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Why SOE does not suxorz!!!
thegreatone1
Member Posts: 11
SOE is NOT, I repeat, NOT responsible for Vanguard. Sigil is the only reason that Vanguard failed. This has been well documented. A simple google search would clear this up for any of you flamers. If anything, SOE saved Vanguard. The only reason the game exists today is because SOE bought out Sigil and saved the game from being wiped off the face of the Earth.
SWG was ruined. SOE is partly responsible for this. However people seem to overlook the fact that Lucasarts was just as much responsible for the CU and NGE as SOE was.
FLS has the financial stability and the will to see this game through launch and retain ownership of their company and one of the greatest and most innovative mmos to ever grace our computers . There is no doubt in my mind that FLS will make this game truly amazing when it finally reaches our hands.
SWG was ruined. SOE is partly responsible for this. However people seem to overlook the fact that Lucasarts was just as much responsible for the CU and NGE as SOE was.
FLS has the financial stability and the will to see this game through launch and retain ownership of their company and one of the greatest and most innovative mmos to ever grace our computers . There is no doubt in my mind that FLS will make this game truly amazing when it finally reaches our hands.
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true that, SOE isn't that bad. flaming sucks anyways. this game will be interesting and i cant wait to get my hands on it also. FLS did the right thing by the way they signed on with SOE, they will be just fine and there financial situation is fine. excited i am!
Jer Jer
Still doesn't give them a pass for the complete abortion that Star Wars Galaxies became.
They coded every line of that. Distributed it too.
That, and they're the slimiest game company out there. Until AlQueda launches one that is.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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Also, SOE is the Galactus of the MMO industry.
Too bad our war against SOE started WAY the hell before Vanguard. Vanguard is just their most recent failure. My personal war is against all things Sony, including SOE, Playstation, Memory stick, Trinitron, Blu-ray, ATRAC3, Betamax, Sony Music, Rootkits, SWG, PotBS, Vanguard, EQII. Shit this list goes on forever. Just remember this list when you try to tell me SOE does not suck. You are dead wrong. This game will turn to shit. Quickly now, Exit this thread and go onto something else.
SOE is the one who agreed to release and sell a game knowing that it was unfinished. SWG chose not to assist sigil in finishing a full development. SOE agreed to produce Vangurd knowing that it wasn't going to be complete and that it would be forced out, and knowing the shape that Vanguard was in SOE would of had to known that it would flop. At that point it wouldn't of been a stretch for them to realise that sigil was going to be in trouble and have to sell.
Actually, it was Sigil that released the game prematurely. They simply ran out of money and needed to depend on the early sales and subscriptions to get the game fully up and running.
I dont know what this guy's problem is. He must have applied for a job at sony and they probably laughed at him. Just like I will when I get to play a groundbreaking mmo in PotBS and he sits around twidling his thumbs when proved wrong. Sad thing is, he will be missing out on all of the sweet Blu-ray movies too.
Im not a all out hater of SONY but i have to disagree with most of their business practices. I WILL NEVER buy a game that has the SOE logo on it unless the game has been out for at least 6months to a year.
To bad Blu-ray is shit...and the only ppl that have a Blu-Ray player are the idoits that bought the PS3. Go look at all the other formats sony has tryed to push out and have failed, Blu-ray is just another notch on the belt.
Kindly explain how they are the slimiest game company out there. And, I admitted that they had screwed up on SWG having played that game myself. I just said that they were not the only ones at fault.
Im not a all out hater of SONY but i have to disagree with most of their business practices. I WILL NEVER buy a game that has the SOE logo on it unless the game has been out for at least 6months to a year.
To bad Blu-ray is shit...and the only ppl that have a Blu-Ray player are the idoits that bought the PS3. Go look at all the other formats sony has tryed to push out and have failed, Blu-ray is just another notch on the belt.
What difference does it make how long the game has been out? SWG was great until the CU. My favorite mmo actually until then. Why miss the initial great fun? Even if the game does turn out badly. All games do eventually go down the shitter.
You have a personal war against Sony? That's a pretty lame thing to have a personal war against.
Im not a all out hater of SONY but i have to disagree with most of their business practices. I WILL NEVER buy a game that has the SOE logo on it unless the game has been out for at least 6months to a year.
To bad Blu-ray is shit...and the only ppl that have a Blu-Ray player are the idoits that bought the PS3. Go look at all the other formats sony has tryed to push out and have failed, Blu-ray is just another notch on the belt.
What difference does it make how long the game has been out? SWG was great until the CU. My favorite mmo actually until then. Why miss the initial great fun? Even if the game does turn out badly. All games do eventually go down the shitter.
The difference is to see how the game plays out, and to avoid a waste of time and money, to see if the company dies or if SOE devours it. The basic idea behind SOE is to get as many games as they can on the station pass. The business practices of SOE are well documented else where.Also i roll w/ my guild, so it doesnt matter when we jump into a game, we will have a blast if the game is good.
You have a personal war against Sony? That's a pretty lame thing to have a personal war against.
Not if you have a personal army!
All the SOE haters out there say that SOE has unethical business practices...What are they? Please, enlighten me. I'm not aware of anything other than the common "Vanguard sucks" and my personal favorite : "They sent SWG down the shitter"
Also, SOE is the Galactus of the MMO industry.
I always thought of EA as more of that.
Then you need to lurk moar...
Thank goodness that SOE are not going to be allowed to code one line of PotBS, have any ownership of the IPR or any say in the future development of the game then. SOE get to code the launcher, oh noes the game is now officially borked.
It's a third party contract for distribution/marketing. It is not a partnership.
I'm not a lover of SOE for sure, any company that has a bad customer support record gets a wide berth from me. So thank goodness again that SOE will have nothing to do with this either.
I can live with SOE handling the billing and with their distribution resources it will bring the game to the attention of a far greater fan base. So long as FLS make sure SOE remain within the borders of the deal, then it looks like a risky but fantastic opportunity.
"Williams: We weren’t looking for a traditional publishing model, where the publisher finances the game and takes ownership and the lion’s share of the profit. We’re a completely independent studio, and we didn’t want to lose that. SOE’s Platform Publishing lets us leverage SOE’s strengths while keeping our independence. " Russell 'Rusty' williams, CEO of FLS
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Also, SOE is the Galactus of the MMO industry.
I always thought of EA as more of that.
...well, lets start a running bet, which ever company eats up as many IPs/games/companys in the next 2 years wins the title of "Galactus of Gaming"!
Thank goodness that SOE are not going to be allowed to code one line of PotBS, have any ownership of the IPR or any say in the future development of the game then. SOE get to code the launcher, oh noes the game is now officially borked.
It's a third party contract for distribution/marketing. It is not a partnership.
I'm not a lover of SOE for sure, any company that has a bad customer support record gets a wide berth from me. So thank goodness again that SOE will have nothing to do with this either.
I can live with SOE handling the billing and with their distribution resources it will bring the game to the attention of a far greater fan base. So long as FLS make sure SOE remain within the borders of the deal, then it looks like a risky but fantastic opportunity.
"Williams: We weren’t looking for a traditional publishing model, where the publisher finances the game and takes ownership and the lion’s share of the profit. We’re a completely independent studio, and we didn’t want to lose that. SOE’s Platform Publishing lets us leverage SOE’s strengths while keeping our independence. " Russell 'Rusty' williams, CEO of FLS
cough, cough, ::copy paste press release from vanguard:: cough, cough
learn to be in a tolerable social talk for Christ sakes.
on a side note flying lab has there hands on the game and SOE agreed to let them keep it that way. so even if SOE was bad they cant do anything about it. its either good or bad and by the hands of FLS
Jer Jer
on a side note flying lab has there hands on the game and SOE agreed to let them keep it that way. so even if SOE was bad they cant do anything about it. its either good or bad and by the hands of FLS
They have said that b4, and we saw what happened there.
How about EQ, it was a top game til Sony bought out Verant after the Velious expansion. Then came the Luclin expansion by sony and the game began its downward spiral. Then PoP came out and completely ruined the game by making itway to easy. The PS had massive failure rates, as did the PS2. All of these are well before SWG came out. Their TV's, Stereo's, and other home theatre products have also gone down hill in their reliability. Sony goes for developers they figure they can buyout in the near future when it comes to MMO's.
Thank goodness that SOE are not going to be allowed to code one line of PotBS, have any ownership of the IPR or any say in the future development of the game then. SOE get to code the launcher, oh noes the game is now officially borked.
It's a third party contract for distribution/marketing. It is not a partnership.
I'm not a lover of SOE for sure, any company that has a bad customer support record gets a wide berth from me. So thank goodness again that SOE will have nothing to do with this either.
I can live with SOE handling the billing and with their distribution resources it will bring the game to the attention of a far greater fan base. So long as FLS make sure SOE remain within the borders of the deal, then it looks like a risky but fantastic opportunity.
"Williams: We weren’t looking for a traditional publishing model, where the publisher finances the game and takes ownership and the lion’s share of the profit. We’re a completely independent studio, and we didn’t want to lose that. SOE’s Platform Publishing lets us leverage SOE’s strengths while keeping our independence. " Russell 'Rusty' williams, CEO of FLS
cough, cough, ::copy paste press release from vanguard:: cough, cough
One crucial difference you have overlooked though korvix:
FLS don't owe SOE any money.
As I said in another post on this forum, you cannot define absolute truth from observed experience. It is logically flawed. I'm not saying you are wrong to be wary of a company that has burned you, but you are wrong to assume that every game is guaranteed to fail just because SOE have a small affiliation with it.
Please, by all means, go find the press release from Sigil that you think says exactly the same thing and I will point out to you where it is different. None of us here know what the future will hold for this game.
on a side note flying lab has there hands on the game and SOE agreed to let them keep it that way. so even if SOE was bad they cant do anything about it. its either good or bad and by the hands of FLS
They have said that b4, and we saw what happened there.
Stop living in the past! FLS is in a much different situation than Sigil was. A 30 million dollar difference to be accurate.
2- Like I said before, all games eventually go down the shitter. EQ was one of the greatest ever. Keyword: WAS
3- If they think they can buyout FLS they are sorely mistaken. Rusty will not and does not need to sell to them. Have faith in that!
2- Like I said before, all games eventually go down the shitter. EQ was one of the greatest ever. Keyword: WAS
3- If they think they can buyout FLS they are sorely mistaken. Rusty will not and does not need to sell to them. Have faith in that!
Don't even bother trying to convince them, you can't get through the tinfoil hats they wear to keep out the SOE-rays they believe are corrupting them. People don't seem to realize exactly what the deal between the 2 companies are. The actual deal is not really with SOE, but with Platform Publishing, which is a entity belonging to SOE. Platform Publishing is an alternative publisher geared towards independent and small companies wanting to get their product out without having the extra burden of coming up with publishing, marketing, billing and other associated headaches.To those who say we heard the same thing from Sigil..............................NO YOU DIDN'T..................
Sigil had a direct investors deal with SOE and didn't have a thing to do with the publishing arm of Platform Publishing. SOE being an investor, by buying out M$'s Sigil contract, meant they had a controlling interest in Sigil and had a say in what happened and as a major investor could take over if they saw the company being mishandled. It happens all the time in todays business world, and people applaud when investors take interest in most companies, meaning they want that company and product to survive.