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DX10 not that complicated? Vista only Shadowrun playable on XP

gpettgpett Member Posts: 1,105
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Here is the story at theInquirer.net



Guess it is pretty easy to get DX10 games to work on XP systems.









P.S. I'll not voice my displeasure that a richly back-storied and intricate role playing game like shadowrun was turned into a FPS and ignored all of that wonderful back-story.  Oops too late, I just did.

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  • TriumvirateTriumvirate Member Posts: 156
    This isn't really that shocking.  They aren't advertising these games as only working on Vista because the can't get them to work on XP, they are advertising them for Vista because they want to bring in more money.



    As far as the Shadowrun game goes, it's a travesty.  They have crushed any hopes I had of seeing an MMO or single-player RPG of Shadowrun done and instead replaced it a goblinized counter strike.
  • IbextoIbexto Member Posts: 277
    I agree, I've been waiting for Shadow run to be released for years in hopes that it would be they way I remembered it when I first played it way back in the late 80's.  Such a dissapointment.  Maybe at some point Microsoft might let the franchise go to someone who can actually make something out of it.

    Cheers.
  • PhoenixsPhoenixs Member Posts: 2,646
    I don't think it is a pure Direct X 10 game. It doesn't use anything of the fancy Direct X 10 effects. It looks like another Direct X 9 game. So it shouldn't be to hard to make it run on Xp, and this shows it isn't to hard
  • Keebs1984Keebs1984 Member Posts: 1,356
    Originally posted by Phoenixs

    I don't think it is a pure Direct X 10 game. It doesn't use anything of the fancy Direct X 10 effects. It looks like another Direct X 9 game. So it shouldn't be to hard to make it run on Xp, and this shows it isn't to hard
    It wasn't. It was just coded for Vista-only. Another Microsoft scheme to push its products onto current users. *sigh*

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  • GoldknyghtGoldknyght Member UncommonPosts: 1,519
    Originally posted by Keebs1984

    Originally posted by Phoenixs

    I don't think it is a pure Direct X 10 game. It doesn't use anything of the fancy Direct X 10 effects. It looks like another Direct X 9 game. So it shouldn't be to hard to make it run on Xp, and this shows it isn't to hard
    It wasn't. It was just coded for Vista-only. Another Microsoft scheme to push its products onto current users. *sigh*

    The first game i think to use the dx10 will be lost planet for the PC so all those offical games for window u are correct just another scheme by the big ol gates.

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  • Keebs1984Keebs1984 Member Posts: 1,356
    Originally posted by Goldknyght

    Originally posted by Keebs1984

    Originally posted by Phoenixs

    I don't think it is a pure Direct X 10 game. It doesn't use anything of the fancy Direct X 10 effects. It looks like another Direct X 9 game. So it shouldn't be to hard to make it run on Xp, and this shows it isn't to hard
    It wasn't. It was just coded for Vista-only. Another Microsoft scheme to push its products onto current users. *sigh*

    The first game i think to use the dx10 will be lost planet for the PC so all those offical games for window u are correct just another scheme by the big ol gates.

    Well thats not entirely true. Most games labelled Games for Windows will work with XP, in fact the only games I think are VIsta-only right now are Halo 2 and Shadowrun. But yes, it is a scheme my MS.

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  • WisebutCruelWisebutCruel Member Posts: 1,089
    Halo 2 has also been "adapted" (cracked) to run on XP as well.
  • n25phillyn25philly Member Posts: 1,317
    Originally posted by Keebs1984

    Originally posted by Phoenixs

    I don't think it is a pure Direct X 10 game. It doesn't use anything of the fancy Direct X 10 effects. It looks like another Direct X 9 game. So it shouldn't be to hard to make it run on Xp, and this shows it isn't to hard
    It wasn't. It was just coded for Vista-only. Another Microsoft scheme to push its products onto current users. *sigh* Can't have a single thread involving microsoft without everyone putting on their tin hats and trying to see how stupid they can sound.  It's Vista only because of it's use of games for windows live which is Vista only.  That's it, no trick to make people buy Vista.  Sorry to disappoint all the half wits.

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  • GoldknyghtGoldknyght Member UncommonPosts: 1,519
    Originally posted by Keebs1984



    Well thats not entirely true. Most games labelled Games for Windows will work with XP, in fact the only games I think are VIsta-only right now are Halo 2 and Shadowrun. But yes, it is a scheme my MS.
    The point is at the moment there is no true Games for Windows (meaning DX10 game) yet. Except for the upcoming Lost Planet for the PC which will use DX10 in which you can only get on Vista. Halo 2 was not designed for DX10 neither was shadow run so thats why your able to hack the drivers and make it playable on XP. But Im not sure about the programing so dont qoute me on this its just my thoughts on the matter. So im guessing someone will hack DX10 so u can put it on XP im sure though.

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  • Keebs1984Keebs1984 Member Posts: 1,356
    Originally posted by n25philly

    Originally posted by Keebs1984

    Originally posted by Phoenixs

    I don't think it is a pure Direct X 10 game. It doesn't use anything of the fancy Direct X 10 effects. It looks like another Direct X 9 game. So it shouldn't be to hard to make it run on Xp, and this shows it isn't to hard
    It wasn't. It was just coded for Vista-only. Another Microsoft scheme to push its products onto current users. *sigh*Can't have a single thread involving microsoft without everyone putting on their tin hats and trying to see how stupid they can sound.  It's Vista only because of it's use of games for windows live which is Vista only.  That's it, no trick to make people buy Vista.  Sorry to disappoint all the half wits.

    Perhaps you should read the entire conversation. Shadowrun was coded to run Windows Live, yes. But it was still coded to run ONLY on Vista. Windows Live does not have some magical unique-ness to it that requires Vista. From what I have read it sounds simple enough to even run off Windows 2000.

    It was a scam. Perhaps its time you take off your "I <3 MS" hat.

    Shadowrun was coded specifically for Vista. End of story.

     

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  • TriumvirateTriumvirate Member Posts: 156
    Originally posted by n25philly

    Originally posted by Keebs1984

    Originally posted by Phoenixs

    I don't think it is a pure Direct X 10 game. It doesn't use anything of the fancy Direct X 10 effects. It looks like another Direct X 9 game. So it shouldn't be to hard to make it run on Xp, and this shows it isn't to hard
    It wasn't. It was just coded for Vista-only. Another Microsoft scheme to push its products onto current users. *sigh* Can't have a single thread involving microsoft without everyone putting on their tin hats and trying to see how stupid they can sound.  It's Vista only because of it's use of games for windows live which is Vista only.  That's it, no trick to make people buy Vista.  Sorry to disappoint all the half wits. I have no problems with Microsoft at all, but to say that they couldn't put it on XP because of Windows Live is ridiculous.  They could easily have made Windows Live work for XP, they chose not to so they could attract more people to pick up Vista (which is fine and is just good business, but there is no tinfoil hat, conspiracy theories going on here, it's just common sense).
  • n25phillyn25philly Member Posts: 1,317
    Originally posted by Goldknyght

    Originally posted by Keebs1984



    Well thats not entirely true. Most games labelled Games for Windows will work with XP, in fact the only games I think are VIsta-only right now are Halo 2 and Shadowrun. But yes, it is a scheme my MS.
    The point is at the moment there is no true Games for Windows (meaning DX10 game) yet. Except for the upcoming Lost Planet for the PC which will use DX10 in which you can only get on Vista. Halo 2 was not designed for DX10 neither was shadow run so thats why your able to hack the drivers and make it playable on XP. But Im not sure about the programing so dont qoute me on this its just my thoughts on the matter. So im guessing someone will hack DX10 so u can put it on XP im sure though. DX10 is not part of Games for Windows

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  • n25phillyn25philly Member Posts: 1,317
    Originally posted by Keebs1984

    Originally posted by n25philly

    Originally posted by Keebs1984

    Originally posted by Phoenixs

    I don't think it is a pure Direct X 10 game. It doesn't use anything of the fancy Direct X 10 effects. It looks like another Direct X 9 game. So it shouldn't be to hard to make it run on Xp, and this shows it isn't to hard
    It wasn't. It was just coded for Vista-only. Another Microsoft scheme to push its products onto current users. *sigh*Can't have a single thread involving microsoft without everyone putting on their tin hats and trying to see how stupid they can sound.  It's Vista only because of it's use of games for windows live which is Vista only.  That's it, no trick to make people buy Vista.  Sorry to disappoint all the half wits.

    Perhaps you should read the entire conversation. Shadowrun was coded to run Windows Live, yes. But it was still coded to run ONLY on Vista. Windows Live does not have some magical unique-ness to it that requires Vista. From what I have read it sounds simple enough to even run off Windows 2000.

    It was a scam. Perhaps its time you take off your "I <3 MS" hat.

    Shadowrun was coded specifically for Vista. End of story.

     

    perhaps you should try reading.  Games for Windows live is Vista only.  Shadowrun was coded for Vista only because of it's use of Games for Windows live.  See, it's that simple.  Time for you to stop being a biased fanboy and making up crap just so you can be too cool for Microsoft.  Just because you're pissed off that they didn't make it for XP too (which won't even be sold anymore in 6 months) doesn't make it a scam.

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  • TriumvirateTriumvirate Member Posts: 156
     Time for you to stop being a biased fanboy

    I laughed.
  • GoldknyghtGoldknyght Member UncommonPosts: 1,519
    Originally posted by n25philly

    Originally posted by Goldknyght

    Originally posted by Keebs1984



    Well thats not entirely true. Most games labelled Games for Windows will work with XP, in fact the only games I think are VIsta-only right now are Halo 2 and Shadowrun. But yes, it is a scheme my MS.
    The point is at the moment there is no true Games for Windows (meaning DX10 game) yet. Except for the upcoming Lost Planet for the PC which will use DX10 in which you can only get on Vista. Halo 2 was not designed for DX10 neither was shadow run so thats why your able to hack the drivers and make it playable on XP. But Im not sure about the programing so dont qoute me on this its just my thoughts on the matter. So im guessing someone will hack DX10 so u can put it on XP im sure though.DX10 is not part of Games for Windows

    but its the base directx for the logo. Yes GFW deals with Windows live but the upcoming GFW that have DX10 coding won't be able to play on XP. hence DX10 is part of GFW.

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  • n25phillyn25philly Member Posts: 1,317
    Originally posted by Goldknyght

    Originally posted by n25philly

    Originally posted by Goldknyght

    Originally posted by Keebs1984



    Well thats not entirely true. Most games labelled Games for Windows will work with XP, in fact the only games I think are VIsta-only right now are Halo 2 and Shadowrun. But yes, it is a scheme my MS.
    The point is at the moment there is no true Games for Windows (meaning DX10 game) yet. Except for the upcoming Lost Planet for the PC which will use DX10 in which you can only get on Vista. Halo 2 was not designed for DX10 neither was shadow run so thats why your able to hack the drivers and make it playable on XP. But Im not sure about the programing so dont qoute me on this its just my thoughts on the matter. So im guessing someone will hack DX10 so u can put it on XP im sure though.DX10 is not part of Games for Windows

    but its the base directx for the logo. Yes GFW deals with Windows live but the upcoming GFW that have DX10 coding won't be able to play on XP. hence DX10 is part of GFW. My god you are all going to give me a migraine!!!  Where do you come up with this stuff?



    1) Games for Windows is a marketing program.  It's to standardize PC gaming.  If a game meets the standards such as as having an easy installer and widescreen support then the company is allowed to put Games for Windows on their game box.  DX10 is not one of the requirements for Games for Windows.  In fact no in game content is in the requirements for games for windows.

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  • methane47methane47 Member UncommonPosts: 3,694

     

     

    Originally posted by Keebs1984
    Perhaps you should read the entire conversation. Shadowrun was coded to run Windows Live, yes. But it was still coded to run ONLY on Vista. Windows Live does not have some magical unique-ness to it that requires Vista. From what I have read it sounds simple enough to even run off Windows 2000.
    It was a scam. Perhaps its time you take off your "I <3 MS" hat.
    Shadowrun was coded specifically for Vista. End of story.

    I dont think so.. ... The runfile was coded so that it would only startup on the Vista Operating system... all that was taking place was a simple OS check on start... kind of like the following

     

     

     

    if(OS-name = "Vista") exec("Shadowrun.exe")



    else exec(blueScreenOfDeath_lol_XP.exe)

     

    ShadowRun the game, on the other hand obviously wasn't coded for DX10 only Vista.. Because if it was then it would not work at all on DX 9 XP... simple.. the function calls and gfx libraries just aren't the same and the game just wouldn't work..

    This was just another one of Good ole Microsoft's tricks.. Nice one bill... They should at least tried to "trojan-horse" Vista with something else.. instead of ShadowRun..

     

     

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    Oddly enough, if Halo 2 has been cracked to work with XP, there's a chance I'd buy it. I don't plan on buying Vista anytime soon, if ever.

  • Agent_X7Agent_X7 Staff WriterMember, Newbie CommonPosts: 515

    Originally posted by Goldknyght

    Originally posted by n25philly

    Originally posted by Goldknyght

    Originally posted by Keebs1984



    Well thats not entirely true. Most games labelled Games for Windows will work with XP, in fact the only games I think are VIsta-only right now are Halo 2 and Shadowrun. But yes, it is a scheme my MS.
    The point is at the moment there is no true Games for Windows (meaning DX10 game) yet. Except for the upcoming Lost Planet for the PC which will use DX10 in which you can only get on Vista. Halo 2 was not designed for DX10 neither was shadow run so thats why your able to hack the drivers and make it playable on XP. But Im not sure about the programing so dont qoute me on this its just my thoughts on the matter. So im guessing someone will hack DX10 so u can put it on XP im sure though.DX10 is not part of Games for Windows

    but its the base directx for the logo. Yes GFW deals with Windows live but the upcoming GFW that have DX10 coding won't be able to play on XP. hence DX10 is part of GFW. Lost Planet is DX9 or DX10, you can play on either Xp or Vista. Ditto for Call of Juarez, also for Company of Heroes. (Latest patch added DX10 functionality.) Those are the only games I know of that are out that use DX10.

    Shadowrun is entirely DX9, as is Halo 2. And Games for Windows LIVE sucks. Thanks for charging PC gamers for things that they already get for free, and stripping out the added functionality that it has for Xbox. (Marketplace, Arcade) I'm enjoying my free 2 months. I won't be subscribing after that, though.

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  • GoldknyghtGoldknyght Member UncommonPosts: 1,519
    Originally posted by n25philly

    My god you are all going to give me a migraine!!!  Where do you come up with this stuff?



    1) Games for Windows is a marketing program.  It's to standardize PC gaming.  If a game meets the standards such as as having an easy installer and widescreen support then the company is allowed to put Games for Windows on their game box.  DX10 is not one of the requirements for Games for Windows.  In fact no in game content is in the requirements for games for windows.



    No your giving yourself a headache. GFW's shows its VISTA compatiblity so it my work with Windows Live. DX10 is not the base I KNOW. just was stating my opinion on GFW's and its DX10 compatibilty. And a requirement for GFW is VISTA hence the hack to work on xp.

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  • n25phillyn25philly Member Posts: 1,317

    Originally posted by Goldknyght

    Originally posted by n25philly

    My god you are all going to give me a migraine!!!  Where do you come up with this stuff?



    1) Games for Windows is a marketing program.  It's to standardize PC gaming.  If a game meets the standards such as as having an easy installer and widescreen support then the company is allowed to put Games for Windows on their game box.  DX10 is not one of the requirements for Games for Windows.  In fact no in game content is in the requirements for games for windows.



    No your giving yourself a headache. GFW's shows its VISTA compatiblity so it my work with Windows Live. DX10 is not the base I KNOW. just was stating my opinion on GFW's and its DX10 compatibilty. And a requirement for GFW is VISTA hence the hack to work on xp.

    Games for Windows live is Vista only

    Games for Windows applies to any version of windows.

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  • n25phillyn25philly Member Posts: 1,317
    Originally posted by Agent_X7


     
    Originally posted by Goldknyght

    Originally posted by n25philly

    Originally posted by Goldknyght

    Originally posted by Keebs1984



    Well thats not entirely true. Most games labelled Games for Windows will work with XP, in fact the only games I think are VIsta-only right now are Halo 2 and Shadowrun. But yes, it is a scheme my MS.
    The point is at the moment there is no true Games for Windows (meaning DX10 game) yet. Except for the upcoming Lost Planet for the PC which will use DX10 in which you can only get on Vista. Halo 2 was not designed for DX10 neither was shadow run so thats why your able to hack the drivers and make it playable on XP. But Im not sure about the programing so dont qoute me on this its just my thoughts on the matter. So im guessing someone will hack DX10 so u can put it on XP im sure though.DX10 is not part of Games for Windows

    but its the base directx for the logo. Yes GFW deals with Windows live but the upcoming GFW that have DX10 coding won't be able to play on XP. hence DX10 is part of GFW. Lost Planet is DX9 or DX10, you can play on either Xp or Vista. Ditto for Call of Juarez, also for Company of Heroes. (Latest patch added DX10 functionality.) Those are the only games I know of that are out that use DX10.

     

    Shadowrun is entirely DX9, as is Halo 2. And Games for Windows LIVE sucks. Thanks for charging PC gamers for things that they already get for free, and stripping out the added functionality that it has for Xbox. (Marketplace, Arcade) I'm enjoying my free 2 months. I won't be subscribing after that, though.

    PC to PC play is free just like it always was.  You only have to play for cross platform play.  They aren't charging for any functionality that was already there.  I could be wrong about this, but I kind of remember reading that all the extras like marketplace, videos, etc. and planned for GFW live, just not implemented yet. (they weren't in X-box live from day one either.

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