Well...I am a WARHAMMER fan in case anyone has a doubt...
But I experience more humanity and kindess on the Vanguard forums...
I will go for now...but it is pretty hard, for a Warhammer fan, to dismiss a game that put a huge part of it component into PvE, yet that didn't ensure to make sure it is FUN for the PvEers in the long run...
PS: Beside CoV, name me 1 MMO that doesn't force me to either PvP or Raid? Yeah, they pretty much all lack that much and always enforce either or both. I love CoV...but...I overplay it...I need a change...
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-Paul at Gamesday Baltimore The real answer is more nuanced, but given your response this should be good enough.
I don't know if I like to PvP or not. I do know that I don't like to HAVE to PvP.
Which is exactly what the game is doing atm, by giving best reward by razing the enemy capital.
As to sending players away...the PvE market is HUGE. If you are a female or over 35, don't play WAR (slight exageration, but not much). Not asking for much. Not asking for any change in the design or whatever, just asking to be FREE from PvP, totally, if I feel unsafe to PvP.
I think you are laboring under a false assumption. Just because raid gear in DAOC/WoW/EQ/EQ2 has a large effect on their PvP does not mean the reverse must be true.
Why? Because PvP is inherently competitive, PvE is not. Now it is possible that PvP gear could make some PvE content trivial, but that is a different issue. In fact it is one that often solves itself because the people who have good stuff rarely want to do trivial activities.
So for ToA in DAOC for example the high powered PvE gear introduced a rat race. But the reverse in DAOC would at worst produce farming. And since the difficulty of PvE encounters is designed ahead of time, the usefulness of highpowered items is completely controlable. But the PvP gear rat race is dynamic, not static like PvE encounters. See, it is substantively different. I am not saying there are no problems that occurr, but what I am saying is that the character of the problems are completely different.
And more to the point having a PvE only server will not really solve anything. Who cares if someone has the best weapon in the game from a capital city raid? What is he gonna do with it in PvE? Run people through instances that are much easier? Who cares?
Now if PvE encounters are balanced with the top end PvP gear in mind then there could be a problem. I hope Mythic isn't that dumb.
I will go for now...but it is pretty hard, for a Warhammer fan, to dismiss a game that put a huge part of it component into PvE, yet that didn't ensure to make sure it is FUN for the PvEers in the long run...
Why wouldn't it be fun for PvEers in the long run? Just because someone out there has better gear? I think you're unnecessarily chaining fun to a wrongly supported sense of equality.
Let's use CoV as an example, since you play that game. There ARE raids. Hamidon Enhancements are better than whatever enhancement you can come up with in your villainous career. Some people can afford the crazy-ass Rare Invention Sets, but most can't, or most don't have the time to get a full set within a relatively short time. I have a character that's almost fully Hami-O'd. Do I opaque everyone else when in teams? Do people see my character with scorn because my powers are a fraction more efficient? Do I ruin everyone else's fun?
You guessed it. The answer is a global no. Now apply the same to WAR, because its devs are smart people, and they have probably tested a lot of the systems out there in order to configure their own, and the best "middle point" is that of the best gear having more of an impact upon the player who carries it than the players surrounding him or her and the game world itself.
Well...I am a WARHAMMER fan in case anyone has a doubt...
But I experience more humanity and kindess on the Vanguard forums...
I will go for now...but it is pretty hard, for a Warhammer fan, to dismiss a game that put a huge part of it component into PvE, yet that didn't ensure to make sure it is FUN for the PvEers in the long run...
PS: Beside CoV, name me 1 MMO that doesn't force me to either PvP or Raid? Yeah, they pretty much all lack that much and always enforce either or both. I love CoV...but...I overplay it...I need a change...
This will be a fun game for PvEers, unless your idea of PvE is to grind raid dungeons every day killing the same raid bosses every day to get the best gear only to kill harder raid bosses only to get the next set of gear.
Besides that, WAR will have tons of fun PvE
Originally posted by Anofalye
I don't know if I like to PvP or not. I do know that I don't like to HAVE to PvP.
Which is exactly what the game is doing atm, by giving best reward by razing the enemy capital.
As to sending players away...the PvE market is HUGE. If you are a female or over 35, don't play WAR (slight exageration, but not much). Not asking for much. Not asking for any change in the design or whatever, just asking to be FREE from PvP, totally, if I feel unsafe to PvP.
You don’t know if you like it, yet you do know that if you have to do it you won’t like it? Well then WAR is the place to find out because you don’t have to do it.
The best loot, w/e the loot isn’t going to be like other games because of PvP, sure the best PvPers will be slightly stronger but it cannot be unbalancing so they cannot be a lot stronger like in other games. Also the best PvPers will hardly PvE if they don’t have to so you shouldn't worry that they will get your spots in a PvE group.
Also if you don’t know if you like PvP then why do you know you don’t want to play a game with it....
Also vanguard people are nicer because they are mostly carebare also, just hard core carebears.
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tapeworm did put it in a better way and i am being rude because if you read this forum its full of people who just hate on this game and its frustrating. but onto my point. have you watched any of the podcasts? have you read any of the interviews? my answer is you may have watched 1 or 2 and may have read probably fewer interviews. my point is that if you have watched these podcasts and read these interviews you would know that this game is FULL of PvE content. over 300 public quests. thats just the PUBLIC quests. not including your tome of knowledge and not including kill collectors or the chapters. as tapeworm said and paull barnett and hickman, you can get to level/rank 40 without ever stepping foot into a PvP scenario or PvP area. but where is the fun in that when the ENTIRE game is based off you killing the opposing faction for the better of your city and not to mention the rewards that you are going to get out of that. i think one of the coolest parts of the game is the looting of dead PC's. i dunno if other games have that but ive never seen it and i think its an awesome idea. basically im saying take the time to look into something before you make a completely absurd statement.
I also knows that PvE groups will pick peoples geared with Capital-razing gear over peoples that doesn't.
This is problematic, it has to be resolve. The PvE part is appealing, but not when the PvEers can't be masters at it.
I am sorry Anofayle this logic is flawed. In WoW a group of level 40's will chose a level 60 over another level 40. So what? Not that many level 60's take the time for charity like this and certainly don't compete for level 40 groups. Same with Naxx geared guys helping out other levels 60's in Dire Maul back before TBC was out. And similarly you rarely had Naxx raiders join random DM pick up groups except to just screw around.
I will grant you that there is a potential problem if they balance PvE stuff with PvP gear (no matter what the gear gap is)., but if they balance based on PvE gear it is not really a problem.
What is the point of running all the PvE on easy mode? There isn't any except maybe to farm gold or farm levels, which you can do via level disparity anyway. Farming top end PvE items is stupid since its a waste of time (except for gold). You could farm PvP for better items.
The only argument is if the do some kind of uber PvE instance that is balanced with PvP. Being "better" only matters when there is competition. Such as PvP or the silly PvE endgame race of WoW/EQ. Since there will be no PvE endgame race, why would some one who is overgeared for PvE botehr competing for spots in runs that do nothing for them? They won't it would be like sidekicking in CoX.. In fact its quite possible having PvP guys along gets you gear faster since they don't need to roll on items.
I will go for now...but it is pretty hard, for a Warhammer fan, to dismiss a game that put a huge part of it component into PvE, yet that didn't ensure to make sure it is FUN for the PvEers in the long run...
Why wouldn't it be fun for PvEers in the long run? Just because someone out there has better gear? I think you're unnecessarily chaining fun to a wrongly supported sense of equality.
Let's use CoV as an example, since you play that game. There ARE raids. Hamidon Enhancements are better than whatever enhancement you can come up with in your villainous career. Some people can afford the crazy-ass Rare Invention Sets, but most can't, or most don't have the time to get a full set within a relatively short time. I have a character that's almost fully Hami-O'd. Do I opaque everyone else when in teams? Do people see my character with scorn because my powers are a fraction more efficient? Do I ruin everyone else's fun?
You guessed it. The answer is a global no. Now apply the same to WAR, because its devs are smart people, and they have probably tested a lot of the systems out there in order to configure their own, and the best "middle point" is that of the best gear having more of an impact upon the player who carries it than the players surrounding him or her and the game world itself.
In CoV, Hamidon enhancements are earnable in RSF and STF as well (Grouping encounters, much more challenging then any raid, but that would be another topic). So raiders are not better in groups, since groupers get the fully Hami-O'd, just like I did.
And yes, been fully decked in HOs, peoples want me a LOT more then someone who wasn't. I saw and experience the difference, first hand. It was as in EQ, but to a much lesser degree, and this time, I was in the "he have" group.
Loot is necessary. Without the proper loot, the game isn't fun for any group of players that miss it. In the long run, the PvEers can't enjoy the game, they are peasant, subpar toon to be your servants and drooling in front of you, cause this is what they are.
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I have to disagree with some of the posters here. The game will not be "all about PvP." It's being designed to incorporate both - anyone who refuses to take part in PvP will level slower and miss out on a lot of game content; anyone who refuses to take part in PvE will level slower and miss out on a lot of game content. They've said it again and again - you can level either way, but you'll be better off and have more fun doing both. PvE servers will never exist for the same reason that FFA servers will never exist - both ideas run completely counter to the fundamental design of the game. People who hate PvE won't like the fact that boss mobs are being included in the PvP areas and necessary to completing city sieges in order to get all that cool gear. People who hate PvP will hate the fact that those boss mobs are going to be defended by enemy players with a public quest to keep them safe. WAR isn't about either - it's about making them both part of a meaningful model of realm vs. realm competition.
I will go for now...but it is pretty hard, for a Warhammer fan, to dismiss a game that put a huge part of it component into PvE, yet that didn't ensure to make sure it is FUN for the PvEers in the long run...
I really don’t see what you are thinking.
This game is BOTH and I mean BOTH PvP and PvE you don’t have to do both, but it should be a lot more enjoyable to do both.
I have no idea why you don’t want to PvP at all, especially in this game which is basically as carebare you can get with a PvP system and still have it being fun.
There is no harm in PvPing here. Unless your self esteem is to low, but it cant be because you can take everyone here thinking your crazy and have no idea what you are trying to do by posting this irrelevant PvE crap.
This game will be fun for you with PvP and PvE, just try it when it comes out and stop complaining about something you apparently have no idea about.
loot = PvE fun? that’s retarded. PvE is fun in MMOs because of other people.
Then again in my sig it shows how much I care about loot so I could be wrong.
Any way I think you should stop your PvE fanboy crap and just open up to the idea that PvP can be fun, or go to another game.
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I will go for now...but it is pretty hard, for a Warhammer fan, to dismiss a game that put a huge part of it component into PvE, yet that didn't ensure to make sure it is FUN for the PvEers in the long run...
Why wouldn't it be fun for PvEers in the long run? Just because someone out there has better gear? I think you're unnecessarily chaining fun to a wrongly supported sense of equality.
Let's use CoV as an example, since you play that game. There ARE raids. Hamidon Enhancements are better than whatever enhancement you can come up with in your villainous career. Some people can afford the crazy-ass Rare Invention Sets, but most can't, or most don't have the time to get a full set within a relatively short time. I have a character that's almost fully Hami-O'd. Do I opaque everyone else when in teams? Do people see my character with scorn because my powers are a fraction more efficient? Do I ruin everyone else's fun?
You guessed it. The answer is a global no. Now apply the same to WAR, because its devs are smart people, and they have probably tested a lot of the systems out there in order to configure their own, and the best "middle point" is that of the best gear having more of an impact upon the player who carries it than the players surrounding him or her and the game world itself.
In CoV, Hamidon enhancements are earnable in RSF and STF as well (Grouping encounters, much more challenging then any raid, but that would be another topic). So raiders are not better in groups, since groupers get the fully Hami-O'd, just like I did.
And yes, been fully decked in HOs, peoples want me a LOT more then someone who wasn't. I saw and experience the difference, first hand. It was as in EQ, but to a much lesser degree, and this time, I was in the "he have" group.
Loot is necessary. Without the proper loot, the game isn't fun for any group of players that miss it. In the long run, the PvEers can't enjoy the game, they are peasant, subpar toon to be your servants and drooling in front of you, cause this is what they are.
Anoflyle, the reason I gave you such a short answer is because your concept of MMOs (as seen in other posts) is a heavily gear dependent rat race achiever viewpoint. You want to have the best gear, and not just because it is the best to do the content with, but also because it is better then everyone elses. I find that a little strange, since PvE content is the area of the game where relative strength really isn't important to defeating an encounter that requires a static level a strength, but I digress. Basically, as I think you've said yourself, rewards = everything to you.
It isn't that WAR isn't going to have PvE content. There is going to be a ton of PvE content. Quests, instances, lore, storyline. The new public quests, if they work out well, could be the most innovative PvE content in awhile. Thier instances could certainly be cool. The content itself could be quite fun, and many PvPers will still participate in it because it is entertaining in its own right.
However, it won't have the best loot. This has been made plainly clear. They have repeatedly said they have power gamers. They don't want people grinding through thier content, skipping as much as they can, just trying to get the most levels and the best stuff. You will not be able to PvE grind yourself the best gear and then stand around watching people admire your tier X armor.
So for you specifically, I don't recommend the game.
I don't understand why people want PvE servers on an obviously PvP centered game. If you don't like PvP there are plenty of PvE centered mmorpg to choose from.
It's like buying Teletubbies adventure or something and then complaining you can't kill people with a chainsaw in it....
As has already been stated, you can play PVE in WAR without participating in PvP at all. My question is: Why would you want to? You'd only be playing half of the game . . . or less.
I don't think you will ever see a dedicated PVE server of any type in this game. The devs had said numerous times that WAR is about conflict. If you've watched any of the podcasts or read any of the interviews, it is readily apparent that they were not kidding about the "conflict" part. Sure, you can PvE your way through the game, but it is obvious that Mythic is pushing PvP.
I'm also quite sure that making a PvE server would be a rather difficult task . . . and an expensive one. You are, quite honestly, the only person that I have ever seen seriously pose a PvE server question. This is important for one reason - you are the vast minority. People understand that WAR is about conflict. It might not be the right game for you, but it's looking to be the right game for so many.
There will be only one type of server, as it should be. My guess is it will appear on the list as normal. I don't know how many times the devs have to say it or in how many different ways that have to say it, but no one is FORCED to PVE. No one is FORCED to PVP. You can do either or both in ANY amounts at ANY time in your career, BUT both contribute to RVR.
I thought I heard in the last podcast or one of the interviews that PVE will be an important aspect of the game. However that being said its not going to be the MAIN aspect of the game like it is in EQ2 and WoW, where PVP is just thrown in as an after thought. Pve'rs will also contribute to the war effort by doing quests and what not.
and im sure there will be plenty of quests to do that give you good loot and to be honest i dont see successful city seiges happening too often.
Look at DAOC that game was built around PVP as well and they still had quite a bit of PVE content in it. As long as the content isnt like ToA im sure people will be ok with plenty of PVE content as well as PVP. Ah who am i kidding with these PVP kiddies they will probably whine about it.
PVE server is not need sorry there will be plenty of PVE on regular servers.
It's mainly the people that want to play in the Warhammer world but are scared to fight against other players. Like people that collect the minatures and never play a battle encase they lose. So they want PvE servers where they can whack AI's all day for l33t Geerz and phat lootz.
Adn you can do so at WARs normal Servers. So where's the Problem?
There is going to be lots of PvE and PvP in this game, its your choice on each, but all server will not be lie WoW with the PvE or PvP choice, you chose if you Fight or Don't, you can help with the zone control from both, yes more will be gained by PvP but that is just how it should be, killing a living player is always harder than killing Computer AI anyone that plays FPS's knows this.
The best way to answer this question is to tell you to watch the pod casts, mostly the latests ones on Quests and the Zone Control aspect this will put your mind at rest.
Yes there will be great Gear for people that only want to PvE.
Simply put: The servers are all-in-one You can go all the way to cap without meeting an enemy player, no problem You can also do lots of PvE to help out in end-game
There's Possibly going to be Normal and RP servers, but the rest is already covered. Noone's forcing anyone to do anything so don't worry.
And as a sidenote I just LOVE the open raids. No "zomg j00r not kewl enuff fo dis reid" crap, just charge head-first into battle and join the legion!
Played so far: 9Dragons, AO, AC, AC2, CoX, DAoC, DF, DnL, DR, DDO, Ent, EvE, EQ, EQ2, FoMK, FFO, Fury, GW, HG:L, HZ, L1, L2, M59, MU, NC1, NC2, PS, PT, R:O, RF:O, RYL, Ryzom, SL, SB, SW:G, TR, TCoS, MX:O, UO, VG, WAR, WoW... It all sucked.
Yes, they can do pve gives better pve gears and pvp gives better pvp gears. No, we dont want ppl pve farming getting better gears than ppl who pvp all day. No, we dont want to pve just to pvp like WoW.
The best Gear will come from RvR, Period. The best Crafting Materials will come from RvR, Period.
Don'T want to RvR? Don't play WAR.
If you want only PvE, go and play something else than WAR.
I will try not to sound so insulting, but i laughed very hard when i saw this thread. If you have watched any of the WAR videos release about the game then you would most likely have seen the emphasis on WAR. Not hugging and "picking flowers". Sure there will be PvE content, i stress "content". However if you are not interested in PvP at all, which is incomprehensible as grinding AI (script) really grinds my gears! Then you will be missing out on most likely 75% of the game. Anyways i don't understand why someone would not even give PvP a go in this game as it is pretty much as carebear as you can get PvP wise. It will probably be extremely fun with no emphasis on twitch combat, and an easy to use UI.
This all being repeated many a time, but if PvP isn't your you game style, then this clearly not your game and you may find a better haven in PoTBS, or Tabula Rasa. (Tabula Rasa seeming a heavy PvE game) Im not being insensitive to the casual PvE gamer, but not every good game has to have high end raids with awesome gear for non-pvp players. Let us blood thirsty maniacs cut each other to bits without having to explain this over and over.
What about having a server where all the other faction is unplayable?
EDIT: I wasn't going to ask for these, but since the best loot is by raiding the enemy capital only...now if we can work around raiding as well...
Well, one of the developers (the one with the scottish (?) accent did make the comment that this game really is for people who desire pvp though there will be pve content.
I have to applaud them on staying focused on their goal. Just like people in games like LOTRO were asking for more hardcore pvp content only to be told that there are other games out there for that, I would have to say that there are "other" games out there if you want to focus on pve content.
This is "war" hammer after all. Good Luck.
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Well...I am a WARHAMMER fan in case anyone has a doubt...
But I experience more humanity and kindess on the Vanguard forums...
I will go for now...but it is pretty hard, for a Warhammer fan, to dismiss a game that put a huge part of it component into PvE, yet that didn't ensure to make sure it is FUN for the PvEers in the long run...
PS: Beside CoV, name me 1 MMO that doesn't force me to either PvP or Raid? Yeah, they pretty much all lack that much and always enforce either or both. I love CoV...but...I overplay it...I need a change...
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
Which is exactly what the game is doing atm, by giving best reward by razing the enemy capital.
As to sending players away...the PvE market is HUGE. If you are a female or over 35, don't play WAR (slight exageration, but not much). Not asking for much. Not asking for any change in the design or whatever, just asking to be FREE from PvP, totally, if I feel unsafe to PvP.
I think you are laboring under a false assumption. Just because raid gear in DAOC/WoW/EQ/EQ2 has a large effect on their PvP does not mean the reverse must be true.
Why? Because PvP is inherently competitive, PvE is not. Now it is possible that PvP gear could make some PvE content trivial, but that is a different issue. In fact it is one that often solves itself because the people who have good stuff rarely want to do trivial activities.
So for ToA in DAOC for example the high powered PvE gear introduced a rat race. But the reverse in DAOC would at worst produce farming. And since the difficulty of PvE encounters is designed ahead of time, the usefulness of highpowered items is completely controlable. But the PvP gear rat race is dynamic, not static like PvE encounters. See, it is substantively different. I am not saying there are no problems that occurr, but what I am saying is that the character of the problems are completely different.
And more to the point having a PvE only server will not really solve anything. Who cares if someone has the best weapon in the game from a capital city raid? What is he gonna do with it in PvE? Run people through instances that are much easier? Who cares?
Now if PvE encounters are balanced with the top end PvP gear in mind then there could be a problem. I hope Mythic isn't that dumb.
Why wouldn't it be fun for PvEers in the long run? Just because someone out there has better gear? I think you're unnecessarily chaining fun to a wrongly supported sense of equality.
Let's use CoV as an example, since you play that game. There ARE raids. Hamidon Enhancements are better than whatever enhancement you can come up with in your villainous career. Some people can afford the crazy-ass Rare Invention Sets, but most can't, or most don't have the time to get a full set within a relatively short time. I have a character that's almost fully Hami-O'd. Do I opaque everyone else when in teams? Do people see my character with scorn because my powers are a fraction more efficient? Do I ruin everyone else's fun?
You guessed it. The answer is a global no. Now apply the same to WAR, because its devs are smart people, and they have probably tested a lot of the systems out there in order to configure their own, and the best "middle point" is that of the best gear having more of an impact upon the player who carries it than the players surrounding him or her and the game world itself.
This will be a fun game for PvEers, unless your idea of PvE is to grind raid dungeons every day killing the same raid bosses every day to get the best gear only to kill harder raid bosses only to get the next set of gear.
Besides that, WAR will have tons of fun PvE
You don’t know if you like it, yet you do know that if you have to do it you won’t like it? Well then WAR is the place to find out because you don’t have to do it.
The best loot, w/e the loot isn’t going to be like other games because of PvP, sure the best PvPers will be slightly stronger but it cannot be unbalancing so they cannot be a lot stronger like in other games. Also the best PvPers will hardly PvE if they don’t have to so you shouldn't worry that they will get your spots in a PvE group.
Also if you don’t know if you like PvP then why do you know you don’t want to play a game with it....
Also vanguard people are nicer because they are mostly carebare also, just hard core carebears.
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This is problematic, it has to be resolve. The PvE part is appealing, but not when the PvEers can't be masters at it.
I am sorry Anofayle this logic is flawed. In WoW a group of level 40's will chose a level 60 over another level 40. So what? Not that many level 60's take the time for charity like this and certainly don't compete for level 40 groups. Same with Naxx geared guys helping out other levels 60's in Dire Maul back before TBC was out. And similarly you rarely had Naxx raiders join random DM pick up groups except to just screw around.
I will grant you that there is a potential problem if they balance PvE stuff with PvP gear (no matter what the gear gap is)., but if they balance based on PvE gear it is not really a problem.
What is the point of running all the PvE on easy mode? There isn't any except maybe to farm gold or farm levels, which you can do via level disparity anyway. Farming top end PvE items is stupid since its a waste of time (except for gold). You could farm PvP for better items.
The only argument is if the do some kind of uber PvE instance that is balanced with PvP. Being "better" only matters when there is competition. Such as PvP or the silly PvE endgame race of WoW/EQ. Since there will be no PvE endgame race, why would some one who is overgeared for PvE botehr competing for spots in runs that do nothing for them? They won't it would be like sidekicking in CoX.. In fact its quite possible having PvP guys along gets you gear faster since they don't need to roll on items.
Why wouldn't it be fun for PvEers in the long run? Just because someone out there has better gear? I think you're unnecessarily chaining fun to a wrongly supported sense of equality.
Let's use CoV as an example, since you play that game. There ARE raids. Hamidon Enhancements are better than whatever enhancement you can come up with in your villainous career. Some people can afford the crazy-ass Rare Invention Sets, but most can't, or most don't have the time to get a full set within a relatively short time. I have a character that's almost fully Hami-O'd. Do I opaque everyone else when in teams? Do people see my character with scorn because my powers are a fraction more efficient? Do I ruin everyone else's fun?
You guessed it. The answer is a global no. Now apply the same to WAR, because its devs are smart people, and they have probably tested a lot of the systems out there in order to configure their own, and the best "middle point" is that of the best gear having more of an impact upon the player who carries it than the players surrounding him or her and the game world itself.
In CoV, Hamidon enhancements are earnable in RSF and STF as well (Grouping encounters, much more challenging then any raid, but that would be another topic). So raiders are not better in groups, since groupers get the fully Hami-O'd, just like I did.
And yes, been fully decked in HOs, peoples want me a LOT more then someone who wasn't. I saw and experience the difference, first hand. It was as in EQ, but to a much lesser degree, and this time, I was in the "he have" group.
Loot is necessary. Without the proper loot, the game isn't fun for any group of players that miss it. In the long run, the PvEers can't enjoy the game, they are peasant, subpar toon to be your servants and drooling in front of you, cause this is what they are.
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I have to disagree with some of the posters here. The game will not be "all about PvP." It's being designed to incorporate both - anyone who refuses to take part in PvP will level slower and miss out on a lot of game content; anyone who refuses to take part in PvE will level slower and miss out on a lot of game content. They've said it again and again - you can level either way, but you'll be better off and have more fun doing both. PvE servers will never exist for the same reason that FFA servers will never exist - both ideas run completely counter to the fundamental design of the game. People who hate PvE won't like the fact that boss mobs are being included in the PvP areas and necessary to completing city sieges in order to get all that cool gear. People who hate PvP will hate the fact that those boss mobs are going to be defended by enemy players with a public quest to keep them safe. WAR isn't about either - it's about making them both part of a meaningful model of realm vs. realm competition.
I really don’t see what you are thinking.
This game is BOTH and I mean BOTH PvP and PvE you don’t have to do both, but it should be a lot more enjoyable to do both.
I have no idea why you don’t want to PvP at all, especially in this game which is basically as carebare you can get with a PvP system and still have it being fun.
There is no harm in PvPing here. Unless your self esteem is to low, but it cant be because you can take everyone here thinking your crazy and have no idea what you are trying to do by posting this irrelevant PvE crap.
This game will be fun for you with PvP and PvE, just try it when it comes out and stop complaining about something you apparently have no idea about.
loot = PvE fun? that’s retarded. PvE is fun in MMOs because of other people.
Then again in my sig it shows how much I care about loot so I could be wrong.
Any way I think you should stop your PvE fanboy crap and just open up to the idea that PvP can be fun, or go to another game.
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Why wouldn't it be fun for PvEers in the long run? Just because someone out there has better gear? I think you're unnecessarily chaining fun to a wrongly supported sense of equality.
Let's use CoV as an example, since you play that game. There ARE raids. Hamidon Enhancements are better than whatever enhancement you can come up with in your villainous career. Some people can afford the crazy-ass Rare Invention Sets, but most can't, or most don't have the time to get a full set within a relatively short time. I have a character that's almost fully Hami-O'd. Do I opaque everyone else when in teams? Do people see my character with scorn because my powers are a fraction more efficient? Do I ruin everyone else's fun?
You guessed it. The answer is a global no. Now apply the same to WAR, because its devs are smart people, and they have probably tested a lot of the systems out there in order to configure their own, and the best "middle point" is that of the best gear having more of an impact upon the player who carries it than the players surrounding him or her and the game world itself.
In CoV, Hamidon enhancements are earnable in RSF and STF as well (Grouping encounters, much more challenging then any raid, but that would be another topic). So raiders are not better in groups, since groupers get the fully Hami-O'd, just like I did.
And yes, been fully decked in HOs, peoples want me a LOT more then someone who wasn't. I saw and experience the difference, first hand. It was as in EQ, but to a much lesser degree, and this time, I was in the "he have" group.
Loot is necessary. Without the proper loot, the game isn't fun for any group of players that miss it. In the long run, the PvEers can't enjoy the game, they are peasant, subpar toon to be your servants and drooling in front of you, cause this is what they are.
Anoflyle, the reason I gave you such a short answer is because your concept of MMOs (as seen in other posts) is a heavily gear dependent rat race achiever viewpoint. You want to have the best gear, and not just because it is the best to do the content with, but also because it is better then everyone elses. I find that a little strange, since PvE content is the area of the game where relative strength really isn't important to defeating an encounter that requires a static level a strength, but I digress. Basically, as I think you've said yourself, rewards = everything to you.
It isn't that WAR isn't going to have PvE content. There is going to be a ton of PvE content. Quests, instances, lore, storyline. The new public quests, if they work out well, could be the most innovative PvE content in awhile. Thier instances could certainly be cool. The content itself could be quite fun, and many PvPers will still participate in it because it is entertaining in its own right.
However, it won't have the best loot. This has been made plainly clear. They have repeatedly said they have power gamers. They don't want people grinding through thier content, skipping as much as they can, just trying to get the most levels and the best stuff. You will not be able to PvE grind yourself the best gear and then stand around watching people admire your tier X armor.
So for you specifically, I don't recommend the game.
I don't understand why people want PvE servers on an obviously PvP centered game. If you don't like PvP there are plenty of PvE centered mmorpg to choose from.
It's like buying Teletubbies adventure or something and then complaining you can't kill people with a chainsaw in it....
I don't think you will ever see a dedicated PVE server of any type in this game. The devs had said numerous times that WAR is about conflict. If you've watched any of the podcasts or read any of the interviews, it is readily apparent that they were not kidding about the "conflict" part. Sure, you can PvE your way through the game, but it is obvious that Mythic is pushing PvP.
I'm also quite sure that making a PvE server would be a rather difficult task . . . and an expensive one. You are, quite honestly, the only person that I have ever seen seriously pose a PvE server question. This is important for one reason - you are the vast minority. People understand that WAR is about conflict. It might not be the right game for you, but it's looking to be the right game for so many.
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There will be only one type of server, as it should be. My guess is it will appear on the list as normal. I don't know how many times the devs have to say it or in how many different ways that have to say it, but no one is FORCED to PVE. No one is FORCED to PVP. You can do either or both in ANY amounts at ANY time in your career, BUT both contribute to RVR.
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I thought I heard in the last podcast or one of the interviews that PVE will be an important aspect of the game. However that being said its not going to be the MAIN aspect of the game like it is in EQ2 and WoW, where PVP is just thrown in as an after thought. Pve'rs will also contribute to the war effort by doing quests and what not.
and im sure there will be plenty of quests to do that give you good loot and to be honest i dont see successful city seiges happening too often.
Look at DAOC that game was built around PVP as well and they still had quite a bit of PVE content in it. As long as the content isnt like ToA im sure people will be ok with plenty of PVE content as well as PVP. Ah who am i kidding with these PVP kiddies they will probably whine about it.
PVE server is not need sorry there will be plenty of PVE on regular servers.
Adn you can do so at WARs normal Servers. So where's the Problem?
There is going to be lots of PvE and PvP in this game, its your choice on each, but all server will not be lie WoW with the PvE or PvP choice, you chose if you Fight or Don't, you can help with the zone control from both, yes more will be gained by PvP but that is just how it should be, killing a living player is always harder than killing Computer AI anyone that plays FPS's knows this.
The best way to answer this question is to tell you to watch the pod casts, mostly the latests ones on Quests and the Zone Control aspect this will put your mind at rest.
Yes there will be great Gear for people that only want to PvE.
Yes, but the best Gear will come from Capitol City raiding (note: Not Raiding as in 40-man raiding, but more in 250vs.250 mass war carnage fun
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Simply put: The servers are all-in-one
You can go all the way to cap without meeting an enemy player, no problem
You can also do lots of PvE to help out in end-game
There's Possibly going to be Normal and RP servers, but the rest is already covered.
Noone's forcing anyone to do anything so don't worry.
And as a sidenote I just LOVE the open raids.
No "zomg j00r not kewl enuff fo dis reid" crap, just charge head-first into battle and join the legion!
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Yes, they can do pve gives better pve gears and pvp gives better pvp gears.
No, we dont want ppl pve farming getting better gears than ppl who pvp all day.
No, we dont want to pve just to pvp like WoW.
The best Gear will come from RvR, Period. The best Crafting Materials will come from RvR, Period.
Don'T want to RvR? Don't play WAR.
If you want only PvE, go and play something else than WAR.
I will try not to sound so insulting, but i laughed very hard when i saw this thread. If you have watched any of the WAR videos release about the game then you would most likely have seen the emphasis on WAR. Not hugging and "picking flowers". Sure there will be PvE content, i stress "content". However if you are not interested in PvP at all, which is incomprehensible as grinding AI (script) really grinds my gears!
Then you will be missing out on most likely 75% of the game. Anyways i don't understand why someone would not even give PvP a go in this game as it is pretty much as carebear as you can get PvP wise. It will probably be extremely fun with no emphasis on twitch combat, and an easy to use UI.
This all being repeated many a time, but if PvP isn't your you game style, then this clearly not your game and you may find a better haven in PoTBS, or Tabula Rasa. (Tabula Rasa seeming a heavy PvE game) Im not being insensitive to the casual PvE gamer, but not every good game has to have high end raids with awesome gear for non-pvp players. Let us blood thirsty maniacs cut each other to bits without having to explain this over and over.
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Well, one of the developers (the one with the scottish (?) accent did make the comment that this game really is for people who desire pvp though there will be pve content.
I have to applaud them on staying focused on their goal. Just like people in games like LOTRO were asking for more hardcore pvp content only to be told that there are other games out there for that, I would have to say that there are "other" games out there if you want to focus on pve content.
This is "war" hammer after all. Good Luck.
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Paul Barnett is English! or.. British! something like that. yeah, if you don't like War, and WAAAGH'S! why play. really. why play.
You would be correct if you were indeed under that impression. Straight from Jeff and Paul's mouths.
But thats not to say, that one guy with all armor and a weapon won't beat up a guy with out armor one on one.
RvR scenarios? Yes it is.
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Yeah.. I do not see that happening. Ever.