BTW, Bush cannot suspend elections unless there is a catastrophic alteration within the Federal Government (i.e., If Congress got nuked with all of the Presidential nominees including Congress, his Cabinet, and the Vice President). Try not to believe everything one hears. I heard it can give people gas. You also do know that Coast to Coast (in which you reference your material from ) also has articles like this: Dog gives birth to Kittens Alien Abduction Mind Control yeah.....
Coast to Coast AM also broke the "Dubai Ports" story. Everyone remember that one? It's where Bush was going to sell our port security to a foreign nation. America caused a stink about that and he called us all stupid for it. Just like he's called us bigots and fear mongers if we don't approve of the immigration bill that Congress proposed.
Oh, and the Dog/Kitten story, that was on DrudgeReport.
Alien Abduction, I believe there could possibly be something out there. I'm interested in stories about that. You think it's not possible that there is alien life?
Mind Control. MKUltra. I am very curious about stuff like that. Especially when there are everything from advertisers to the government trying to manipulate us all. What's so silly about mind control when it's put in that context?
I'm not saying that Coast to Coast never has some freaky stories on. But they also have other stuff too. It's not a one pony show at all. It's very eclectic in it's content.
Should we simply write it off because it's a conspiracy theory (Conspiracies do happen)? Our country has always been able to function after a terrorist strike. Why does Bush have to take a grab at all this dictatorial power now, when he is almost out of offiice? Why does Bush have to take the Congress out of power in the event of a terrorist attack? If Bush postpones the election indefinitely and remains president then I'll revive this thread and declare myself your bitch.
I never said he would postpone the election indefinitely. Nice strawman. It's the fact that he can, is the problem...he can also do a lot more than that too. Would you like a Democrat doing what Bush is doing and having power to impose martial law? What happens if every president does this? What are the odds that one of them actually imposes it? Pretty good odds imo.
Btw this is a great comparison to this Executive Order
Do you even know what a straw man is? That wasn't a straw man...you obviously think that Bush is going to do something with this bill, otherwise you wouldn't have sited all the reasons why it's bad and why the timing of it is so perfect for him to use the power...a straw man draws out easily refuted conclusions from the opposition in an attempt to discredit them( IE beat up a man made of straw)...What I did was not, in any way, a straw man.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Look, my problem with this is that the President can suspend elections and assume sole power.....it doesn't have to be Dubya, it can be Hillary, it could be Osama (if he could get elected, which sometimes, given the intelligence of voters, I think might be possible).
Add to this that the President doesn't even have to be in on the Coup d'Etat. If a rogue element within the United States government, for example a security or intelligence service, detonates a tactical nuke/dirty bomb on Capitol Hill, America would go absolutely apeshit for revenge and support the President assuming unilateral power to protect the country and attack a target painted as providing the nuke.
It's really not even necessary the President be in on the plot.
As I've said, the stage is set, the props are in place, the wardrobe is in the dressing room, all this act awaits is the actors to carry out their roles. It is a bad act for all concerned, both Democrat and Republican. It smacks of violation of seperation of powers.
Originally posted by Draenor Do you even know what a straw man is? That wasn't a straw man...you obviously think that Bush is going to do something with this bill, otherwise you wouldn't have sited all the reasons why it's bad and why the timing of it is so perfect for him to use the power...
I was questioning why he would do this and I was explaining the kind of power he now wields. I can question things can't I? Or is that considered being a kooky tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist? You're making "obvious" assumptions and misrepresenting my position and then using sarcasm (previous post) to make me look like an idiot (discredit)...straw man.
a straw man draws out easily refuted conclusions from the opposition in an attempt to discredit them( IE beat up a man made of straw)...What I did was not, in any way, a straw man.
In no way did I say he was going to use the power to do all or any of the things laid out in the EO. I was simply asking why he would do this (we always did fine before), and why he would do this now after all these past 5 years when another attack could have happened.
______________________________ "When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!" -cheer leading, flag waving American
Look, my problem with this is that the President can suspend elections and assume sole power.....it doesn't have to be Dubya, it can be Hillary, it could be Osama (if he could get elected, which sometimes, given the intelligence of voters, I think might be possible). Add to this that the President doesn't even have to be in on the Coup d'Etat. If a rogue element within the United States government, for example a security or intelligence service, detonates a tactical nuke/dirty bomb on Capitol Hill, America would go absolutely apeshit for revenge and support the President assuming unilateral power to protect the country and attack a target painted as providing the nuke. It's really not even necessary the President be in on the plot. As I've said, the stage is set, the props are in place, the wardrobe is in the dressing room, all this act awaits is the actors to carry out their roles. It is a bad act for all concerned, both Democrat and Republican. It smacks of violation of seperation of powers.
Exactly what I was thinking. It doesn't have to be this President who uses this to abuse the power. I thought that was the reason the Constitution limited governments powers, just in case there was ever a person or people in charge who wanted to abuse the power of government.
============================= It all seems so stupid It makes me want to give up But why should I give up When it all seems so stupid
BTW, Bush cannot suspend elections unless there is a catastrophic alteration within the Federal Government (i.e., If Congress got nuked with all of the Presidential nominees including Congress, his Cabinet, and the Vice President). Try not to believe everything one hears. I heard it can give people gas. You also do know that Coast to Coast (in which you reference your material from ) also has articles like this: Dog gives birth to Kittens Alien Abduction Mind Control yeah.....
Coast to Coast AM also broke the "Dubai Ports" story. Everyone remember that one? It's where Bush was going to sell our port security to a foreign nation. America caused a stink about that and he called us all stupid for it. Just like he's called us bigots and fear mongers if we don't approve of the immigration bill that Congress proposed.
Oh, and the Dog/Kitten story, that was on DrudgeReport.
Alien Abduction, I believe there could possibly be something out there. I'm interested in stories about that. You think it's not possible that there is alien life?
Mind Control. MKUltra. I am very curious about stuff like that. Especially when there are everything from advertisers to the government trying to manipulate us all. What's so silly about mind control when it's put in that context?
I'm not saying that Coast to Coast never has some freaky stories on. But they also have other stuff too. It's not a one pony show at all. It's very eclectic in it's content. I listen to Coast to Coast as well.
I would trust George Noory over practically all of the other talk show hosts I've heard. At least he puts all the cards on the table without fear of judgment. He leaves it up to the listener to decide, not go ahead and make that decision for them.
By the way, George Noory from Coast to Coast AM has a new t.v. show coming on tonight on SciFi Channel.
I don't understand how some of you can be so complacent about all of this. As citizens it's (y)our responsibility to think ahead and recognize clear abuses to the constitution like these Executive Orders. Even if bad intent is not initially within the design of some of these orders, there remain tremendous loopholes granting obscene amounts of executive privilege, directly circumventing the controls built in to the Constitution. The path to hell is paved with good intentions as they say.
As others have pointed out, it doesn't have to be Bush or Cheney, this administration is not psychic, and cannot foresee the possible election outcomes for the next 100 or 1000 years. These loopholes will remain, and further, will continue to multiply. Some day, you can be assured, with the largest military force in the world, someone's lust for global power will overcome their responsibility to the people, and those powers WILL be abused, make no mistake. As a citizen, it is your highest duty to see that these things do not come to pass.
I made a thread about this a few weeks ago and it basically got the same response.
I also listen to Coast to Coast and its funny how so many people bash it as the tin foil hat show.
Not only did they bust the port deal but they also were the first ones I ever heard talking about the Bilderberg group that everyone use to think was a bunch of BS but is now known to actually exist. Alex Jones is a loud mouth but he called it on this one.
Coast to Coast was the first source I heard mention anything about the North American Union and the super highway running from Mexico all the way to Canada and the amero. Why do you think Bush is pushing so hard for this immigration bill?
Coast to Coast was the first I heard mention anything about RFID chips.
Coast to Coast had guest on YEARS ago talking about this stuff befor anyone in the mainstream media reported or would even mention it.
Edit: and I have still yet to hear anything about this bill from any major news source.......
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Oh, and the Dog/Kitten story, that was on DrudgeReport.
Alien Abduction, I believe there could possibly be something out there. I'm interested in stories about that. You think it's not possible that there is alien life?
Mind Control. MKUltra. I am very curious about stuff like that. Especially when there are everything from advertisers to the government trying to manipulate us all. What's so silly about mind control when it's put in that context?
I'm not saying that Coast to Coast never has some freaky stories on. But they also have other stuff too. It's not a one pony show at all. It's very eclectic in it's content.
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I never said he would postpone the election indefinitely. Nice strawman. It's the fact that he can, is the problem...he can also do a lot more than that too. Would you like a Democrat doing what Bush is doing and having power to impose martial law? What happens if every president does this? What are the odds that one of them actually imposes it? Pretty good odds imo.
Btw this is a great comparison to this Executive Order
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WL2j7uy8IR0
Do you even know what a straw man is? That wasn't a straw man...you obviously think that Bush is going to do something with this bill, otherwise you wouldn't have sited all the reasons why it's bad and why the timing of it is so perfect for him to use the power...a straw man draws out easily refuted conclusions from the opposition in an attempt to discredit them( IE beat up a man made of straw)...What I did was not, in any way, a straw man.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Look, my problem with this is that the President can suspend elections and assume sole power.....it doesn't have to be Dubya, it can be Hillary, it could be Osama (if he could get elected, which sometimes, given the intelligence of voters, I think might be possible).
Add to this that the President doesn't even have to be in on the Coup d'Etat. If a rogue element within the United States government, for example a security or intelligence service, detonates a tactical nuke/dirty bomb on Capitol Hill, America would go absolutely apeshit for revenge and support the President assuming unilateral power to protect the country and attack a target painted as providing the nuke.
It's really not even necessary the President be in on the plot.
As I've said, the stage is set, the props are in place, the wardrobe is in the dressing room, all this act awaits is the actors to carry out their roles. It is a bad act for all concerned, both Democrat and Republican. It smacks of violation of seperation of powers.
______________________________
"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
=============================
It all seems so stupid
It makes me want to give up
But why should I give up
When it all seems so stupid
Oh, and the Dog/Kitten story, that was on DrudgeReport.
Alien Abduction, I believe there could possibly be something out there. I'm interested in stories about that. You think it's not possible that there is alien life?
Mind Control. MKUltra. I am very curious about stuff like that. Especially when there are everything from advertisers to the government trying to manipulate us all. What's so silly about mind control when it's put in that context?
I'm not saying that Coast to Coast never has some freaky stories on. But they also have other stuff too. It's not a one pony show at all. It's very eclectic in it's content. I listen to Coast to Coast as well.
I would trust George Noory over practically all of the other talk show hosts I've heard. At least he puts all the cards on the table without fear of judgment. He leaves it up to the listener to decide, not go ahead and make that decision for them.
By the way, George Noory from Coast to Coast AM has a new t.v. show coming on tonight on SciFi Channel.
Into the Unknown
=============================
It all seems so stupid
It makes me want to give up
But why should I give up
When it all seems so stupid
I don't understand how some of you can be so complacent about all of this. As citizens it's (y)our responsibility to think ahead and recognize clear abuses to the constitution like these Executive Orders. Even if bad intent is not initially within the design of some of these orders, there remain tremendous loopholes granting obscene amounts of executive privilege, directly circumventing the controls built in to the Constitution. The path to hell is paved with good intentions as they say.
As others have pointed out, it doesn't have to be Bush or Cheney, this administration is not psychic, and cannot foresee the possible election outcomes for the next 100 or 1000 years.
These loopholes will remain, and further, will continue to multiply. Some day, you can be assured, with the largest military force in the world, someone's lust for global power will overcome their responsibility to the people, and those powers WILL be abused, make no mistake. As a citizen, it is your highest duty to see that these things do not come to pass.
I made a thread about this a few weeks ago and it basically got the same response.
I also listen to Coast to Coast and its funny how so many people bash it as the tin foil hat show.
Not only did they bust the port deal but they also were the first ones I ever heard talking about the Bilderberg group that everyone use to think was a bunch of BS but is now known to actually exist. Alex Jones is a loud mouth but he called it on this one.
Coast to Coast was the first source I heard mention anything about the North American Union and the super highway running from Mexico all the way to Canada and the amero. Why do you think Bush is pushing so hard for this immigration bill?
Coast to Coast was the first I heard mention anything about RFID chips.
Coast to Coast had guest on YEARS ago talking about this stuff befor anyone in the mainstream media reported or would even mention it.
Edit: and I have still yet to hear anything about this bill from any major news source.......
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