xp

AricB

Hi  I was just wondering how the xp works in Vanguard.  Is it like lotro where you have to do alot of quest the get the real good xp to level or can you just get a small group togather like on coh/cov , and like SWG use to be in the cu days and go out and hunt and still get good xp to level,or does the game force you to do quest if you wanna get any kind of xp to level?

Thank You

Yukkione

VG is designed to reward questing over just grinding by killing mobs. XP can be good for killing mobs depending on what your killing in relation to your level, but the quest that would have you kill the same mobs would pay significantly more.. IE Last week a group of us were killing lvl 43 mobs, each kill gave us over 11,000 xp but the turn in for the quest gave us nearly 200,000 xp. Nobody really just kills mobs to grind xp in VG. Hope that helps.

AricB

yes that helps out alot! Thanks man for the info

boojiboy

Questing is definitely the way to go for experience.  Grinding is a waste of time.

Vidan

Highly dependent on which class you play. My disciple benefits from questing, lacking a high overall killing speed. My druid, however, can massacre enemies with enough efficiency to make grinding arguably more rewarding. Doing some research and taking quests relating to the monsters you want to grind is the way to go.

sololoco

It doesn't matter whether you quest or grind with this game as it's a long, ardous, boring task either way.  They increased xp and it still the same boring way. You need to work your ass off like mad to get ahead, this is one reason people left in  the first place. They got bored sick trying to level up.

KariTR

Take no notice of those who say VG is slow to level. This is the fastest levelling game I have played.

boojiboy

Originally posted by sololoco

It doesn't matter whether you quest or grind with this game as it's a long, ardous, boring task either way.  They increased xp and it still the same boring way. You need to work your ass off like mad to get ahead, this is one reason people left in  the first place. They got bored sick trying to level up.

BS.  Leveling is quite fast in VG. Too fast in my opinion.  The issue with leveling this fast is that you can outlevel dungeons and quest-lines before you complete them.

Kraenee

Originally posted by boojiboy

Originally posted by sololoco

It doesn't matter whether you quest or grind with this game as it's a long, ardous, boring task either way.  They increased xp and it still the same boring way. You need to work your ass off like mad to get ahead, this is one reason people left in  the first place. They got bored sick trying to level up.

BS.  Leveling is quite fast in VG. Too fast in my opinion.  The issue with leveling this fast is that you can outlevel dungeons and quest-lines before you complete them.

yeah it's too fast.... I believe they should slow it down to L2 lvls so I can sit in my chair and rot for 3 years.  Cause as we all know it's the grind that keeps people wanting to play a MMO not complex questing and creative gameplay design.



"Hardcore" man "Hardcore"

monoth

Originally posted by boojiboy

Originally posted by sololoco

It doesn't matter whether you quest or grind with this game as it's a long, ardous, boring task either way.  They increased xp and it still the same boring way. You need to work your ass off like mad to get ahead, this is one reason people left in  the first place. They got bored sick trying to level up.

BS.  Leveling is quite fast in VG. Too fast in my opinion.  The issue with leveling this fast is that you can outlevel dungeons and quest-lines before you complete them.

I would agree with you if the quests were interesting and fun....   The only fun quest i've found on vanguard is the xeno dungeon where its based on solving puzzles and then at the end you get to put on a mechanical suit and take on the father....   I wish more quests were designed like this....

To bad in my questing to lvl 50 this was the only quest I would considered fun....   Everything else was Kill X of Y or Kill Y until it drops a quest item you need, of course you have to kill 1000's of Y's until one drops which is pure torture.....

I think the final nail in the coffin for me was the lack of customizing crafters had... I could only make 1 style of armor for each continent and I couldnt even color them..... Then there is no personal venders to setup in your house, so you couldnt create your own ninche bussiness (like you could in SWG)....    Even tho Brad said this stuff would be in the game, i don't see it being put in anytime soon...

Now that im Lvl 50 and my crafter is lvl 47, I tihnk im going to put this game on hold for 6-10 months and see what happens with it..

 

djnso

Originally posted by KariTR

Take no notice of those who say VG is slow to level. This is the fastest levelling game I have played.

You must have not played WoW or LOTR; leveling is much faster in both of those games.

Zorgo

Originally posted by sololoco

It doesn't matter whether you quest or grind with this game as it's a long, ardous, boring task either way.  They increased xp and it still the same boring way. You need to work your ass off like mad to get ahead, this is one reason people left in  the first place. They got bored sick trying to level up.

Dude stop hijacking every single Vanguard thread. You should be finished being angry and move on to something else.

If you were playing prior to the xp increase and found it boring, arduous and long, why did you continue to play? It seems that you did continue to play though...and its been what?  a month since the xp increase? And you are still playing?

I submit that you are either:

A. Lying and don't/didn't play Vanguard enough to know

B. Hate Vanguard and yet for some inexplicable reason still play it

Either way, you don't really have the authority to speak about Vanguard in a sane or rational manner.

If you are playing and paying for a game you find arduous, long, and boring you have some problems. In addition to the fact that you have let very few threads in this forum go by without your 2 cents on the evils of the game (and not constructive criticism either, it's flame-bait trash like this every time.

It's time to turn off the computer man, you are reaching that level of nerdidom that only the Comic Book guy from the Simpsons would apprectiate.

boojiboy

Originally posted by Kraenee

Originally posted by boojiboy

Originally posted by sololoco

It doesn't matter whether you quest or grind with this game as it's a long, ardous, boring task either way.  They increased xp and it still the same boring way. You need to work your ass off like mad to get ahead, this is one reason people left in  the first place. They got bored sick trying to level up.

BS.  Leveling is quite fast in VG. Too fast in my opinion.  The issue with leveling this fast is that you can outlevel dungeons and quest-lines before you complete them.

yeah it's too fast.... I believe they should slow it down to L2 lvls so I can sit in my chair and rot for 3 years.  Cause as we all know it's the grind that keeps people wanting to play a MMO not complex questing and creative gameplay design.



"Hardcore" man "Hardcore"

I think you've hijacked similar threads.   What is so threatening to you if players like to progress through the game at their own pace and make their own adventure with friends?  I've played this since release and I hit just hit 38.  I play a few hours a week, like to explore various quest lines and absolutely don't care about leveling.   The reason I say experience is too fast in VG is because I like to complete the questlines and get to the dungeon boss... I like the sense of completion.  For example, I loved RoTK but outleveled it before I could complete all the summoning quests.

It never ceases to amaze me why people think why the main objective of a MMORPG should be getting to the level cap ASAP.

sololoco

Zorgo, and you are? A company employee, maybe?

This is a forum, look up the word. It's for discussion or don't you know? Or maybe you think the only thing you can say is good things about Vanguard.  Because if that's the case  then there wouldn't be much of a discussion, now would there? 

Just because you're the games primer  "Fanbois" doesn't make your point of view the logical choice.  I did play this game and found it like the majority of the players: BORING!  And unlike you I'm not trying to convince others its worth playing.  Or do you actually believe the hundreds of thousands who played this game and found it as I did wrong?  Were they also "hijacking" threads when they stated they also didn't think this game was worth all the hype? Or when they stated their views and experience?    Huh?

WoW is a game I don't like all that much, yet, I played it until level 58 back when the max level was 60.  In this game I got to 19 and couldn't take it so that should tell you more then enough. 

It's boringly slow and... but why repeat all these things again. It's a well known fact all the issues ravaging this, your game. And not only known but well documented by thousands upon thousands.  Oh, but we're all wrong according to the games 'fanbois".  I see it like this, if Im going to defend something such as a game then I better make sure its a game well worth it unlike in this case.  I mean why go against the grain? 

You like it, fine. The very large majority who don't, fine also.  Some constantly write why they like it, fine. The large majority who don't, also write it, fine also.  If it's good for one side it should be good for the other or maybe it should be just the positives which as I said wouldn't be much to discuss.

Is this another hijack?

Zorgo

Originally posted by sololoco


Zorgo, and you are? A company employee, maybe?
Oh burn! You got me.....I suppose to argue on your level I should say, 'go back to WoW'...try a clever insult, because 90,000 subscribers (as quoted by the disgruntled employee right at the buyout) must all be employed by SOE. That insults hurts no one, well...it only hurts as we laugh. Believe it or not, I'm not on the payroll, I actually 'like' the game.
This is a forum, look up the word. It's for discussion or don't you know? Or maybe you think the only thing you can say is good things about Vanguard.  Because if that's the case  then there wouldn't be much of a discussion, now would there? 
Oh gosh, burn again! I guess your definition of forum is:
Sololoco can post any flame-baiting trash he wants and if anyone responds he can tell them they don't know what a forum is.
You put unsubstantiated garbage out there, expect to hear from people who like the game. It's a back and forth, not a sololoco gets to say what he wants without fear of reprisal.
You have a right to put trash in these threads, I have a right to call you on it. There's your discussion.
I didn't suggest you stop posting constructive criticism, I suggest you don't read every Vanguard thread, every day and put unsubstantiated garbage out there solely to hijack the thread. That's not healthy for you or these forums. We can have a forum on each game that centers around constructive discussion, or we can have a forum where people like you post nonsense simply to see if you can get the fire burning.
Just because you're the games primer  "Fanbois" doesn't make your point of view the logical choice.  I did play this game and found it like the majority of the players: BORING!  And unlike you I'm not trying to convince others its worth playing.  Or do you actually believe the hundreds of thousands who played this game and found it as I did wrong?  Were they also "hijacking" threads when they stated they also didn't think this game was worth all the hype? Or when they stated their views and experience?    Huh?
How long did you play the game? From what date to what date? Did you re-subscribe to see what the xp increase did? If so, how long did you play after that resubscription? All of those answers add to your credibility.
Primer fanbois? Not hardly, I'll address that in a minute, but first, does that make you the primer hater? Wouldn't that mean your point of view is also not the logical choice. You hate blind fanbois, but somehow, blind haters hold the truth. Hate leads to the dark side, it is only an illusion that your hate makes you 'right'. 
And btw, the majority who tried Vanguard didn't find it boring and that is not the major reason the majority quit. The majority quit due to performance issues and bugs, not to gameplay. Sorry man, you're part of a vocal 'minority' about the gameplay.
I'm not trying to convince people to play Vanguard. The vast majority of my responses to these threads have been to call out obvious B.S. from people who aren't actually playing the game. You have no authority to talk about VG's xp, because, you don't play. You have a valid point in a thread with a subject such as 'How do you like Vanguard?' or 'Should I try Vanguard'. This thread was about xp but you had to put your personal agenda in there.
I have always been realistic, and said, if you have the comp that can run it, and you can see passed the bugs and performance issues, it is worth a try, and I find it fun. But if you don't have the comp, if bugs are a gamestopper for you, then guess what Sherlock, I don't recommend Vanguard. So be careful before you assume I blindly promote this game, I am not a 'fanbois'.
I'm not trying to convince people to play Vanguard, but you are definately trying to convince people not to. I guess, if I were to drop to your level of argument, I should ask, which of SOE's competitors is sending you a check every month?
WoW is a game I don't like all that much, yet, I played it until level 58 back when the max level was 60.  In this game I got to 19 and couldn't take it so that should tell you more then enough. 
So you have proven two of my assumptions, you are both willing to pay and play a game you don't like and you didn't even make it out of the newbie levels in Vanguard, and therefore don't really have any clue about this game as it is today or for the majority of players who are now in their 30s and 40s. Guess what, I know more about Vanguard than you do.
 I don't post in the WoW forums. Why? I played a mage up to lvl 25 and decided it wan't for me. So I stopped paying them money, and I let people who do play WoW answer WoW questions. Would I be a better person if I were to check every WoW thread and make sure and add a 'I hate WoW' post to every one of the threads? No, I have a right to, but I have a responsibility not to. I simply don't know enough about WoW to speak with any authority other than to say, it didn't suit my fancy. Take a hint man, you have gone into the deep end.
It's boringly slow and... but why repeat all these things again. It's a well known fact all the issues ravaging this, your game. And not only known but well documented by thousands upon thousands.  Oh, but we're all wrong according to the games 'fanbois".  I see it like this, if Im going to defend something such as a game then I better make sure its a game well worth it unlike in this case.  I mean why go against the grain? 
Sorry to disappoint again, but I'm not a fanbois. I do not blindly recommend this game to everyone and I recognize all its shortcomings.  I think Vanguard is a game some, not all, in certain circumstances may like it - hardly fanbois. I still like the game believe it or not, and you are going to have to get used to it. I don't think you are wrong because you say Vanguard has performance issues, bugs and requires a beefy computer, those things are all true.  I say you are wrong because you don't play the game and never played the game past 19 so for you to spout off that you know what grinding xp is like in Vanguard is like saying an infant could pilot the spaceshuttle because he has a battery operated toy version.
You like it, fine. The very large majority who don't, fine also.  Some constantly write why they like it, fine. The large majority who don't, also write it, fine also.  If it's good for one side it should be good for the other or maybe it should be just the positives which as I said wouldn't be much to discuss.
The very large majority are not psychotically checking every thread of a game they don't play to post flame-bait trash, but if it makes you feel better to be accepted and feel part of a group, go ahead and believe you are like all the others.
It still seems you are under the assumption that I can't handle constructive criticism of Vanguard and I want to clean all dissenters out of the forums. This is far from the truth, I only want to get repetitive unsubstantiated garbage out of the forums by people who never made it past lvl 19 in a piss-poor beta test. Stick to the 'what's your opinion of Vanguard' threads, there is no shortage of them. This thread was about the xp increase, and you still felt obligated to come in and tell us our game was trash. How many potential new players of Vanguard were you trying to reach in a thread about the xp increase? None, you were just trying to piss off the players, so I'm throwing it back at you - take it like a man.
Is this another hijack?
Not really, you attempted to answer with more constructive criticism, I'll raise your grade to a D-

Tonev

Originally posted by djnso

Originally posted by KariTR

Take no notice of those who say VG is slow to level. This is the fastest levelling game I have played.

You must have not played WoW or LOTR; leveling is much faster in both of those games.

I agree 100% with this, I leveled up my Dwarf Guardina up to level 24 in less than 3 hours grinding quests (took me about 2-3 weeks in Vanguard). I have to say that leveling is no joke if you don't know where to go or what to do in Vanguard, couple that with a CTD and a massive xp loss upon death gives adv people a real headache.

As a "Necromancer" I have been soloing stuff in the game and have to say "grouping" actually hampers my xp flow, but as a Paladin grouping was better for me and gave a better yield vs time ratio (Paladins kill stuff very..very..very slowly). The statement made above is  true only if that person is grouping a lot, a Necromancer or a very low level (those are the only and fastests ways I know of leveling "too fast in Vanguard" besides using xp NPC exploits (some NPCs are giving waaaay too much xp for their level (10-11k) and people are exploiting them. 

iluvVG

First I would like to say...Amen Zorgo.



Second, I have never had trouble grinding for xp in VG.  When you get a full group together and hit a dungeon like RoTK, or CiS, your xp goes very fast.  I get sick of doing 30 minute quests for 2% xp, when I could just go mow down some mobs with a duo or trio and get 2% off 10-15 mobs.



I think its really whatever you find more fun.  Either can be rewarding, but if youre doing something you hate its going to seem longer. 



The best way to work it is to grind lots of mobs for a quest.

BrotherGrim

Originally posted by boojiboy



What is so threatening to you if players like to progress through the game at their own pace and make their own adventure with friends?  I've played this since release and I hit just hit 38.  I play a few hours a week, like to explore various quest lines and absolutely don't care about leveling.   The reason I say experience is too fast in VG is because I like to complete the questlines and get to the dungeon boss... I like the sense of completion.  For example, I loved RoTK but outleveled it before I could complete all the summoning quests.
It never ceases to amaze me why people think why the main objective of a MMORPG should be getting to the level cap ASAP.

Just so you know; you can do the quests even though you have out grown them level wise.  You may not get much experience for doing them, but, as you state you do not care about that, you can continue the quest to its completion.