In theory yes. Unfortunately, once you hit 50 in LOTRO there is nothing to do, and no reason to do it even if there was something to do. That would be tolerable if making an alt was really viable - but if you make an alt, 90% of what you do will be the same quests, in the same zones, for the same items. My main in EQ2 has been max level for over 15 months, yet there are still many zones and encounters, quests, collections, etc etc to do. I doubt if she will get them all done before the next expansion in November.
And how much will your expansion cost you? $30, $40 or $50 this time. EQ2 only had one good expansion the rest were bunk. By the way how many characters can you have in EQ2 now? What is it 6? In LotRO you can have up to 55. How are you able to test all the different class and race combinations in EQ2? Do you make a character and then delete it over and over?
Well, since EQ2 has only HAD one expansion, I am not sure what your point is.
And EQ2 gets free updates once a month, has been doing so since like.. forever.
Major expansion pack coming in Nov will probably be $25 or so. So that averages out to $2 a month per expansion. I can live with that.
And why in the world would any one want more than 2 characters in LOTRO, much less 55. Especially since I am bored to tears on my FIRST character already and she is only 39. And BTW, I have 9 alts in EQ2 ranging from level 14 to 66 besides my main, including 5 tier 7 crafters. and of course you would only need about 3 alts in LOTRO to "test" all the classes, since many are so similar you cannot really tell much difference.
Sounds like EQ2 is your game! I like it too but have found, personally, that LOTRO is great. I am in the 30's with my main and still having a blast.
I did stop playing EQ2 to try some other games out like Vanguard (ugh how I wanted to enjoy this game) but your conviction might sway me back. I think why I left was I recall the awe of discovery in EQ one that just did not seem to be there in the start of EQ2. It seemed cramped to me but I expect that has changes.
After Gods and Heroes comes out I may get a Station Pass and play EQ2 again as well. In the meantime it sounds like LOTRO is not your game but I like it loads and am not bored with it at all.
In theory yes. Unfortunately, once you hit 50 in LOTRO there is nothing to do, and no reason to do it even if there was something to do. That would be tolerable if making an alt was really viable - but if you make an alt, 90% of what you do will be the same quests, in the same zones, for the same items. My main in EQ2 has been max level for over 15 months, yet there are still many zones and encounters, quests, collections, etc etc to do. I doubt if she will get them all done before the next expansion in November.
And how much will your expansion cost you? $30, $40 or $50 this time. EQ2 only had one good expansion the rest were bunk. By the way how many characters can you have in EQ2 now? What is it 6? In LotRO you can have up to 55. How are you able to test all the different class and race combinations in EQ2? Do you make a character and then delete it over and over?
Well, since EQ2 has only HAD one expansion, I am not sure what your point is.
And EQ2 gets free updates once a month, has been doing so since like.. forever.
Major expansion pack coming in Nov will probably be $25 or so. So that averages out to $2 a month per expansion. I can live with that.
And why in the world would any one want more than 2 characters in LOTRO, much less 55. Especially since I am bored to tears on my FIRST character already and she is only 39. And BTW, I have 9 alts in EQ2 ranging from level 14 to 66 besides my main, including 5 tier 7 crafters. and of course you would only need about 3 alts in LOTRO to "test" all the classes, since many are so similar you cannot really tell much difference.
One expansion? Hold on let me check my EQ2 Collection. Ok I am back. So what was Desert of Flame, Kingdom of Sky and Echoes of Faydwer? They were all expansions that I bought for either $30 or $40 I can't remember anymore. I have no idea how many adventure packs there were but they always cost about $7 each and I think there was about 6-10. Oh I see why you are confused about how many expansions there were. You bought the Echoes of Faydwer which had all the expansions included because SOE realized how crappy the other two expansions were.
As far as how many alts you have are you counting the test server? Last time I played they only had 6 slots for all servers. Oh thats right if you spend more money you get 2 extra slots so maybe you have 8?
If your so bored stop playing. It took 39 levels to figure out you were bored? As soon as I get bored with any game I just stop playing whether i have a subscription or not.
Well anyways Laiina I do wish you good luck in EQ2 or wherever else you might go. We will just have to agree to disagree over our opinions of these 2 games. Like I said before I liked EQ2 but I just couldn't keep up with all the extras they want you to pay for. ie 3 expansions and countless adventure packs.
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Why would people want an ENGAME experiance in an MMORPG. Surley an MMORPG is a virtual world that is ever changing and expanding.
In theory yes.
Unfortunately, once you hit 50 in LOTRO there is nothing to do, and no reason to do it even if there was something to do. That would be tolerable if making an alt was really viable - but if you make an alt, 90% of what you do will be the same quests, in the same zones, for the same items.
My main in EQ2 has been max level for over 15 months, yet there are still many zones and encounters, quests, collections, etc etc to do. I doubt if she will get them all done before the next expansion in November.
And how much will your expansion cost you? $30, $40 or $50 this time. EQ2 only had one good expansion the rest were bunk. By the way how many characters can you have in EQ2 now? What is it 6? In LotRO you can have up to 55. How are you able to test all the different class and race combinations in EQ2? Do you make a character and then delete it over and over?
Not to knitpick but EQ2 only had ONE expansion. It had a bunch of cheapo adventure packs that added a little bit of content, but they only had one full blown expansion pack
so saying they had only one good expansion pack was actually giving them 100% expansion pack success rate :P
The difference between adventure packs and expansion packs is simple to explain...well if you have a 360 and a copy of oblivion.
Mehunes razor was a small add on for 360 it cost about 10 bucks and added one dungeon it was a huge dungeon though before you complain about price.
Shivering Isles was an entirely new world with new dungeons armor weapons quests etc. it cost about 30 dollars.
there is the difference
They had 3 expansions and about 6-10 adventure packs, read above post.
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I guess I am more of an old school MMORPG player (RPG being the key statement). I spend lots of time in LOTRO not chasing levels or any sort of end -game (because, as stated, an end game makes no sense in an MMO). My main is still quite a ways off from the level cap and I just past 30th even though I have played consistantly. I have been to party's with Kinship, Helped lower level kin complete quests, crafted loads and getting Master X in all catagories. There is lmuch to do without rushing to the level cap. I also disagree that alts are worthless. They have different skill set combos and if you pick a different race there are plently of quests you did not do before. Heck, I had a blast justrunning to Rivendel just to see it. I fought nothing and gained no experience. I think I started a couple of new deeds along the way. It reminds me of the original EQ where traveling just to see some very cool location was worth doing. I don't know how others feel but in the case of single player RPGs I am always a little sad when I hit the end-game and am....well, done! With MMOs like LOTRO we can expect more content to continue our journey. The free update offered a lot and if they continue it will be great. I have heard tidbits about Moria and really look forward to something like that. I do not have that Dialblo-esque rush to the end to see how much cool stuff I can muster up to kill Diablo with (or more recently Titan Quest). MMOs are not for that purpose unless they are some of the korean grind fest games. Some of these are enjoyable in their own way if you ware out to gain levels and amass stuff. I think Turbine has so much more they can do here with the lore (which is obvious by the unused locations on the map alone)
/agree
If I discover within myself a desire which no experience in this world can satisfy, the most probable explanation is that I was made for another world C.S. Lewis
EQ2 definitely beats LOTRO in regards of the amount of things you can do as the poster above me pointed out. But I personally think many of them are also timesinks. Doesn't mean it can be less fun of course.
To be fair towards LOTRO, you need to take into account the lifetime of both games.
I said this before, but sadly has to repeat again:
To compare an MMO that is out for almost 3 years to a 2 month old MMO in terms of CONTENT VOLUME is anything but fair.
Also, EQ2's expansions were not free when they came out - LOTRO is already better in this sense.
DB
First of all EQ2 has made tons of "Free" updates available and secondly LOTRO will surely not give out their expansions free either "Shores of Evendim" was no expansion it was an update(rather big update thou)..Besides it looks alot as this update should have been in the game at release but didn't make it in time for release, so as a huge market trick they tell you that "look what you got for free"...
But If it was an expansion as you said then it was probably the smallest expansion I have seen in a MMORPG..
Ohh,,I can compare EQ2 with LOTRO as it was 3 years ago then ? If so, yes EQ2 had content to cover the end game even at it's release
EQ2 definitely beats LOTRO in regards of the amount of things you can do as the poster above me pointed out. But I personally think many of them are also timesinks. Doesn't mean it can be less fun of course.
To be fair towards LOTRO, you need to take into account the lifetime of both games.
I said this before, but sadly has to repeat again:
To compare an MMO that is out for almost 3 years to a 2 month old MMO in terms of CONTENT VOLUME is anything but fair.
Also, EQ2's expansions were not free when they came out - LOTRO is already better in this sense.
DB
First of all EQ2 has made tons of "Free" updates available and secondly LOTRO will surely not give out their expansions free either "Shores of Evendim" was no expansion it was an update(rather big update thou)..Besides it looks alot as this update should have been in the game at release but didn't make it in time for release, so as a huge market trick they tell you that "look what you got for free"...
But If it was an expansion as you said then it was probably the smallest expansion I have seen in a MMORPG..
Ohh,,I can compare EQ2 with LOTRO as it was 3 years ago then ? If so, yes EQ2 had content to cover the end game even at it's release
Don't make me find what people tought of EQ2 at release. You won't be happy.
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As far as how many alts you have are you counting the test server? Last time I played they only had 6 slots for all servers. Oh thats right if you spend more money you get 2 extra slots so maybe you have 8? If your so bored stop playing. It took 39 levels to figure out you were bored? As soon as I get bored with any game I just stop playing whether i have a subscription or not. Well anyways Laiina I do wish you good luck in EQ2 or wherever else you might go. We will just have to agree to disagree over our opinions of these 2 games. Like I said before I liked EQ2 but I just couldn't keep up with all the extras they want you to pay for. ie 3 expansions and countless adventure packs.
I have station access that gives me 9 char slots.
It was not like I got bored on level 1 in LOTRO. It built up gradually. by 35 I was logging in much less, and when I did log in I often did nothing but kill a few random mobs. By the time I hit 39 I had finally reached the epitomy of boredom and am giving it up as of the 9th of next month.
Also, having Station Access means I did not pay for any of the EQ2 adventure packs, they were included free.
And I am not saying that LOTRO is a "bad" game. But it is competing - for me - with almost 10 years of playing mmo's, and it brought very little that was new to the table. And to be honest, I don't see any other upcoming games out there that interest me much either.
And just for the record, I don't play EQ2 all that much anymore either. Although I still think it is a much better game than LOTRO, after 3+ years it also has begun to wear a bit thin.
So perhaps my problems with LOTRO are not really just with LOTRO, but with the entire current genre of mmo's, which for the vast majority means the same Tolkien inspired fantasy game. After playing EQ+EQ2 for a total of some 8 years, yet another elf/dwarf fantasy game just won't cut it this time around.
As far as how many alts you have are you counting the test server? Last time I played they only had 6 slots for all servers. Oh thats right if you spend more money you get 2 extra slots so maybe you have 8? If your so bored stop playing. It took 39 levels to figure out you were bored? As soon as I get bored with any game I just stop playing whether i have a subscription or not. Well anyways Laiina I do wish you good luck in EQ2 or wherever else you might go. We will just have to agree to disagree over our opinions of these 2 games. Like I said before I liked EQ2 but I just couldn't keep up with all the extras they want you to pay for. ie 3 expansions and countless adventure packs.
I have station access that gives me 9 char slots.
It was not like I got bored on level 1 in LOTRO. It built up gradually. by 35 I was logging in much less, and when I did log in I often did nothing but kill a few random mobs. By the time I hit 39 I had finally reached the epitomy of boredom and am giving it up as of the 9th of next month.
Also, having Station Access means I did not pay for any of the EQ2 adventure packs, they were included free.
And I am not saying that LOTRO is a "bad" game. But it is competing - for me - with almost 10 years of playing mmo's, and it brought very little that was new to the table. And to be honest, I don't see any other upcoming games out there that interest me much either.
And just for the record, I don't play EQ2 all that much anymore either. Although I still think it is a much better game than LOTRO, after 3+ years it also has begun to wear a bit thin.
So perhaps my problems with LOTRO are not really just with LOTRO, but with the entire current genre of mmo's, which for the vast majority means the same Tolkien inspired fantasy game. After playing EQ+EQ2 for a total of some 8 years, yet another elf/dwarf fantasy game just won't cut it this time around.
Yeah its all good Laiina. One last thing though. If you cancel your station pass but keep the EQ2 subscription you lose a couple character slots and access to the adventure packs. Anyways it was a fun little debate/discussion with you and am glad we didn't bad mouth each other. At least I hope I didn't its a long thread, I better go recheck what I wrote LOL. Our discussion felt more like friends talking over coffee, so I thank you. Cheers.
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At first I was in LOVE. It was the graphics, esp if you are starting as a human or hobbit. The art is breath taking, IMO best graphics in a game to date... for most zones. (The character models such as hair and beards is pretty strange though, sorta corpsey, anyhow, getting back on track.)
So, as you can tell I was pretty much in love. Until level 10ish on 4 classes and 3 different races. Then... it hit me. Holy cow is this game ever boring.
The classes are lame unless you like a warrior style class (which I don't.)
The grind is horribly eyegoungingly boring. Messenger quests, boars and bears and spiders... over and over, and this one named pig who is always "renamed" like we aren't going to notice it's the same darn pig... which as as interesting as my sock drawer.
The bottom line:
I think this game has it all for a casual weekend gamer who is an avid Lord of the Rings fan and heavy Role Player. I think loving the lore AND loving Role Play would compensate for the incredibly boring classes and gameplay/grind. If you are not this person, (Lore, RP, and melee class lover) this game is NOT for you.
Gotta say I've been playing mmo's for a long time now, and I tell ya I really wanted to like this game and gave it a hell of a shot. I leveled a hobbit minstrel to 50, then boom nothing to do nothing to see, so I made an alt, then boom been here done this seen that WTF. I gave the game a chance I really did. It is very similiar to other mmo's out there but heres the thing, in the other mmo's theres accually things to do. I'm not saying its a bad game, it just lacks content the expansion is mediocore at best, and monster play: lets be honest people just plain boring. I will say this however I did enjoy leveling up the first time... I was just suprised because it was the fastest I've ever gotten bored with an mmo.
In short Turbine, I bid you farwell.
Maybe the fact that it only took you a short time to level to 50? To me this makes no since... "Oh look a new game, lets see if I can max my level out in 2 weeks..." what is the since of that? Of course you are going to get burned out and bored, Do you read the quests or just blow through them? Do you pay attention to stuff or just kill kill kill till your max level? This is truly an annoying thing I see ALL the time... if some of you would take the time and actually PLAY the game instead of race through it you may find it enjoyable.
As far as the other person that asked why we like LoTRO over say WoW... Personally I got sick of spending 4+ hours on raids 3 or 4 nights a week, the fact that you where only as good as your gear (And to get the gear you had to do the LONG raids) these things bother me... Make PvP FAIR once you enter PvP your gear is the same as their gear, set stats and all that jive... Then see who is the better PvPer... Make PvP actually take SKILL...
Please don't insult me because you feel inadequate. I have more time to burn playing mmo's so i burned through everything? I'm so sick and tired of people using that as an excuse I've heard it a hundred times. but to answer these questions ONCE agian for the simple minded, YES i read the quests YES i worked on deeds and tittles YES I crafted YES i raided in moster play. NO i didn't "race" through the game, I have a lot of free time.
Maybe if this game offered more it would hold my interest longer, other games have.
Time to wake up and face it people, its a good game if you play an hour every other day, but please don't tell me its my fault because this game lacks content.
EQ2 definitely beats LOTRO in regards of the amount of things you can do as the poster above me pointed out. But I personally think many of them are also timesinks. Doesn't mean it can be less fun of course.
To be fair towards LOTRO, you need to take into account the lifetime of both games.
I said this before, but sadly has to repeat again:
To compare an MMO that is out for almost 3 years to a 2 month old MMO in terms of CONTENT VOLUME is anything but fair.
Also, EQ2's expansions were not free when they came out - LOTRO is already better in this sense.
DB
First of all EQ2 has made tons of "Free" updates available and secondly LOTRO will surely not give out their expansions free either "Shores of Evendim" was no expansion it was an update(rather big update thou)..Besides it looks alot as this update should have been in the game at release but didn't make it in time for release, so as a huge market trick they tell you that "look what you got for free"...
But If it was an expansion as you said then it was probably the smallest expansion I have seen in a MMORPG..
Ohh,,I can compare EQ2 with LOTRO as it was 3 years ago then ? If so, yes EQ2 had content to cover the end game even at it's release
*SIGH*
Again: there is no such thing as "end game" in an MMO. If there is, then it's not an MMO!
Secondly: better read Turbine's policy about updates: they have promised a FREE content update every 2-3 months, continously. There will also be a yearly, much bigger update (call it expansion), for some money as well.
Thirdly - the release notes for the Evendim update was over 3 very very very large pages long. It took an hour just to browse through. Can't really call it a quickfix....
And lastly: I have played EQ2 for almost a whole year. There was none (zero, nill) content update during that time (in 2006). Oh yes, they had the Echos of F. expansion - for almost a full retail price
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
Can anyone say me which is the real storeline of WOW?.I have played this game for years and the only objective of WOW is get the max level as we can, to make the same raid everynight to some day have a respectable items. LOTRO is different, Of course if you log on and only go to kill enemys to levels up, yes i agree LOTRO can boring you, But if you read all the quests unfold through the game and you meddle in the storeline you really going to enjoy this game.
....and no end-game content, LOTRO is definitely your game!
I understand what you mean by endgame , people that say MMO don't have an engame are deluded , LOTRO has one its called lvl 50 , Can you advance anymore right Now ? No ow yes you can do deeds but it limited to the amount you can have active so eventually your done , The only thing left to do Is Raid "or Endgame as some put it " for better gear .. Evendim Provided some endgame content & it wont be the last ..
....and no end-game content, LOTRO is definitely your game!
I understand what you mean by endgame , people that say MMO don't have an engame are deluded , LOTRO has one its called lvl 50 , Can you advance anymore right Now ? No ow yes you can do deeds but it limited to the amount you can have active so eventually your done , The only thing left to do Is Raid "or Endgame as some put it " for better gear .. Evendim Provided some endgame content & it wont be the last ..
If you play an MMO to "advance", then you miss the whole point, and of course you will be bored. Reaching level 50 is not the end of the game, its the end of the XP gaining within the game. And that is only one aspect of playing...
However, if you play to enjoy and adventure - you will no need of an "end game", whatever it is anyway (I still can't grasp the idea
Updates and expansions extend the adventure and the new experiences that will keep me enjoying the game.
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
*SIGH* Again: there is no such thing as "end game" in an MMO. If there is, then it's not an MMO! Secondly: better read Turbine's policy about updates: they have promised a FREE content update every 2-3 months, continously. There will also be a yearly, much bigger update (call it expansion), for some money as well. Thirdly - the release notes for the Evendim update was over 3 very very very large pages long. It took an hour just to browse through. Can't really call it a quickfix.... And lastly: I have played EQ2 for almost a whole year. There was none (zero, nill) content update during that time (in 2006). Oh yes, they had the Echos of F. expansion - for almost a full retail price DB
I think you just made my point.
LOTRO *does* have an end game - it is called level 50. Therefore it must not be an mmo. But that is nitpicking - the "endgame" is usually defined as what is available to do after you reach max level. And LOTRO lacks badly there. And don't use the old argument of "other games have been out a lot longer" - that won't fly anymore. Games released now are compared to what they are competing against right NOW, not what the game might be in 2 years. The standards have been raised, and simply publishing a "polished" game with few bugs (while unusual in mmo's...) is not enough by itself.
EQ2 has had FREE content updates almost every month since release, despite your contention that you saw ZERO during the year that you played. This history of the patches in 2006 tells a different story http://www.mmopatchtimer.com/forums/everquest-2-patches/ . Yes there was also pay-for expansion in that time period, but if you think that LOTRO will not have pay-for expansions in the future, I think you are dreaming.
2.5 pages of the Evendim release notes were BUG fixes, nerfs, and cosmetic changes - not content. How good a patch is is not related to how detailed it is in describing things like how they finally got "jewellery" spelled right, but still have not fixed cooking, farming, or the AH sorting filters.
*SIGH* Again: there is no such thing as "end game" in an MMO. If there is, then it's not an MMO! Secondly: better read Turbine's policy about updates: they have promised a FREE content update every 2-3 months, continously. There will also be a yearly, much bigger update (call it expansion), for some money as well. Thirdly - the release notes for the Evendim update was over 3 very very very large pages long. It took an hour just to browse through. Can't really call it a quickfix.... And lastly: I have played EQ2 for almost a whole year. There was none (zero, nill) content update during that time (in 2006). Oh yes, they had the Echos of F. expansion - for almost a full retail price DB
I think you just made my point.
LOTRO *does* have an end game - it is called level 50. Therefore it must not be an mmo. But that is nitpicking - the "endgame" is usually defined as what is available to do after you reach max level. And LOTRO lacks badly there. And don't use the old argument of "other games have been out a lot longer" - that won't fly anymore. Games released now are compared to what they are competing against right NOW, not what the game might be in 2 years. The standards have been raised, and simply publishing a "polished" game with few bugs (while unusual in mmo's...) is not enough by itself.
EQ2 has had FREE content updates almost every month since release, despite your contention that you saw ZERO during the year that you played. This history of the patches in 2006 tells a different story http://www.mmopatchtimer.com/forums/everquest-2-patches/ . Yes there was also pay-for expansion in that time period, but if you think that LOTRO will not have pay-for expansions in the future, I think you are dreaming.
2.5 pages of the Evendim release notes were BUG fixes, nerfs, and cosmetic changes - not content. How good a patch is is not related to how detailed it is in describing things like how they finally got "jewellery" spelled right, but still have not fixed cooking, farming, or the AH sorting filters.
You could not be more wrong.
There IS NO THING AS ENDGAME in an MMOG. It is only a term made up bye clueless powergamers.
Reaching the level cap can be the end of playing in that game for those who are unable to find fun in that game and are helpless to enjoy the adventuring and the socializing.
And again EQ2 DID NOT HAVE ANY free content updates even remotely close in size/content compared to the Evendim update during the 9-10 months I have played in 2006.
Please, no lies or twisting of words!
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
Originally posted by DonnieBrasco You could not be more wrong. There IS NO THING AS ENDGAME in an MMOG. It is only a term made up bye clueless powergamers. Reaching the level cap can be the end of playing in that game for those who are unable to find fun in that game and are helpless to enjoy the adventuring and the socializing.
Back then there have been two sort of players. Oner group leveled slow and enjoyed the game, the others leveled fast and then enjoyed the content. The later made the term "endgame". This was more like in sandbox games. Much later the term endgame turned ito the meaning of "what you can do once you maxed out your char".
I also dont like the term "endgame". However...
Even in LotRo there will be a day where every single bit of Tolkiens map is build in 3D and playable. You will have done any quest, visited every possible location, maybe killed every available bady. You have every available housing item, all pets, the best armor and best possible weapon.
You made it to "endgame" then. Of course you still can socialize and role play. But a good game still should deliver something. (This is the old sandbox discussion) If it doesnt deliver anything, even the best hardcore roleplayer will be bored, because the game turns into a 3d chatbox. In the old days we got GM events. Bandits played by GMs, Stories about kidnapping the maid evolved over weeks. Those days are gone. No true sandboxes anymore, no GM guilds anymore. Therefor LotRo has an endgame too. Sad but true.
*SIGH* Again: there is no such thing as "end game" in an MMO. If there is, then it's not an MMO! Secondly: better read Turbine's policy about updates: they have promised a FREE content update every 2-3 months, continously. There will also be a yearly, much bigger update (call it expansion), for some money as well. Thirdly - the release notes for the Evendim update was over 3 very very very large pages long. It took an hour just to browse through. Can't really call it a quickfix.... And lastly: I have played EQ2 for almost a whole year. There was none (zero, nill) content update during that time (in 2006). Oh yes, they had the Echos of F. expansion - for almost a full retail price DB
I think you just made my point.
LOTRO *does* have an end game - it is called level 50. Therefore it must not be an mmo. But that is nitpicking - the "endgame" is usually defined as what is available to do after you reach max level. And LOTRO lacks badly there. And don't use the old argument of "other games have been out a lot longer" - that won't fly anymore. Games released now are compared to what they are competing against right NOW, not what the game might be in 2 years. The standards have been raised, and simply publishing a "polished" game with few bugs (while unusual in mmo's...) is not enough by itself.
EQ2 has had FREE content updates almost every month since release, despite your contention that you saw ZERO during the year that you played. This history of the patches in 2006 tells a different story http://www.mmopatchtimer.com/forums/everquest-2-patches/ . Yes there was also pay-for expansion in that time period, but if you think that LOTRO will not have pay-for expansions in the future, I think you are dreaming.
2.5 pages of the Evendim release notes were BUG fixes, nerfs, and cosmetic changes - not content. How good a patch is is not related to how detailed it is in describing things like how they finally got "jewellery" spelled right, but still have not fixed cooking, farming, or the AH sorting filters.
You could not be more wrong.
There IS NO THING AS ENDGAME in an MMOG. It is only a term made up bye clueless powergamers.
Reaching the level cap can be the end of playing in that game for those who are unable to find fun in that game and are helpless to enjoy the adventuring and the socializing.
And again EQ2 DID NOT HAVE ANY free content updates even remotely close in size/content compared to the Evendim update during the 9-10 months I have played in 2006.
Please, no lies or twisting of words!
DB
Look..No one is lieing or twisting words...I have played EQ2 since it came out, and SOE has had content updates each month since they released the game in 2004,, and NO not the size of Evendim but none has claimed this, but still content updates and tweaks and bugfixes just like the evendim patch..If you didnt notice this then it's no one fault but yourself, you can always go and check the patch history at EQ2's hompage...
And up until now they released 3 major expansions and 3 adventure packs but these where ofcourse not free
And..to be honest there is a reason the Evendim patch notes was big, and that is IMO because Turbine is waiting to long between patches, If they have a bug fix i'd rather see them patch this in 2-4 weeks rather than have to wait for 3 months on the next update, and stuff like broken main quest should be hotfixed the day they find it out..Before the Evendim patch the main questline was bugged the quest with Tom Bombadill refused to continue at one spot(didnt happen all the time)..Broken main questline ?? I'd say that is a big NoNO concerning this game is so highly questbased as it is, you do NOT leave something like this in the game for 2 Months or more..
And about EQ2 how it was in the start, well I was one of them that liked many of the original features better than the newer more simplified WoW style changes they have made over the years..And to be honest you claim it was a disaster more/less but I didnt see that, it has always been a popular game but it got cought in the big WoW trap making "stupid signals that they had to change the gamestyle else they would not attract more players or grow as big as WoW..
And..to be honest there is a reason the Evendim patch notes was big, and that is IMO because Turbine is waiting to long between patches../Rigmor
Actually there are TWO reasons why it was big.
The 2nd one is that much of that content was SUPPOSED to be in the original release but was not ready. I personally do not expect any more freebies of that size, since that one was already 90% done when the game was released. Any further ones will need a lot more work.
I think people have lose motivation to play this game becouse they are not looking for a fantasy game. LOTRO is not a kill-kill game.LOTRO is a FANTASY WORLD in which you must rol a fantasy, if you do that you are going to enjoy a lot with this game, becouse this game is marvellous.
I think people have lose motivation to play this game becouse they are not looking for a fantasy game. LOTRO is not a kill-kill game.LOTRO is a FANTASY WORLD in which you must rol a fantasy, if you do that you are going to enjoy a lot with this game, becouse this game is marvellous.
Ever hear of the term churn applied to MMORPG's? Average length of subscription genre wide is around 3 months. If I add up all the time I spent and divide by the number of MMOs I have tried that would be about right for myself even. And that includes 2 years in DAoC and EQII and almost 4 in UO. So far I have about 9 months in LoTRO counting the closed beta with no feelings of burnout yet. Looks like I found another keeper.
And..to be honest there is a reason the Evendim patch notes was big, and that is IMO because Turbine is waiting to long between patches../Rigmor
Actually there are TWO reasons why it was big.
The 2nd one is that much of that content was SUPPOSED to be in the original release but was not ready. I personally do not expect any more freebies of that size, since that one was already 90% done when the game was released. Any further ones will need a lot more work.
You may mis-estimate how far in advance they plan... I heard some folks were invited to test an Isengard dungeon expansion back during the final month of open beta (April)....
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I think people have lose motivation to play this game becouse they are not looking for a fantasy game. LOTRO is not a kill-kill game.LOTRO is a FANTASY WORLD in which you must rol a fantasy, if you do that you are going to enjoy a lot with this game, becouse this game is marvellous.
Not sure I'm getting this..other than that you like it...
I would just like to point this out: There are people in this thread who claim one should not race to the max level and just enjoy the quests, yet at the same time rant about how they raided 3-4 nights a week and hated it. It sounds a lot like these people raced to the max level in WoW, against what they are saying. If you love the Warcraft lore and just enjoy WoW, it too would have the same argument that LotRO has.
There is only one problem. What happens when you finish all the quests? This is what is called the end-game. Do not try to act clever and say there is no such thing as an end-game. In theory, if you take the term literally, an MMO cannot have an end-game. That is not actually comprehending what the term means though. End-game refers to reaching the highest level or finishing the main part of the MMO.
This brings up the question of LotRO's end-game then. Is there enough PvP or PvE content? Is the game conducive to RP by providing sandbox-esque content?
Sadly, LotRO is lacking. In this post-WoW MMO-world, there needs to be something better. Simply adding content is one approach (this is just like WoW though, and many people are sick of doing the same thing over and over). There are many other approaches to make the game enjoyable over a long period of time, and hopefully some MMO will utilize them.
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Well, since EQ2 has only HAD one expansion, I am not sure what your point is.
And EQ2 gets free updates once a month, has been doing so since like.. forever.
Major expansion pack coming in Nov will probably be $25 or so. So that averages out to $2 a month per expansion. I can live with that.
And why in the world would any one want more than 2 characters in LOTRO, much less 55. Especially since I am bored to tears on my FIRST character already and she is only 39. And BTW, I have 9 alts in EQ2 ranging from level 14 to 66 besides my main, including 5 tier 7 crafters. and of course you would only need about 3 alts in LOTRO to "test" all the classes, since many are so similar you cannot really tell much difference.
Sounds like EQ2 is your game! I like it too but have found, personally, that LOTRO is great. I am in the 30's with my main and still having a blast.
I did stop playing EQ2 to try some other games out like Vanguard (ugh how I wanted to enjoy this game) but your conviction might sway me back. I think why I left was I recall the awe of discovery in EQ one that just did not seem to be there in the start of EQ2. It seemed cramped to me but I expect that has changes.
After Gods and Heroes comes out I may get a Station Pass and play EQ2 again as well. In the meantime it sounds like LOTRO is not your game but I like it loads and am not bored with it at all.
Well, since EQ2 has only HAD one expansion, I am not sure what your point is.
And EQ2 gets free updates once a month, has been doing so since like.. forever.
Major expansion pack coming in Nov will probably be $25 or so. So that averages out to $2 a month per expansion. I can live with that.
And why in the world would any one want more than 2 characters in LOTRO, much less 55. Especially since I am bored to tears on my FIRST character already and she is only 39. And BTW, I have 9 alts in EQ2 ranging from level 14 to 66 besides my main, including 5 tier 7 crafters. and of course you would only need about 3 alts in LOTRO to "test" all the classes, since many are so similar you cannot really tell much difference.
One expansion? Hold on let me check my EQ2 Collection. Ok I am back. So what was Desert of Flame, Kingdom of Sky and Echoes of Faydwer? They were all expansions that I bought for either $30 or $40 I can't remember anymore. I have no idea how many adventure packs there were but they always cost about $7 each and I think there was about 6-10. Oh I see why you are confused about how many expansions there were. You bought the Echoes of Faydwer which had all the expansions included because SOE realized how crappy the other two expansions were.
As far as how many alts you have are you counting the test server? Last time I played they only had 6 slots for all servers. Oh thats right if you spend more money you get 2 extra slots so maybe you have 8?
If your so bored stop playing. It took 39 levels to figure out you were bored? As soon as I get bored with any game I just stop playing whether i have a subscription or not.
Well anyways Laiina I do wish you good luck in EQ2 or wherever else you might go. We will just have to agree to disagree over our opinions of these 2 games. Like I said before I liked EQ2 but I just couldn't keep up with all the extras they want you to pay for. ie 3 expansions and countless adventure packs.
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In theory yes.
Unfortunately, once you hit 50 in LOTRO there is nothing to do, and no reason to do it even if there was something to do. That would be tolerable if making an alt was really viable - but if you make an alt, 90% of what you do will be the same quests, in the same zones, for the same items.
My main in EQ2 has been max level for over 15 months, yet there are still many zones and encounters, quests, collections, etc etc to do. I doubt if she will get them all done before the next expansion in November.
And how much will your expansion cost you? $30, $40 or $50 this time. EQ2 only had one good expansion the rest were bunk. By the way how many characters can you have in EQ2 now? What is it 6? In LotRO you can have up to 55. How are you able to test all the different class and race combinations in EQ2? Do you make a character and then delete it over and over?
Not to knitpick but EQ2 only had ONE expansion. It had a bunch of cheapo adventure packs that added a little bit of content, but they only had one full blown expansion pack
so saying they had only one good expansion pack was actually giving them 100% expansion pack success rate :P
The difference between adventure packs and expansion packs is simple to explain...well if you have a 360 and a copy of oblivion.
Mehunes razor was a small add on for 360 it cost about 10 bucks and added one dungeon it was a huge dungeon though before you complain about price.
Shivering Isles was an entirely new world with new dungeons armor weapons quests etc. it cost about 30 dollars.
there is the difference
They had 3 expansions and about 6-10 adventure packs, read above post.
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I guess I am more of an old school MMORPG player (RPG being the key statement). I spend lots of time in LOTRO not chasing levels or any sort of end -game (because, as stated, an end game makes no sense in an MMO). My main is still quite a ways off from the level cap and I just past 30th even though I have played consistantly. I have been to party's with Kinship, Helped lower level kin complete quests, crafted loads and getting Master X in all catagories. There is lmuch to do without rushing to the level cap. I also disagree that alts are worthless. They have different skill set combos and if you pick a different race there are plently of quests you did not do before.
Heck, I had a blast justrunning to Rivendel just to see it. I fought nothing and gained no experience. I think I started a couple of new deeds along the way. It reminds me of the original EQ where traveling just to see some very cool location was worth doing.
I don't know how others feel but in the case of single player RPGs I am always a little sad when I hit the end-game and am....well, done! With MMOs like LOTRO we can expect more content to continue our journey. The free update offered a lot and if they continue it will be great. I have heard tidbits about Moria and really look forward to something like that.
I do not have that Dialblo-esque rush to the end to see how much cool stuff I can muster up to kill Diablo with (or more recently Titan Quest). MMOs are not for that purpose unless they are some of the korean grind fest games. Some of these are enjoyable in their own way if you ware out to gain levels and amass stuff.
I think Turbine has so much more they can do here with the lore (which is obvious by the unused locations on the map alone)
/agree
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I said this before, but sadly has to repeat again:
To compare an MMO that is out for almost 3 years to a 2 month old MMO in terms of CONTENT VOLUME is anything but fair.
Also, EQ2's expansions were not free when they came out - LOTRO is already better in this sense.
DB
First of all EQ2 has made tons of "Free" updates available and secondly LOTRO will surely not give out their expansions free either "Shores of Evendim" was no expansion it was an update(rather big update thou)..Besides it looks alot as this update should have been in the game at release but didn't make it in time for release, so as a huge market trick they tell you that "look what you got for free"...
But If it was an expansion as you said then it was probably the smallest expansion I have seen in a MMORPG..
Ohh,,I can compare EQ2 with LOTRO as it was 3 years ago then ? If so, yes EQ2 had content to cover the end game even at it's release
I said this before, but sadly has to repeat again:
To compare an MMO that is out for almost 3 years to a 2 month old MMO in terms of CONTENT VOLUME is anything but fair.
Also, EQ2's expansions were not free when they came out - LOTRO is already better in this sense.
DB
First of all EQ2 has made tons of "Free" updates available and secondly LOTRO will surely not give out their expansions free either "Shores of Evendim" was no expansion it was an update(rather big update thou)..Besides it looks alot as this update should have been in the game at release but didn't make it in time for release, so as a huge market trick they tell you that "look what you got for free"...
But If it was an expansion as you said then it was probably the smallest expansion I have seen in a MMORPG..
Ohh,,I can compare EQ2 with LOTRO as it was 3 years ago then ? If so, yes EQ2 had content to cover the end game even at it's release
Don't make me find what people tought of EQ2 at release. You won't be happy.
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I have station access that gives me 9 char slots.
It was not like I got bored on level 1 in LOTRO. It built up gradually. by 35 I was logging in much less, and when I did log in I often did nothing but kill a few random mobs. By the time I hit 39 I had finally reached the epitomy of boredom and am giving it up as of the 9th of next month.
Also, having Station Access means I did not pay for any of the EQ2 adventure packs, they were included free.
And I am not saying that LOTRO is a "bad" game. But it is competing - for me - with almost 10 years of playing mmo's, and it brought very little that was new to the table. And to be honest, I don't see any other upcoming games out there that interest me much either.
And just for the record, I don't play EQ2 all that much anymore either. Although I still think it is a much better game than LOTRO, after 3+ years it also has begun to wear a bit thin.
So perhaps my problems with LOTRO are not really just with LOTRO, but with the entire current genre of mmo's, which for the vast majority means the same Tolkien inspired fantasy game. After playing EQ+EQ2 for a total of some 8 years, yet another elf/dwarf fantasy game just won't cut it this time around.
I know what EQ2 went through at release - I was there. And it was so bad that I went back to EQ1 for 9 months.
But in the past 18 months or so EQ2 has come a long way. Perhaps LOTRO will also, but right now it ain't there.
I have station access that gives me 9 char slots.
It was not like I got bored on level 1 in LOTRO. It built up gradually. by 35 I was logging in much less, and when I did log in I often did nothing but kill a few random mobs. By the time I hit 39 I had finally reached the epitomy of boredom and am giving it up as of the 9th of next month.
Also, having Station Access means I did not pay for any of the EQ2 adventure packs, they were included free.
And I am not saying that LOTRO is a "bad" game. But it is competing - for me - with almost 10 years of playing mmo's, and it brought very little that was new to the table. And to be honest, I don't see any other upcoming games out there that interest me much either.
And just for the record, I don't play EQ2 all that much anymore either. Although I still think it is a much better game than LOTRO, after 3+ years it also has begun to wear a bit thin.
So perhaps my problems with LOTRO are not really just with LOTRO, but with the entire current genre of mmo's, which for the vast majority means the same Tolkien inspired fantasy game. After playing EQ+EQ2 for a total of some 8 years, yet another elf/dwarf fantasy game just won't cut it this time around.
Yeah its all good Laiina. One last thing though. If you cancel your station pass but keep the EQ2 subscription you lose a couple character slots and access to the adventure packs. Anyways it was a fun little debate/discussion with you and am glad we didn't bad mouth each other. At least I hope I didn't its a long thread, I better go recheck what I wrote LOL. Our discussion felt more like friends talking over coffee, so I thank you. Cheers.In America I have bad teeth. If I lived in England my teeth would be perfect.
So, as you can tell I was pretty much in love. Until level 10ish on 4 classes and 3 different races. Then... it hit me. Holy cow is this game ever boring.
The classes are lame unless you like a warrior style class (which I don't.)
The grind is horribly eyegoungingly boring. Messenger quests, boars and bears and spiders... over and over, and this one named pig who is always "renamed" like we aren't going to notice it's the same darn pig... which as as interesting as my sock drawer.
The bottom line:
I think this game has it all for a casual weekend gamer who is an avid Lord of the Rings fan and heavy Role Player. I think loving the lore AND loving Role Play would compensate for the incredibly boring classes and gameplay/grind. If you are not this person, (Lore, RP, and melee class lover) this game is NOT for you.
As far as the other person that asked why we like LoTRO over say WoW... Personally I got sick of spending 4+ hours on raids 3 or 4 nights a week, the fact that you where only as good as your gear (And to get the gear you had to do the LONG raids) these things bother me... Make PvP FAIR once you enter PvP your gear is the same as their gear, set stats and all that jive... Then see who is the better PvPer... Make PvP actually take SKILL...
Please don't insult me because you feel inadequate. I have more time to burn playing mmo's so i burned through everything? I'm so sick and tired of people using that as an excuse I've heard it a hundred times. but to answer these questions ONCE agian for the simple minded, YES i read the quests YES i worked on deeds and tittles YES I crafted YES i raided in moster play. NO i didn't "race" through the game, I have a lot of free time.
Maybe if this game offered more it would hold my interest longer, other games have.
Time to wake up and face it people, its a good game if you play an hour every other day, but please don't tell me its my fault because this game lacks content.
I said this before, but sadly has to repeat again:
To compare an MMO that is out for almost 3 years to a 2 month old MMO in terms of CONTENT VOLUME is anything but fair.
Also, EQ2's expansions were not free when they came out - LOTRO is already better in this sense.
DB
First of all EQ2 has made tons of "Free" updates available and secondly LOTRO will surely not give out their expansions free either "Shores of Evendim" was no expansion it was an update(rather big update thou)..Besides it looks alot as this update should have been in the game at release but didn't make it in time for release, so as a huge market trick they tell you that "look what you got for free"...
But If it was an expansion as you said then it was probably the smallest expansion I have seen in a MMORPG..
Ohh,,I can compare EQ2 with LOTRO as it was 3 years ago then ? If so, yes EQ2 had content to cover the end game even at it's release
*SIGH*
Again: there is no such thing as "end game" in an MMO. If there is, then it's not an MMO!
Secondly: better read Turbine's policy about updates: they have promised a FREE content update every 2-3 months, continously. There will also be a yearly, much bigger update (call it expansion), for some money as well.
Thirdly - the release notes for the Evendim update was over 3 very very very large pages long. It took an hour just to browse through. Can't really call it a quickfix....
And lastly: I have played EQ2 for almost a whole year. There was none (zero, nill) content update during that time (in 2006). Oh yes, they had the Echos of F. expansion - for almost a full retail price
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
Can anyone say me which is the real storeline of WOW?.I have played this game for years and the only objective of WOW is get the max level as we can, to make the same raid everynight to some day have a respectable items. LOTRO is different, Of course if you log on and only go to kill enemys to levels up, yes i agree LOTRO can boring you, But if you read all the quests unfold through the game and you meddle in the storeline you really going to enjoy this game.
If you play an MMO to "advance", then you miss the whole point, and of course you will be bored. Reaching level 50 is not the end of the game, its the end of the XP gaining within the game. And that is only one aspect of playing...
However, if you play to enjoy and adventure - you will no need of an "end game", whatever it is anyway (I still can't grasp the idea
Updates and expansions extend the adventure and the new experiences that will keep me enjoying the game.
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
I think you just made my point.
LOTRO *does* have an end game - it is called level 50. Therefore it must not be an mmo. But that is nitpicking - the "endgame" is usually defined as what is available to do after you reach max level. And LOTRO lacks badly there. And don't use the old argument of "other games have been out a lot longer" - that won't fly anymore. Games released now are compared to what they are competing against right NOW, not what the game might be in 2 years. The standards have been raised, and simply publishing a "polished" game with few bugs (while unusual in mmo's...) is not enough by itself.
EQ2 has had FREE content updates almost every month since release, despite your contention that you saw ZERO during the year that you played. This history of the patches in 2006 tells a different story http://www.mmopatchtimer.com/forums/everquest-2-patches/ . Yes there was also pay-for expansion in that time period, but if you think that LOTRO will not have pay-for expansions in the future, I think you are dreaming.
2.5 pages of the Evendim release notes were BUG fixes, nerfs, and cosmetic changes - not content. How good a patch is is not related to how detailed it is in describing things like how they finally got "jewellery" spelled right, but still have not fixed cooking, farming, or the AH sorting filters.
I think you just made my point.
LOTRO *does* have an end game - it is called level 50. Therefore it must not be an mmo. But that is nitpicking - the "endgame" is usually defined as what is available to do after you reach max level. And LOTRO lacks badly there. And don't use the old argument of "other games have been out a lot longer" - that won't fly anymore. Games released now are compared to what they are competing against right NOW, not what the game might be in 2 years. The standards have been raised, and simply publishing a "polished" game with few bugs (while unusual in mmo's...) is not enough by itself.
EQ2 has had FREE content updates almost every month since release, despite your contention that you saw ZERO during the year that you played. This history of the patches in 2006 tells a different story http://www.mmopatchtimer.com/forums/everquest-2-patches/ . Yes there was also pay-for expansion in that time period, but if you think that LOTRO will not have pay-for expansions in the future, I think you are dreaming.
2.5 pages of the Evendim release notes were BUG fixes, nerfs, and cosmetic changes - not content. How good a patch is is not related to how detailed it is in describing things like how they finally got "jewellery" spelled right, but still have not fixed cooking, farming, or the AH sorting filters.
You could not be more wrong.
There IS NO THING AS ENDGAME in an MMOG. It is only a term made up bye clueless powergamers.
Reaching the level cap can be the end of playing in that game for those who are unable to find fun in that game and are helpless to enjoy the adventuring and the socializing.
And again EQ2 DID NOT HAVE ANY free content updates even remotely close in size/content compared to the Evendim update during the 9-10 months I have played in 2006.
Please, no lies or twisting of words!
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
I also dont like the term "endgame". However...
Even in LotRo there will be a day where every single bit of Tolkiens map is build in 3D and playable. You will have done any quest, visited every possible location, maybe killed every available bady. You have every available housing item, all pets, the best armor and best possible weapon.
You made it to "endgame" then. Of course you still can socialize and role play. But a good game still should deliver something. (This is the old sandbox discussion) If it doesnt deliver anything, even the best hardcore roleplayer will be bored, because the game turns into a 3d chatbox. In the old days we got GM events. Bandits played by GMs, Stories about kidnapping the maid evolved over weeks. Those days are gone. No true sandboxes anymore, no GM guilds anymore. Therefor LotRo has an endgame too. Sad but true.
I think you just made my point.
LOTRO *does* have an end game - it is called level 50. Therefore it must not be an mmo. But that is nitpicking - the "endgame" is usually defined as what is available to do after you reach max level. And LOTRO lacks badly there. And don't use the old argument of "other games have been out a lot longer" - that won't fly anymore. Games released now are compared to what they are competing against right NOW, not what the game might be in 2 years. The standards have been raised, and simply publishing a "polished" game with few bugs (while unusual in mmo's...) is not enough by itself.
EQ2 has had FREE content updates almost every month since release, despite your contention that you saw ZERO during the year that you played. This history of the patches in 2006 tells a different story http://www.mmopatchtimer.com/forums/everquest-2-patches/ . Yes there was also pay-for expansion in that time period, but if you think that LOTRO will not have pay-for expansions in the future, I think you are dreaming.
2.5 pages of the Evendim release notes were BUG fixes, nerfs, and cosmetic changes - not content. How good a patch is is not related to how detailed it is in describing things like how they finally got "jewellery" spelled right, but still have not fixed cooking, farming, or the AH sorting filters.
You could not be more wrong.
There IS NO THING AS ENDGAME in an MMOG. It is only a term made up bye clueless powergamers.
Reaching the level cap can be the end of playing in that game for those who are unable to find fun in that game and are helpless to enjoy the adventuring and the socializing.
And again EQ2 DID NOT HAVE ANY free content updates even remotely close in size/content compared to the Evendim update during the 9-10 months I have played in 2006.
Please, no lies or twisting of words!
DB
Look..No one is lieing or twisting words...I have played EQ2 since it came out, and SOE has had content updates each month since they released the game in 2004,, and NO not the size of Evendim but none has claimed this, but still content updates and tweaks and bugfixes just like the evendim patch..If you didnt notice this then it's no one fault but yourself, you can always go and check the patch history at EQ2's hompage...
And up until now they released 3 major expansions and 3 adventure packs but these where ofcourse not free
And..to be honest there is a reason the Evendim patch notes was big, and that is IMO because Turbine is waiting to long between patches, If they have a bug fix i'd rather see them patch this in 2-4 weeks rather than have to wait for 3 months on the next update, and stuff like broken main quest should be hotfixed the day they find it out..Before the Evendim patch the main questline was bugged the quest with Tom Bombadill refused to continue at one spot(didnt happen all the time)..Broken main questline ?? I'd say that is a big NoNO concerning this game is so highly questbased as it is, you do NOT leave something like this in the game for 2 Months or more..
And about EQ2 how it was in the start, well I was one of them that liked many of the original features better than the newer more simplified WoW style changes they have made over the years..And to be honest you claim it was a disaster more/less but I didnt see that, it has always been a popular game but it got cought in the big WoW trap making "stupid signals that they had to change the gamestyle else they would not attract more players or grow as big as WoW..
/Rigmor
Actually there are TWO reasons why it was big.
The 2nd one is that much of that content was SUPPOSED to be in the original release but was not ready. I personally do not expect any more freebies of that size, since that one was already 90% done when the game was released. Any further ones will need a lot more work.
I think people have lose motivation to play this game becouse they are not looking for a fantasy game. LOTRO is not a kill-kill game.LOTRO is a FANTASY WORLD in which you must rol a fantasy, if you do that you are going to enjoy a lot with this game, becouse this game is marvellous.
I miss DAoC
Actually there are TWO reasons why it was big.
The 2nd one is that much of that content was SUPPOSED to be in the original release but was not ready. I personally do not expect any more freebies of that size, since that one was already 90% done when the game was released. Any further ones will need a lot more work.
You may mis-estimate how far in advance they plan... I heard some folks were invited to test an Isengard dungeon expansion back during the final month of open beta (April)...."True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
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Not sure I'm getting this..other than that you like it...
/Thark
There is only one problem. What happens when you finish all the quests? This is what is called the end-game. Do not try to act clever and say there is no such thing as an end-game. In theory, if you take the term literally, an MMO cannot have an end-game. That is not actually comprehending what the term means though. End-game refers to reaching the highest level or finishing the main part of the MMO.
This brings up the question of LotRO's end-game then. Is there enough PvP or PvE content? Is the game conducive to RP by providing sandbox-esque content?
Sadly, LotRO is lacking. In this post-WoW MMO-world, there needs to be something better. Simply adding content is one approach (this is just like WoW though, and many people are sick of doing the same thing over and over). There are many other approaches to make the game enjoyable over a long period of time, and hopefully some MMO will utilize them.
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