He said he was able to solo well...did he play any of his characters past 20-25? That's where it stopped dead for me. Has something changed or did he not try to solo anything beyond level 25.
Says went to lvl 30. I got stuck in the 20s too, but what I ended up doing was going to a different continent and picking up quests there that fit my level better. I'm a Cleric at 32 now.
Also the Adrid, Mace of Sorrows quest is very fun. I'm working on the CiS quest now, it has an even better mace, and has been fairly challenging.
I think the aspect is specifically depending on what kind of game your looking for. Despite the bugs (mostly stability issues) and incomplete quests it has been fun for me. The recent patch introduced a new crash that has been ticking me off, but the prior patch was smooth, it had been a long time since I had an issue. They have optimization issues still, but there is so much content already. I mean I've played to 32 and can still find things to do that are interesting. I'm not a big PVP guy so I have no idea how that even works or goes, so someone else will have to speak to that. But for me, the PVE has been enjoyable.
i disagree with this review. Doesn't really sound like the reviewer played the game a lot. the reviewer only soloed, she didn't try the fun part of this game; the many dungeons. Those can only be done by grouping with other players and that is really what i like most about the game. I think it's a bad idea to make a review of a game without even have played all parts of the game.
I played this since beta, and yeah it was very buggy an laggy back then. But it really has improved a lot. it doesn't lag like it did back then. there is very few bugs now, and none of them are big bugs.
Personally I would have waited to review the game until SoE has at least been given a chance to show the direction they're taking the game. I mean, it's a couple weeks away right?
I agree. The review should have been delayed until Update 2 or the next patch.
YES. You can SOLO with EVERY class to the MAX level. It is more solo friendly than EQ 2.
Edit: To address what the person said above me, the game is so enormous that it is impossible to experience all of it. TONS of group, small group, and solo content. It is an explorer's paradise. The group dungeons are awesome. It is sort of like a small raid at times with a group of 6 people. You can take out named targets, high level dots, etc. It is great stuff....
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It is clear the ONLY way Vanguard players would ever accept a review would be if it was written with 100% positives. And they dare to call people trying to be informative "biased"
As from the start, Vanguards biggest problem.. is the players playing it. Worst advertising for a game and its community I have ever seen.
Try playing on the PvP server if you think the community is helpful and nice...
The PvP players will just kill you, over and over until you quit. You almost need to play a Cleric because they are the most overpowered class in the game.
This game was doomed to failure from the start, even if it did not have launch problems.
Shows that you better do your market survey's before you launch. Making hardcore MMO's is strictly a niche business, the vast majority of MMO players want nothing to do with them. Hence you better have something to attract the hardcore players. This game just goes to show that hardcore pve is a very limited market.
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From reading this the CONS outweigh the PROS. I agree with this Review. I will never play this game.
I'm a new player and i don't agree w/ this review.. so much is left out, like the fact that it has one of the deepest crafting systems in mmo's.. and honestly i've seen lots of people on multiple servers noob zones.. i think the article misrepresents the facts..
in reality, the last week of me playing, 'ive seen an influx of former wow players.. odd...
It ain't dead yet ma..
I started up several characters on several different servers. As stated in the review, servers like the RP or PVP server had up to 50 people in the popular starting areas (IE Tursh, with up to 50 northern humans/halfling newbies at peak time). The normal servers, from my general experience, had about 10 people in Tursh - 5 of which were afk or not chatting at all - and 1 or 2 people in less common starting areas.
As for crafting...the diplomacy and crafting systems are very subjective in VG, and I mainly focused my review on adventuring. I enjoy diplomacy but the higher end diplomacy isn't in the game yet; crafting has never been my thing, and continues to not be my thing in VG.
I don't think VG is dead, I just think it sorely needs the upcoming server merges, and its a bad sign that those are happening so soon.
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He said he was able to solo well...did he play any of his characters past 20-25? That's where it stopped dead for me. Has something changed or did he not try to solo anything beyond level 25.
SHE played a cleric to level 30, and is still soloing her way to 31 but then, clerics and paladins are some of the best solo classes in the game.
Laura "Taera" Genender Community Manager MMORPG.com
The review is pretty much the way it is in my opinion. I followed this game from back when it was just an idea and a FAQ on Sigil's web site and I think its very sad the way this game went with all the pontial it had.
"God, please help us sinful children of Ivalice.."
So the arguement for many is, "it's launch was awful, it must still be awful"...man be glad your mother didn't have that attitude, because all you did at YOUR launch was bitch, cry and crap yourself......hopefully you've stopped crapping yourself, even if you can't stop bitching.
Review seems on the level, though i think the problems with performance seem to be random, as far as whom they effect and to what extent. i've heard people with lwer systems run it fone, and people with really high-end rigs have nothing but problems. Granted, I've a high-end rig and no problems, and I expect ifI did, I would be bitching also.
The Server Merge will hopefully address the vast expanses of emptiness.
The RP server is ok, but I find it weird to roleplay a game where my faction is at war with the othe faction, but I cannot attack members of that faction due to arbitrary server rules that make no sense (another words, not even Team PvP). How can I roleplay a combatant at war if I cannot act my enemies like a combatant at war. Kills kills RP for me.
So why am I giving them my money with all though Cons, someone asked...simple. I see a vast amount of potential here, and I am willing to put my money were my mouth is, in the hopes that it will come to fruition. I'm having fun now, but playing on casual basis until if gets filled out the way it should. Honestly, my hopes are more pins on Darkfall now, but its not out yet, and this is. So if this becomes they game I wanna play full time by then, I'll keep at it, and if by that time, they still haven't delivered, well then I will be jumping ship and heading over to Darkfall.
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I think it was a pretty fair review, esp since the author played a class that can solo well. I had a Druid and once I hit around 20 the soloing vanished.... I could not reliably take down near-level, 3 dot mobs solo (w/o a hella lot of kiting) ...which is what I seemed to find myself surrounded by. I think it also frosted my chain that other classes were much better at soloing.....
I remember one time trying to kill a cleric..... I was like level 18...Cleric was 14...and despite my best efforts, I could not take her down before running out of mana....and had to run off.....
Maybe if I had rolled on a normal server (as PVP servers tend to limit your access to some content) and chosen a more solo friendly class my experience would have been more enjoyable. (despite all the crashes)
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He said he was able to solo well...did he play any of his characters past 20-25? That's where it stopped dead for me. Has something changed or did he not try to solo anything beyond level 25.
SHE played a cleric to level 30, and is still soloing her way to 31 but then, clerics and paladins are some of the best solo classes in the game.
I take it you're still playing?
Might I ask if you continue to play because you enjoy the game, or is it more business?
While I feel the the score was a little low, I can't say that I totally disagree.
I don't agree with the value score that was given. Especially if you're a Station Access subscriber. I also didn't really understand the part about hardcore raiding. I couldn't tell what was meant by the game not really having the capacity for hardcore raiding. Is this in reference to the lack of raiding, or do you feel that VG, even with raids in, would not be the kind of game that hardcore raiders would get into. The later I could understand, and would agree with.
I thought that it was kind of odd that they had a community manager write the review, but then I'm not really sure if that's normal around here or not. I don't usually pay attention to who's writing what, but I was currious wich poor sole got to write this one.
He said he was able to solo well...did he play any of his characters past 20-25? That's where it stopped dead for me. Has something changed or did he not try to solo anything beyond level 25.
SHE played a cleric to level 30, and is still soloing her way to 31 but then, clerics and paladins are some of the best solo classes in the game.
I take it you're still playing?
Might I ask if you continue to play because you enjoy the game, or is it more business?
While I feel the the score was a little low, I can't say that I totally disagree.
I don't agree with the value score that was given. Especially if you're a Station Access subscriber. I also didn't really understand the part about hardcore raiding. I couldn't tell what was meant by the game not really having the capacity for hardcore raiding. Is this in reference to the lack of raiding, or do you feel that VG, even with raids in, would not be the kind of game that hardcore raiders would get into. The later I could understand, and would agree with.
I thought that it was kind of odd that they had a community manager write the review, but then I'm not really sure if that's normal around here or not. I don't usually pay attention to who's writing what, but I was currious wich poor sole got to write this one.
Until recently I've been playing for fun, about 10 hours a week maximum - but after level 30 my attention has dropped, and the people I met/was playing with moved on from the game. I am curious about Update 2, though, and will probably play more again when flying mounts are in for real.
As for hardcore raiding...players consume content much faster than devs produce it. This is true for most high end content, with PVP and commerce (for exaple) as exceptions, since these are player-generated content spaces. Raiding, high end hunting/instances, etc takes time to mature...look at EQ's origianl Naggy, Vox, and Phinny raids vs the hundreds of raid targets available in the game today.
Unfortunently, I feel that VG was even more handicapped than the normal game on release in terms of high end content; as another forum poster stated, content starts to drop off at 30 - this is true for high end diplomacy as well as adventuring. I really don't know whether VG will end up offering a good high end game, because they might surprise me, but it isn't there yet.
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He said he was able to solo well...did he play any of his characters past 20-25? That's where it stopped dead for me. Has something changed or did he not try to solo anything beyond level 25.
SHE played a cleric to level 30, and is still soloing her way to 31 but then, clerics and paladins are some of the best solo classes in the game.
I take it you're still playing?
Might I ask if you continue to play because you enjoy the game, or is it more business?
While I feel the the score was a little low, I can't say that I totally disagree.
I don't agree with the value score that was given. Especially if you're a Station Access subscriber. I also didn't really understand the part about hardcore raiding. I couldn't tell what was meant by the game not really having the capacity for hardcore raiding. Is this in reference to the lack of raiding, or do you feel that VG, even with raids in, would not be the kind of game that hardcore raiders would get into. The later I could understand, and would agree with.
I thought that it was kind of odd that they had a community manager write the review, but then I'm not really sure if that's normal around here or not. I don't usually pay attention to who's writing what, but I was currious wich poor sole got to write this one.
Until recently I've been playing for fun, about 10 hours a week maximum - but after level 30 my attention has dropped, and the people I met/was playing with moved on from the game. I am curious about Update 2, though, and will probably play more again when flying mounts are in for real.
As for hardcore raiding...players consume content much faster than devs produce it. This is true for most high end content, with PVP and commerce (for exaple) as exceptions, since these are player-generated content spaces. Raiding, high end hunting/instances, etc takes time to mature...look at EQ's origianl Naggy, Vox, and Phinny raids vs the hundreds of raid targets available in the game today.
Unfortunently, I feel that VG was even more handicapped than the normal game on release in terms of high end content; as another forum poster stated, content starts to drop off at 30 - this is true for high end diplomacy as well as adventuring. I really don't know whether VG will end up offering a good high end game, because they might surprise me, but it isn't there yet.
I quit Vanguard after a month of playing, only got to level 16 because of how bad the lag was and how terrible it was put back together. I went back to Vanguard 1 week ago in order to level up before server mergers and have leveled from 16 to 22 now and (the most supriseing to me) found a guild that had between 20-25 people on at a time. Some might not find that to be alot but it was definately above my expectation.
Secondly, in the 4-5 months I have been away from the game I upgraded my graphics card to a "decent" card, 180$ish. And I find that lag has decreased tremendiously (2 gigs ddr2 mem though). I still crash about once an hour or once every two hours but other than that I find it to be a very great game though working for the URT is like working for the mafia. I will admit that if there is no raiding content by the time I hit 50 I will be gone in a heart beat but with how great the game seems to be progressing I am definately optimistic. And the whole flying mounts thing, they were never going to make that open to everyone anyways so I do not understand why the Review would mention that as a downside when I would figure you should be level 50 with some raid content behind you before you are allowed to even sniff at flying mounts.
It sounds like the comments on the performance where based on early performance issues with all the updates and fixs mentioned only as a little *side note.
I do not think that gives an accurate view of the way performance has improved unless this review was written within the first month and just now gone public.
The review was also very vague...I suspect intentionaly so. No mention on harvesting or crafting at all. Very little was said about diplomacy...what was said was stated in the context of personal opinion vs. unbiased review.
The review could have actualy picked apart the graphics more...there are several graphical issues not mentioned. I think the score on graphics is accurate , but for different reasons.
This was NOT a very good review compared to 3-4 page reviews I've seen on other mmorpg's. For a world the size and complexity AND combined with the fact that it's about 2 months behind with performance information. Why do so many have a hard time awknowleging the performance and content imporvements made in the first couple months ? They are there. They are for real. Include them in your review!....and not as just some little side note.
This review was obviously written with a strong anti-Vanguard bias. I don't say this because I am some kind of Vanbois or anything. I really think the review person went out of her way to point out negatives while downplaying the positive aspects of the game. It was NOT a BALANCED review.
This person obviously only played an hour or two a day. I don't even bother to log into Vanguard if I only have an hour or two a day to play.
Vanguard takes time...it's a thinking mans/womans game. It's for people who like to think and those who appreciate an huge, deep, complicated world. It's steak in a world of fast food....not perfectly cooked..yet..mind ya..but a steak none the less.
Review pros
OP was correct about the raid content. It's NOT a raiding game...despite what some have posted on these forums.
I like the high score on graphics..but for different reasons.
Review cons
Very Vague
Old information
NOT COMPLETE ..by a long shot
Took 3 months to come up with that?...I need to find me a new website to frequent.
Maybe next time you could concentrate on the good stuff and but the bad stuff in as a little side note.
example.
" Performance has improved alot since launch. * note...It was real bad at launch.
No need to add the little " there are still some problems " because ALL mmorpg have " some " problems no matter the age. I still crash in Guild Wars at times. That game has been out for over two years. I bet some still crash in WoW and Lotro even. It's the nature of the beast and can go without saying.
I reads as if someone wrote this review on their lunch break.
I've been playing since Beta 3 and when I began, the game Vanguard most ressembled was EQ2. By launch it had been hardcored up a little, but a couple of months after launch the gameplay turned round and headed back in the EQ2 direction again, which suits me very well.
Soloing in Vanguard is good for most classes into the mid-20s. After that it slows down some, but you still certainly don't need a full group. It seems to me to be a game made for duos and trios, for whom there is a ton of content already and more promised. The crafting system is the best I have seen and Diplomacy is a unique and compulsive addition to MMO gameplay - both of those spheres are primarily solo as well.
I found the adventuring progress dried up around 45th even in a duo, and my Disciple has stalled at 46. Getting to 50 with him solo or duo wouldn;t be at all difficult, though, just a bit dull. I'm taking a break and playing EQ2 for a while until SOE and Sigil get some more 40 - 50 content in, which wil probably be a few months. I am still logging on to craft and do diplomacy, though, and I will be playing up another coupele of Vanguard characters into the mid-20s, just because there is a ton of content I levelled too fast to see in those levels.
I was blessed in having a PC that runs Vanguard very smoothly, so my experiences have been less frustrating than those of others. Overall, Vanguard had a horrible launch and was mismanaged appalingly, but even at its worst it was much better than EQ2 was at launch, so I have every hope it can fulfill its enormous potential in half the time it took it EQ2 to drag itself up by its bootstraps.
It seems quite ironic that this 'hardcore' game is recommended by the reviewer to casuals and further more he warns hardcore players off. I'm confused....but obviously not as confused as the jolly green ranger. I do wonder if the reviewer has another agenda (get people to play the game he seems to be enjoying before it goes down the pan).
It all depends what kind of hard core player one is referring too. They are not all the same.
Hard core as in plays all day ?
Hard core as in doesn't play all day, but is wicked serious when they do?
Hard core as in plays all day AND plays hard all day ?
Hardcore as in levels fast? ....raids alot?
Can a crafter or diplomat be hardcore?
Their are many deffinitions of what is hardcore.
Some would say I am hardcore..yet I only play a few hours day...but I do frequent many gaming forums and am deeply involved in the mmorpg world in many ways. Others would say I am not hardcore because i only play a few hours a day and it takes me about 2 weeks to ding a level. I play casualy but take my online worlds very seriously...is that hardcore?
I was watching G4 just now and they reviewed Vanguard and called it "Saga of broken quests". They also said it required a Nasa liquid cooled rocket engine to run effectively.
G4 is cheese. I don't even bother with that channel. It's not a reliable source for mmorpg information. I stopped watching them once they starting using those hot so-called ..gamer girls with big thingies......cheese.
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Says went to lvl 30. I got stuck in the 20s too, but what I ended up doing was going to a different continent and picking up quests there that fit my level better. I'm a Cleric at 32 now.
Also the Adrid, Mace of Sorrows quest is very fun. I'm working on the CiS quest now, it has an even better mace, and has been fairly challenging.
I think the aspect is specifically depending on what kind of game your looking for. Despite the bugs (mostly stability issues) and incomplete quests it has been fun for me. The recent patch introduced a new crash that has been ticking me off, but the prior patch was smooth, it had been a long time since I had an issue. They have optimization issues still, but there is so much content already. I mean I've played to 32 and can still find things to do that are interesting. I'm not a big PVP guy so I have no idea how that even works or goes, so someone else will have to speak to that. But for me, the PVE has been enjoyable.
i disagree with this review. Doesn't really sound like the reviewer played the game a lot. the reviewer only soloed, she didn't try the fun part of this game; the many dungeons. Those can only be done by grouping with other players and that is really what i like most about the game. I think it's a bad idea to make a review of a game without even have played all parts of the game.
I played this since beta, and yeah it was very buggy an laggy back then. But it really has improved a lot. it doesn't lag like it did back then. there is very few bugs now, and none of them are big bugs.
Some of the review is right, though.
I agree. The review should have been delayed until Update 2 or the next patch.
YES. You can SOLO with EVERY class to the MAX level. It is more solo friendly than EQ 2.
Edit: To address what the person said above me, the game is so enormous that it is impossible to experience all of it. TONS of group, small group, and solo content. It is an explorer's paradise. The group dungeons are awesome. It is sort of like a small raid at times with a group of 6 people. You can take out named targets, high level dots, etc. It is great stuff....
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WoW and fast food = commercial successes.
I neither play WoW nor eat fast food.
It is clear the ONLY way Vanguard players would ever accept a review would be if it was written with 100% positives. And they dare to call people trying to be informative "biased"
As from the start, Vanguards biggest problem.. is the players playing it. Worst advertising for a game and its community I have ever seen.
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The PvP players will just kill you, over and over until you quit. You almost need to play a Cleric because they are the most overpowered class in the game.
This game was doomed to failure from the start, even if it did not have launch problems.
Shows that you better do your market survey's before you launch. Making hardcore MMO's is strictly a niche business, the vast majority of MMO players want nothing to do with them. Hence you better have something to attract the hardcore players. This game just goes to show that hardcore pve is a very limited market.
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I agree with this review and I have never played the game...
Its a REVIEW...one persons experience with the game.
For those that do not like this persons opinion, I await your view of the game instead of your view of his opinion.
Good review, but 9 for graphics is too generous. They are good but not worth 9, more like 7, 8 top.
in reality, the last week of me playing, 'ive seen an influx of former wow players.. odd...
It ain't dead yet ma..
I started up several characters on several different servers. As stated in the review, servers like the RP or PVP server had up to 50 people in the popular starting areas (IE Tursh, with up to 50 northern humans/halfling newbies at peak time). The normal servers, from my general experience, had about 10 people in Tursh - 5 of which were afk or not chatting at all - and 1 or 2 people in less common starting areas.
As for crafting...the diplomacy and crafting systems are very subjective in VG, and I mainly focused my review on adventuring. I enjoy diplomacy but the higher end diplomacy isn't in the game yet; crafting has never been my thing, and continues to not be my thing in VG.
I don't think VG is dead, I just think it sorely needs the upcoming server merges, and its a bad sign that those are happening so soon.
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SHE played a cleric to level 30, and is still soloing her way to 31
but then, clerics and paladins are some of the best solo classes in the game.
Laura "Taera" Genender
Community Manager
MMORPG.com
The review is pretty much the way it is in my opinion. I followed this game from back when it was just an idea and a FAQ on Sigil's web site and I think its very sad the way this game went with all the pontial it had.
"God, please help us sinful children of Ivalice.."
So the arguement for many is, "it's launch was awful, it must still be awful"...man be glad your mother didn't have that attitude, because all you did at YOUR launch was bitch, cry and crap yourself......hopefully you've stopped crapping yourself, even if you can't stop bitching.
Review seems on the level, though i think the problems with performance seem to be random, as far as whom they effect and to what extent. i've heard people with lwer systems run it fone, and people with really high-end rigs have nothing but problems. Granted, I've a high-end rig and no problems, and I expect ifI did, I would be bitching also.
The Server Merge will hopefully address the vast expanses of emptiness.
The RP server is ok, but I find it weird to roleplay a game where my faction is at war with the othe faction, but I cannot attack members of that faction due to arbitrary server rules that make no sense (another words, not even Team PvP). How can I roleplay a combatant at war if I cannot act my enemies like a combatant at war. Kills kills RP for me.
So why am I giving them my money with all though Cons, someone asked...simple. I see a vast amount of potential here, and I am willing to put my money were my mouth is, in the hopes that it will come to fruition. I'm having fun now, but playing on casual basis until if gets filled out the way it should. Honestly, my hopes are more pins on Darkfall now, but its not out yet, and this is. So if this becomes they game I wanna play full time by then, I'll keep at it, and if by that time, they still haven't delivered, well then I will be jumping ship and heading over to Darkfall.
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I think it was a pretty fair review, esp since the author played a class that can solo well. I had a Druid and once I hit around 20 the soloing vanished.... I could not reliably take down near-level, 3 dot mobs solo (w/o a hella lot of kiting) ...which is what I seemed to find myself surrounded by. I think it also frosted my chain that other classes were much better at soloing.....
I remember one time trying to kill a cleric..... I was like level 18...Cleric was 14...and despite my best efforts, I could not take her down before running out of mana....and had to run off.....
Maybe if I had rolled on a normal server (as PVP servers tend to limit your access to some content) and chosen a more solo friendly class my experience would have been more enjoyable. (despite all the crashes)
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What a crock of bull.
"$OE pays us money, so we ban anyone who says anything against them and 'review' their games however they want!"
SHE played a cleric to level 30, and is still soloing her way to 31
but then, clerics and paladins are some of the best solo classes in the game.
I take it you're still playing?Might I ask if you continue to play because you enjoy the game, or is it more business?
While I feel the the score was a little low, I can't say that I totally disagree.
I don't agree with the value score that was given. Especially if you're a Station Access subscriber. I also didn't really understand the part about hardcore raiding. I couldn't tell what was meant by the game not really having the capacity for hardcore raiding. Is this in reference to the lack of raiding, or do you feel that VG, even with raids in, would not be the kind of game that hardcore raiders would get into. The later I could understand, and would agree with.
I thought that it was kind of odd that they had a community manager write the review, but then I'm not really sure if that's normal around here or not. I don't usually pay attention to who's writing what, but I was currious wich poor sole got to write this one.
Wish Darkfall would release.
SHE played a cleric to level 30, and is still soloing her way to 31
but then, clerics and paladins are some of the best solo classes in the game.
I take it you're still playing?Might I ask if you continue to play because you enjoy the game, or is it more business?
While I feel the the score was a little low, I can't say that I totally disagree.
I don't agree with the value score that was given. Especially if you're a Station Access subscriber. I also didn't really understand the part about hardcore raiding. I couldn't tell what was meant by the game not really having the capacity for hardcore raiding. Is this in reference to the lack of raiding, or do you feel that VG, even with raids in, would not be the kind of game that hardcore raiders would get into. The later I could understand, and would agree with.
I thought that it was kind of odd that they had a community manager write the review, but then I'm not really sure if that's normal around here or not. I don't usually pay attention to who's writing what, but I was currious wich poor sole got to write this one.
Until recently I've been playing for fun, about 10 hours a week maximum - but after level 30 my attention has dropped, and the people I met/was playing with moved on from the game. I am curious about Update 2, though, and will probably play more again when flying mounts are in for real.
As for hardcore raiding...players consume content much faster than devs produce it. This is true for most high end content, with PVP and commerce (for exaple) as exceptions, since these are player-generated content spaces. Raiding, high end hunting/instances, etc takes time to mature...look at EQ's origianl Naggy, Vox, and Phinny raids vs the hundreds of raid targets available in the game today.
Unfortunently, I feel that VG was even more handicapped than the normal game on release in terms of high end content; as another forum poster stated, content starts to drop off at 30 - this is true for high end diplomacy as well as adventuring. I really don't know whether VG will end up offering a good high end game, because they might surprise me, but it isn't there yet.
Laura "Taera" Genender
Community Manager
MMORPG.com
SHE played a cleric to level 30, and is still soloing her way to 31
but then, clerics and paladins are some of the best solo classes in the game.
I take it you're still playing?Might I ask if you continue to play because you enjoy the game, or is it more business?
While I feel the the score was a little low, I can't say that I totally disagree.
I don't agree with the value score that was given. Especially if you're a Station Access subscriber. I also didn't really understand the part about hardcore raiding. I couldn't tell what was meant by the game not really having the capacity for hardcore raiding. Is this in reference to the lack of raiding, or do you feel that VG, even with raids in, would not be the kind of game that hardcore raiders would get into. The later I could understand, and would agree with.
I thought that it was kind of odd that they had a community manager write the review, but then I'm not really sure if that's normal around here or not. I don't usually pay attention to who's writing what, but I was currious wich poor sole got to write this one.
Until recently I've been playing for fun, about 10 hours a week maximum - but after level 30 my attention has dropped, and the people I met/was playing with moved on from the game. I am curious about Update 2, though, and will probably play more again when flying mounts are in for real.
As for hardcore raiding...players consume content much faster than devs produce it. This is true for most high end content, with PVP and commerce (for exaple) as exceptions, since these are player-generated content spaces. Raiding, high end hunting/instances, etc takes time to mature...look at EQ's origianl Naggy, Vox, and Phinny raids vs the hundreds of raid targets available in the game today.
Unfortunently, I feel that VG was even more handicapped than the normal game on release in terms of high end content; as another forum poster stated, content starts to drop off at 30 - this is true for high end diplomacy as well as adventuring. I really don't know whether VG will end up offering a good high end game, because they might surprise me, but it isn't there yet.
Gotcha, and thank you for the responce.
Wish Darkfall would release.
I quit Vanguard after a month of playing, only got to level 16 because of how bad the lag was and how terrible it was put back together. I went back to Vanguard 1 week ago in order to level up before server mergers and have leveled from 16 to 22 now and (the most supriseing to me) found a guild that had between 20-25 people on at a time. Some might not find that to be alot but it was definately above my expectation.
Secondly, in the 4-5 months I have been away from the game I upgraded my graphics card to a "decent" card, 180$ish. And I find that lag has decreased tremendiously (2 gigs ddr2 mem though). I still crash about once an hour or once every two hours but other than that I find it to be a very great game though working for the URT is like working for the mafia. I will admit that if there is no raiding content by the time I hit 50 I will be gone in a heart beat but with how great the game seems to be progressing I am definately optimistic. And the whole flying mounts thing, they were never going to make that open to everyone anyways so I do not understand why the Review would mention that as a downside when I would figure you should be level 50 with some raid content behind you before you are allowed to even sniff at flying mounts.
Just my two coppers
It sounds like the comments on the performance where based on early performance issues with all the updates and fixs mentioned only as a little *side note.
I do not think that gives an accurate view of the way performance has improved unless this review was written within the first month and just now gone public.
The review was also very vague...I suspect intentionaly so. No mention on harvesting or crafting at all. Very little was said about diplomacy...what was said was stated in the context of personal opinion vs. unbiased review.
The review could have actualy picked apart the graphics more...there are several graphical issues not mentioned. I think the score on graphics is accurate , but for different reasons.
This was NOT a very good review compared to 3-4 page reviews I've seen on other mmorpg's. For a world the size and complexity AND combined with the fact that it's about 2 months behind with performance information. Why do so many have a hard time awknowleging the performance and content imporvements made in the first couple months ? They are there. They are for real. Include them in your review!....and not as just some little side note.
This review was obviously written with a strong anti-Vanguard bias. I don't say this because I am some kind of Vanbois or anything. I really think the review person went out of her way to point out negatives while downplaying the positive aspects of the game. It was NOT a BALANCED review.
This person obviously only played an hour or two a day. I don't even bother to log into Vanguard if I only have an hour or two a day to play.
Vanguard takes time...it's a thinking mans/womans game. It's for people who like to think and those who appreciate an huge, deep, complicated world. It's steak in a world of fast food....not perfectly cooked..yet..mind ya..but a steak none the less.
Review pros
OP was correct about the raid content. It's NOT a raiding game...despite what some have posted on these forums.
I like the high score on graphics..but for different reasons.
Review cons
Very Vague
Old information
NOT COMPLETE ..by a long shot
Took 3 months to come up with that?...I need to find me a new website to frequent.
Maybe next time you could concentrate on the good stuff and but the bad stuff in as a little side note.
example.
" Performance has improved alot since launch. * note...It was real bad at launch.
No need to add the little " there are still some problems " because ALL mmorpg have " some " problems no matter the age. I still crash in Guild Wars at times. That game has been out for over two years. I bet some still crash in WoW and Lotro even. It's the nature of the beast and can go without saying.
I reads as if someone wrote this review on their lunch break.
A fair, although very limited, review.
I've been playing since Beta 3 and when I began, the game Vanguard most ressembled was EQ2. By launch it had been hardcored up a little, but a couple of months after launch the gameplay turned round and headed back in the EQ2 direction again, which suits me very well.
Soloing in Vanguard is good for most classes into the mid-20s. After that it slows down some, but you still certainly don't need a full group. It seems to me to be a game made for duos and trios, for whom there is a ton of content already and more promised. The crafting system is the best I have seen and Diplomacy is a unique and compulsive addition to MMO gameplay - both of those spheres are primarily solo as well.
I found the adventuring progress dried up around 45th even in a duo, and my Disciple has stalled at 46. Getting to 50 with him solo or duo wouldn;t be at all difficult, though, just a bit dull. I'm taking a break and playing EQ2 for a while until SOE and Sigil get some more 40 - 50 content in, which wil probably be a few months. I am still logging on to craft and do diplomacy, though, and I will be playing up another coupele of Vanguard characters into the mid-20s, just because there is a ton of content I levelled too fast to see in those levels.
I was blessed in having a PC that runs Vanguard very smoothly, so my experiences have been less frustrating than those of others. Overall, Vanguard had a horrible launch and was mismanaged appalingly, but even at its worst it was much better than EQ2 was at launch, so I have every hope it can fulfill its enormous potential in half the time it took it EQ2 to drag itself up by its bootstraps.
To say in a few words what the opening statement said in afffect is: Stay away from this game, it's not worth it.
Hard core as in plays all day ?
Hard core as in doesn't play all day, but is wicked serious when they do?
Hard core as in plays all day AND plays hard all day ?
Hardcore as in levels fast? ....raids alot?
Can a crafter or diplomat be hardcore?
Their are many deffinitions of what is hardcore.
Some would say I am hardcore..yet I only play a few hours day...but I do frequent many gaming forums and am deeply involved in the mmorpg world in many ways. Others would say I am not hardcore because i only play a few hours a day and it takes me about 2 weeks to ding a level. I play casualy but take my online worlds very seriously...is that hardcore?
I was watching G4 just now and they reviewed Vanguard and called it "Saga of broken quests".
They also said it required a Nasa liquid cooled rocket engine to run effectively.
G4 is cheese. I don't even bother with that channel. It's not a reliable source for mmorpg information. I stopped watching them once they starting using those hot so-called ..gamer girls with big thingies......cheese.
cheese..cheese..cheese