can change your dislikes enough to keep playing..Dont mean a darn thing its My 15 bucks to spend as i see fit...so
First off, learn some proper punctuation and spacing between sentences. It is harder than crud to read your posts. Sorry, i'm a very bad at rushing when i type. I'll try to not be so lazy, and i mean that sincerely..Second, I'm currently playing SWG, and have played WoW in the past. (roughly 8 months on and off) Therefore, I call BS on your statement that the WoW's talent system is the same as SWG's expertise system. It's odd that you like the BM system, but cannot see that is what makes both systems different. With WoW's talent system, each class had their own distinct talent trees, to which none of them overlaped. However, SWG's expertise system was the same way, until BM came out. Now every class has a chance to learn BM expertise. This is different from WoW's talent system, as there are no general talent line that is the same for every class. Therefore, they maybe similar, but they are not the same due to BM.
Third, do you realize you are replying to the wrong individual when you are saying, "I didnt post negative points except for your lack of knowledge on subject relating to balance and what is considered balance." Check above my previous post to see who you were exactly responding to previously.
Fourth, kudos on you for actually trying it. Majority of the NGE-hating vets test it for like 5 - 60 min then totally write it off. I'm sorry, but that is far few amount of time to actually test a game to see if you enjoy it or not.
Fifth, maybe I have made myself come off too harshly. I guess that's because I tried to provide a bit of logic and sense over on the vets forum and was met with some hostility. Not to mention one individual basically told me to GTFO (not in those exact words) and pointed me to the vet forum rules. So, massive griping about this game really needs to be taken over to the vet forums, as that is the real purpose of that forum.
And i think i miss quoted you and ment to quote the talent system in SWG one. Even tho BM can be learned by anyone still doesnt change the fact it is just like WoW. We can just agree to disagree on that i suppose.
Also just because the forum says current makes no difference if whats posted is a negative remark. If something in the current game is bugged or not great it should be discussed in a current forum. The other forum is basically a place were vets like me can piss and moan about the old game and our disgust for SOE.
Heck i don't know how this strife between current players and those of us who have been there day 1. For me you guys accuse the vets of the very thing you and some bashed me for. Just because i feel the game is in need of more work has nothing to do if i play or not. I dont make up things just to see myself of the e-web. The hate goes both ways the over zealous currents vs the Negative disgruntled vets. I dropped the hate it accomplished nothing my beef isnt with the player base, it's all on SOE.
I can honestly say im enjoying being totally lost in learning the beast mastery things. I've spent like 4 hours trying to gather up all my resources to attempt a crafting session. It's been 2 years since i've atempted crafting anything other than a lightsaber. So for me to say one positive thing about the NGE is like a miracle. Really is, im one of those vets you guys hate who call you out on stuff because i see the faults and you dont( i was the same way precu) In order for SWG to recover for all parties alot more will have to change. Just because i disagree with allmost everyone in the current forums doesnt mean i can't be constructive. It's rare i know but im not affraid to admitt i actually liked something in the NGE..Oh noes hell hath froze over...
Granted this may not keep me playing long due to i have real issues with the combat controls and the GUI. But again at least next time i say something negative you'll know im not just a none playing nah sayer. I do have a sad fact that my server has only 100 active players left it was pretty baron. I was allways solo so its not much of a issue for me. Take this rare moment when i actually say one positive thing about the NGE. Beast Mastery is actually the right step forward and if more professions recieved similar love the NGE could be better. More work on the controls and combat would help, and i really need animations.
Both sides need to get over the us vs them mentality, not all of us hate anything at all.
You have not mentioned anything that has not been mentioned before atleast 200 000 times. But, i do not believe you are correct on some of your info. Firstly : Jedi as a starting class is alot more balanced to jedi as an unlockable class. in pre cu to be able to keep up with elite classes you had to unlock jedi, otherwise you stood no chance, therefore there is alot more balance now. I think you are probly just pissed that you had such a hard time unlocking jedi and now everyone can start one from the word go, but in reality in the past the game was all about chasing the jedi unlockable toon, now instead it is more about building your current characters and having fun. So in reality nothing you said made much sense. I do agree lotro is an ok game, but it lacks depth as most of the other mmorpgs do and cannot even come close to SWG in this department. As for bugs, there are alot less bugs now than there was pre cu, so that is really a poor excuse, and animations ? PFFF - please, in old pre cu two jedi duelling looked like they were standing miles apart and not even hitting each other, kinda looked like a stick man system compared to the current combat system, also animations are getting a revamp soon to even add more improvement.
Um jedi being balanced relied on a little bar called FORCE without it you jedi was weak. You didnt have to be a jedi to be good obviously you never were one precu or any other time..Jedi shouldve remained hard to gain and hard to beat with the risk system still in place..Defining balance precu was based on what you were,what gear you had,what quality foods you could find/make, how good you were with your toon ect. There were many many varibles that made each build unique. Many times i see this unfacts based on things one never experienced cause they didnt play as a jedi or never built a pvp specific toon..Precu allowed you to do what you pleased but at a cost to being weak vs someone else or everyone else but one specific profession.
Balance is a farce and can never be obtained an why would you want a system were everyone is basically the same?.Precu wasnt perfect by any means but as far as being balanced it was based on YOU and other PLAYERS..The game may be quote balanced but yet you read the same cires and the same whines that profession A owns B C D E an F as before..When you have strengths and weaknessess built in to each profession is the only balance you will ever have.. NO game maker can ever balance peoples skills behind the keyboards.. SWG can only go up now its hit bottom hopefully more diversity will come as well as new professions..Still not good enough for me yet but i wait and watch till it may become Fun and intresting to me again..The current combat system just isnt good enough yet..
Please don't insult me, i collected my three year vet reward over a month ago and i have been playing the whole time, i think that my knowledge of the game is far superior to yours. Excellent for you. Are we turning this into a pissing contest? Firstly in PRE CU everyone had similar templates and there was absolutely no balance in the game. Outright lie. Come on buddy. If you're refering that usually Smuggler went with TKM or Pistols, or BH usually went with Carbines or Rifles or CM, you're right. But not everybody had the same profession. Its obvious that certain professions are gonna go better with each other. Dancer ain't gonna help Rifles. As for the balance issue, Games are NEVER balanced, there are always FOTM. Besides, do you really want a world where a Commando with a friggen Rocket Launcher can die against a combat medic with a few poisons? right now jedi can change their talents as they want, they can chose between a combination of Dark side or not, each jedi in the game is currently unique because of the talent system, Guess what? We had that before. And if you saythe talent system "Makes you unique", thats like me making twenty clones, and giving them all a different flower, and calling them unique. i won't deny they are far less complicated, but they are weaker as well, as it should be. Can't disagree with you there. In PRE CU most people were chasing to unlock jedi, atleast everyone i knew did, Not everyone was "Chasing" to be a Jedi. For some (Like me) A humble Smuggler was all they wanted to be. Some did it for the content. Some really did want the glowstick. Its likely Jedi shouldn't have ever been implimented, but thats not my call. right now everyone i know is questing, collecting armor, having fun, taking part in guild activities, helping out noob players etc Just like they were doing beforehand. ... the game is in FAR BETTER SHAPE NOW than pre cu, Umm, can you say, Bullshit? just go read some of the topics that returning vets are creating and read for yourself, these were people that flamed SOE for the last 2 years and suddenly they love the game again. Thats me. However, I'm not going to let you tout your lies and sugarcoat this game. Its in rough shape, and it isn't one ounce better than what we once had. does that not tell you anything ? and these topics are poping up on a daily basis too.... I think my point has been made.
I'm a current subscriber, and I'd like to say your "Facts" are Bullshit. Come on Buddy, don't pull the "You don't know what you're talking about" card, I'm a subscriber, and I Like the game, but don't go around saying "Oh, its better than ever, its growing, everybody loves it, it cures cancer and Puppies and Kittens play peacefully together inside it". I was out of the game for two reasons. 1. SOE screwed me. 2. The community was dead. My community issue was fixed upon my return, as I was pleasently suprised to see more than 10 people in Eisley. It wasn't as bad as I'd been told.
You see, the thing is, on one side we have the rabid fanboys, and the other the Angry Vets. Both sides are wrong, period. One will have you believe you'll be playing with yourself and that weird kid in the back of your fifth grade class. The other will have you believe everybody plays, including Jessica Alba (Damn, I wish she did!).For those looking for an honest opinion on this game...... Get yourself a trial, and find out yourself. You're not going to get anything useful out of anyone on either one of these forums.
We barely remember who or what came before this precious moment;
We are choosing to be here right now -Tool, Parabola
Move on already. I'm enjoying the game