AmazingAveryAge of Conan AdvocateMemberUncommonPosts: 7,188
Originally posted by Celestian
Originally posted by Newmeanie
Originally posted by spartan33
Originally posted by Newmeanie
A 7.3 is crap hype for this game, it deserves much higher, and it does not deserve to be under Warhammer. IF youve been following the development of both games, youll notice this one has much more to offer that is different than other MMOs, Warhammer is pretty much the same ol same ol
A well written post with lots of facts to support his argument!
Im not going to write down every detail about both games. thats redundant. thanx for ur constructive criticism
Because if you did you'd notice that AoC is gunna be just as "same ole same ole" as any other MMO.
Woohoo, I get to upgrade to Vista and micro-managed targeting.
how come your upgrading to Vista?
Actually my up-to-date friend, I believe AoC is bringing many new things to the table in improving on those that are out there;
In case you didn't know:
To Quote a Friend:
Items never before seen in other MMOs:
-spellweaving
-soul corruption
-semi to exceptionally realistic mounted combat
-true collision detection, including characters getting the crap trampled out of them by aforementioned cavalry.
-formation combat that actually means something tactically, and doesn't leave players screaming at their leaders to turn it off so they don't all die (Shadowbane anyone?)
-crafting levels advanced by quests, not grinding.
Items that have been used only rarely, and are usually ignored by the average developer:
-skill/level hybrid system, properly done, this embodies the best of both worlds.
-overarching storyline that is constantly and consistantly in motion
-guild city sieges, both PvE and PvP
-customizable equipment
Items that have been significantly improved over what is commonly seen on the market:
-Combat AI: A lone enemy might run, set up an ambush and/or get help from its pack/band/nest/etc. before attacking if it feels outmatched. Enemies of all kinds are likely to go for the weakest in a crowd, people trying to "tank" will have to physically block their path.
-out of combat AI: The cities are alive with activity as NPCs fulfill their current "needs". Think a couple hundred Sims left on their own, only these guys don't piss themselves out of stupidity. NPCs, and the people they know, will treat you differently depending on what they know (and what they think they know) about you. For example, that widow you helped out before might wave and give you a much warmer greeting than before you did the related quest, whether or not you actually engage her in conversation.
-Whatever the final result of the debate over raiding may be, Its been shown quite clearly that even if there is any advantage towards raiders and their gear, said advantage is minimal at worst.
You know, since when does everyone only care about looks in a game? Sure AoC has the good looks and whatever u wanna call the combat style, but is that all you ppl look at? I'm not saying its going to be a bad game, cuz i know it'll do just fine, but the reason why i'm not looking forward to this is because it doesnt seem like it will last.
I'm more hyped for WAR because I dont care about looks or M rating, i wanna have fun, and since when is PvP not fun. I'm sure anyone who played WoW will understand me when i say that I am dying to do some hardcore, meaningful PvP. Obviously i know AoC will have PvP, but at this point WAR seems more impressive.
And also, all you people saying WAR is WoW are just thinking of an excuse to bad mouth WAR. If u actually saw the videos and read abou the game there is no way you could possibly think that. You probably just took one look at the graphics and said "OMG it looks like WoW!"
AoC and WAR will be two very different games and it will be interesting to see which one draws more attention.
I don't find AoC really interesting. Is a nice looking game but that's it.
The combat is too FPS for my taste, which in an RPG is a real turn off for me.
Is that a crime?
AoC didn't invent anything new, there is no need to be so surprised.
For me in RPGs the joystick or mouse ability of the player should not make the difference in combat.
Personally, what I like in MMORPGs is the developement of the character skills and abilities throughout his life.
That and the Equipment should make the difference in combat, not how many joystick I smash each week.
If I want a challenge between me and the Joystick/mouse, I play Unreal turnement.
Lastly, I will buy AoC like I usually do with every major MMO, but I will play it for 2 or 3 months maximun, after that I am sure I' ll get bored.
WAR for me has a more long term appeal, more reason to be in a guild, and more things to do, in short it has more RPG elements in it which I am sure will keep me playing it.
But time will tell, I always keep an open mind on things, so if AoC will prove me wrong, I'll keep playing it fo course.
But now, for what I read from the 2 games, WAR is the one that attract my interest.........and Gods and Heroes too.
Why shouldn't be? O_o I don't find AoC really interesting. Is a nice looking game but that's it. The combat is too FPS for my taste, which in an RPG is a real turn off for me. Is that a crime? AoC didn't invent anything new, there is no need to be so surprised.
This is where it's great that we can talk about different opinions! No, I dont think AoC really invented a whole lot that is new, but they've brought some concepts to MMO's, like the combat system that are new, so to me, that is reason to be pleased. Then they are also doing things like trying a different way to spellcast, doing quests in a slightly different manner, add it all up...
Originally posted by ste2000 For me in RPGs the joystick or mouse ability of the player should not make the difference in combat.
Well, this is both agree and disagree. AoC it's more about recognizing a weakness and being quick enough to exploit it. It's not the mindless whack-a-mole that we've seen in the past, and it's not some random "dice roll" that decides win or lose. Especially when you never see the roll, just the result.
[quote]Originally posted by ste2000 Personally, what I like in MMORPGs is the developement of the character skills and abilities throughout his life. That and the Equipment should make the difference in combat, not how many joystick I smash each week.
Lastly, I will buy AoC like I usually do with every major MMO, but I will play it for 2 or 3 months maximun, after that I am sure I' ll get bored. WAR for me has a more long term appeal, more reason to be in a guild, and more things to do, in short it has more RPG elements in it which I am sure will keep me playing it.
But time will tell, I always keep an open mind on things, so if AoC will prove me wrong, I'll keep playing it fo course. But now, for what I read from the 2 games, WAR is the one that attract my interest.........and Gods and Heroes too.[/b][/quote]
Having 20 levels where you are in essence diving head first into the story appeals to me, as well as 14,000 feats to choose from, essentially 1,000 per class. That gives me hope that the way that I play my class might be different than the way someone else does. Uniqueness is good.
As far as the other part, I'm no huge fan of item-centric grind fests like Everquest. If what you are wearing (i.e. spending more time playing) makes you a better player than the guy who is more intelligent, and understands how to play, then to me, it's an incredibly lame grindfest, much like EQ, or like WoW, where those who spend time raiding have a huge advantage in every phase of the game as compared to those who dont.
The again, joystick mashing has nothing to do with it. Back to the dice roll/item centric grind fest again..yuck.
To me, I see a far larger reason to be in a guild in AoC. Without a guild, I'd miss out on the entire endgame aspect. No PvE raiding, no siege combat in the Borderlands, and no siege combat thru the PvE Guild Cities. Working together in that manner I feel that to fully experience it all, I'd need a guild to be able to do so.
To me, with WAR, not as pressing a reason to join a guild, because the PvP really is everywhere. I can experience it without having to be part of a larger organiztion, now to be good at it, that might be something else. Besides, I cant imagine a more meaningless system for PvP. Take the capital city, and then watch the server reset so the battle can start again anew. So what's the real reason to get involved, even if you win, it's reset to fight again from scratch the next day or week anyhow? To me, pointless, of course I know others prefer it.
With far less things to do, I'm not sure about WAR, I'll probably pick it up, in order to play with some old friends who were AoC fanatics, but I doubt I'll stick with it all that long, since to me, it's just a repetitive circle, with very little point to it. Who knows though, it may end up delivering a better experience for me than I'd expect, and then I'd want to stick around with it longer. Of course, that's just me keeping an open mind as well.
See, sharing opinions with others can be fun, even when you disagree!
it actually does represent the age of conan community..the forums are just full of.."this is my game and anything you say will be shot down" type of people..half the time they are bashing war..i dont find the game interesting and i have no love for the community
I think the game looks interesting but the additude I am seeing is driving me away. Just comments about how WAR must be ranked high by WoW lovers, WAR copied WoW's graphics (which is just ignorant) and now complaining about the hype...c'mon, its a game. So what if another is ranked higher, if you like it, great, what does that have to do with where it is on a list where people admittedly vote with multiple accounts...makes zero sense to me.
Don't let a few bad apples like the OP here influence your opinion. Trust me, he's not a good representative of the general AoC community.
Edit: Thanks Avery, I had been wondering where I left that post.
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. Hemingway
Originally posted by Baikal As far as the other part, I'm no huge fan of item-centric grind fests like Everquest. If what you are wearing (i.e. spending more time playing) makes you a better player than the guy who is more intelligent, and understands how to play, then to me, it's an incredibly lame grindfest, much like EQ, or like WoW, where those who spend time raiding have a huge advantage in every phase of the game as compared to those who dont.
Well, it depends on how much more intelligent he is and how much harder it is to get his gear. I mean, if gear doesn't count for anything, or extremely little, you won't have to play as much. Ofcourse, every publisher wants their game to be played a lot...
That said, I thought Age of Conan would become more skillbased than other MMOs (especially WoW - being the one I've played the most), since you have combos while fighting, not just special abilities. Unfortunately, in my opinion, you can set together your combos before the fight, leaving you back to wow-ish stuff where you just click some buttons that flash on the screen. I would be more pleased if you really had to learn combos, more like a console based fighting game (e.g. Tekken). This would really make the game more skillbased and less gear based, I think.
Though, the fighting system is a huge step in the MMO world. Ofcourse, it's not new in gaming, but it looks like no other MMO I've seen. Hopefully it will draw more players console players as well, fighting like Tekken and avalible on Xbox 360.
Originally posted by Baikal To me, I see a far larger reason to be in a guild in AoC. Without a guild, I'd miss out on the entire endgame aspect. No PvE raiding, no siege combat in the Borderlands, and no siege combat thru the PvE Guild Cities. Working together in that manner I feel that to fully experience it all, I'd need a guild to be able to do so.
I doubt it will be less possible with PvE raiding without a guild in AoC than it is in e.g. WoW. Ofcourse, you'll have to find a group of players that will raid with you even if you're not in their guild. But, yes, there are a lot of advantages from being in a guild (as a Master you can even get better pets), and I think it's great that you get some kind of advantage from being a more social person in game.
Personally the more I read and hear I am starting to lean towards AoC over WO. I have a lot of friends that think WO will be the next great mmorpg.
AoC to me seems like it will offer new cutting edge game play and combat style. Of course it is not in a genre of its own, but it does seem like the devs have really tried to make things different and have tried new things.
With WO it seems like they have taken what has worked in the more modern mmorpgs and are trying to implement them into one game. Mythic has an excellent team.
This is totally a hype call though, I have not beta'd etiher of these.
My HYPE, they both will do good.
AoC - 9 Looks solid and offers some ground breaking ideas with a "newish" theme.
WO - 8.5 Looks solid and offers the best of what we have now with the same old theme.
I do not really care about the hype, this is something which has creeped into our gaming world over the last few years. It is causing much damage to our communities in general. The reason for this is it makes people argue over trivial tripe, leaving the people on one side to either agree or disagree. The fact of the matter is I believe until the true facts of any game which come to fruition either during or after beta testing will go a long way to weather the game will be a success or failure.
It does not matter what these boards decide to guess what the game will do, they just milking folks to keep their boards active to gain revenue to fill their pockets. So I would like to point out having beta tested the AO game which is now free to play with funcom, It will be interesting to see if funcom are able to learn from their past failure of AO with AoC. Ok i hear you all say how can AO be a failure as it's been going for such a long time.
Well it's free, which means it either flopped or they are being very generous indeed. However if you speak to many of the players who left the game having beta tested and bought it, the develpoers failed to listen to their tester like many other MMO's have done recently too. So all I care about at the moment is that the new developers or if there are still some on the team from AO that they ignore any hype and work hard to listen to the current batch of testers.
Then it will not matter about any hype at all, but do not hold your breathe, as this too could end up like another Vanguard. Just because it is looking good does not mean it will be better or worse than WAR or vis versa.
My other comment which I have seen banded on here about they hope the wow players go to WAR, lets not beat about the bush, there are many wow players who choose to stay with wow as the other games out in the market are poor or for other reason they only know. So does that make them dumb? People fail to give credit to many of the folks who played and are still playing wow, there are some top people in that game who are switched on cookies. I played the game for a week and have to say it was not for me at all. Too fisher price for me. Fisher price is a game companies name for kids toys for young age about 8 and below in case you Americans do not understand what I meant.
So I reckon it's time we all started acting a little more mature rather than flamming the pants off each other and accept what might be good for some is not going to be other people cup of tea.
Originally posted by vajuras neither WAR or AoC is all that special its funny you think one should be rated over the other. they are both pretty equal WAR will have mass appeal cause Age of Conan is gonna kill everyone's computers unfortunately
I think WAR will have a larger playerbase due to their amazing "resemblance" to WoW. I think more players will move from WoW to WAR, than from WoW to AoC, and WoW being as large as it is, that'll make a huge difference.
From what Funcom has said though, you'll be able to turn down the graphics a lot, so that you'll be able to play it on a pretty "cheap" computer.. I don't see the problem with having the possibility of great graphics..
Well it's free, which means it either flopped or they are being very generous indeed. However if you speak to many of the players who left the game having beta tested and bought it, the develpoers failed to listen to their tester like many other MMO's have done recently too. So all I care about at the moment is that the new developers or if there are still some on the team from AO that they ignore any hype and work hard to listen to the current batch of testers.
Actually, it is not free. What is "free" right now is the original version fo the game released all those years ago, without the expansions. The thing is, thanks to aforementioned expansions, the free version is no longer worth playing for the extreme long term, although one can still have plenty of fun. The incentive as of right now is constantly to upgrade to a paying account. Also, thanks to carefully placed ingame ads, they are making money off of the "froobs" that never upgrade as well.
Besides, AO had a horrid launch due to low funding and too little testing. Niether applies to AoC. Does that mean it can't have a similar launch? no, but it does significantly lessen the possibility.
Originally posted by Thefonz
Psh you guys are all lame you should play my MMO that's being released soon. It'lll have beer and underpants, and guns that shoot guns out of them!
Actually, the military has/had been exploring the possibility of having such a weapon The idea was that artillery or other large bore weapons could fire a shell encased remote controlled probe that could glide in towards the target once in the air and nearby. This would have the advantage of being much harder to detect than a similar probe able to fly in under its own power. A few models were apparently discussed that had small armaments for personell engagements.
Guns that shoot guns
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. Hemingway
Originally posted by matraqueI was watching both games with a close eye, and so far, WAR gets my vote. Sorry guys
The fact that you are playing VG right now kind of diminishes your view on things! Thanks for adding your opinion to the debate, even if we question the value of it...Vanguard...ewwwww.
Originally posted by matraqueI was watching both games with a close eye, and so far, WAR gets my vote. Sorry guys
The fact that you are playing VG right now kind of diminishes your view on things! Thanks for adding your opinion to the debate, even if we question the value of it...Vanguard...ewwwww.
Oh come on becuase someone played one game ... they must not be able to rate others .. you ever play wow Baikal .. if so you shows how much you know..
Not really wows a good game , but that the argument your using. And its wrong.
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Originally posted by matraque I was watching both games with a close eye, and so far, WAR gets my vote. Sorry guys
The fact that you are playing VG right now kind of diminishes your view on things! Thanks for adding your opinion to the debate, even if we question the value of it...Vanguard...ewwwww.
Oh come on becuase someone played one game ... they must not be able to rate others .. you ever play wow Baikal .. if so you shows how much you know.. Not really wows a good game , but that the argument your using. And its wrong.
Perhaps you missed the smiley to indicate that I was joking, I'm sorry it was over your head.
I've seen many Matraque posts on the VG forums, and spent some time there myself, and without a doubt he's one of the more reasonable guys over there. I'd think he'd realize I was joking.
Step back, take a pill, have a drink, do something to relax. It kinda just proves the point that a few of us make about the fairly high "moron factor", that people seem to exhibit when they come to post here. Even normally reasonable people exhibit it...
neither WAR or AoC is all that special its funny you think one should be rated over the other. they are both pretty equal WAR will have mass appeal cause Age of Conan is gonna kill everyone's computers unfortunately
Truely spoked as one who knows nothing about AoC and can't be bothered with learning about something before posting like he knows
Of all that is written, I love only what a person has written with his own blood. -Nietzsche
Originally posted by matraque I was watching both games with a close eye, and so far, WAR gets my vote. Sorry guys
The fact that you are playing VG right now kind of diminishes your view on things! Thanks for adding your opinion to the debate, even if we question the value of it...Vanguard...ewwwww.
Oh come on becuase someone played one game ... they must not be able to rate others .. you ever play wow Baikal .. if so you shows how much you know..
Not really wows a good game , but that the argument your using. And its wrong.
Perhaps you missed the smiley to indicate that I was joking, I'm sorry it was over your head.
I've seen many Matraque posts on the VG forums, and spent some time there myself, and without a doubt he's one of the more reasonable guys over there. I'd think he'd realize I was joking.
Step back, take a pill, have a drink, do something to relax. It kinda just proves the point that a few of us make about the fairly high "moron factor", that people seem to exhibit when they come to post here. Even normally reasonable people exhibit it...
Actually I wouldn't have been joking, anyone stupid enough to pay for Vantard after what everyone knew from beta gets a minus to credibility
Of all that is written, I love only what a person has written with his own blood. -Nietzsche
From what I've seen WAR and AoC seem to ping-pong for which has the top spot.
Seems fairly even to me, just so happens WAR is on top right now.
It's great that there are two eagerly anticipated popular games on the horizon.
Two games this anticipated is good for MMOs in general, that so many people are sick of WoW is "good" for AoC... though it might be "bad" as far as the people who are sick of people from WoW
Of all that is written, I love only what a person has written with his own blood. -Nietzsche
Originally posted by matraqueI was watching both games with a close eye, and so far, WAR gets my vote. Sorry guys
The fact that you are playing VG right now kind of diminishes your view on things! Thanks for adding your opinion to the debate, even if we question the value of it...Vanguard...ewwwww.
Originally posted by matraque I was watching both games with a close eye, and so far, WAR gets my vote. Sorry guys
The fact that you are playing VG right now kind of diminishes your view on things! Thanks for adding your opinion to the debate, even if we question the value of it...Vanguard...ewwwww.
Oh come on becuase someone played one game ... they must not be able to rate others .. you ever play wow Baikal .. if so you shows how much you know..
Not really wows a good game , but that the argument your using. And its wrong.
Perhaps you missed the smiley to indicate that I was joking, I'm sorry it was over your head.
I've seen many Matraque posts on the VG forums, and spent some time there myself, and without a doubt he's one of the more reasonable guys over there. I'd think he'd realize I was joking.
Step back, take a pill, have a drink, do something to relax. It kinda just proves the point that a few of us make about the fairly high "moron factor", that people seem to exhibit when they come to post here. Even normally reasonable people exhibit it...
Actually I wouldn't have been joking, anyone stupid enough to pay for Vantard after what everyone knew from beta gets a minus to credibility
Hmm... I played beta. Not sure what you mean. It's a good "in between" game, i still don't understand why everyone can't get that in their head.
Maybe if AoC had more info, eye candy, podcast (like WAR), i would change my vote
Originally posted by matraque Originally posted by Baikal
Originally posted by matraque I was watching both games with a close eye, and so far, WAR gets my vote. Sorry guys
The fact that you are playing VG right now kind of diminishes your view on things! Thanks for adding your opinion to the debate, even if we question the value of it...Vanguard...ewwwww.
Hmmm... VG is an ok game.
Hehe, I dont want it to devolve into that discussion here! I've always been a proponent of playing what you like, there are plenty of different tastes out there which is why it's a good thing to have multiple choices.
Personally, for me, I did not think the same thing about VG. Too many issues with the game itself, but on a serious note, from a design perspective I just believe that there are fundamental points that the VG team went in one direction, and the Funcom team went in another. That being said, I just see 'em as 2 very different kinds of games with different aims.
Either or, if ya like it, play it. There is no "better" MMO out there, it's just a matter of what YOU like better.
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Im not going to write down every detail about both games. thats redundant. thanx for ur constructive criticism
Because if you did you'd notice that AoC is gunna be just as "same ole same ole" as any other MMO.
Woohoo, I get to upgrade to Vista and micro-managed targeting.
how come your upgrading to Vista?
Actually my up-to-date friend, I believe AoC is bringing many new things to the table in improving on those that are out there;
In case you didn't know:
To Quote a Friend:
Items never before seen in other MMOs:
-spellweaving
-soul corruption
-semi to exceptionally realistic mounted combat
-true collision detection, including characters getting the crap trampled out of them by aforementioned cavalry.
-formation combat that actually means something tactically, and doesn't leave players screaming at their leaders to turn it off so they don't all die (Shadowbane anyone?)
-crafting levels advanced by quests, not grinding.
Items that have been used only rarely, and are usually ignored by the average developer:
-skill/level hybrid system, properly done, this embodies the best of both worlds.
-overarching storyline that is constantly and consistantly in motion
-guild city sieges, both PvE and PvP
-customizable equipment
Items that have been significantly improved over what is commonly seen on the market:
-Combat AI: A lone enemy might run, set up an ambush and/or get help from its pack/band/nest/etc. before attacking if it feels outmatched. Enemies of all kinds are likely to go for the weakest in a crowd, people trying to "tank" will have to physically block their path.
-out of combat AI: The cities are alive with activity as NPCs fulfill their current "needs". Think a couple hundred Sims left on their own, only these guys don't piss themselves out of stupidity. NPCs, and the people they know, will treat you differently depending on what they know (and what they think they know) about you. For example, that widow you helped out before might wave and give you a much warmer greeting than before you did the related quest, whether or not you actually engage her in conversation.
-Whatever the final result of the debate over raiding may be, Its been shown quite clearly that even if there is any advantage towards raiders and their gear, said advantage is minimal at worst.
You know, since when does everyone only care about looks in a game? Sure AoC has the good looks and whatever u wanna call the combat style, but is that all you ppl look at? I'm not saying its going to be a bad game, cuz i know it'll do just fine, but the reason why i'm not looking forward to this is because it doesnt seem like it will last.
I'm more hyped for WAR because I dont care about looks or M rating, i wanna have fun, and since when is PvP not fun. I'm sure anyone who played WoW will understand me when i say that I am dying to do some hardcore, meaningful PvP. Obviously i know AoC will have PvP, but at this point WAR seems more impressive.
And also, all you people saying WAR is WoW are just thinking of an excuse to bad mouth WAR. If u actually saw the videos and read abou the game there is no way you could possibly think that. You probably just took one look at the graphics and said "OMG it looks like WoW!"
AoC and WAR will be two very different games and it will be interesting to see which one draws more attention.
OK im ready for the flaming now
I don't find AoC really interesting. Is a nice looking game but that's it.
The combat is too FPS for my taste, which in an RPG is a real turn off for me.
Is that a crime?
AoC didn't invent anything new, there is no need to be so surprised.
For me in RPGs the joystick or mouse ability of the player should not make the difference in combat.
Personally, what I like in MMORPGs is the developement of the character skills and abilities throughout his life.
That and the Equipment should make the difference in combat, not how many joystick I smash each week.
If I want a challenge between me and the Joystick/mouse, I play Unreal turnement.
Lastly, I will buy AoC like I usually do with every major MMO, but I will play it for 2 or 3 months maximun, after that I am sure I' ll get bored.
WAR for me has a more long term appeal, more reason to be in a guild, and more things to do, in short it has more RPG elements in it which I am sure will keep me playing it.
But time will tell, I always keep an open mind on things, so if AoC will prove me wrong, I'll keep playing it fo course.
But now, for what I read from the 2 games, WAR is the one that attract my interest.........and Gods and Heroes too.
This is where it's great that we can talk about different opinions! No, I dont think AoC really invented a whole lot that is new, but they've brought some concepts to MMO's, like the combat system that are new, so to me, that is reason to be pleased. Then they are also doing things like trying a different way to spellcast, doing quests in a slightly different manner, add it all up...
Well, this is both agree and disagree. AoC it's more about recognizing a weakness and being quick enough to exploit it. It's not the mindless whack-a-mole that we've seen in the past, and it's not some random "dice roll" that decides win or lose. Especially when you never see the roll, just the result.
[quote]Originally posted by ste2000
Personally, what I like in MMORPGs is the developement of the character skills and abilities throughout his life.
That and the Equipment should make the difference in combat, not how many joystick I smash each week.
Lastly, I will buy AoC like I usually do with every major MMO, but I will play it for 2 or 3 months maximun, after that I am sure I' ll get bored.
WAR for me has a more long term appeal, more reason to be in a guild, and more things to do, in short it has more RPG elements in it which I am sure will keep me playing it.
But time will tell, I always keep an open mind on things, so if AoC will prove me wrong, I'll keep playing it fo course.
But now, for what I read from the 2 games, WAR is the one that attract my interest.........and Gods and Heroes too.[/b][/quote]
Having 20 levels where you are in essence diving head first into the story appeals to me, as well as 14,000 feats to choose from, essentially 1,000 per class. That gives me hope that the way that I play my class might be different than the way someone else does. Uniqueness is good.
As far as the other part, I'm no huge fan of item-centric grind fests like Everquest. If what you are wearing (i.e. spending more time playing) makes you a better player than the guy who is more intelligent, and understands how to play, then to me, it's an incredibly lame grindfest, much like EQ, or like WoW, where those who spend time raiding have a huge advantage in every phase of the game as compared to those who dont.
The again, joystick mashing has nothing to do with it. Back to the dice roll/item centric grind fest again..yuck.
To me, I see a far larger reason to be in a guild in AoC. Without a guild, I'd miss out on the entire endgame aspect. No PvE raiding, no siege combat in the Borderlands, and no siege combat thru the PvE Guild Cities. Working together in that manner I feel that to fully experience it all, I'd need a guild to be able to do so.
To me, with WAR, not as pressing a reason to join a guild, because the PvP really is everywhere. I can experience it without having to be part of a larger organiztion, now to be good at it, that might be something else. Besides, I cant imagine a more meaningless system for PvP. Take the capital city, and then watch the server reset so the battle can start again anew. So what's the real reason to get involved, even if you win, it's reset to fight again from scratch the next day or week anyhow? To me, pointless, of course I know others prefer it.
With far less things to do, I'm not sure about WAR, I'll probably pick it up, in order to play with some old friends who were AoC fanatics, but I doubt I'll stick with it all that long, since to me, it's just a repetitive circle, with very little point to it. Who knows though, it may end up delivering a better experience for me than I'd expect, and then I'd want to stick around with it longer. Of course, that's just me keeping an open mind as well.
See, sharing opinions with others can be fun, even when you disagree!
Don't let a few bad apples like the OP here influence your opinion. Trust me, he's not a good representative of the general AoC community.
Edit: Thanks Avery, I had been wondering where I left that post.
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Hemingway
Well, it depends on how much more intelligent he is and how much harder it is to get his gear. I mean, if gear doesn't count for anything, or extremely little, you won't have to play as much. Ofcourse, every publisher wants their game to be played a lot...
That said, I thought Age of Conan would become more skillbased than other MMOs (especially WoW - being the one I've played the most), since you have combos while fighting, not just special abilities. Unfortunately, in my opinion, you can set together your combos before the fight, leaving you back to wow-ish stuff where you just click some buttons that flash on the screen. I would be more pleased if you really had to learn combos, more like a console based fighting game (e.g. Tekken). This would really make the game more skillbased and less gear based, I think.
Though, the fighting system is a huge step in the MMO world. Ofcourse, it's not new in gaming, but it looks like no other MMO I've seen. Hopefully it will draw more players console players as well, fighting like Tekken and avalible on Xbox 360.
I doubt it will be less possible with PvE raiding without a guild in AoC than it is in e.g. WoW. Ofcourse, you'll have to find a group of players that will raid with you even if you're not in their guild. But, yes, there are a lot of advantages from being in a guild (as a Master you can even get better pets), and I think it's great that you get some kind of advantage from being a more social person in game.
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Personally the more I read and hear I am starting to lean towards AoC over WO. I have a lot of friends that think WO will be the next great mmorpg.
AoC to me seems like it will offer new cutting edge game play and combat style. Of course it is not in a genre of its own, but it does seem like the devs have really tried to make things different and have tried new things.
With WO it seems like they have taken what has worked in the more modern mmorpgs and are trying to implement them into one game. Mythic has an excellent team.
This is totally a hype call though, I have not beta'd etiher of these.
My HYPE, they both will do good.
AoC - 9 Looks solid and offers some ground breaking ideas with a "newish" theme.
WO - 8.5 Looks solid and offers the best of what we have now with the same old theme.
I do not really care about the hype, this is something which has creeped into our gaming world over the last few years. It is causing much damage to our communities in general. The reason for this is it makes people argue over trivial tripe, leaving the people on one side to either agree or disagree. The fact of the matter is I believe until the true facts of any game which come to fruition either during or after beta testing will go a long way to weather the game will be a success or failure.
It does not matter what these boards decide to guess what the game will do, they just milking folks to keep their boards active to gain revenue to fill their pockets. So I would like to point out having beta tested the AO game which is now free to play with funcom, It will be interesting to see if funcom are able to learn from their past failure of AO with AoC. Ok i hear you all say how can AO be a failure as it's been going for such a long time.
Well it's free, which means it either flopped or they are being very generous indeed. However if you speak to many of the players who left the game having beta tested and bought it, the develpoers failed to listen to their tester like many other MMO's have done recently too. So all I care about at the moment is that the new developers or if there are still some on the team from AO that they ignore any hype and work hard to listen to the current batch of testers.
Then it will not matter about any hype at all, but do not hold your breathe, as this too could end up like another Vanguard. Just because it is looking good does not mean it will be better or worse than WAR or vis versa.
My other comment which I have seen banded on here about they hope the wow players go to WAR, lets not beat about the bush, there are many wow players who choose to stay with wow as the other games out in the market are poor or for other reason they only know. So does that make them dumb? People fail to give credit to many of the folks who played and are still playing wow, there are some top people in that game who are switched on cookies. I played the game for a week and have to say it was not for me at all. Too fisher price for me. Fisher price is a game companies name for kids toys for young age about 8 and below in case you Americans do not understand what I meant.
So I reckon it's time we all started acting a little more mature rather than flamming the pants off each other and accept what might be good for some is not going to be other people cup of tea.
Bandit.
Asbo
neither WAR or AoC is all that special its funny you think one should be rated over the other. they are both pretty equal
WAR will have mass appeal cause Age of Conan is gonna kill everyone's computers unfortunately
I think WAR will have a larger playerbase due to their amazing "resemblance" to WoW. I think more players will move from WoW to WAR, than from WoW to AoC, and WoW being as large as it is, that'll make a huge difference.
From what Funcom has said though, you'll be able to turn down the graphics a lot, so that you'll be able to play it on a pretty "cheap" computer.. I don't see the problem with having the possibility of great graphics..
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Actually, it is not free. What is "free" right now is the original version fo the game released all those years ago, without the expansions. The thing is, thanks to aforementioned expansions, the free version is no longer worth playing for the extreme long term, although one can still have plenty of fun. The incentive as of right now is constantly to upgrade to a paying account. Also, thanks to carefully placed ingame ads, they are making money off of the "froobs" that never upgrade as well.
Besides, AO had a horrid launch due to low funding and too little testing. Niether applies to AoC. Does that mean it can't have a similar launch? no, but it does significantly lessen the possibility.
Actually, the military has/had been exploring the possibility of having such a weapon
Guns that shoot guns
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The fact that you are playing VG right now kind of diminishes your view on things! Thanks for adding your opinion to the debate, even if we question the value of it...Vanguard...ewwwww.
The fact that you are playing VG right now kind of diminishes your view on things! Thanks for adding your opinion to the debate, even if we question the value of it...Vanguard...ewwwww.
Oh come on becuase someone played one game ... they must not be able to rate others .. you ever play wow Baikal .. if so you shows how much you know..Not really wows a good game , but that the argument your using. And its wrong.
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Perhaps you missed the smiley to indicate that I was joking, I'm sorry it was over your head.
I've seen many Matraque posts on the VG forums, and spent some time there myself, and without a doubt he's one of the more reasonable guys over there. I'd think he'd realize I was joking.
Step back, take a pill, have a drink, do something to relax. It kinda just proves the point that a few of us make about the fairly high "moron factor", that people seem to exhibit when they come to post here. Even normally reasonable people exhibit it...
Of all that is written, I love only what a person has written with his own blood. -Nietzsche
The fact that you are playing VG right now kind of diminishes your view on things! Thanks for adding your opinion to the debate, even if we question the value of it...Vanguard...ewwwww.
Oh come on becuase someone played one game ... they must not be able to rate others .. you ever play wow Baikal .. if so you shows how much you know..
Not really wows a good game , but that the argument your using. And its wrong.
Perhaps you missed the smiley to indicate that I was joking, I'm sorry it was over your head.
I've seen many Matraque posts on the VG forums, and spent some time there myself, and without a doubt he's one of the more reasonable guys over there. I'd think he'd realize I was joking.
Step back, take a pill, have a drink, do something to relax. It kinda just proves the point that a few of us make about the fairly high "moron factor", that people seem to exhibit when they come to post here. Even normally reasonable people exhibit it...
Actually I wouldn't have been joking, anyone stupid enough to pay for Vantard after what everyone knew from beta gets a minus to credibilityOf all that is written, I love only what a person has written with his own blood. -Nietzsche
Seems fairly even to me, just so happens WAR is on top right now.
It's great that there are two eagerly anticipated popular games on the horizon.
Of all that is written, I love only what a person has written with his own blood. -Nietzsche
The fact that you are playing VG right now kind of diminishes your view on things! Thanks for adding your opinion to the debate, even if we question the value of it...Vanguard...ewwwww.
Hmmm... VG is an ok game.eqnext.wikia.com
The fact that you are playing VG right now kind of diminishes your view on things! Thanks for adding your opinion to the debate, even if we question the value of it...Vanguard...ewwwww.
Oh come on becuase someone played one game ... they must not be able to rate others .. you ever play wow Baikal .. if so you shows how much you know..
Not really wows a good game , but that the argument your using. And its wrong.
Perhaps you missed the smiley to indicate that I was joking, I'm sorry it was over your head.
I've seen many Matraque posts on the VG forums, and spent some time there myself, and without a doubt he's one of the more reasonable guys over there. I'd think he'd realize I was joking.
Step back, take a pill, have a drink, do something to relax. It kinda just proves the point that a few of us make about the fairly high "moron factor", that people seem to exhibit when they come to post here. Even normally reasonable people exhibit it...
Actually I wouldn't have been joking, anyone stupid enough to pay for Vantard after what everyone knew from beta gets a minus to credibilityHmm... I played beta. Not sure what you mean. It's a good "in between" game, i still don't understand why everyone can't get that in their head.
Maybe if AoC had more info, eye candy, podcast (like WAR), i would change my vote
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The fact that you are playing VG right now kind of diminishes your view on things! Thanks for adding your opinion to the debate, even if we question the value of it...Vanguard...ewwwww.
Hmmm... VG is an ok game.
Hehe, I dont want it to devolve into that discussion here! I've always been a proponent of playing what you like, there are plenty of different tastes out there which is why it's a good thing to have multiple choices.
Personally, for me, I did not think the same thing about VG. Too many issues with the game itself, but on a serious note, from a design perspective I just believe that there are fundamental points that the VG team went in one direction, and the Funcom team went in another. That being said, I just see 'em as 2 very different kinds of games with different aims.
Either or, if ya like it, play it. There is no "better" MMO out there, it's just a matter of what YOU like better.
What? Have you even been to the official site/forums?
There are movies and screenies and assloads of vids/interviews... you just aren't paying attention...
Of all that is written, I love only what a person has written with his own blood. -Nietzsche
See you in Hyboria, WAR wenches.
O'rly.