Game is still in decline, nothing new here

sololoco

I stayed away for a while and just decided to check up here today. But I see nothing has changed with this game, it's still on the rapid decline.

Judging from it's review I just read on this sites home page I can say my initial statement is very accurate.  In a way I believe you can compare this game to SWG in many ways especially in population or should I say lack of.  Both have a skeleton population and both are terrible as well as being run by the same company.

No matter what you can think of in defense of this game all you have to do is see the population and that will tell you just how good is really is. If it was a good game like a few say then why has everyone left?  Players don't desert a good game, they leave bad ones.

'nuff said.

Rollotamasi

Originally posted by sololoco



 In a way I believe you can compare this game to SWG in many ways especially in population or should I say lack of.  Both have a skeleton population and both are terrible as well as being run by the same company.

  Do you know the population is "skeleton" because you have played both games recently or because you have read posts saying it is low on these forums?

random11

He said it cause it is a sad fact.

 

But I don't completely agree, good games can have low population. The fact that VG sucks is proved by how many people originally bought it, and left in a manner of weeks/months.

 

There are good games out there which have a small, but loyal following, and are acclaimed games.

 

VG simply sucks, too bad for Brad.

Urdig

When you say jump on here to see how the game was, are you refering to these forums or the game?

boojiboy

Originally posted by random11


He said it cause it is a sad fact.
 
But I don't completely agree, good games can have low population. The fact that VG sucks is proved by how many people originally bought it, and left in a manner of weeks/months.
 
There are good games out there which have a small, but loyal following, and are acclaimed games.
 
VG simply sucks, too bad for Brad.

You are a broken record. The game doesn't suck.  For the most part, what drives people away are performance and crashing issues, not the game itself.  In which case, I expect many people to try it again after SoE works out the performance issues.

truenorthbg

Actually, the game is very fun and on an incline.  SOE is aggressively improving this game. 

Enigma

Originally posted by sololoco


I stayed away for a while and just decided to check up here today. But I see nothing has changed with this game, it's still on the rapid decline.
Judging from it's review I just read on this sites home page I can say my initial statement is very accurate.  In a way I believe you can compare this game to SWG in many ways especially in population or should I say lack of.  Both have a skeleton population and both are terrible as well as being run by the same company.
I dont think you've logged on to SWG recently. A couple of their servers show very heavy and heavy (without a server merge).
No matter what you can think of in defense of this game all you have to do is see the population and that will tell you just how good is really is. If it was a good game like a few say then why has everyone left?  Players don't desert a good game, they leave bad ones.
'nuff said.

 

M1sf1t

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Originally posted by Enigma
Originally posted by sololoco I stayed away for a while and just decided to check up here today. But I see nothing has changed with this game, it's still on the rapid decline.
Judging from it's review I just read on this sites home page I can say my initial statement is very accurate. In a way I believe you can compare this game to SWG in many ways especially in population or should I say lack of. Both have a skeleton population and both are terrible as well as being run by the same company.
I dont think you've logged on to SWG recently. A couple of their servers show very heavy and heavy (without a server merge).
No matter what you can think of in defense of this game all you have to do is see the population and that will tell you just how good is really is. If it was a good game like a few say then why has everyone left? Players don't desert a good game, they leave bad ones.
'nuff said.

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I find it hilarious that the so called hated SWG post NGE has just as many servers that are far more populated then Vangaurd will be after a it's 3-1 server merge.

Kyleran

Since neither game posts population figures, most of what you are saying is speculation.  Reports from SWG lately have shown an increasing population, in the eyes of those who are currently playing it.  VG has its problems, but the server merges should help and they can work on growing from there.

Population isn't everything, I'm playing EVE right now and while its 200K or so subs may not seem like much, it sure seems like a very populated world since there is only one. 

Urdig

Originally posted by Urdig


When you say jump on here to see how the game was, are you refering to these forums or the game?

Yeah.  I'm quoting myself.

I still don't know what you mean by jumping on here. 

The forums?

Or the game?

mmorpg1972

This game failed. That's all.

Zorgo

Originally posted by Urdig


 
Originally posted by Urdig


When you say jump on here to see how the game was, are you refering to these forums or the game?

Yeah.  I'm quoting myself.

 

I still don't know what you mean by jumping on here. 

The forums?

Or the game?

He meant the forums. Sololoco is a professional hater of this game. These are all arguments that have been stated before in several threads. I predict that he just wanted to have the discussion again, so purposely was ambiguous to add an illusion of credibility and reasoning for his re-hash of the same flame-baiting topic that he seems to get all giddy about.

smg77

You don't have to play the game to know it's in decline. You just have to read the plan for server merges.

Zooomg

There is not much population left to lose anyway lol ... it is already at rock bottom considerating its big budget.

As Dave pretty much said in the latest interview, there is not much point in trying to lure people back right now coz they know the game is in a poor state.  They will try in about 6-12 months when they have a relaunch. 

That's seems to be a smart thing to do.

sololoco

Well, if it isn't my old compadre Zorgo or is it Mongo? Oh, well.   Somehow I'd knew you come out the woodwork soon as you saw I had posted. Does it feel good to ya?  Glad I could help liven your forum life son.

 

If you noticed in my op I said judging by the review I read on this websites home page.  C'mon, take your time reading so you can take it all in.

Who can deny the population in this game is virtually nil?  I guess there are some who still will deny this but judging from reviews like the one here and by what many others have written as well as what magazine and gaming sites have you already know theres a skeleton crew in VG. And no, hell no I won't ever pay to play this game again.  Actually, I wouldn't play it if it was free.  And to think I  disliked WoW yet I stood playing it til level 58, yet in VG by level 19 I couldn't take it anymore and couldn't wait to leave like everyone else was doing.

Back in the review in one paragragh the reviewer said he finally met someone who told him he was the 3rd person he'd seen for a while.  And this is just one person saying it.  Again, just like Galaxies.

SWG, forget about that one. That's not even the Galaxies of old, thats a totally different game altogether. And yes, I was there too not too long ago and yes, the servers were empty so I know about that game and no one can tell me different cause I saw it firsthand myself.

Again, that game is just like this one, a complete failure.  Yes, a few still play it but thats because you can't please everyone. But for the most part everyone left, the large majority left and only a very small portion remain. So since just about everyone agreed the game wasn't worth it and abandoned ship and a few think it is and have remained who do you think it most likely to be right and who is definitely wrong?  Seems like the majority always wins.

And Gorgo, this isn't hating, this is just stating the obvious. Like the old adage, "you can't cover the sky with your hand".  Here it would be, you can't tell people something is good when they already know the truth that it isn't.

M1sf1t

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Originally posted by Kyleran
Since neither game posts population figures, most of what you are saying is speculation. Reports from SWG lately have shown an increasing population, in the eyes of those who are currently playing it. VG has its problems, but the server merges should help and they can work on growing from there.
Population isn't everything, I'm playing EVE right now and while its 200K or so subs may not seem like much, it sure seems like a very populated world since there is only one.

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You don't need numbers to realize that when most SWG servers are at Medium and 3 are at Heavy SWG is doing tons better then Vangaurd. All servers on Vangaurd are at Low as in Low Population and server load. The max population on a VG server is 5,000 people on at one time. When a VG server is a low it means less then 1,000 players are on the server. This means that there are 13,000 or less VG players left spread across 13 servers.

Face it Vangaurd is near it's death bed. If they can't draw in more players after their re-launch there is no hope for Vangaurd. This also will not be any easy task with several new MMO's launching soon.

Also 200,000 players is more then likely about 20 times the current population of Vangaurd right now.

Oh and thanks for point out the obvious with your point about EvE. Yeah EvE is very populated especially when 200,000 players all reside on one server. You cannot say the same for Vangaurd though even if they were down to one server.

Agricola1

If Vanguard were a ship she'd be the "Marie Celeste", "Titanic" was taken by SWG a couple of years ago!

Zooomg

Vanguard truly claims the Titanic title.  SWG at least survive until CU at the very least and didn't died on the first outing.  It was also not as arrogantly hyped like Vanguard nor did it cost 30M+ to make (at least not to my knowledge).  I remember Titanic was hyped as well as 'unsinkable' lol ....

sgtwepps

SWG is like churchhill in WW2.



He was losing, but in the end he won.

crystalshine

I think it's a little sad , I waited eagerly for my copie of VG to arrive ..downloaded it and upgraded the content ..logged in and the graphics were great but this very quickly turned to disappointment ... even on the lowest setting I had very bad lag issues, now its unplayerable . The crafting in that game was very good ,since I love to craft that was the only attraction the game held for me so I didn't worry that the quests were bugged ,figgered they would get around to fixing them later . Later hasn't happened and now my copy of VG is gracing the garbagecan ,well in one respect I learnt a valueable lesson  I will NEVER buy a game on first release again and I will research them more before I decide to buy . But VG could have been a very good game to bad the makers tryed to hard to outdo everyone else in the market 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Royspi

the servers are all low now? sigh.. well ill still give it at least a month after the servers merge. I miss the mechanics of the game and the class diversity.

alakram

In my experience. I preordered VG. started playing in the prerelease days. Then I got bored and cancelled the preorder. 2 days from release, I thought damn this game will be good, and repurchased the game so I started to play. 2 months later I found my self reactivating my EQ2 suscription: 1 day i returned from work and I thought: Lets see how is going EQ2, just a little, and, well, 1 week later i closed my VG suscription. Im so sorry to say this but, for me, VG was like burning my money.

Agricola1

Originally posted by sgtwepps


SWG is like churchhill in WW2.



He was losing, but in the end he won.

If we're using WW2 leaders I'd compare Vanguard to Mussolini.

He made alot of big promises to his followers and failed to deliver on any of them, in the end his friend had to bail him out but eventualy he was hung by the same people he failed to deliver to.

eugam

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Originally posted by sololoco

I stayed away for a while and just decided to check up here today. But I see nothing has changed with this game, it's still on the rapid decline.
Judging from it's review I just read on this sites home page I can say my initial statement is very accurate. In a way I believe you can compare this game to SWG in many ways especially in population or should I say lack of. Both have a skeleton population and both are terrible as well as being run by the same company.
No matter what you can think of in defense of this game all you have to do is see the population and that will tell you just how good is really is. If it was a good game like a few say then why has everyone left? Players don't desert a good game, they leave bad ones.
'nuff said.

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Populism ? 'nuff said was enough text.

The reference to SoE and SWG is not true. SoE had nothing to do with Vanguard for a few years of development. Actually SoE, no the ex Sigil DEVs, do a good job. testserver seems to run quite smooth. Given the time to reform the DEV team and integrate the Testing facilities of SoE they seem to be on their toes.

The game is good, very good. Performance and CTD's are real problems. It might happen that there are not enough people who like the game. That doesnt tell anything about its quality as a game. Some flys eat shit, others prefer nectar

Oh, and dont bother with PotbS. SoE will publish it

Unknown

Originally posted by truenorthbg


Actually, the game is very fun and on an incline.  SOE is aggressively improving this game. 

The game is still losing players, and SOE's first patch was a buggy mess.  Where do you get your info exactly?  Oh wait let me guess. "I see so many new players!  Crowded servers everywhere!"

truenorthbg

I cannot state confidently whether the population is increasing or decreasing.  I can only speak anecdotally, and that is people I know have resubscribed to the game, mostly due to the server mergers and anticipated performance improvement.  I know another person building a new PC right now and going to resub.

 

In terms of an incline, I was referring to SOE's energy, effort, and resources to fix bugs (they just fixed 309 in a recent patch), improve performance (word is that the next patch or Update 2 will help a great deal - and have performance boosters in raid content), and complete unfinished parts of the game (such as raid content for end-game).