No official subscription numbers have been released since the CU, that site is just speculation. Once again please use solid facts.
The official count was %20 left by Julio Torres. Countless others have joined and 'veterans' have returned,
Im sorry, but if 9+ heavy servers going down to like 2 heavy (and thats after people changed servers for more people) isnt enough proof than close enough graphs then im sorry.. lol. Enough said.
I don't know what Nuff means although i think i corrected it, as i said, no official numbers have been released, my server is doing fine and there are large scale battles everynight. All you can do is speculate falsely
No official subscription numbers have been released since the CU, that site is just speculation. Once again please use solid facts.
The official count was %20 left by Julio Torres. Countless others have joined and 'veterans' have returned,
Im sorry, but if 9+ heavy servers going down to like 2 heavy (and thats after people changed servers for more people) isnt enough proof than close enough graphs then im sorry.. lol. Enough said.
I don't know what Nuff means although i think i corrected it, as i said, no official numbers have been released, my server is doing fine and there are large scale battles everynight. All you can do is speculate falsely
Cool, well first off..you know well enough what 'nuff said' means, your just using it for a sorry excuse to pick at any english at an attempt at flaming. Secondly, if you can't fully comprehend the meaning of a large amount of 'heavy' servers in the past vs the consolidated couple of 'heavy' servers they have now, then im sorry, thats your issue not mine. By the way you forgot a period after falsely, just thought i would help.
Moving this back on subject, I think I agree with most of the people saying that others should try it again. I'm just warning them that they may not like what they see.
"Do not fret! Your captain is about to enter Valhalla!" - General Beatrix of Alexandria
"The acquisition of knowledge is of use to the intellect, for nothing can be loved or hated without first being known." - Leo da Vinci
In my opinion every former player should give the 14 days a try and then decide if the game is for them or not. I have to say that so far I'm really enjoying the improvments they made, the game is very fun to play, has lots more content than it used to have and the servers are not dead like somepeople here like to think. The game is cathing up and I'm enjoying the ride , but not everyone will like it, there are different tastes and different opinions and there always will be, Mine is in favor of the game, but you will find lots of people than are against, its normal and the best way is see for yourself and take your own decision
Muahahaha 22 months later I gave it a 40 day paid trial. In my opinion I found it guilty of 'fraud' and 'negligence', even though i knew i would be charged.
Fixed, your opinion is not fact, as par the 150k players.
And we are amissed to mention the 150k that was lost by the CU and the NGE . /move along ( to current)
Since we are looking at the chart noticed what Happen to EQ1 550k to 200K - WoW , I wonder what happened - muahahahaha - Love that Jestor!
No official subscription numbers have been released since the CU, that site is just speculation. Once again please use solid facts.
The official count was %20 left by Julio Torres. Countless others have joined and 'veterans' have returned, Where are you getting this "20% by Julio Torres" crap? That, and the 150k players, are COMPLETE FICTION. The ONLY thing Julio Torres ever said was that "80% of the people playing the NGE are veterans". There's a HUGE difference between saying that and saying "80% of the people playing during the CU stayed through the NGE transition". Link something to prove me wrong. My quote comes from his interview on G4 TV shortly after the NGE was released.
Where are you getting this "20% by Julio Torres" crap? That, and the 150k players, are COMPLETE FICTION. The ONLY thing Julio Torres ever said was that "80% of the people playing the NGE are veterans". There's a HUGE difference between saying that and saying "80% of the people playing during the CU stayed through the NGE transition". Link something to prove me wrong. My quote comes from his interview on G4 TV shortly after the NGE was released.
Owned. My point exactly.
"Do not fret! Your captain is about to enter Valhalla!" - General Beatrix of Alexandria
"The acquisition of knowledge is of use to the intellect, for nothing can be loved or hated without first being known." - Leo da Vinci
Ownedyou, that's cool you like the NGE. However, if you come in here pushing numbers and statistics that are easily refuted or challenged (Torres did not state only 20% left), you're gonna get challenged on that. I do wish that those who liked the NGE would have the candor to say:
"Look, a lot of people aren't playing the game compared to the days of yore. Some are coming back, but things are still pretty light. If you like PvP, you will still find some PvP and you won't notice the population issue as much. Yes there are bugs, yes Smedley has admitted what was done was a mistake one way or the other, but let's be realistic. Your not going to get Pre-CU. The game is still fun compared to other games out there in my opinion. I believe things are starting to turn around, and most importantly to me, I'm having fun playing it."
Rather most people playing the NGE who post here attempt to frame it as in the game is thriving, people's criticisms and concerns have no merit, and a picture of the NGE is painted that quite frankly does not correspond with reality when it comes to subscription numbers, server populations, and other market trends. (i.e. if things are flourshing so well, why did Smedley call what happened with the NGE a mistake?)
Rather most people playing the NGE who post here attempt to frame it as in the game is thriving, people's criticisms and concerns have no merit, and a picture of the NGE is painted that quite frankly does not correspond with reality when it comes to subscription numbers, server populations, and other market trends. (i.e. if things are flourshing so well, why did Smedley call what happened with the NGE a mistake?)
I agree full-heartedly with the poster above. This was my point with the 9 'heavy' servers (at pre-cu) vs the now only two consolidated heavy servers (current). Yes, pre-cu was jumping when compared to now, and anyone that doesn't agree with that is just a bit delusional, period. You can argue it all you want, but in the end its just trolling flamebait to such an obvious fact. Nuff' said.
"Do not fret! Your captain is about to enter Valhalla!" - General Beatrix of Alexandria
"The acquisition of knowledge is of use to the intellect, for nothing can be loved or hated without first being known." - Leo da Vinci
And wasn't it, Mr. Torres who once said to the effect of that the numbers of players had gone up since the NGE?
Yet was corrected by Mr. Smedly one month later in that the NGE helped to slow down the turn over rate.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
I hope someday, someone with the journelistic fever to ferret out the official numbers will write the book on the begining history of MMO's. By official numbers I mean the cold hard facts of actual subscribers, that stayed, cancelled, allowed their subscription time to expire (me ), and moved on to other MMO's. The MMORG Chart website needs updating.
I fully believe, beyond a shadow of a doubt, SOE made MMO history with the NGE, in so much it deserves it's own episode of History's Blunders on the History Channel. Such an episode should feature interviews with all the guilty partys and their peers who were helming their own MMO's in the market at the time.
My impression of the numbers:
The timing of the NGE in November only redoubled Blizzards efforts to take on some purported 200k or more (swg refugees) subscribers by quickly opening 10 additional servers, the fact of which the Christmas shopping season also had something to do with the adding additional new-comers to the MMO scene. After Christmas, Blizzard started more servers, hardware upgrades (because of the influx of cash) and further embolded them to give the green light to develope their first expansion. Unfortunately, Blizzard stalled delivering on their 1st promised release date. I left to play Eve Online till it came out.
My support for this thread:
I played and used up my free subscription time with SWG. I did this in favor of the WOW subscription time I am currently burning off.
Further Musing:
I have noticed a decline on the servers in WOW. I can see it by the declining amount of loot for sale on the auction houses. I am bold enough to proclaim these are the first symptoms of bored gamers who are begining to wonder "what else is out there to play?"
Further Musing: I have noticed a decline on the servers in WOW. I can see it by the declining amount of loot for sale on the auction houses. I am bold enough to proclaim these are the first symptoms of bored gamers who are begining to wonder "what else is out there to play?"
Other then TBC sucking so bad as far as EVERYTHING. and the fact ppl are bored I agree. WoW is slowling decending in players and subscriptions.
I played SWG for a year in a half, I been wanting to try SWG again but im currently playing EVE and really scared to try SWG again after all the lies and screw ups from $OE
The state of the game is far superior to how it was right after the NGE came along. I did my vet trial a month ago.
You can modify your UI to autotarget and to autofire, so combat is not nearly as stupid as it was. The weapons are not just props anymore, DPS actually means something.
The expertise system allows for some customization, but it's a direct ripoff from WoW, and you still dont have the flexiblity to customize your character as you once did, not by a long shot.
Beast Master does allow you to have combat pets again, but it's very unsatisfying to me as an old time MCH. I miss taming, I miss multiple pets out, I miss pet skins that conferred benefits and drawbacks; they're all just empty bags now with a minimum of specialization to them. BM is also very resource intensive to participate in, and to get full benefit from it, you have to sacrifice your profession expertise. So some of the classes are just not viable as BM (Jedi in particular).
The economy is still badly damaged, seeing as loot still pwns crafted goods, although finding the loot, especially for clothing/armor, is problematic. So armorsmiths still have a role, but not like they did. A player can get by on looted equipment and not suffer much for it.
One issue that will remind you of days of yore is the necessity, in PvP, to get all the buffs you can, and there are lots of buffs to seek out...faction/GCW buffs, food buffs, entertainer buffs, medic buffs. Not as drastic as the old doc buffs, but still, one does not PvP successfully without understanding the buff system and having them handy.
They've buffed up PvE content which is welcome, it was just too darn easy to kill things that should be dangerous to you solo without being in any danger at all.
CH, Jedi, Commando, Smuggler, BH, Scout, Doctor, Chef, BE...yeah, lots of SWG time invested.
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I don't know what Nuff means although i think i corrected it, as i said, no official numbers have been released, my server is doing fine and there are large scale battles everynight. All you can do is speculate falsely
I don't know what Nuff means although i think i corrected it, as i said, no official numbers have been released, my server is doing fine and there are large scale battles everynight. All you can do is speculate falsely
Cool, well first off..you know well enough what 'nuff said' means, your just using it for a sorry excuse to pick at any english at an attempt at flaming. Secondly, if you can't fully comprehend the meaning of a large amount of 'heavy' servers in the past vs the consolidated couple of 'heavy' servers they have now, then im sorry, thats your issue not mine. By the way you forgot a period after falsely, just thought i would help.
Moving this back on subject, I think I agree with most of the people saying that others should try it again. I'm just warning them that they may not like what they see.
"Do not fret! Your captain is about to enter Valhalla!" - General Beatrix of Alexandria
"The acquisition of knowledge is of use to the intellect, for nothing can be loved or hated without first being known." - Leo da Vinci
Fixed, your opinion is not fact, as par the 150k players.
And we are amissed to mention the 150k that was lost by the CU and the NGE . /move along ( to current)
per http://www.mmorpgchart.com/Chart2_files/Subscriptions_11327_image001.gif
Since we are looking at the chart noticed what Happen to EQ1 550k to 200K - WoW , I wonder what happened - muahahahaha - Love that Jestor!
No official subscription numbers have been released since the CU, that site is just speculation. Once again please use solid facts.
The official count was %20 left by Julio Torres. Countless others have joined and 'veterans' have returned,
There's a sucker born every minute. - P.T. Barnum
"Do not fret! Your captain is about to enter Valhalla!" - General Beatrix of Alexandria
"The acquisition of knowledge is of use to the intellect, for nothing can be loved or hated without first being known." - Leo da Vinci
Ownedyou, that's cool you like the NGE. However, if you come in here pushing numbers and statistics that are easily refuted or challenged (Torres did not state only 20% left), you're gonna get challenged on that. I do wish that those who liked the NGE would have the candor to say:
"Look, a lot of people aren't playing the game compared to the days of yore. Some are coming back, but things are still pretty light. If you like PvP, you will still find some PvP and you won't notice the population issue as much. Yes there are bugs, yes Smedley has admitted what was done was a mistake one way or the other, but let's be realistic. Your not going to get Pre-CU. The game is still fun compared to other games out there in my opinion. I believe things are starting to turn around, and most importantly to me, I'm having fun playing it."
Rather most people playing the NGE who post here attempt to frame it as in the game is thriving, people's criticisms and concerns have no merit, and a picture of the NGE is painted that quite frankly does not correspond with reality when it comes to subscription numbers, server populations, and other market trends. (i.e. if things are flourshing so well, why did Smedley call what happened with the NGE a mistake?)
"Do not fret! Your captain is about to enter Valhalla!" - General Beatrix of Alexandria
"The acquisition of knowledge is of use to the intellect, for nothing can be loved or hated without first being known." - Leo da Vinci
Yet was corrected by Mr. Smedly one month later in that the NGE helped to slow down the turn over rate.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
I hope someday, someone with the journelistic fever to ferret out the official numbers will write the book on the begining history of MMO's. By official numbers I mean the cold hard facts of actual subscribers, that stayed, cancelled, allowed their subscription time to expire (me
), and moved on to other MMO's. The MMORG Chart website needs updating.
I fully believe, beyond a shadow of a doubt, SOE made MMO history with the NGE, in so much it deserves it's own episode of History's Blunders on the History Channel. Such an episode should feature interviews with all the guilty partys and their peers who were helming their own MMO's in the market at the time.
My impression of the numbers:
The timing of the NGE in November only redoubled Blizzards efforts to take on some purported 200k or more (swg refugees) subscribers by quickly opening 10 additional servers, the fact of which the Christmas shopping season also had something to do with the adding additional new-comers to the MMO scene. After Christmas, Blizzard started more servers, hardware upgrades (because of the influx of cash) and further embolded them to give the green light to develope their first expansion. Unfortunately, Blizzard stalled delivering on their 1st promised release date. I left to play Eve Online till it came out.
My support for this thread:
I played and used up my free subscription time with SWG. I did this in favor of the WOW subscription time I am currently burning off.
Further Musing:
I have noticed a decline on the servers in WOW. I can see it by the declining amount of loot for sale on the auction houses. I am bold enough to proclaim these are the first symptoms of bored gamers who are begining to wonder "what else is out there to play?"
Other then TBC sucking so bad as far as EVERYTHING. and the fact ppl are bored I agree. WoW is slowling decending in players and subscriptions.
I played SWG for a year in a half, I been wanting to try SWG again but im currently playing EVE and really scared to try SWG again after all the lies and screw ups from $OE
The state of the game is far superior to how it was right after the NGE came along. I did my vet trial a month ago.
You can modify your UI to autotarget and to autofire, so combat is not nearly as stupid as it was. The weapons are not just props anymore, DPS actually means something.
The expertise system allows for some customization, but it's a direct ripoff from WoW, and you still dont have the flexiblity to customize your character as you once did, not by a long shot.
Beast Master does allow you to have combat pets again, but it's very unsatisfying to me as an old time MCH. I miss taming, I miss multiple pets out, I miss pet skins that conferred benefits and drawbacks; they're all just empty bags now with a minimum of specialization to them. BM is also very resource intensive to participate in, and to get full benefit from it, you have to sacrifice your profession expertise. So some of the classes are just not viable as BM (Jedi in particular).
The economy is still badly damaged, seeing as loot still pwns crafted goods, although finding the loot, especially for clothing/armor, is problematic. So armorsmiths still have a role, but not like they did. A player can get by on looted equipment and not suffer much for it.
One issue that will remind you of days of yore is the necessity, in PvP, to get all the buffs you can, and there are lots of buffs to seek out...faction/GCW buffs, food buffs, entertainer buffs, medic buffs. Not as drastic as the old doc buffs, but still, one does not PvP successfully without understanding the buff system and having them handy.
They've buffed up PvE content which is welcome, it was just too darn easy to kill things that should be dangerous to you solo without being in any danger at all.
CH, Jedi, Commando, Smuggler, BH, Scout, Doctor, Chef, BE...yeah, lots of SWG time invested.
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