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My first and Last day playing vanguard, long Unbiased review.
rubydragon5
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I got into the game fully understanding that the game isn't fully polished.
I rolled a dark elf necromancer and entered game.
I got into the game and felt that I was dropped head first into it with no idea what to do.
I tweaked the graphics to the point they looks pretty good and I didn't lag much.
If I didn't know about crafting, diplomacy, and others features from Reviews I read I would of had no idea they existed.
I spent a few hours crafting and had to pretty much learn myself on how it works, the best hints were tool tips and they weren't that explanatory
I did have some fun on crafting, but after a while decided to go back to leveling
I finally logged out for the final time this morning, and will not be continuing the last 9 days of my trial.
I rolled on a FFA PvP (Tharidon) server and the majority of the community is very nasty and immature. People were fighting nonstop, spamming, cursing and trash talking each other.
I like pvp also, I don't want to play a game where people can pvp at all, so that eliminates any other non pvp server.
I hate to say this but it was by far Worse than the average WoW community.
I even got pm'd by a gold seller and had no idea how to petition him.
I asked people for help, when I had a lot of questions and no one bothered, all they did was trash talk me, 1 person pm'd me and helped in my whole time ingame.
Also when I first logged on and said hello, I was declared KOS because my name was somewhat related to someone else's that wasn't liked, and immediately people started throwing accusations how im a alt and all that.
Also the Population, i saw a total of 4-5 people face to face in 1 whole day ingame. Even with 3 servers merged into 1, I would then see 15 people in one day. The population at this point cannot be saved made healthy with just a few server merges.
The 2nd reason is serious graphic problems, the lag I didn't have a bad time with but I actually believe Vanguard was "Damaging" my video card.
I have a 6800 Nvidia 256mb card which works pretty well in all games.
The first thing that was weird was my characters clothes which were green and blue all turned white wen I logged back in and never changed back.
I believe this had something to do with the pixel/vertex shaders acting up.
Then the Static screen started occurring, I would open my map or a option and instead of the box I would get a square shaped thing with thousands of white red blue green etc. dots in it.
Then came what worried me my whole screen turned black except for the options and chat, I re logged and it didn't fix itself, I then quit and after I was back at desktop and the game was fully off My whole desktop turned pure white with thousands of rainbow dots all over and nothing responded.
I was forced to unplug my computer to get it to turn off.
Overall the game has potential but the community from what i saw, and the serious bugs made the game not worth it for me.
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9 day expert, thank you for your time and effort
MAGA
I really wanted it to be good to. I was looking for a new game home.
The community and the bugs will be its downfall.
How can you expect anyone to subject themselves to any more time after that experience?
OP, how do you conclude the game has potential? Geez after reading that review I felt it was the worst game ever. You are way too optimistic.
I played this game slightly longer i just wished i wouldn't have payed 49.95 for the flaming pile. It seemed to me that whoever designed this game had all these spectacular ideas, things that people would love to see in a MMO. Then at some point in the rush of putting the game together they were poorly implemented.
In my opinion they should scrap it spend another two years on it, re-release it and see if its not the game a lot of gamers know is just waiting to pop outta that thing.
In summation
Its the best flaming pile i've ever played.
well if they merge the servers it may draw new people in, balancing the good people with the idiots.
the thing is the population quality on the PvP servers and the Population quality ont eh PvE server maybe completely different.
Also if they merge the servers and fix the nasty bigs the population may slowly increase to the point the idiots are drowned out.
Lastly I remember playing Lineage 2 at start, its a open pvp game. People at the start of the game a few years ago were nasty and griefing people nonstop.
As the game matured a lot of people joined and basically forced the idiots out.
its pretty simple, once the PvP server population merges, the people on the Team servers which are nicer will all band together and put the idiots to KOS to the point they will either stop acting like idiots or leave.
Also at launch a lot of games have trolls, people that play just to annoy and harass other people but eventually they will get bored to.
There are numerous factors that can make the game fix itself over time.
Also even though Sony has a bad rep, I am 100% sure there programmers are top of the line, They will fix any screw ups that were left by sigil programming wise.
Maybe if they merge 7 servers...then you can see 35 people.
You don't have to be an expert to give an opinion on your experiences. Get a life.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
But it's a fact ttat some SOE programmers worked on Vanguard prior to launch? How do you explain that?
I play on tharridon.
The communtiy there is non existant. Most of the people there are horrible. 100% of the time they attack you the minute they see you. hell even friends have turned and attacked me and my guild. I beleive we are the only anti rpk guild left on the whole server.
First when you create a character and are entering the world with it for the first time there is a small back story window to get you started and points you in the right direction. Also when you are put into game for the first time you are pointing directly at your first quest giver (the yellow shield over it's head).
That is the newbie series of quests for your character. It teaches you a bit about the storyline for that specific race and gets you used to adventuring. Had you followed this quest it would have (after a short while) given you three other quests called Introduction to Crafting, Introduction to Harvesting, Introduction to Diplomacy. You can however find them yourself without following the quest line.
Now then you state you had to learn on your own how to craft. A statement I find very suspect as you cannot do crafting without going through the Introduction to crafting quest line. this line of quests takes you through the crafting process in a step by step manner.
Quest 1 - Pick your Crafting Class
Quest 2 - Learn about and get your crafting tools
Quest 3 - Learn abotu and get your crafting utilities
Quest 4 - Actually make an item (no complications).
Quest 5 - Make an item with complications.
Quest 6 - Learn about and complete a work order
Quest 7 - Learn how to assemble an item at the assembly table.
There are a few other quests that follow this but you get the idea. If you had to 'learn' these on your own most likely you did not read the text that was provided during the quest series as it explains how to do the main basics of crafting. That is one thing about all the basic Introduction quests series is that if you read them they will help you out a great deal.
As for your graphics problems that is a know issue with having the enviornmental shaders turned up above 75%. The black screen is an issue with Nvidia cards and having hardware occulsion turned on (I beleive that is the setting). Turning those two features off and down would have resolved both of those issues. No damaged was caused to your card. If you had asked in game (at least on the non pvp server) folks would have told you this.
All I can say is try it again, read the quests and give it more than a day to decide what the game is or is not.
Some of us that have the game *warned* you. DO NOT PLAY ON PVP SERVERS IN VANGUARD. It is awful. It is not, and it never -ever- will become a PvP game.
I hardly play Vanguard anymore because I cannot stand, tolerate the PvP server. I look forward to returning to the game when I can merge to a PvE server. Until then, I will spend my game-time in SWG and EQ 2.
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WoW and fast food = commercial successes.
I neither play WoW nor eat fast food.
lol I see that Vanguard's community is STILL its worst enemy.
I started my account on MMORPG on the date specified to learn about Vanguard. I see that little has changed about this game since early beta.
Marketing.
Marketing is the reason Microsoft are where they are, it is the reason VHS ousted Betamax (that and the porn industry all went with VHS) and it is the reason why World of Warcraft is where it is.
WoW struck at exactly the right time. There was a huge hole in the MMO market, and the previously successful Warcraft games had generated alot of support. With the basic support of the initial players who were looking for a Warcraft game they had enough funding to turn the marketing machine into full power, and they did.
Many many people were turned off to WoW because it didn't have anything Warcraft-like to do, it just shared a graphic style over a very basic grinding game. The further injustices of allowing things like gold farmers and abusive idiots a free run without proper punishment (cash is king, as they say) pushed away much of the more intelligent, fun and decent community. What was left, in the main, I am aware there are some decent WoW players, was primarily a community of abuse, constant-harassment, marketing of in-game product (which has zero value) for real money, and many many horrible people.
I REALLY REALLY REALLY (I cannot stress this enough) wanted to like WoW, the same way as I wanted to like Vanguard, but I have to say the lack of assistance, the nasty atmosphere, being laughed at for asking a question (or insulted) and the general tone in both places (alot of non-stop WoW bashing as well) turned me away.
Hmm, somehow went off-topic, sorry. Suffice to say that Vanguard let me down enough that I'm talking about WoW...and I really didn't enjoy WoW.
There is no greater percentage of tards in wow than any other game. They're just more visible because WoW has mass market appeal, more numbers and more people articulating themselves on. I can't say the same thing about Vanguard, im sorry.
lol I see that Vanguard's community is STILL its worst enemy.
I started my account on MMORPG on the date specified to learn about Vanguard. I see that little has changed about this game since early beta.
I aggree with Elsabolts. This OP obviously doesn't know squat about Vanguard and should not have even posted.
Though I do give the OP props for at least letting folks know he wasn't in game very long as opposed to those who play a few hours and talk like they have 1000's of hours in game.
Ya..it's a game with higher percentage of older folks than most mmorpg's. Older folks have less tolerance for ignorance. Mind ya..ingorance is not a bad thing..simple means..uninformed. Once informed...one is not ignorant about that matter anymore.
+ edited because I was ignorant of the proper spelling of ignorant...I am no longer ignorant to the proper spelling of ignorant.
I guess you can learn some in these forums...but ya gotta know how to weed out the many trolls and flame baiters here. Public..easily accessable forums such as this tend to have more than it's fair share of riff raff.
I think it best you don't play Vanguard....doesn't sound like your game anyways.
If you aren't playing though...please keep to whatever game you ARE playing ..threads. It makes no sense to frequent the threads of a game you don't like. Crazy people do that.
Where did he say he was an expert you overly sensitive fanboi??
Again, the faithful VG community's comments show why their inability to see any flaw in the game became a significant contributing factor to the game's failure.
Way to show what an understanding and thoughful community VG has, guys. When you look around and don't see any other players in-game, remember your comments here - they helped to drive away potential players.
PS - could ya'll get off your fake superiority kick and keep your sarcastic comments to yourselves for a while? SOE might fix the game and we'd like to return to it with at least *some* platers present!
well if you get past lvl 5 quests or close to that level it tells you about diplomacy and crafting and gets you started. So even if u didnt know anything about it, they give you the quests to go find the people to teach you how too.
I have been thinking about trying this game, and from this thread I seem to have learned some new things about the deficiencies inherent in the game at this point, and I dont really feel they are game breaking. I can see how they might turn people away, but I can also see how people could ignore them if the game really is fun.
What would be a good server to begin on, such that I dont get a negative community my first time in? Are there any roleplayers on any of the servers, or is that a lost cause? What would be the best place or class to start out if I enjoy soloing more than grouping, but dont hate a serious challenge? I thank anyone for their help with this.
EDIT:
I just thought of something after reading other posts. Maybe not ever gamer wants 15 other people killing the wolves in the starting zone with them. Maybe some people don't want to see 100 other people at major areas of trade. This is a world where you play heroes. It's silly if everyone is a hero. I understand that is not the best for the companies because they need players to pay them money, but I don't want a world that is as clogged as Warcraft.
"There are two great powers, and they've been fighting since time began. Every advance in human life, every scrap of knowledge and wisdom and decency we have has been torn by one side from the teeth of the other. Every little increase in human freedom has been fought over ferociously between those who want us to know more and be wiser and stronger, and those who want us to obey and be humble and submit."
John Parry, to his son Will; "The Subtle Knife," by Phillip Pullman
lol I see that Vanguard's community is STILL its worst enemy.
I started my account on MMORPG on the date specified to learn about Vanguard. I see that little has changed about this game since early beta.
I aggree with Elsabolts. This OP obviously doesn't know squat about Vanguard and should not have even posted.
Though I do give the OP props for at least letting folks know he wasn't in game very long as opposed to those who play a few hours and talk like they have 1000's of hours in game.
Ya..it's a game with higher percentage of older folks than most mmorpg's. Older folks have less tolerance for ignorance. Mind ya..ingorance is not a bad thing..simple means..uninformed. Once informed...one is not ignorant about that matter anymore.
+ edited because I was ignorant of the proper spelling of ignorant...I am no longer ignorant to the proper spelling of ignorant.
I guess you can learn some in these forums...but ya gotta know how to weed out the many trolls and flame baiters here. Public..easily accessable forums such as this tend to have more than it's fair share of riff raff.
I think it best you don't play Vanguard....doesn't sound like your game anyways.
If you aren't playing though...please keep to whatever game you ARE playing ..threads. It makes no sense to frequent the threads of a game you don't like. Crazy people do that.
Thamoris that was about the most Arrogant post I can remember reading on the internet. Give the guy a break will you, he didn't like the server he was on because it was full of, erm arrogant and snotty nosed gits. You're only confiming his initial findings with posts like this!
BTW the PvP server sounds like fun to me
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
The Vanguard community overall is great.
The PvP servers are pretty bad because the PvP system is just ganking people. You do not have PvP zones, castles to fight over, etc.
The game was not meant to be a PvP game, and it will never be a PvP game. It is a GIGANTIC PvE world with a shit load of content. Explore the vast world, meet some friends, go on solo trips, group adventures, and raids. It is a fun game. I am happy SOE is making progress, but the end-game is missing and boring. Performance is solid now. So, they will start doing the end-game, beginning with adding raid content.
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WoW and fast food = commercial successes.
I neither play WoW nor eat fast food.
lol I see that Vanguard's community is STILL its worst enemy.
I started my account on MMORPG on the date specified to learn about Vanguard. I see that little has changed about this game since early beta.
I aggree with Elsabolts. This OP obviously doesn't know squat about Vanguard and should not have even posted.
Though I do give the OP props for at least letting folks know he wasn't in game very long as opposed to those who play a few hours and talk like they have 1000's of hours in game.
Ya..it's a game with higher percentage of older folks than most mmorpg's. Older folks have less tolerance for ignorance. Mind ya..ingorance is not a bad thing..simple means..uninformed. Once informed...one is not ignorant about that matter anymore.
+ edited because I was ignorant of the proper spelling of ignorant...I am no longer ignorant to the proper spelling of ignorant.
I guess you can learn some in these forums...but ya gotta know how to weed out the many trolls and flame baiters here. Public..easily accessable forums such as this tend to have more than it's fair share of riff raff.
I think it best you don't play Vanguard....doesn't sound like your game anyways.
If you aren't playing though...please keep to whatever game you ARE playing ..threads. It makes no sense to frequent the threads of a game you don't like. Crazy people do that.
If you and Elsa really cared about VG, you wouldn't be posting here, but rather in game...
By my estimations, with you two posting here, your server is short about 50% of it's population...
I love how the fanboys some in telling the OP that he doesn’t know enough about the game to post.
That’s some bullshit, its not the players responsibility to romance the game, its the games responsibility (and developers) to romance the player, if that doesn’t happen in a short amount of time, FAIL.. It doesn’t matter what a fan thinks, and there is no "Reading and experience" requirement for fun.
It hooks you, or it does not, you have no responsibility to "Give it a chance", you owe them nothing, but you purchase of the game, and any subsequent fees do make the developers (and game) owe you some fun.
To sit here and tell someone that “If you knew more about it, you would have had fun” is the most fanboyish thing I have ever heard.
The game failed to capture this user, not, the user failed to capture the game.
And no amount of lore, or “understanding” will ever excuse the elitist, arrogant, asshats that you will meet in any game, or in any concentration, That the developers grew.
And he has every right to post his opinions on the game and his experiences had with in it, that’s what this forum is for, and just because someone posts a negative review, does not make them a hater, it makes them a gamer with opinions and not a sheep.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
This game is going to be great, the potential is being developed and issued to get a vast complex large classic MMORPG where the mature players can unite and make a lot of a good game in there.
Effectively, PvP servers sound pretty interesting to me. There must be a lot of fun there. When servers merge it is gonna get balanced by PvE players and more organized guilds and the ganking will stop at some point.
It is a question of fangs.