i liked Lineage2, i still like it but im not playing anymore, because almost everyone start's to bot when NCsoft dosen't do anything about it... and yere it might be odd i recommend people to bot when botter's made me quit, but i loved the game, it was a good game but when the company behind it refuses to do anything you just can't save it p.s damn green is hard to read...
Listen, in the end, the player just needs to do his/her research. I think if a player goes in the game with forknowledge of what it is about (and what it isn't) then they will at least approach it with the correct mindset.
And I tell you, way, way back "when", when the game first came out, I signed up "just to see what an online game was all about". At that time the only games I knew about were EQ.
I signed up to just stay a week. What I found was a brutal game with some of the scummiest people you will ever meet. But more, I found a beautiful game with a lot of great people as well that had a very interesting gameplay element.
Sure, the quests are absolute crap (can I say crap on TV?) and having the necros filled with bots is a pain in the neck but if a person "wants" to play this and has put himself/herself in the right attitude then it could be very worthwhile.
Gratz on the new job.
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Whoa, whoa, whoa guys I didn't mean to start anything. I understand where both of you are coming from and even though Sorrowho's side more, both of you are right.
About reading reviews: I read a plethora of reviews and almost all of them mentioned pkers, scammers, and griefers. What they do not mention is that when you join the game you will see no, or very few, players for a long, long time. I am guessing this is so that NCSoft will continue to post their ad's on their websites. haha
In the end, the thing that got me wasn't the griefers, pkers, and scammers. In fact, the majority of "actual" players I found were quite nice. The problem was finding players that were not botters or farmers. Reviews do not mention that the game is empty.
Whoa, whoa, whoa guys I didn't mean to start anything. I understand where both of you are coming from and even though Sorrowho's side more, both of you are right. About reading reviews: I read a plethora of reviews and almost all of them mentioned pkers, scammers, and griefers. What they do not mention is that when you join the game you will see no, or very few, players for a long, long time. I am guessing this is so that NCSoft will continue to post their ad's on their websites. haha In the end, the thing that got me wasn't the griefers, pkers, and scammers. In fact, the majority of "actual" players I found were quite nice. The problem was finding players that were not botters or farmers. Reviews do not mention that the game is empty.
lol, don't sweat it. Just a little healthy debate amongst gamers.
The reviews are old so they wouldn't mention the fact that the new player areas are empty. Interesting enough,. I signed in last night to help a new guy who needed help with a quest on Talking Island (human new starter area).
It seemed that, in the end, he didn't need the help as he found other new people to group with. So, they are there... you just have to find them.
Like Skyrim? Need more content? Try my Skyrim mod "Godfred's Tomb."
well regarding to what i read....i justw ant to say that i play Lineage2 for +3 years now, my toon is a lvl +77 bladedancer with sub necromancer lvl 54. and i never used bots or even ebayed for items or money game. my point is: NOT ALL bot or ebayat L2.Also as someone said b4 , if u think in L2 is like a mmo like WoW (wich u can get max lvl in 1 month)just forget it. L2 is brutal ,hard world with no compassion for no one,and is the game that neevr ends as well. but what can i say..i neevr found a game with so potencial in PvP based in clan allies PvP.For instance i reached max lvl at Lotro in 2 months...2months in L2 u get on lvl 40. it took me 2 years to get my toon on lvl 77 and with top gear and armor.L2 is a great game ...just is NOT an easy and fast game.
Downloaded it, tried it out and just wanted to format my PC - thats how mind numbing this game is. For a non rpg person no doubt it has some fun elements.
Most of the players prefer a PvP orientated grind fest but I found the game a total turn off. Got to level 20 and thought hold on, I have been doing the same **** over and over... rinse and repeat.
Graphically its not all that, the character models are highly detailed and there are lots of (too many) light fantastic special effects going on but when you look at the game environment it's blocky, textures are of a poor quality over stretched (and I had the graphics on max everything) i.e dated (sure you can bump up the res really high but that doesn't hide a crap environment).
If anyone has tried the many other mmorpg games currently cropping up he/she will realise they are all based on the same dated game engine i.e L2 = Zu Online = Rappel = Archlord = DAOC (to DAOC defense, it came out a long time ago and what it lacked it made up for with great PvP and some nice rpg elements).
WoW has a great game engine to boot, just not much in the way of diverse content, instead focusing primarily on pvp and raiding.
Each to their own though, the games out there are popular like L2 for a reason as they cater for a particular taste - not everyone will agree on the samething but then your not forced to play L2 if you don't like it!
complete pile of steam horse excrement. Downloaded it, tried it out and just wanted to format my PC - thats how mind numbing this game is. For a non rpg person no doubt it has some fun elements. Most of the players prefer a PvP orientated grind fest but I found the game a total turn off. Got to level 20 and thought hold on, I have been doing the same **** over and over... rinse and repeat. Graphically its not all that, the character models are highly detailed and there are lots of (too many) light fantastic special effects going on but when you look at the game environment it's blocky, textures are of a poor quality over stretched (and I had the graphics on max everything) i.e dated (sure you can bump up the res really high but that doesn't hide a crap environment). If anyone has tried the many other mmorpg games currently cropping up he/she will realise they are all based on the same dated game engine i.e L2 = Zu Online = Rappel = Archlord = DAOC (to DAOC defense, it came out a long time ago and what it lacked it made up for with great PvP and some nice rpg elements). WoW has a great game engine to boot, just not much in the way of diverse content, instead focusing primarily on pvp and raiding. Each to their own though, the games out there are popular like L2 for a reason as they cater for a particular taste - not everyone will agree on the samething but then your not forced to play L2 if you don't like it!
Calling ppls opinions horse excrement based on your own opinions is not only antagonistic, inviting flames, but poor online etiquette as well.
Aside from the difference of opinon between Sorrowho and Sovrath, which is quite longstanding I might add, they are arguing core issues as affected their game play. I don't think you fully understand what they're talking about based on what you posted as your reasons for not liking L2. To criticise a game on the basis of a 1% exposure and I am being generous here by giving you that 1% , since the amount of time and effort required these days to reach lv20 is on par with getting XP just for discovering new areas of the map in WoW, and is not only inisignificant, but phrased as you have done so simply inflamatory.
I find it amusing that you seem to imply that repeating things ad nauseum is somehow unique to L2 ? If you are suggesting that combat takes place too quickly to fully enjoy your button clicking experience such as that which I enjoyed in EQ1 for eg, then yes, time to state the bleeding obvious, combat is much quicker as the focus is on a different risk vs reward model, than that of EQ1 or WoW. L2's economy is based on a very fickle and low random probability reward for the risk, therefore you have to repeat the process as often as possible. Its just statistical variation as opposed to the fight longer for the same XP and a higher reward chance model of EQ2, WoW or VG even. You may not like it, infact many ppl don't but its there for a reason.
If you prefer the other models of EQ1, 2 and VG perhaps where combat is purposefully extended so that you have a longer time to play with skills then so be it. Again L2 has its skills and combat does extend but again its a choice which is available later and is based on the type of XP/Raid encounter you may be looking for...
Irrespective of which system you prefer, that is all you do is ANY MMO which is XP/progression is earnt/achieved through the repetitive killing of mobs yielding and XP/Hr curve... This is why, regardless of MMO, there is always a never ending search to increase DPS and everything is DPS focused in order to attain maximum efficiency. Even in EQ1 we could do AoE parties which consisted of camping rooms and sweeping mobs to an AoE Caster frenzy which had to be quick or risk death based on that game engine combat system. Again that was repeated ad nauseum. Nothing new here I assure you.
Had you played long enough you might have actually understood the reason for L2's combat engine as it relates to the END GAME something you would have had to experience to criticise, however, lets not let this fact get in the way of a good rant eh ?
In closing, you have framed your argument poorly to say the least, your inexperience and a lack of understanding of L2 should preclude you from criticism of the game but again you're not the first to do so and everyone is entitled to their opinion on a subject regardless of how misguided it may be... just read the press or get involved in political debate to find ample examples, but I digress...
I simply find it astounding that you can trash the opinions of players vastly more experienced in the game than yourself on the basis of what amounts to nothing more than hearsay and idle gossip since from what I can gather by your post your actual knowledge of L2 ammounts to a dislike of graphics....
Well done sir, you have earnt yourself the right be called a BoardWarrior. Huzzah !
Thank you for the reply, as I said "It caters for a particular taste". I am a victim of expectation i.e I played something like WoW and so I expect the same well developed game environment.
However I am not a fan of the WoW, the actualy game play is very shallow and the end game is repetitive to say the least. L2 just didn't bite for me, I was expecting a well developed game engine but found the game engine to be based on a dated one.
For the hardcore players I fully appreciate the game has some depth (after all many of my friends play L2 to death) but for newcomers it can put them off very quickly. Too far east games are coming out that are focused on providing special effects, lots of 'blinged' up armor/power ups however the game environment doesn't help promote a sense of immersion.
I have not discounted L2 however, I will go back to the game sometime in the near future. As you mention the end-game this has got me curious so I will probably use a friends account who is quite a high level, this should allow me to explore the game a little more.
End of the day though we now have some very capable hardware out there and games should be taking advantage of this fact. Agreed games like L2, DOAC, EQ1 etc came out well before WoW made any headway in the mmorpg community but it would be nice to see some updates that improve the game environment.
I play mmorpg's to escape from the humdrum of daily life, doing a 9 to 5 job you want something to escape into and it should provide an instant hook, L2 didn't provide that for me but I am realising each game is different i.e the community varies from game to game.
Thank for the title, *blushing*... I am honored, yes my comment was a bit harsh but then I had just finished trying out another mmorpg game that turned out to be a joke so I was a bit frustrated. So my humble apologies to the L2 community, I was out of order with my comments.
Maybe L3 will cater for people like me, providing the type of game immersion and role playing I am after?
Hi there, Lineage 2 is a great Game, if u can stand the grind... I myself played Lineage for a long time. Getting to level 70+ is very, very hard! But to compete in Sieges u need to be at least 60+... I am waiting for Aion, NCSoft 2! Yea, i think its a bit too late to start with Lineage 2...
Greets Xuul
He hit it right on the head, i played Lineage 2 for 3 and a half years on Seighardt. The grind is horrible and yeah its to late to start. Im waiting for Aion also, id say check that game out and hopefully Aion wont make the mistakes Lineage 2 made.
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hmm.. i am still wondering if i should start L2.. i played wow for 3 years i think.. and has got bored from it now tbh.. But when is this new Aion comming anyone?
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And I tell you, way, way back "when", when the game first came out, I signed up "just to see what an online game was all about". At that time the only games I knew about were EQ.
I signed up to just stay a week. What I found was a brutal game with some of the scummiest people you will ever meet. But more, I found a beautiful game with a lot of great people as well that had a very interesting gameplay element.
Sure, the quests are absolute crap (can I say crap on TV?) and having the necros filled with bots is a pain in the neck but if a person "wants" to play this and has put himself/herself in the right attitude then it could be very worthwhile.
Gratz on the new job.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
Whoa, whoa, whoa guys I didn't mean to start anything.
I understand where both of you are coming from and even though Sorrowho's side more, both of you are right.
In the end, the thing that got me wasn't the griefers, pkers, and scammers. In fact, the majority of "actual" players I found were quite nice. The problem was finding players that were not botters or farmers. Reviews do not mention that the game is empty.
The reviews are old so they wouldn't mention the fact that the new player areas are empty. Interesting enough,. I signed in last night to help a new guy who needed help with a quest on Talking Island (human new starter area).
It seemed that, in the end, he didn't need the help as he found other new people to group with. So, they are there... you just have to find them.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
well regarding to what i read....i justw ant to say that i play Lineage2 for +3 years now, my toon is a lvl +77 bladedancer with sub necromancer lvl 54. and i never used bots or even ebayed for items or money game. my point is: NOT ALL bot or ebayat L2.Also as someone said b4 , if u think in L2 is like a mmo like WoW (wich u can get max lvl in 1 month)just forget it. L2 is brutal ,hard world with no compassion for no one,and is the game that neevr ends as well. but what can i say..i neevr found a game with so potencial in PvP based in clan allies PvP.For instance i reached max lvl at Lotro in 2 months...2months in L2 u get on lvl 40. it took me 2 years to get my toon on lvl 77 and with top gear and armor.L2 is a great game ...just is NOT an easy and fast game.
thats all guys
p.s. sorry for my english
not my motherlanguage
L2*Erica BladeDancer 77/Necromancer 54
complete pile of steam horse excrement.
Downloaded it, tried it out and just wanted to format my PC - thats how mind numbing this game is. For a non rpg person no doubt it has some fun elements.
Most of the players prefer a PvP orientated grind fest but I found the game a total turn off. Got to level 20 and thought hold on, I have been doing the same **** over and over... rinse and repeat.
Graphically its not all that, the character models are highly detailed and there are lots of (too many) light fantastic special effects going on but when you look at the game environment it's blocky, textures are of a poor quality over stretched (and I had the graphics on max everything) i.e dated (sure you can bump up the res really high but that doesn't hide a crap environment).
If anyone has tried the many other mmorpg games currently cropping up he/she will realise they are all based on the same dated game engine i.e L2 = Zu Online = Rappel = Archlord = DAOC (to DAOC defense, it came out a long time ago and what it lacked it made up for with great PvP and some nice rpg elements).
WoW has a great game engine to boot, just not much in the way of diverse content, instead focusing primarily on pvp and raiding.
Each to their own though, the games out there are popular like L2 for a reason as they cater for a particular taste - not everyone will agree on the samething but then your not forced to play L2 if you don't like it!
Calling ppls opinions horse excrement based on your own opinions is not only antagonistic, inviting flames, but poor online etiquette as well.
Aside from the difference of opinon between Sorrowho and Sovrath, which is quite longstanding
I might add, they are arguing core issues as affected their game play. I don't think you fully understand what they're talking about based on what you posted as your reasons for not liking L2. To criticise a game on the basis of a 1% exposure and I am being generous here by giving you that 1% , since the amount of time and effort required these days to reach lv20 is on par with getting XP just for discovering new areas of the map in WoW, and is not only inisignificant, but phrased as you have done so simply inflamatory.
I find it amusing that you seem to imply that repeating things ad nauseum is somehow unique to L2 ? If you are suggesting that combat takes place too quickly to fully enjoy your button clicking experience such as that which I enjoyed in EQ1 for eg, then yes, time to state the bleeding obvious, combat is much quicker as the focus is on a different risk vs reward model, than that of EQ1 or WoW. L2's economy is based on a very fickle and low random probability reward for the risk, therefore you have to repeat the process as often as possible. Its just statistical variation as opposed to the fight longer for the same XP and a higher reward chance model of EQ2, WoW or VG even. You may not like it, infact many ppl don't but its there for a reason.
If you prefer the other models of EQ1, 2 and VG perhaps where combat is purposefully extended so that you have a longer time to play with skills then so be it. Again L2 has its skills and combat does extend but again its a choice which is available later and is based on the type of XP/Raid encounter you may be looking for...
Irrespective of which system you prefer, that is all you do is ANY MMO which is XP/progression is earnt/achieved through the repetitive killing of mobs yielding and XP/Hr curve... This is why, regardless of MMO, there is always a never ending search to increase DPS and everything is DPS focused in order to attain maximum efficiency. Even in EQ1 we could do AoE parties which consisted of camping rooms and sweeping mobs to an AoE Caster frenzy which had to be quick or risk death based on that game engine combat system. Again that was repeated ad nauseum. Nothing new here I assure you.
Had you played long enough you might have actually understood the reason for L2's combat engine as it relates to the END GAME something you would have had to experience to criticise, however, lets not let this fact get in the way of a good rant eh ?
In closing, you have framed your argument poorly to say the least, your inexperience and a lack of understanding of L2 should preclude you from criticism of the game but again you're not the first to do so and everyone is entitled to their opinion on a subject regardless of how misguided it may be... just read the press or get involved in political debate to find ample examples, but I digress...
I simply find it astounding that you can trash the opinions of players vastly more experienced in the game than yourself on the basis of what amounts to nothing more than hearsay and idle gossip since from what I can gather by your post your actual knowledge of L2 ammounts to a dislike of graphics....
Well done sir, you have earnt yourself the right be called a BoardWarrior. Huzzah !
Regards,
Ellyrion Fiallathandriel
The Reckless Knight
Lunatris
An intelligent reply!
Thank you for the reply, as I said "It caters for a particular taste". I am a victim of expectation i.e I played something like WoW and so I expect the same well developed game environment.
However I am not a fan of the WoW, the actualy game play is very shallow and the end game is repetitive to say the least. L2 just didn't bite for me, I was expecting a well developed game engine but found the game engine to be based on a dated one.
For the hardcore players I fully appreciate the game has some depth (after all many of my friends play L2 to death) but for newcomers it can put them off very quickly. Too far east games are coming out that are focused on providing special effects, lots of 'blinged' up armor/power ups however the game environment doesn't help promote a sense of immersion.
I have not discounted L2 however, I will go back to the game sometime in the near future. As you mention the end-game this has got me curious so I will probably use a friends account who is quite a high level, this should allow me to explore the game a little more.
End of the day though we now have some very capable hardware out there and games should be taking advantage of this fact. Agreed games like L2, DOAC, EQ1 etc came out well before WoW made any headway in the mmorpg community but it would be nice to see some updates that improve the game environment.
I play mmorpg's to escape from the humdrum of daily life, doing a 9 to 5 job you want something to escape into and it should provide an instant hook, L2 didn't provide that for me but I am realising each game is different i.e the community varies from game to game.
Thank for the title, *blushing*... I am honored, yes my comment was a bit harsh but then I had just finished trying out another mmorpg game that turned out to be a joke so I was a bit frustrated. So my humble apologies to the L2 community, I was out of order with my comments.
Maybe L3 will cater for people like me, providing the type of game immersion and role playing I am after?
He hit it right on the head, i played Lineage 2 for 3 and a half years on Seighardt. The grind is horrible and yeah its to late to start. Im waiting for Aion also, id say check that game out and hopefully Aion wont make the mistakes Lineage 2 made.
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Waiting to play: Aion
Games played: Lineage, Lineage 2, WoW, Guild Wars, City of Heroes, Archlord, Espa Grenada
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hmm.. i am still wondering if i should start L2.. i played wow for 3 years i think.. and has got bored from it now tbh.. But when is this new Aion comming anyone?
i mean any estimated time or something?
thanks