Well I'm biased. I look at WAR, then AoC, look at videos, interviews, dev diaries, etc, and wonder how anyone could POSSIBLY rate WAR higher on here.
Have you played DaoC? Mythic is known for making awsome games.....
Don't get me started on DAoC. Up until SOE and their SWG NGE bullcrap, no game company has ever left me with a worst taste in my mouth then Mythic with DAoC and their constant nerfing, complete class workovers and other bullcrap years into the game. I played DAoC on and off for about a year and a half, I just couldn't stomach paying Mythic after some of the crap they would pull, which turned out to be about every 3-4 months.
Anyway, don't get me going. Gods hope they change their ways for WAR.
Mythic isnt known for making "awesome games" as someone stated before. Mythic is known for making BALANCED games and making changes the community and dev team think work FAST. The constant "nerfing" may have made you mad, but there are 45 other people for every mad 1 who loves the change and will play the game even longer because of it. There are bugs and glitches in other games on the market than have been there for a long time without a fix or a letter from a dev explaining why it is the way it is. Mythic does both the , "we nerfing this because..... (insert 2 page story) as well as the "this makes no sense why we are nerfing it, but it ballances the game to do so, and here comes the nerf axe" type of changes to the game. I loved it, and respeced it, which is why ill play it when mythic comes out with their necxt project.
Can we figure out why wow fans hate war but have nothing against conan? Why War fans become hostile toward conan fans?
Originally posted by Jumper2k The WAR videos wouldn't make it look like a 10 in the hype... maybe a 6. Reading about it makes it sound more promising but they could really use a good gameplay video. Right now AoC is looking better.
In my case the rating I gave had nothing to do with looks, it's down to gameplay. I'm looking forward to the WAR, not the fluff...
Can we figure out why wow fans hate war but have nothing against conan? Why War fans become hostile toward conan fans?
Simply the fear, that the respective Game won't be such a great success as they hope, and that the other game will be the cause of it.
An AoC fan loves AoC, can't wait to play it, probably plans to play it forever, until AoC2 comes along... but he wants AoC to be a mainstream game, having a very high Population, thousands of fansites, that it becomes a WoW2 in terms of Community Size.
Same with the WAR Fans: They love the ideas behind WAR, they can't wait to engage in the epic struggle of RvR, fighting for your cause, but what fun is that with 60 players on each side? Without AoC, all the PvP lovers from WoW, all Warhammer lovers and generally the PvP crowd will join WAR. With AoC, alot of them possibly jump on the AoC bandwagon, and will stick to it for ~a year, so that the initial success of WAR could be MUCH lower.
So what to do against that?
Bash the other game, and hope that people can be manipulated easy enough to be talked over to their game.
And to that first point: I don't think that more Pro-WoW people are Pro-AoC, than Pro-WAR. Simply because the UI, the Skills system, the Talent trees, the Movement, all is familiar in WAR, from WoW. Not really LIKE WoW, since everything has positive twists in it, but the general look seems pretty similar, while AoC will try to implement a rather revolutionary control-scheme.
I myself am a big Warhammer and WAR fan, but I'd never become hostile against any other game or player... I trust in the success of WAR, AoC or not.
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I dont know why ppl keep on complaining about nerf this and nerf that, nerfs are in most case deserved, devs dont take lightly the use of them but sometimes there must be changes, and it's not really possible to test what "exploits" (not really exploits but u know what ia mean) players will find in the long run, really if u dont understand why the eldrich got nerfed i m glad you wont play WAR...
Well I'm biased. I look at WAR, then AoC, look at videos, interviews, dev diaries, etc, and wonder how anyone could POSSIBLY rate WAR higher on here.
Have you played DaoC? Mythic is known for making awsome games.....
Don't get me started on DAoC. Up until SOE and their SWG NGE bullcrap, no game company has ever left me with a worst taste in my mouth then Mythic with DAoC and their constant nerfing, complete class workovers and other bullcrap years into the game. I played DAoC on and off for about a year and a half, I just couldn't stomach paying Mythic after some of the crap they would pull, which turned out to be about every 3-4 months.
Anyway, don't get me going. Gods hope they change their ways for WAR.
Mythic isnt known for making "awesome games" as someone stated before. Mythic is known for making BALANCED games and making changes the community and dev team think work FAST. The constant "nerfing" may have made you mad, but there are 45 other people for every mad 1 who loves the change and will play the game even longer because of it. There are bugs and glitches in other games on the market than have been there for a long time without a fix or a letter from a dev explaining why it is the way it is. Mythic does both the , "we nerfing this because..... (insert 2 page story) as well as the "this makes no sense why we are nerfing it, but it ballances the game to do so, and here comes the nerf axe" type of changes to the game. I loved it, and respeced it, which is why ill play it when mythic comes out with their necxt project.
Can we figure out why wow fans hate war but have nothing against conan? Why War fans become hostile toward conan fans?
WoW Fans hate WAR because it is/will/could steal WoW's thunder. WAR fans are hostile towards AoC fans because of the constant posts that "OMG WAR looks crappy! AOC RULES!" posts. Go read the AoC forums here and for every 1 post of a WAR fan posting "AoC Sucks! WAR Rules!" on the AoC forum you will find 10+ of the opposite on the WAR forum. Even this post is an AoC love topic in disguise.
Don't get me wrong, people are allowed to voice their opinion but if you don't like a game then stay the hell off of its forums. I don't particularly dig the whole AoC concept so I stay off of their boards and stay on WARs. Spreading hate to other boards does nothing but insight more hate.
If this trend is any showing of the types of communities the two games will have, I will take WAR over AoC any day.
A nerf is a change to the rules of a computer game that weakens a certain object or ability.
The term comes from the childsafe Nerf toys of soft foam and plastic, which are often made in the shape of guns, bats, or other weapons. The term originated in the MMORPGUltima Online, where for a long period of time the sword skill was incredibly powerful. The designers eventually lowered its effectiveness, causing massive player outcry; they claimed that it seemed as though they were hitting with "Nerf Bats".
Nerfing is an important concept in game balance. Nerfs can have a dramatic impact on the intricate balance between different classes, items, and skills, making them often highly controversial. But even the most controversial nerf can be accepted by the gaming community, if it's clear that the nerf has improved the game balance.
Among game developers, MMORPG designers in particular are especially likely to nerf aspects of a game in order to maintain game balance. Occasionally a new feature (such as an item, class, or skill) may be made too powerful, too cheap, or too easily obtained to the extent that it unbalances the game system. This is sometimes due to an unforeseen bug or method of using or acquiring the object that was not considered by the developers.
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Actually, "A full 0.1 increase" is a rather stupid thread...
Since you only see the first digit, that's the smallest increase that can occur o_O
Don't get me started on DAoC. Up until SOE and their SWG NGE bullcrap, no game company has ever left me with a worst taste in my mouth then Mythic with DAoC and their constant nerfing, complete class workovers and other bullcrap years into the game. I played DAoC on and off for about a year and a half, I just couldn't stomach paying Mythic after some of the crap they would pull, which turned out to be about every 3-4 months.
Anyway, don't get me going. Gods hope they change their ways for WAR.
Mythic isnt known for making "awesome games" as someone stated before. Mythic is known for making BALANCED games and making changes the community and dev team think work FAST. The constant "nerfing" may have made you mad, but there are 45 other people for every mad 1 who loves the change and will play the game even longer because of it. There are bugs and glitches in other games on the market than have been there for a long time without a fix or a letter from a dev explaining why it is the way it is. Mythic does both the , "we nerfing this because..... (insert 2 page story) as well as the "this makes no sense why we are nerfing it, but it ballances the game to do so, and here comes the nerf axe" type of changes to the game. I loved it, and respeced it, which is why ill play it when mythic comes out with their necxt project.
Can we figure out why wow fans hate war but have nothing against conan? Why War fans become hostile toward conan fans?
In my case the rating I gave had nothing to do with looks, it's down to gameplay. I'm looking forward to the WAR, not the fluff...
An AoC fan loves AoC, can't wait to play it, probably plans to play it forever, until AoC2 comes along... but he wants AoC to be a mainstream game, having a very high Population, thousands of fansites, that it becomes a WoW2 in terms of Community Size.
Same with the WAR Fans: They love the ideas behind WAR, they can't wait to engage in the epic struggle of RvR, fighting for your cause, but what fun is that with 60 players on each side? Without AoC, all the PvP lovers from WoW, all Warhammer lovers and generally the PvP crowd will join WAR. With AoC, alot of them possibly jump on the AoC bandwagon, and will stick to it for ~a year, so that the initial success of WAR could be MUCH lower.
So what to do against that?
Bash the other game, and hope that people can be manipulated easy enough to be talked over to their game.
And to that first point: I don't think that more Pro-WoW people are Pro-AoC, than Pro-WAR. Simply because the UI, the Skills system, the Talent trees, the Movement, all is familiar in WAR, from WoW. Not really LIKE WoW, since everything has positive twists in it, but the general look seems pretty similar, while AoC will try to implement a rather revolutionary control-scheme.
I myself am a big Warhammer and WAR fan, but I'd never become hostile against any other game or player... I trust in the success of WAR, AoC or not.
Lots of folks are looking forward to both WAR and AOC..... all of us are searching for something new.....
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Don't get me started on DAoC. Up until SOE and their SWG NGE bullcrap, no game company has ever left me with a worst taste in my mouth then Mythic with DAoC and their constant nerfing, complete class workovers and other bullcrap years into the game. I played DAoC on and off for about a year and a half, I just couldn't stomach paying Mythic after some of the crap they would pull, which turned out to be about every 3-4 months.
Anyway, don't get me going. Gods hope they change their ways for WAR.
Mythic isnt known for making "awesome games" as someone stated before. Mythic is known for making BALANCED games and making changes the community and dev team think work FAST. The constant "nerfing" may have made you mad, but there are 45 other people for every mad 1 who loves the change and will play the game even longer because of it. There are bugs and glitches in other games on the market than have been there for a long time without a fix or a letter from a dev explaining why it is the way it is. Mythic does both the , "we nerfing this because..... (insert 2 page story) as well as the "this makes no sense why we are nerfing it, but it ballances the game to do so, and here comes the nerf axe" type of changes to the game. I loved it, and respeced it, which is why ill play it when mythic comes out with their necxt project.
Can we figure out why wow fans hate war but have nothing against conan? Why War fans become hostile toward conan fans?
WoW Fans hate WAR because it is/will/could steal WoW's thunder. WAR fans are hostile towards AoC fans because of the constant posts that "OMG WAR looks crappy! AOC RULES!" posts. Go read the AoC forums here and for every 1 post of a WAR fan posting "AoC Sucks! WAR Rules!" on the AoC forum you will find 10+ of the opposite on the WAR forum. Even this post is an AoC love topic in disguise.
Don't get me wrong, people are allowed to voice their opinion but if you don't like a game then stay the hell off of its forums. I don't particularly dig the whole AoC concept so I stay off of their boards and stay on WARs. Spreading hate to other boards does nothing but insight more hate.
If this trend is any showing of the types of communities the two games will have, I will take WAR over AoC any day.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerf_%28computer_gaming%29
A nerf is a change to the rules of a computer game that weakens a certain object or ability.
The term comes from the childsafe Nerf toys of soft foam and plastic, which are often made in the shape of guns, bats, or other weapons. The term originated in the MMORPG Ultima Online, where for a long period of time the sword skill was incredibly powerful. The designers eventually lowered its effectiveness, causing massive player outcry; they claimed that it seemed as though they were hitting with "Nerf Bats".
Nerfing is an important concept in game balance. Nerfs can have a dramatic impact on the intricate balance between different classes, items, and skills, making them often highly controversial. But even the most controversial nerf can be accepted by the gaming community, if it's clear that the nerf has improved the game balance.
Among game developers, MMORPG designers in particular are especially likely to nerf aspects of a game in order to maintain game balance. Occasionally a new feature (such as an item, class, or skill) may be made too powerful, too cheap, or too easily obtained to the extent that it unbalances the game system. This is sometimes due to an unforeseen bug or method of using or acquiring the object that was not considered by the developers.
The games most frequently adjusted for game balance are multiplayer online computer games, especially MMORPGs and highly competitive games such as tactical first-person shooters and real-time strategy games
Nerfs are GOOD for a game. Playing "metagod" is not.
Everyone likes a fair fight am I right boys!!
Do you believe the WAAAAAGH!!! is good for rheuma therapy?
Do you eat WAAAAAAGH!!!! at breakfast, lunch, meal, dinner, or appetizer time?
Is the WAAAAAAGH!!!! a metaphor for Sex, Drugs & Rock and Roll?
Does the WAAAAAAAAGH!!! have a nature? And if it has one, is it BRUTALLY GREEN??
Do you accept this WAAAAAAAGH!!! as your spouse, in health and disease, till death do you part?
Have you ever WAAAAAAAAGH!!!!(ed) something?
Go on. I know you feel compelled to answer such questions.