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anubisss
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WAR is a RVR-PVP-PVE game in that order and no amount of moaning and bitching about why you cant grind the fuck out of an instance time and time again is going to change that..PVE is part of the RVR experience and EVERY quests you do has something to do with the war effort.Even 2 of the Raid instances are RVR just like DARKNESS FALLS in DAOC.So
even while you are trying to take out that top boss me and my boyz can come and take him off ya lol.The best items will come from RVR capitol city raids so fucking live with it or participate.
Paul Barnett has already stated that MYHIC DONT HAVE TO PLZ EVERYONE and WAR is about WAR-RVR plain and simple.When your toon is born into the WARHAMMER world you are born in the middle of a never ending WAR.There will be no opening new instance with the enemy or gathering fuck up resources to help the other-sides WAR effort lol.
A Quote from Paul should remind you moaning PVEs that Mythic can do what they want and still have potentially the best game out there catering to people who like a real challenge instead of some fuck up NPC incounter.
Quote="One of the things we had to decide early on is..." Paul muses, "well, our game is Warhammer. It's not farm-hammer. It's not making-T-shirts-hammer. It's not dancing-hammer. It's Warhammer. Therefore, though there are these elements in other games, it's not of much interest to us. And that's difficult, because we have this obsession with 'Don't you have to appeal to all these different game styles?' And in short, no, you don't. Pick a great idea - War - and then realise that idea in the most wondrous way you can.
WAR IS COMING
Ghost Squad
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Finally, PvE that is PvP related. I'm glad to read the clarification of the PvE gameplay is going to be PvP related because I don't think I can handle anymore go kill 10 rats and collect pig innards for aunt betsy's special liver pie or some bullshit like that. This game will be a major success for us PvP lovers who want a PvP war if WAR delivers on its promises.
WAR--Hunting season draws closer. Get Ready.
WAR IS COMING
Ghost Squad
I only play mmo's or any online game, fps, rts or classic rpg style for the PvP! PvE means very little to me and I cant grind to save my life, its just never fun. So I am immensly looking forward to WAR.
However I think anyone who has played mmo's for any deent period of time will tell you, PvP whores who pay to play are a minority. PvP only games always remain niche, sub numbers quite low and some don't make it past the first few months. As a result its okay for them to say 'We only do WAR' and that PvP is the only thing in the game, but how long will this remain the case when the PvE'ers boycott after the first month and subs drop to under 50k because I just don't see EA being happy with that.
Still here's to hoping the game is good enough to keep everyone happy and playing because PvP gets stale killing the same n00bs over and over.
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Will there be any loot options from PVP?........I don't think Ive seen an mmorpg with loot options from pvp since EQ1...and of course...after around 3 years of players crying......the looting option from pvp was eventually disabled.....which of course is the reason I could no longer play.......soo......any info on this would be great ! Or maybe some info on a game that already exists or is coming out that will have pvp+item/coin loot.
You will not lose Gold or Items when you die in PvP.
However, you _can_ loot from Players you killed.
"Huh? isn't that contradictory?" you might ask, here's how it works: Upon dieing in PvP, your Dead Body is considered somewhat as a normal Dead Mob, meaning loot is created for your enemies to take. This loot however, has nothing to do with your items or inventory, the only thing you'll lose in PvP is Time. But if you win in PvP, you gain XP, Loot, Gold, and gain some Victory Points for your Realm and some Renown Points for yourself (for Titles, Realm Ranks, maybe special RvR Skills, who knows?)
In a sense when you are PvPing you will be farming. When you kill a player its the same rewards as a mob money, loot, experience etc.... For me this is awesome I would much rather level and gear up killing players than mobs. Hurry up with this game!
Not to forget that there'll also be Quests ala "Kill 20 enemy players", so you'll be Question as well ;-)
AND you have the added bonus of not losing anything when you die
Not to forget that there'll also be Quests ala "Kill 20 enemy players", so you'll be Question as well ;-)
AND you have the added bonus of not losing anything when you die
You will not lose Gold or Items when you die in PvP.
However, you _can_ loot from Players you killed.
"Huh? isn't that contradictory?" you might ask, here's how it works: Upon dieing in PvP, your Dead Body is considered somewhat as a normal Dead Mob, meaning loot is created for your enemies to take. This loot however, has nothing to do with your items or inventory, the only thing you'll lose in PvP is Time. But if you win in PvP, you gain XP, Loot, Gold, and gain some Victory Points for your Realm and some Renown Points for yourself (for Titles, Realm Ranks, maybe special RvR Skills, who knows?)
You sure about this? In DAOC's FFA PVP server there is definitely a penalty for dying, in fact, it cost me about 2.5 gold per death to visit a healer and get my lost con restored. (Can't recall if RVR players had same penalty). Well, nothing says they have to put a similar system in WAR, but I would think they'd want to penalize you something besides time....
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You need to get out more, Shadowbane had decent looting options, EVE has full loot in PVP, L2 has looting as do some other games as well.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Well unless I misunderstood multiple Dev Interviews etc., yes, I'm pretty sure about this.
I remember the Mythic Staff saying: "The only penalty to losing in PvP will be time" multiple times.
Now of course, this is suspect to change as it's early Beta, but I never heard some other plans from the Mythic staff.
I'm glad the PvP fans finally get a game geared toward them. But the OP's post reminds me of the early community of Vanguard: elitist and hostile
. Whether you realize it or not, WAR will be a niche game if it caters solely to the PvP crowd. Which is fine, nothing wrong with niche games. But a game filled with people exhibiting the same attitude the OP is here, will more likely run more people off than it brings in.
Just my $.02. Enjoy your game.
your two cents smells like poo.
In WAr if you go to lower rvr open areas a chicken (REALLY) appers above your head and your massively debuffed (so that those lower level toons can and will kill you) ....
You have poopy cents.
That and public quest are the best quests ever ...
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
I'm glad the PvP fans finally get a game geared toward them. But the OP's post reminds me of the early community of Vanguard: elitist and hostile
. Whether you realize it or not, WAR will be a niche game if it caters solely to the PvP crowd. Which is fine, nothing wrong with niche games. But a game filled with people exhibiting the same attitude the OP is here, will more likely run more people off than it brings in.
Just my $.02. Enjoy your game.
Hmmm..its like talking to a brickwall?let me say this one last time..WAR HAS GOT PVE IN IT AND IT IS NOT SOLOELY A RVR-PVP GAME..there you should be able to read that.I am not anti PVE lol i played UO-EQ1-EQ2-DAOC-WOW-VANGUARD and many other so i my experience with PVE is probably better than yours.My point is that WAR is RVR-PVP-PVE just like DAOC RVR(you should give the 14day trail whirl)and people need to get it into there heads.
Mythic are not going to change anything to appease the masses so you can join the club or go else where for that TOTAL PVE experience.For me RVR-PVP is the best gaming experience out there and nothing i have ever come across in mmorpg gives me the same pleasure as fighting a losing battle and winning against other LIKE minded players.
Just my £.02.pence(i am english).Yeah i will enjoy the game..thx
WAR IS COMING
Ghost Squad
Hmmm..its like talking to a brickwall?let me say this one last time..WAR HAS GOT PVE IN IT AND IT IS NOT SOLOELY A RVR-PVP GAME..there you should be able to read that.Because a PvPer is excited about a PvP game, he should be labeled a ganker?
I wont Quote you because its will look like a spam attack.Did you not read about the ganking system and about how you get debuffed.Going into a lower zone to gank is like handing your ass to the enemy on a plate,they will kill you.
You accused me of being an elitist and expect me to sit back and take it.You really have nothing to say as we have covered the Ganking and that WAR will have PVE of which everyone on these forums is aware of except you.
You should really do your homework before you have a debate,it helps if you know what you are talking about.
WAR IS COMING
Ghost Squad
Because a PvPer is excited about a PvP game, he should be labeled a ganker?
PvP'ers are not all gankers, I agree. But by reading the OP's post, he pretty much gave the impression of being one.
The point I tried to make is that the type of attitude displayed by the OP is the same that was exhibited by the communtiy of the Vanguard forums in the beginning, which did in fact discourage alot of people from even caring to learn about the game itself.
Explaining the way PvE is handled in the game to help others understand it is one thing. Telling people to "fucking live with it", when the game is nowhere near being set in stone and can be changed at any time before release, is another.
Anyway, I'll take my leave of this section of the forums. Perhaps I'll look at WAR later in the future, after a good representation of it's community can be observed. Because if the OP is representative of the majority of WAR's community, no amount of gameplay will make up for it.
Peace.
You won't be able to gank in WAR. Period.
Mythics applies various anti-gank, anti-grief features to their game because they know the risk.
WAR will have many good players (and of course, some bad ones), just like the forums.....
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
God why are children so angry these days?
Are u saying if there is 1vs1 or 6 vs 6 no one else can butt in the fight?Well sure, if you are in one of instanced combat areas you will be limited to the number of participants, but in the open world PVP, no, people can come along and spoil your fun.
What they have stated they will do is de-buff higher level players who venture into lowbie PVP areas with the purpose off ganking, so much so that they will probably be slaughtered. I also suspect they'll employ a mechanic that DAOC currently has, where if you attack a player who is currently engaged fighting a PVE mob you will receive no skill points (or whatever they are called in WAR) for the kill. I'm also sure they will not reward you for killing players significantly lower than yourself.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Well sure, if you are in one of instanced combat areas you will be limited to the number of participants, but in the open world PVP, no, people can come along and spoil your fun.
What they have stated they will do is de-buff higher level players who venture into lowbie PVP areas with the purpose off ganking, so much so that they will probably be slaughtered. I also suspect they'll employ a mechanic that DAOC currently has, where if you attack a player who is currently engaged fighting a PVE mob you will receive no skill points (or whatever they are called in WAR) for the kill. I'm also sure they will not reward you for killing players significantly lower than yourself.
Also, there is the chaos chicken for all the tough guys who go down to the lower tiers to fuck with the lower tier guys. So sorry Anubisss you and your elite ghost squad wont be able to repeatedly "gank" lower level people. I hear Lineage 2 is still going strong though.
Because a PvPer is excited about a PvP game, he should be labeled a ganker?
PvP'ers are not all gankers, I agree. But by reading the OP's post, he pretty much gave the impression of being one.
The point I tried to make is that the type of attitude displayed by the OP is the same that was exhibited by the communtiy of the Vanguard forums in the beginning, which did in fact discourage alot of people from even caring to learn about the game itself.
Explaining the way PvE is handled in the game to help others understand it is one thing. Telling people to "fucking live with it", when the game is nowhere near being set in stone and can be changed at any time before release, is another.
Anyway, I'll take my leave of this section of the forums. Perhaps I'll look at WAR later in the future, after a good representation of it's community can be observed. Because if the OP is representative of the majority of WAR's community, no amount of gameplay will make up for it.
Peace.
Just in case you are still lurking here i will add another £.02pence.Do you know the amount of people who come here spouting on about WAR and how it should have more PVE when they know damn well its a RVR-PVP-PVE game.Have a look at the top threads in this forum if you need proof.My thread was in answer to the endless crap i hear relating to WAR and how they need more PVE.Seems to me that now we who like RVR-PVP are getting somewhere we can call home the PVEs dont like it.Can we help it that nearly all PVE games out there are broken?is it are fault that more and more people want a serious challenge and dont want to spend hour upon hour grinding the same stupid mobs.
If you need to find out how WAR works the there are 100sif not 1000s of vids-popcast and sites deadicated to WAR.You were told on several occations about PVE in WAR and about the Ganking system.
How does an RVR raid dungeon= Ganking lol you really need to do your homework.The point of the dungeon is to fight for the prize lol so yes if i come across you killing the boss i will try my hardest to stop you.
Mythic are kings when it comes to RVR-PVP so i have every faith it will be a great game.Your comment about this game not being set in stone is right but i tell you what is set in stone...WAR=RVR-PVP and there is nothing anyone can do to change that.
Oh yeah i forgot"fucking live with it or participate"
WAR IS COMING
Ghost Squad