Iran what should we do??????????

EricJLeach

I mean, they are led by a fruit cake with a insanley long name, who has said Isreal should be wiped off the map, and reccently said "the world will witness the destruction of Isreal in the near future" I mean they are asking for a war. They know if they attack Isreal the USA and Britan will come and help.

Iran has no chance, I think before they can attack Isreal, we should launch a premptive strike. Taking out nucluear facilities, and hopefully killing their leader..... It seems as the middle east will never have peace. Its like the west and Isreal vs the middle east.... Its weird. But the USA could already declare war, for lets see supplying terroists and weapons which have killed 170+ US troops. They are holding american citizens hostages under bogus charges, and want nucluear capability. We have stated we wont let them and they say they will. So there is a near future war, which is inevitable.


/rantoff
/discuss

Aelfinn

Let me put it this way, the last time we left Isreal to fend for themselves in a similar situation, (Specifically, when we let Saddam almost finish his brand new nuclear power plant, provided courtesy of a particularly idiotic French official.) They launched a stealth bombing operation, risking multiple jets on a extremely low altitude flight in order to blow it all to hell. We barely avoided a massive war in the region after the mission was a success.

This situation is no different, Isreal has no real choice in the matter, if no one else intercedes, they will save their country and their people by attacking Iran, there is no other course for them. In the end, we only have three choices, attack Iran ourselves if negotiations fail, get dragged into the resulting firefight when Isreal does, or watch the impending nuclear holocaust we might have been able to avoid. Care to guess which one will result in the least loss of life?

If this situation seems unreal to you, think of Isreal as a heavily armed African American who just walked into a bar owned, operated, and populated by the KKK. He's holding them off with a gun, but the minute the bar patrons think they can take him down without getting hurt themselves, he's a dead man. The only way he can survive is by shooting down anyone who tries to pull a weapon.

Lanmoragon

Originally posted by EricJLeach

I mean, they are led by a fruit cake with a insanley long name, who has said Isreal should be wiped off the map, and reccently said "the world will witness the destruction of Isreal in the near future" I mean they are asking for a war. They know if they attack Isreal the USA and Britan will come and help. Iran has no chance, I think before they can attack Isreal, we should launch a premptive strike. Taking out nucluear facilities, and hopefully killing their leader..... It seems as the middle east will never have peace. Its like the west and Isreal vs the middle east.... Its weird. But the USA could already declare war, for lets see supplying terroists and weapons which have killed 170+ US troops. They are holding american citizens hostages under bogus charges, and want nucluear capability. We have stated we wont let them and they say they will. So there is a near future war, which is inevitable. /rantoff /discuss

Of course Iran is the only country that has done something wrong.  The U.S. has done nothing wrong at all.  We are so innocent and Iran is a huge bully.



/sarcasm

EricJLeach

Yea I agree, it will be like 10x worse then the holocaust if Iran gets a nuke, that is why Isreal/USA/Britan need to litteraly destroy Iran so their facist people can just die.... Iran contributes nothing, they just waste space and food.

Aelfinn

Originally posted by Lanmoragon

Originally posted by EricJLeach

I mean, they are led by a fruit cake with a insanley long name, who has said Isreal should be wiped off the map, and reccently said "the world will witness the destruction of Isreal in the near future" I mean they are asking for a war. They know if they attack Isreal the USA and Britan will come and help. Iran has no chance, I think before they can attack Isreal, we should launch a premptive strike. Taking out nucluear facilities, and hopefully killing their leader..... It seems as the middle east will never have peace. Its like the west and Isreal vs the middle east.... Its weird. But the USA could already declare war, for lets see supplying terroists and weapons which have killed 170+ US troops. They are holding american citizens hostages under bogus charges, and want nucluear capability. We have stated we wont let them and they say they will. So there is a near future war, which is inevitable. /rantoff /discuss

Of course Iran is the only country that has done something wrong.  The U.S. has done nothing wrong at all.  We are so innocent and Iran is a huge bully.



/sarcasm

Oh shut it, last time I checked, the USA was not willing to potentially destroy all human life on the planet to achieve its own goals.

That happens to be the stated purpose of Iran's current president. For some reason, he believes that he is the one that will bring about the conditions necessary for the end of the world to begin. In this case, that means that everyone on the planet either must be dead, or converted to Islam. Nukes are not tools of conversion.

EricJLeach

Originally posted by Aelfinn

Originally posted by Lanmoragon

Originally posted by EricJLeach

I mean, they are led by a fruit cake with a insanley long name, who has said Isreal should be wiped off the map, and reccently said "the world will witness the destruction of Isreal in the near future" I mean they are asking for a war. They know if they attack Isreal the USA and Britan will come and help. Iran has no chance, I think before they can attack Isreal, we should launch a premptive strike. Taking out nucluear facilities, and hopefully killing their leader..... It seems as the middle east will never have peace. Its like the west and Isreal vs the middle east.... Its weird. But the USA could already declare war, for lets see supplying terroists and weapons which have killed 170+ US troops. They are holding american citizens hostages under bogus charges, and want nucluear capability. We have stated we wont let them and they say they will. So there is a near future war, which is inevitable. /rantoff /discuss

Of course Iran is the only country that has done something wrong.  The U.S. has done nothing wrong at all.  We are so innocent and Iran is a huge bully.



/sarcasm

Oh shut it, last time I checked, the USA was not willing to potentially destroy all human life on the planet to achieve its own goals.

That happens to be the stated purpose of Iran's current president. For some reason, he believes that he is the one that will bring about the conditions necessary for the end of the world to begin. In this case, that means that everyone on the planet either must be dead, or converted to Islam. Nukes are not tools of conversion.

I agree, the USA is protecting the world from a very grave threat. The USA may not always be right, but we do whats morally right and do whats in the greater good for the world.

InfernalSoul

Originally posted by Lanmoragon

Originally posted by EricJLeach

I mean, they are led by a fruit cake with a insanley long name, who has said Isreal should be wiped off the map, and reccently said "the world will witness the destruction of Isreal in the near future" I mean they are asking for a war. They know if they attack Isreal the USA and Britan will come and help. Iran has no chance, I think before they can attack Isreal, we should launch a premptive strike. Taking out nucluear facilities, and hopefully killing their leader..... It seems as the middle east will never have peace. Its like the west and Isreal vs the middle east.... Its weird. But the USA could already declare war, for lets see supplying terroists and weapons which have killed 170+ US troops. They are holding american citizens hostages under bogus charges, and want nucluear capability. We have stated we wont let them and they say they will. So there is a near future war, which is inevitable. /rantoff /discuss

Of course Iran is the only country that has done something wrong.  The U.S. has done nothing wrong at all.  We are so innocent and Iran is a huge bully.



/sarcasm Are you from Iran? Has America willing come out and say that we want to destroy a country and wipe them off of the map just because we have completely different religious views? Last time I checked we don't blow up Canadian buses or send small birds in to lay hellfire missiles down on a crowded street in our neighboring countries and say we are going to wipe them off the map. We are fighting a war based upon an idea to remove a hazardous group of people, even if its not the correct way to go about it.

EricJLeach

Originally posted by InfernalSoul

Originally posted by Lanmoragon

Originally posted by EricJLeach

I mean, they are led by a fruit cake with a insanley long name, who has said Isreal should be wiped off the map, and reccently said "the world will witness the destruction of Isreal in the near future" I mean they are asking for a war. They know if they attack Isreal the USA and Britan will come and help. Iran has no chance, I think before they can attack Isreal, we should launch a premptive strike. Taking out nucluear facilities, and hopefully killing their leader..... It seems as the middle east will never have peace. Its like the west and Isreal vs the middle east.... Its weird. But the USA could already declare war, for lets see supplying terroists and weapons which have killed 170+ US troops. They are holding american citizens hostages under bogus charges, and want nucluear capability. We have stated we wont let them and they say they will. So there is a near future war, which is inevitable. /rantoff /discuss

Of course Iran is the only country that has done something wrong.  The U.S. has done nothing wrong at all.  We are so innocent and Iran is a huge bully.



/sarcasm Are you from Iran? Has America willing come out and say that we want to destroy a country and wipe them off of the map just because we have completely different religious views? Last time I checked we don't blow up Canadian buses or send small birds in to lay hellfire missiles down on a crowded street in our neighboring countries and say we are going to wipe them off the map. We are fighting a war based upon an idea to remove a hazardous group of people, even if its not the correct way to go about it.



/agree 110%

Lanmoragon

No, we do whats better for us while trying to spin it so it looks the best for the world.



We are bringing "freedom" to Iraq, or thats the stated purpose.  Thats a load of shit.  Sure we took down an oppressive and horrible dictator, but the country is in a civil war now.  Besides the amount of casualties inflicted, our little invasion of Iraq has further destabilized our position in the world, giving further reasons and tools for Islamic (and others) extremists to attract more terrorists to their cause.



Don't get me wrong, its not like im on Iran's side.  I'm just not on Bush's side.  You guys are making it sound like the U.S. has had no part in this and Ahmadinejad has come out of the blue with all of the shit hes doing.  In case you haven't noticed, Afghanistan is the east and Iraq is to the west.  Tell me you wouldn't be nervous if China took control of Canada and Mexico and the U.S. as example sat on possibly the largest untapped oil reserves in the world.  Iran is the most vocal and powerful anti-American state in the Middle East.  The Middle East and Central Asia happen to have the largest oil fields and possibly huge quantities of undiscovered oil fields (Kazakhstan anyone).  On top of that Bush wants to put his missle defense system (which doesnt work, remember Star Wars?) in eastern Europe to protect against a threat from Iran, which also happens to piss of Russia.



So madman or not, I can't blame Ahmadinejad for wanting to get nukes.  I by no means thinks he should have them, but with the worlds most powerful invading countries on your main borders (plus U.S. friendly Turkey and Pakistans friendly gov), he needs to get something to defend himself with.



Don't tell me to shut it and pretend like the U.S. hasn't had any type of hand in this.  Thats a very ignorant approach.  Once again, im not supporting Iran (so dont flame me on that).

Lanmoragon

Originally posted by EricJLeach

Originally posted by InfernalSoul

Originally posted by Lanmoragon

Originally posted by EricJLeach

I mean, they are led by a fruit cake with a insanley long name, who has said Isreal should be wiped off the map, and reccently said "the world will witness the destruction of Isreal in the near future" I mean they are asking for a war. They know if they attack Isreal the USA and Britan will come and help. Iran has no chance, I think before they can attack Isreal, we should launch a premptive strike. Taking out nucluear facilities, and hopefully killing their leader..... It seems as the middle east will never have peace. Its like the west and Isreal vs the middle east.... Its weird. But the USA could already declare war, for lets see supplying terroists and weapons which have killed 170+ US troops. They are holding american citizens hostages under bogus charges, and want nucluear capability. We have stated we wont let them and they say they will. So there is a near future war, which is inevitable. /rantoff /discuss

Of course Iran is the only country that has done something wrong.  The U.S. has done nothing wrong at all.  We are so innocent and Iran is a huge bully.



/sarcasm Are you from Iran? Has America willing come out and say that we want to destroy a country and wipe them off of the map just because we have completely different religious views? Last time I checked we don't blow up Canadian buses or send small birds in to lay hellfire missiles down on a crowded street in our neighboring countries and say we are going to wipe them off the map. We are fighting a war based upon an idea to remove a hazardous group of people, even if its not the correct way to go about it.

/agree 110%  We are fighting a war based on "an idea"?  Thats exactly what we are not fighting a war on!!!  Have you ever heard the term oil and possibly heard about the military industrial complex?



And no, we don't bomb Canada.  We just bomb the fuck out of people in Iraq.  Thats so much better.



And there you go saying im from Iran just because I said something bad about the U.S.  Oh poor you, have I hurt your feelings going against your belief that the U.S. is somehow not quite what you think it is?

Lanmoragon

And once again, you guys seem to think I support Iran simply because I am bashing the U.S. and how its dealing with the Middle East.



I DONT SUPPORT IRAN.  GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEADS.

Size-Twelve

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Originally posted by EricJLeach

I agree, the USA is protecting the world from a very grave threat. The USA may not always be right, but we do whats morally right and do whats in the greater good for the world.

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I'd admire your spirit man, but don't be naive. It's a dangerous path you're traveling when you start waving the American war banner in rhythm to the politicians singing their songs. They know that Americans are patriots. All of us. It's part of our nationalism. It's part of our pride. Under the guise of that patriotism, many atrocities have been committed, not for the greater world good. But for the greater OUR good. It's the way things work man.

I'm also NOT happy with a military strike against Iran. It is not our job to enforce U.N. resolutions or act as the world's guard dog. Make no mistake, it will be OUR soldiers dying, and OUR money being spent should this thing get started. We are the country most capable of DEFENDING a nuclear attack, and yet we seem to be the only ones considering a PRE-EMPTIVE strike against a country for POSSIBLY developing one.

Where is Japan? Where are the Brits? Where's France? Spain? Germany? Italy? If the threat is SO great that we need to declare war, where are they? All these guys have more reason to want to prevent a nuclear Iran than we do. They are on the same continent. They are all free countries, so why don't they do something? If you get 6/8 nations that were at G8 to commit to a strike against Iran, I would vote to authorize troops and firepower. Until then, this is a war that we simply cannot afford as a nation.

Lanmoragon

Originally posted by Size-Twelve


 

Originally posted by EricJLeach



I agree, the USA is protecting the world from a very grave threat. The USA may not always be right, but we do whats morally right and do whats in the greater good for the world.

I'd admire your spirit man, but don't be naive. It's a dangerous path you're traveling when you start waving the American war banner in rhythm to the politicians singing their songs. They know that Americans are patriots. All of us. It's part of our nationalism. It's part of our pride. Under the guise of that patriotism, many atrocities have been committed, not for the greater world good. But for the greater OUR good. It's the way things work man.

I'm also NOT happy with a military strike against Iran. It is not our job to enforce U.N. resolutions or act as the world's guard dog. Make no mistake, it will be OUR soldiers dying, and OUR money being spent should this thing get started. We are the country most capable of DEFENDING a nuclear attack, and yet we seem to be the only ones considering a PRE-EMPTIVE strike against a country for POSSIBLY developing one.

Where is Japan? Where are the Brits? Where's France? Spain? Germany? Italy? If the threat is SO great that we need to declare war, where are they? All these guys have more reason to want to prevent a nuclear Iran than we do. They are on the same continent. They are all free countries, so why don't they do something? If you get 6/8 nations that were at G8 to commit to a strike against Iran, I would vote to authorize troops and firepower. Until then, this is a war that we simply cannot afford as a nation.

 

I agree with you.



Sorry for sounding pissed in my earlier posts, but its frustrating because I think if I were to talk face to face with you guys, what I am saying would sound much different.  Its just hard to get the proper tone and emotions out over the net.



I personally might support a strike by the U.S. if it gets bad enough.  In the past the U.N. (and the League of Nations when it existed) failed to act on alot of stuff.  World War II happened partly because of this; the allies fears of taking action against Germany until it was too late.



Even right now the U.N. fails to take action in many issues of the world.  The Darfur region?  Thats a huge crisis and the U.N. has failed to act in a significant way.



What I was trying to convey in my earlier posts was not that I dont think Iran is a threat.  I think they are a threat and would indeed support a strike against them under certain conditions.



I guess I was mostly trying to say that the U.S. isn't the knight in shining armor in this story.

Pyrite

Originally posted by EricJLeach

Yea I agree, it will be like 10x worse then the holocaust if Iran gets a nuke, that is why Isreal/USA/Britan need to litteraly destroy Iran so their facist people can just die.... Iran contributes nothing, they just waste space and food.

So you propose committing a genocide to stop a genocide?



Your knowledge of the region and the history seems quite limited.  Iran would not nuke Israel.  The city of Jerusalem is just as important to Islam as it is to Judaism and Christianity.  And just to be selfish...Iran contributes quite a bit of oil to the global market.



It's a shame they are ruled by a power hungry little weasel and religious fanaticism, but wiping out an entire population is not the answer.  We're supposed to be the good guys.  Let's act like it.

zakk_

this region is a talking point for the west whilst china goes about its business.



the chinese will be the next  "jews",that the west is so concentrated upon.



"hey those guys are gathering the wealth,blow em up!"



lol



a few nukes will be scattered on the region then the usa and europe will look up and see china busying itself in space.



humans are so fubar.it's over guys,we're all on the same dirt-ball.lmao

Bigdavo

 

OP - If you want to post on the subject at least know what you're talking about. The fact that you want to wipe an entire country off the map shows your level of maturity concerning the subject.

Phoenixs

Well he is 16, has a retarded signature and he comes from Pahrump. What do you expect?



PS: Are you really from Pahrump? Or did you do like me and watched the 2 Studio 60 episodes?

Amalaric

This pre-emptive strike thing is pure bullshit.

What if Adolf Hitler said: Those polish people are threatening my people, I must attack.

Or Josef Stalin: Those finnish people are threatening my people, I must attack.

Or the Emperor of Japan: Those chinese people are threatening my people, I must attack.

Do you get my point?!

MadAce

Originally posted by EricJLeach

I mean, they are led by a fruit cake

Awesome, starting with an open mind.

with a insanley long name

Ok, you're right. He's downright evil.

, who has said Isreal should be wiped off the map,

Propaganda, he wants to stay in office, doesn't he? It's a bit like some country's administration would start a fake (or even cold) war so they could give themselves exceptional powers to achieve their economic goals.

and reccently said "the world will witness the destruction of Isreal in the near future"

The Iran regime has been saying that ever since it emerged. So what?

I mean they are asking for a war.

You're a puppet, you know that?

They know if they attack Isreal the USA and Britan will come and help. Iran has no chance,

They know that'll happen and they know that everyone (apart from people who know anything about war, not the noobs at real life who shout "OMFG, i tink my cuntry shud invad al otter cuntries cause its the pwnzorz!!!111!!!11!!) gravely underestimates Iran. Iran is economically immensely important to the US and the EU and contrary to Saddam's Iraq Iran actually hasa noteworthy military.

 I think before they can attack Isreal, we should launch a premptive strike.

I think before "you" (I take it won't be YOU risking your life?) do that YOU should do some pre-emptive thinking.

Taking out nucluear facilities, and hopefully killing their leader.....

Tell them bombers to "aim for the underground lair of the evil leader and his henchmen". You really think they won't just ELECT (yep, elect) a new "evil leader"?

 It seems as the middle east will never have peace.

Yes it will. The day all oil is gone there and the West has no more interests there. It'll also be the day the US will say Israel should be punished for abusing the Palestinian people. Give it another 30 years tops.

 Its like the west and Isreal vs the middle east....

Colors have been in tv's for 60+ years. Try to use colors in your brain.

Its weird.

No, it's "complicated".

But the USA could already declare war, for lets see supplying terroists and weapons which have killed 170+ US troops.

That's less than tobacco manufacterers killed last year. Far, far less. Besides, how many you think will be killed if the US invade Iran?

They are holding american citizens hostages under bogus charges, and want nucluear capability.

To the first: Guantanamo. To the second: So what? Israel has made itself some illegal nukes too.

We have stated we wont let them and they say they will.

With what authority does the US say "No, dude, you like, can't do that!".

So there is a near future war, which is inevitable. /rantoff /discuss

That war is as inevitable as the US/USSR war.

Originally posted by Aelfinn


Let me put it this way, the last time we left Isreal to fend for themselves in a similar situation, (Specifically, when we let Saddam almost finish his brand new nuclear power plant, provided courtesy of a particularly idiotic French official.)

While the US has never, ever put a regime in office (Saddam) or provided any country with illegal nukes or the capability to manufacter them (Israel).

They launched a stealth bombing operation, risking multiple jets on a extremely low altitude flight in order to blow it all to hell. We barely avoided a massive war in the region after the mission was a success.
Iraq never was a threat to Israel, as we well know now.
This situation is no different, Isreal has no real choice in the matter, if no one else intercedes, they will save their country and their people by attacking Iran, there is no other course for them.


Yes, there is. Just sit back and relax. Both regimes want to stay in power, and it's really hard to stay in power of a smuldering rubble of radioactive dust.


In the end, we only have three choices, attack Iran ourselves if negotiations fail,
Bad idea. You can't even take care of Iraq, which didn't even had an army.


get dragged into the resulting firefight when Isreal does
Bad idea for above reason. Also note the economical importance of Iran for the US. And for Russia, the EU and China.


, or watch the impending nuclear holocaust we might have been able to avoid. Care to guess which one will result in the least loss of life?
People won't nuke themselves.


If this situation seems unreal to you, think of Isreal as a heavily armed African American who just walked into a bar owned, operated, and populated by the KKK. He's holding them off with a gun, but the minute the bar patrons think they can take him down without getting hurt themselves, he's a dead man. The only way he can survive is by shooting down anyone who tries to pull a weapon.


Interesting. But it's more like this. Israel is a member of the Black panthers who's sent in a KKK bar by this huge corporation. The bar is filled with clansmen who are armed to the teeth. The only thing the Black Panther guy has is an automatic Vulcan Gatling gun. He's also wearing a "bulletproof" vest consisting of 10 pounds of C4 which will be detonated when the integrity of the outer layer of the vest is breached. The bar is filled with high explosive gas. No one even dares to light a sigaret.



Oh shut it, last time I checked, the USA was not willing to potentially destroy all human life on the planet to achieve its own goals.



One acronym: M.A.D.

That happens to be the stated purpose of Iran's current president. For some reason, he believes that he is the one that will bring about the conditions necessary for the end of the world to begin. In this case, that means that everyone on the planet either must be dead, or converted to Islam. Nukes are not tools of conversion.

The purpose of the current Iranian President is 1: To stay in office as long as possible. 2: To help the Ayatollah regime.

Originally posted by EricJLeach



I agree, the USA is protecting the world from a very grave threat. The USA may not always be right, but we do whats morally right and do whats in the greater good for the world.



"Morally right"? Which country has the most nukes (apart from Russia probably)? Which country hass the most biological and chemical weapons? Which country hasn't signed the UN treaties to get rid of them? Which country hasn't signed the treaty against landmines (no, I don't mean Somalia)? Which country provides Israel with cluster bombs while they don't need them? FYI: Cluster bombs are anti-tank weapons. Neither Hamas or Jihad or Fatah or Hezbollah has tanks.



I'm not anti-US. I'm very much pro. Hence why I'm critical. The founding fathers did what they did because they were critical. You should be too.

olddaddy

I agree with Dubya's actions against Iran, talk tough, impose sanctions on the Iranian people, but basically do nothing to upset the Iranian political power structure. Confine all rhetoric to whipping up the neo-con political base to a frenzy with talk of what the Democrats would do, so the White House and Congress can be returned to Republican control and Haliburton, et al, can make oodles and oodles of cash.

Besides, any military action against Iran would have to be finanaced by China. After all, they own our asses......

 

Fugnudz

When Iran has nukes, Al Qaeda could then have nukes, since Iran arms and supports terrorists.  When New York (or some other large city) gets nuked by terrorists supplied with Iranian-built nukes, then everyone will be ready to confront Iran.

So, the real question is whether we want to take out Iran's nuclear facilities before or after some Western city gets nuked.

Being that I don't really care for large Western cities and their pompous socialist attitudes, either way is really fine.  Ignore Iran if you like; they'll just wipe the complacent grins off your faces soon enough.

MadAce

Originally posted by Fugnudz


When Iran has nukes, Al Qaeda could then have nukes, since Iran arms and supports terrorists.  When New York (or some other large city) gets nuked by terrorists supplied with Iranian-built nukes, then everyone will be ready to confront Iran.
So, the real question is whether we want to take out Iran's nuclear facilities before or after some Western city gets nuked.
Being that I don't really care for large Western cities and their pompous socialist attitudes, either way is really fine.  Ignore Iran if you like; they'll just wipe the complacent grins off your faces soon enough.

Ehem. Russia. Missing nukes.



Wrong priorities? I think so!

renstimpy99

I agree with the op. We should wipe Iran off the map.

zakk_

Originally posted by MadAce

Ehem. Russia. Missing nukes.



Wrong priorities? I think so!

excuse me sir,can i check your suitcase..



boom

Aelfinn

Originally posted by MadAce



Originally posted by Aelfinn


Let me put it this way, the last time we left Isreal to fend for themselves in a similar situation, (Specifically, when we let Saddam almost finish his brand new nuclear power plant, provided courtesy of a particularly idiotic French official.)

While the US has never, ever put a regime in office (Saddam) or provided any country with illegal nukes or the capability to manufacter them (Israel).
I never said we hadn't, hell, I think our action, or rather inaction in that scenario was a stupid decision, the above statement provides nothing whatsoever to the discussion.

They launched a stealth bombing operation, risking multiple jets on a extremely low altitude flight in order to blow it all to hell. We barely avoided a massive war in the region after the mission was a success.
Iraq never was a threat to Israel, as we well know now.
100% bullshit I'm afraid, Iraq was a huge threat to Israel, and still would be were it not for the current civil war, nuclear capability or not. The entire middle eastern region is a potential threat to Isreal.
This situation is no different, Isreal has no real choice in the matter, if no one else intercedes, they will save their country and their people by attacking Iran, there is no other course for them.


Yes, there is. Just sit back and relax. Both regimes want to stay in power, and it's really hard to stay in power of a smuldering rubble of radioactive dust.
You are once again forgetting the religious motives in these acts of war, earthly power and possessions are transitory, only a very few of the leaders in question are not willing to give them up for a promised place in heaven. If, as mentioned before, enough of them believe that the end of the world approaches, all hell will break loose, it is inevitable.


In the end, we only have three choices, attack Iran ourselves if negotiations fail,
Bad idea. You can't even take care of Iraq, which didn't even had an army.
Iraq had to be supported from the inside out with the loss of its current leader.  A simple in and out operation to destroy nuclear capability will do just fine in this scenario, no long term operation would be necessary.


get dragged into the resulting firefight when Isreal does
Bad idea for above reason. Also note the economical importance of Iran for the US. And for Russia, the EU and China.
Never said it was a good idea, or that anyone would have much of a chance to assess economical importance in such a scenario.


, or watch the impending nuclear holocaust we might have been able to avoid. Care to guess which one will result in the least loss of life?
People won't nuke themselves.
No, but they will nuke hated enemies under the right circumstances. Isreal and its people are loathed by those in the region, and it just happens to be our fault. Incidently, once again, Mahmoud believes that he is the one that is destined to begin the process of killing or converting every single person on the planet, in order for the end of the world to come about. If I were an insane religious bastard, a nuclear holocaust with only a few Islamic survivors protected by the will of Allah would sound like it fits the requirements quite handily.


If this situation seems unreal to you, think of Isreal as a heavily armed African American who just walked into a bar owned, operated, and populated by the KKK. He's holding them off with a gun, but the minute the bar patrons think they can take him down without getting hurt themselves, he's a dead man. The only way he can survive is by shooting down anyone who tries to pull a weapon.



Interesting. But it's more like this. Israel is a member of the Black panthers who's sent in a KKK bar by this huge corporation. The bar is filled with clansmen who are armed to the teeth. The only thing the Black Panther guy has is an automatic Vulcan Gatling gun. He's also wearing a "bulletproof" vest consisting of 10 pounds of C4 which will be detonated when the integrity of the outer layer of the vest is breached. The bar is filled with high explosive gas. No one even dares to light a sigaret.
But, several of the bar patrons hate him enough that they don't care if they die in the process so long as they can be sure he does in fact die.




That happens to be the stated purpose of Iran's current president. For some reason, he believes that he is the one that will bring about the conditions necessary for the end of the world to begin. In this case, that means that everyone on the planet either must be dead, or converted to Islam. Nukes are not tools of conversion.
The purpose of the current Iranian President is 1: To stay in office as long as possible. 2: To help the Ayatollah regime.
You are still forgetting the religious causes behind these conflicts. There is nothing more dangerous or threatening than a religious fanatic that was allowed to get his hands on weapons of sufficient power to achieve his ends. I would have thought 9/11 proved that to the world, apparently I was wrong.
Oh shut it, last time I checked, the USA was not willing to potentially destroy all human life on the planet to achieve its own goals.



One acronym: M.A.D.

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Why does every American seem to think that Moslem = a mad radical zealot that wishes to die killing Jews/Christians? I have several Moslem friends and if someone asked them to strap C4 to themselves and die for Allah, the reply wouldn't be yes. In fact the best way to disarm these terrorist organizations and placate Iran would be to open up your country and offer jobs to unemployed Iranian men. That's what Germany does and I don't recall any Arab terrorists striking Berlin recently. In fact it would be damn easy for Iranians to blow up buildings and kill people in Germany, but it would piss off too many of their own people for a start.

And like that guy said earlier, everyone wants to stay in power it's no use nuking the country next door to you. Iran nuke Europe? Well if the Iotollah got tired of life and wanted a career change it would be an excellent move. But something tells me living out the rest of his days being tortured by Americans isn't what he has in mind.

BTW the U.S.A is probably the biggest funder of terrorism in the world, they and my country helped Saddam gas Iranian children and turned a blind eye. I think they have a right to be a little bit suspicios of us, especially after we stabbed our former ally (Saddam) in the back. Would you trust us?