I don't get this mentality - the 'worry' mentality expressed above and elsewhere. Do you think SoE secretly contracted to take over the show or something? I mean if you hate SoE for what they have done then I can understand - but stating the reason is that you worry they will medle things up when the originators of the idea have said that isn't the case makes little sense to me. I mean you try it and if it is not what you like then what is the big deal - and if you like it who cares whether it was SoE or FLS that made what you hate? I suppose what you are trying to express is that you are afraid you will love it but that over time SoE will secretly influence things for the worse. perhaps, but that can happen in any game - any game can develop in a direction you hate so that seems a non issue in terms of who the publisher is.
Like I said, boycott SoE if you want - but the worry part of it makes no sense. I agree on boycotting games they develop becuyase I hate the way they build and manage games. But a game they publish is built an managed without them so is worth trying as I see it. If you still feel uneasy about SoE then do what I did with VG - give them a short leash and if things aren't as you think they should be then leave (as I did with VG before renewing). All I am saying is that for all you know FLS or any development house could make a bad game, or make bad changes after launch - the fact that SoE is publishing doesn't affect this.
i fully agree with what your saying but i still think you are missing the point im trying to make...you say ''the fact that SoE is publishing doesn't affect this'' how can we all be sure that this is all they have....thats all that FLS has told us...should we believe them?? where is the hard evidence that this is all they have there hands on? so i keep saying till i see the day that the contract is slapped in my face for full proof......
i fully agree with what your saying but i still think you are missing the point im trying to make...you say ''the fact that SoE is publishing doesn't affect this'' how can we all be sure that this is all they have....thats all that FLS has told us...should we believe them?? where is the hard evidence that this is all they have there hands on? so i keep saying till i see the day that the contract is slapped in my face for full proof......
When was the last time a company actually published a contract for public viewing? Not going to happen. You'll just have to settle for "wait and see," and until we ship you can believe us or not as you like. Of course it's not like we've lied to you in the past. We've been WRONG before, that's for sure, like when we thought we'd ship in 2005 ! Ah that ship date, I remember it fondly. But I think you'll have a hard time finding any instance where we've out and out lied. We're much more likely to just say nothing until we have a real answer to give you than just make crap up. And having learned that lesson about ship dates we're being cautious this time around.
But we're not going to publish our contracts for your personal edification. Sorry.
In adding to what Rick said how do you know Age Of Conan isn't secretly made by SoE? Sounds ridiculous but really no more than what you say. FLS has spent years developing PotBS and SoE just became part of the picture, for publishing, as is not at all uncommon in the industry. Example: EA Games and Crysis. I hate EA, I would never buy an EA made game as they just push out garbage to meet deadlines and to fill market niches. But I know Crysis was made by CryTek and that EA is just publishing so I won't have a second thought about buying the game as I know the economics of the industry dictates that the FLSs and CryTek's of the world need the EA and SoE's of the world to get their product into the distribution channels.
Business, especially the publication business, is full of necessary evils. I recall in some 'making of' or 'history of' or some other 'something of' Star Wars Lucas was telling his story as he loves to do and in an unusual bit of self realization he noted something very profound. A big part of making and getting Star Wars in theaters was a struggle for him, a struggle against the establishment and the movie industry's version of publishers, the studios and their monopoly on distribution channels. After SW IVs success he had the power to bypass that system and in the second trio of movies where made and distributed exclusively by Lucas. He noted that while this was the 'dream' he had as a young filmmaker that the irony of things was that in order to realize that dream he had to become the very monolith he detested. Again, necessary evils.
i fully agree with what your saying but i still think you are missing the point im trying to make...you say ''the fact that SoE is publishing doesn't affect this'' how can we all be sure that this is all they have....thats all that FLS has told us...should we believe them?? where is the hard evidence that this is all they have there hands on? so i keep saying till i see the day that the contract is slapped in my face for full proof......
When was the last time a company actually published a contract for public viewing? Not going to happen. You'll just have to settle for "wait and see," and until we ship you can believe us or not as you like. Of course it's not like we've lied to you in the past. We've been WRONG before, that's for sure, like when we thought we'd ship in 2005 ! Ah that ship date, I remember it fondly. But I think you'll have a hard time finding any instance where we've out and out lied. We're much more likely to just say nothing until we have a real answer to give you than just make crap up. And having learned that lesson about ship dates we're being cautious this time around.
But we're not going to publish our contracts for your personal edification. Sorry.
Rick Saada - FLS Dev & EPFBM
Can we get some info though on the release/ship date? is it still looking like a ship of this fall or are the rumors of 2008 more true than not? I think most would be happy if "this fall" was clarified or reinforced.
This fall, or more generally this year is the stated plan - I would imagine they will not clarify further until a specific date is set but at the same time a slip is possibly as closed BETA is underway.
This fall, or more generally this year is the stated plan - I would imagine they will not clarify further until a specific date is set but at the same time a slip is possibly as closed BETA is underway.
Well it looks like, by the many posts of people asking questions about the beta DL/install, that there are ton of people, probably the rest of the 10k they talked about, getting the invites. So figure Mid to late Sept for open beta at the earliest. Then maybe late Oct/Early Nov for release. At least this is how I see it going.
SOE won't have much say in the game untill after its released. Typicaly thats when SOE ruins it. They try to alter it to appeal to EVERYONE and end up taking away what the people liked about it in the first place. SOE and EA(who now owns Mythic) are in it for 1 reason, "To increase shareholders value in a dynamic and fast growing industry" When your doing something "Just for the Money" you usualy end up losing the passion it takes to make a game a REAL great game. I hope that they make a liar out of me with this game, because Pirates of the Burning Sea, and Age of Conan are the 2 games I'm very interested in. I think this game will be refreshing reguardless of Snot, just because its new and exciiting.
does there honestly need to be a sticky for every game that soe touches somehow?
if there does, that right there REALLY says something about soe.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
SOE won't have much say in the game untill after its released. Typicaly thats when SOE ruins it. They try to alter it to appeal to EVERYONE and end up taking away what the people liked about it in the first place.
If anything Sony will have *less* to say about the game after we ship. After all, since they're doing our marketing and distribution there's a lot to do at this point. Once the game is out the Sony responsibilities will shrink down to handling billing. They do not now have any say in design, development, or future direction on the game, and there is nothing in any contract that gives them this in the future. They do not own us, but have merely contracted with us to provide services. Nor is there any clause or contract that gives them the right to buy, own, invest in, or otherwise control us in the future.
SOE won't have much say in the game untill after its released. Typicaly thats when SOE ruins it. They try to alter it to appeal to EVERYONE and end up taking away what the people liked about it in the first place.
If anything Sony will have *less* to say about the game after we ship. After all, since they're doing our marketing and distribution there's a lot to do at this point. Once the game is out the Sony responsibilities will shrink down to handling billing. They do not now have any say in design, development, or future direction on the game, and there is nothing in any contract that gives them this in the future. They do not own us, but have merely contracted with us to provide services. Nor is there any clause or contract that gives them the right to buy, own, invest in, or otherwise control us in the future.
Rick Saada - FLS Dev & EPFBM
Hmmm, you conveniently forgot to mention thier evil mind control powers, hmmm.
*I* get home every night. He's the one who is stuck travelling all the time. Gencon, then Leipzig at the moment, and Austin Game Conference in a week. If you haven't been getting enough news it's because he's trapped on airplanes, or in foreign countries without luggage (no joke, the airlines lost their bags enroute to Germany).
It's been a day of waiting for long builds for me, so I figured I might as well be useful to all of you!
Hmmm, you conveniently forgot to mention thier evil mind control powers, hmmm.
J/K of course.
I have to consider the source, here. AGENT SMITH is saying this! Jeez.
But don't worry, we issued tin-foil hats to all employees before we even *thought* about negotiating with them
You fools! Those tin foil hats only conduct and concentrate the Evil lord Smedleys force lightning powers! I can see Rick now squirming as he lies on the floor of Smeds throne room at Austin screaming in pain. Smed firing his force lightning burning Ricks body as he proclaims "You shall sell your game to me and become one with the darkside!". Rick screams out "Father help me, PLEASE!!!!!!!". Then Brad Mcquaid leaps out holding his Vanguard epic double axe and shouts "Smedley your evil must stop NOW!". Smed grimmaces turns away from Rick and glares at Brad "What is this? How dare you challenge me you pathetic cancerous pollip upon the anus of humanity?". Brad then squeaks in a mousey voice "Errrmmmm, it's George Lucas he's on the telephone I was told to inform you .... your highness .....". Smed shouts "and what is the purpose of that axe?". Brad shrugs his shoulders and says "Well it seemed to me I was the only person that didn't get the axe at Sigil so I felt left out and spent some of the profit from selling it to buy this on ebay, do you like it?". Smed storms past him walking to the office to take his call "Watch him you wretched dank tuft of recto-pubic hair, this one is not as weak minded as you and will take alot more effort to break. If he escapes while I'm gone you'll be punished Mcquaid!". Brad shakes in terror and whimpers "What you mean? No not again, he won't escape trust me!". Smed sneers at Brad "Yes you'll be forced to level up another character in Vanguard, hmmm that's an idea maybe he'll convince FLS to sell out if I force him to play Vanguard! I'll make decision when I get back!".
Remember Rick leave those tin foil hats behind when visiting Austin, there is no negotiating with the evil lord Smed his code is "Crush the gameplay, see your subscribers driven before you and to hear the lamentation of the DEVs!".
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
Sigil said the exact same thing.. SoE has nothing to do with the development, but right after launch, they stated that SoE devs were helping them out..
Sigil said the exact same thing.. SoE has nothing to do with the development, but right after launch, they stated that SoE devs were helping them out..
You have to admit, sigil was a different case. So far, I dont see potbs taking too long and using too much money. But if they get in trouble, and the game has "potential" I am sure soe would be there to pick it up, which would be good for the gamers who would like it. The handful of players that play vg must be grateful to soe, or else sigil might have went belly up with vg and just cancelled/ close servers.
i fully agree with what your saying but i still think you are missing the point im trying to make...you say ''the fact that SoE is publishing doesn't affect this'' how can we all be sure that this is all they have....thats all that FLS has told us...should we believe them?? where is the hard evidence that this is all they have there hands on? so i keep saying till i see the day that the contract is slapped in my face for full proof......
When was the last time a company actually published a contract for public viewing? Not going to happen. You'll just have to settle for "wait and see," and until we ship you can believe us or not as you like. Of course it's not like we've lied to you in the past. We've been WRONG before, that's for sure, like when we thought we'd ship in 2005 ! Ah that ship date, I remember it fondly. But I think you'll have a hard time finding any instance where we've out and out lied. We're much more likely to just say nothing until we have a real answer to give you than just make crap up. And having learned that lesson about ship dates we're being cautious this time around.
But we're not going to publish our contracts for your personal edification. Sorry.
Rick Saada - FLS Dev & EPFBM
well you know where you can place that personal edification of yours.....
no other company has every published their contracts which i could have told you.....im just making a valid point that a bunch of words on a website doesnt make the whole truth of SoE's control over the game.....i guess ill just have to wait and see what happens in the future....but if it does turn out in the future that SoE takes over or has power to influence to change things in the game i am so gunna be the first person to take great pride in making a post saying '' I TOLD YOU SO''
Ugh SOE nooooo ! This is like the end of planet of the apes with a big SOE logo in the sand instead of the staue of liberty.
Given SOE talent for picking up crappy to mediocre MMO's and placing them on station pass this doesnt reflect well on POTBS. In fact for me who is interested in other games over POTBS this is one more reason to ignore and not to buy.
The POTBS dev's have made a poor choice. Any other company would have been better than SOE, hitler or himmler might have more credentials than SOE (jk). As for the retaining of development with the makers well look at VG. I wonder if POTBS is in financial trouble. SOE loves looking though the terminal ward for sick MMO's for some bargins.
Maybe I'm wrong maybe POTBS will be SOE flagship MMO.. oooh.. nice pun.
Though I wonder which company is worse EA ( cough cough battlefeild 2142) OR SOE with its crapotastic range of low to medium subscrition games bought for pittence.
Ugh SOE nooooo ! This is like the end of planet of the apes with a big SOE logo in the sand instead of the staue of liberty.
Given SOE talent for picking up crappy to mediocre MMO's and placing them on station pass this doesnt reflect well on POTBS. In fact for me who is interested in other games over POTBS this is one more reason to ignore and not to buy. The POTBS dev's have made a poor choice. Any other company would have been better than SOE, hitler or himmler might have more credentials than SOE (jk). As for the retaining of development with the makers well look at VG. I wonder if POTBS is in financial trouble. SOE loves looking though the terminal ward for sick MMO's for some bargins. Maybe I'm wrong maybe POTBS will be SOE flagship MMO.. oooh.. nice pun. Though I wonder which company is worse EA ( cough cough battlefeild 2142) OR SOE with its crapotastic range of low to medium subscrition games bought for pittence.
I see one thing here and that is you don't /do not like SOE. Then i would recommend that you to learn how to use spell check before you start bashing a company that could very easily buy out your stocks in a second. I wonder which of the two are worried about buying there wife a new Porch for her Birthday you or SOE. I know for a FACT you or I will never reach the stature of what SOE has accomplished in it's time. There are Billions that think SOE is A:O:K. in there books. It is very easy to set at a computer and Bash i should know because i do it myself as most everyone does at one point or another. We all use WC/Toilet paper some is soft some is not most of us us it.
Ugh SOE nooooo ! This is like the end of planet of the apes with a big SOE logo in the sand instead of the staue of liberty.
Given SOE talent for picking up crappy to mediocre MMO's and placing them on station pass this doesnt reflect well on POTBS. In fact for me who is interested in other games over POTBS this is one more reason to ignore and not to buy. The POTBS dev's have made a poor choice. Any other company would have been better than SOE, hitler or himmler might have more credentials than SOE (jk). As for the retaining of development with the makers well look at VG. I wonder if POTBS is in financial trouble. SOE loves looking though the terminal ward for sick MMO's for some bargins. Maybe I'm wrong maybe POTBS will be SOE flagship MMO.. oooh.. nice pun. Though I wonder which company is worse EA ( cough cough battlefeild 2142) OR SOE with its crapotastic range of low to medium subscrition games bought for pittence.
I see one thing here and that is you don't /do not like SOE. Then i would recommend that you to learn how to use spell check before you start bashing a company that could very easily buy out your stocks in a second. I wonder which of the two are worried about buying there wife a new Porch for her Birthday you or SOE. I know for a FACT you or I will never reach the stature of what SOE has accomplished in it's time. There are Billions that think SOE is A:O:K. in there books. It is very easy to set at a computer and Bash i should know because i do it myself as most everyone does at one point or another. We all use WC/Toilet paper some is soft some is not most of us us it.
Take your own advice. Its spelled "Porsche" and "don't" and "do not" are the same thing not sure why you put the '"/" in there. Grammar check works as well as spell check. As for the rest of your argument that somehow affording a porsche reflects your inherent worth as a human being or a corporation, all I can say is get a clue that assumption is as weak as saying "because lots of people like it it must be good".
Way too many posts on this thread to read and catch up. I did see some of Rick's posts and got a laugh. All I can say is that the game should be viewed on its merrit alone. People need to let go of the whole SWG thing. I did quite some time ago. Being mad at SOE for the SWG thing is like not seeing another M. Night Shyamalan movie because there wasn't a twist ending to The Village. Giving people, and companies, only one chance is not good. Everyone deserves a second chance.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
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i fully agree with what your saying but i still think you are missing the point im trying to make...you say ''the fact that SoE is publishing doesn't affect this'' how can we all be sure that this is all they have....thats all that FLS has told us...should we believe them?? where is the hard evidence that this is all they have there hands on? so i keep saying till i see the day that the contract is slapped in my face for full proof......
But we're not going to publish our contracts for your personal edification. Sorry.
Rick Saada - FLS Dev & EPFBM
Rick Saada - FLS Dev & EPFBM
In adding to what Rick said how do you know Age Of Conan isn't secretly made by SoE? Sounds ridiculous but really no more than what you say. FLS has spent years developing PotBS and SoE just became part of the picture, for publishing, as is not at all uncommon in the industry. Example: EA Games and Crysis. I hate EA, I would never buy an EA made game as they just push out garbage to meet deadlines and to fill market niches. But I know Crysis was made by CryTek and that EA is just publishing so I won't have a second thought about buying the game as I know the economics of the industry dictates that the FLSs and CryTek's of the world need the EA and SoE's of the world to get their product into the distribution channels.
Business, especially the publication business, is full of necessary evils. I recall in some 'making of' or 'history of' or some other 'something of' Star Wars Lucas was telling his story as he loves to do and in an unusual bit of self realization he noted something very profound. A big part of making and getting Star Wars in theaters was a struggle for him, a struggle against the establishment and the movie industry's version of publishers, the studios and their monopoly on distribution channels. After SW IVs success he had the power to bypass that system and in the second trio of movies where made and distributed exclusively by Lucas. He noted that while this was the 'dream' he had as a young filmmaker that the irony of things was that in order to realize that dream he had to become the very monolith he detested. Again, necessary evils.
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But we're not going to publish our contracts for your personal edification. Sorry.
Rick Saada - FLS Dev & EPFBM
Can we get some info though on the release/ship date? is it still looking like a ship of this fall or are the rumors of 2008 more true than not? I think most would be happy if "this fall" was clarified or reinforced.
This fall, or more generally this year is the stated plan - I would imagine they will not clarify further until a specific date is set but at the same time a slip is possibly as closed BETA is underway.
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Well it looks like, by the many posts of people asking questions about the beta DL/install, that there are ton of people, probably the rest of the 10k they talked about, getting the invites. So figure Mid to late Sept for open beta at the earliest. Then maybe late Oct/Early Nov for release. At least this is how I see it going.
SOE won't have much say in the game untill after its released. Typicaly thats when SOE ruins it. They try to alter it to appeal to EVERYONE and end up taking away what the people liked about it in the first place. SOE and EA(who now owns Mythic) are in it for 1 reason, "To increase shareholders value in a dynamic and fast growing industry" When your doing something "Just for the Money" you usualy end up losing the passion it takes to make a game a REAL great game. I hope that they make a liar out of me with this game, because Pirates of the Burning Sea, and Age of Conan are the 2 games I'm very interested in. I think this game will be refreshing reguardless of Snot, just because its new and exciiting.
does there honestly need to be a sticky for every game that soe touches somehow?
if there does, that right there REALLY says something about soe.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
Rick Saada - FLS Dev & EPFBM
Rick Saada - FLS Dev & EPFBM
Rick Saada - FLS Dev & EPFBM
Hmmm, you conveniently forgot to mention thier evil mind control powers, hmmm.
J/K of course.
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But don't worry, we issued tin-foil hats to all employees before we even *thought* about negotiating with them
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Does Rusty ever let you go home Rick.
MAGA
They are waiting for SOE to tell them when to ship, or, when the game is done......
It's been a day of waiting for long builds for me, so I figured I might as well be useful to all of you!
Rick Saada - FLS Dev & EPFBM
Make sure to check those fillings as well. :-)
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But don't worry, we issued tin-foil hats to all employees before we even *thought* about negotiating with them
You fools! Those tin foil hats only conduct and concentrate the Evil lord Smedleys force lightning powers! I can see Rick now squirming as he lies on the floor of Smeds throne room at Austin screaming in pain. Smed firing his force lightning burning Ricks body as he proclaims "You shall sell your game to me and become one with the darkside!". Rick screams out "Father help me, PLEASE!!!!!!!". Then Brad Mcquaid leaps out holding his Vanguard epic double axe and shouts "Smedley your evil must stop NOW!". Smed grimmaces turns away from Rick and glares at Brad "What is this? How dare you challenge me you pathetic cancerous pollip upon the anus of humanity?". Brad then squeaks in a mousey voice "Errrmmmm, it's George Lucas he's on the telephone I was told to inform you .... your highness .....". Smed shouts "and what is the purpose of that axe?". Brad shrugs his shoulders and says "Well it seemed to me I was the only person that didn't get the axe at Sigil so I felt left out and spent some of the profit from selling it to buy this on ebay, do you like it?". Smed storms past him walking to the office to take his call "Watch him you wretched dank tuft of recto-pubic hair, this one is not as weak minded as you and will take alot more effort to break. If he escapes while I'm gone you'll be punished Mcquaid!". Brad shakes in terror and whimpers "What you mean? No not again, he won't escape trust me!". Smed sneers at Brad "Yes you'll be forced to level up another character in Vanguard, hmmm that's an idea maybe he'll convince FLS to sell out if I force him to play Vanguard! I'll make decision when I get back!".
Remember Rick leave those tin foil hats behind when visiting Austin, there is no negotiating with the evil lord Smed his code is "Crush the gameplay, see your subscribers driven before you and to hear the lamentation of the DEVs!".
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
You have to admit, sigil was a different case. So far, I dont see potbs taking too long and using too much money. But if they get in trouble, and the game has "potential" I am sure soe would be there to pick it up, which would be good for the gamers who would like it. The handful of players that play vg must be grateful to soe, or else sigil might have went belly up with vg and just cancelled/ close servers.
But we're not going to publish our contracts for your personal edification. Sorry.
Rick Saada - FLS Dev & EPFBM
well you know where you can place that personal edification of yours.....no other company has every published their contracts which i could have told you.....im just making a valid point that a bunch of words on a website doesnt make the whole truth of SoE's control over the game.....i guess ill just have to wait and see what happens in the future....but if it does turn out in the future that SoE takes over or has power to influence to change things in the game i am so gunna be the first person to take great pride in making a post saying '' I TOLD YOU SO''
Good luck.
Ugh SOE nooooo ! This is like the end of planet of the apes with a big SOE logo in the sand instead of the staue of liberty.
Given SOE talent for picking up crappy to mediocre MMO's and placing them on station pass this doesnt reflect well on POTBS. In fact for me who is interested in other games over POTBS this is one more reason to ignore and not to buy.
The POTBS dev's have made a poor choice. Any other company would have been better than SOE, hitler or himmler might have more credentials than SOE (jk). As for the retaining of development with the makers well look at VG. I wonder if POTBS is in financial trouble. SOE loves looking though the terminal ward for sick MMO's for some bargins.
Maybe I'm wrong maybe POTBS will be SOE flagship MMO.. oooh.. nice pun.
Though I wonder which company is worse EA ( cough cough battlefeild 2142) OR SOE with its crapotastic range of low to medium subscrition games bought for pittence.
I see one thing here and that is you don't /do not like SOE. Then i would recommend that you to learn how to use spell check before you start bashing a company that could very easily buy out your stocks in a second. I wonder which of the two are worried about buying there wife a new Porch for her Birthday you or SOE. I know for a FACT you or I will never reach the stature of what SOE has accomplished in it's time. There are Billions that think SOE is A:O:K. in there books. It is very easy to set at a computer and Bash i should know because i do it myself as most everyone does at one point or another. We all use WC/Toilet paper some is soft some is not most of us us it.
I see one thing here and that is you don't /do not like SOE. Then i would recommend that you to learn how to use spell check before you start bashing a company that could very easily buy out your stocks in a second. I wonder which of the two are worried about buying there wife a new Porch for her Birthday you or SOE. I know for a FACT you or I will never reach the stature of what SOE has accomplished in it's time. There are Billions that think SOE is A:O:K. in there books. It is very easy to set at a computer and Bash i should know because i do it myself as most everyone does at one point or another. We all use WC/Toilet paper some is soft some is not most of us us it.
Take your own advice. Its spelled "Porsche" and "don't" and "do not" are the same thing not sure why you put the '"/" in there. Grammar check works as well as spell check. As for the rest of your argument that somehow affording a porsche reflects your inherent worth as a human being or a corporation, all I can say is get a clue that assumption is as weak as saying "because lots of people like it it must be good".
People take video games too seriously.
Way too many posts on this thread to read and catch up. I did see some of Rick's posts and got a laugh. All I can say is that the game should be viewed on its merrit alone. People need to let go of the whole SWG thing. I did quite some time ago. Being mad at SOE for the SWG thing is like not seeing another M. Night Shyamalan movie because there wasn't a twist ending to The Village. Giving people, and companies, only one chance is not good. Everyone deserves a second chance.
John Smedley doesn't take them seriously enough!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis