Originally posted by jdun1 Christ I thought you were smarter then this. I got sometime so I will respond to this.
What the difference between illegal and legal immigration? Illegal means you are breaking the law. Legal means you are following the law. Do you punish people that fellow the law? If you’re a Demarcate/liberal, yes punish people that fellow the law. Punish the people that come to the States legally.
People that come to the States illegally break the law. Do you want to reward rapists that raped your daughter? Do you reward a person that killed your son? I have no problem with immigration as long as they fellow the law. When people come to our country illegally they are breaking the law and those that break the law should be punished. They should not be rewarded. You know how moral deprive you are when you reward someone that break the law.
Uhh why are you talking about illegal immigration. Ar eyou implying I want open borders like Bush is allowing for? OF COURSE NOT! I'M NOT AN F'ING LIBERAL!!!
Learn reading comprehension. You still don’t understand politics. Politics does work the way you want it to be. The world doesn’t revolve around you. I’m going to make this simple so hopefully you understand how politics works.
What does politician sell? Themselves. That’s all they have. Ron Paul didn’t sell himself to the conservatives of the Republican Party. If he did he would be in the lead (critical thinking skills). However Ron Paul did a good job at selling himself to the conspiracy faction of the general public, which you are in Alex(critical thinking skills). Unfortunately for Ron Paul the Republican Party is not made up of conspiracy people. It is made up of conservative. Ron Paul is better of in the Democrat party where there is a large faction of conspiracy people. Actually the other candidates are more liberal than Ron Paul. Fred Thompson's lobbying for abortion comes to mind, weak on illegal immigration,....don't get me started with Mitt Romney and Giuliani....(I would have to write a book).
So your theory that conservatives vote for conservative people/values is wrong. Second, only a very small percentage knows Ron Paul. He doesn’t have brand name as said, Fred Thomson or Hillary Clinton. To the general public Ron Paul is a nobody(critical thinking skills), he won’t win the Republican’s nomination he won’t win the White House. When this is over and done the conspiracy people will blame the conservatives, big power, corporation, CIA, etc. However they won’t blame Ron Paul failure to sell himself to the conservatives of the Republican Party and the American people. Fred Thompson has a brand name because he is talked about a lot on the media. No need to sell himself. Ron Paul is hardly talked about and if they do then they try and marginalize him half the time. Apparently you haven’t watched the Republican debates. He apologized to the terrorists in front of every conservative that was watching that day. Naturally every Republican candidates pounce on him for that remark. Funny thing is that they asked the moderator to give everybody equal time to rebuke Ron Paul comments.
He never apologized. Give me a quote. He wants to go after Osama as opposed to Bush. Yes some states have open primaries. To me it is stupid. It is a private affair and shouldn’t open to the public. The people they are voting for in the primaries are not running for office. They are running to get elected to run for public office. However, it is the electors that go to the Party’s convention that is the doing the actually voting and at times those electors will vote against what the voters wanted. In other words, the open primaries have little effect on how the party electors vote in the convention.
To the rest of you, I know that the public school system has stop teaching critical thinking skills. I would asks you for a second to think what you have been reading and watching on the liberal media. Where is most of the fighting in Iraq located at now compare to three years ago? How many Iraqi insurgents the US killed compare to how many they killed each day? Why is Iraqi citizens turning over the location of insurgents hideouts?
______________________________ "When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!" -cheer leading, flag waving American
Originally posted by Cooktastico Out of no where, fulmanfu casts the Necro spell on this old thread! But the thread resists.... slowly creeping back down into nothingness.
oh my! i apologize to you whole heartedly. honestly i do. the post was about 25 posts down, i wasn't aware of the unspoken rules. what is it 7 posts down are allowed a reply without your scorn?
please..please pm me a list of rules and regulations of posts i may reply to, i don't want to mess up again. will be waiting anxiously.
Again you have no understanding how politics works. What you think things should be is not how reality do things. The poll was done by USA Today newspaper. Keep in mind that USA today is a liberal newspaper that is more incline to support Ron Paul.
ROFLMAO!!!!! Liberal media supporting Ron Paul??? Are you out of your f'ing mind? The liberal media is SCARED of Ron Paul! They hardly talk about him and they jump all around him when discussing the Republican candidates. They don't want a conservative to win at all and they know that Ron being against the Iraq war will take away votes from the Democrats.
You have no idea how politics and the media work.
Olbermann never even mentions Ron Paul ever and he goes on bashing crusades on the other candidates and even questions if there are alternatives and yet never ever mentions Ron Paul yet he mentions Newt Gingrich and crap like that....yet Tucker Carlson and Joe Scarborough (both conservatives) have Ron Paul on often and chat it up.
I am not sure if Ron Paul have two million dollars or not but even if he does have that much it not even close to what it need to run for the White House. Fred Thomson has over 50 millions dollars IIRC and he hasn't even declare his candidacy. Let me explain how the primary works. If you are not in the Republican Party you can't vote on Ron Paul or any Republican candidates. The primaries is open to party members only. It is not an open vote like a general election. I cannot vote in the Democrat primary because I am not a member of the Democrat party. The majority of the Republican party is conservative. It is the conservative that will decide who will represent the Republican party in the presidential election. The liberals will decide in the Democrat primary who will represent them in the election.
Let me explain something now...some states have "open" primaries and it doesn't matter what party you're on. Also you are always free to change your party. Now that you understand how the primaries work, let discus why Ron Paul will not win the Republican nomination. Ron Paul is more of a liberal then a conservative. His major mistake so far is that he apologize to the same terrorists that killed Americans all over the world. This might work in the Democrat party where the weak and pathetic goes well with their members. However it does not work in the Republican party. In the Republican party we expect our leaders not to apologize to killers. We expect our leaders to go and kill them.
Do you even know what a liberal and a conservative is? Ron Paul is WAY more conservative than any other candidate. He has never apologized to the terrorists. HE ACTUALLY TRIED TO GO AFTER OSAMA BIN LADEN!!! Ron Paul actually wanted, instead of war, was for Congress to grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, a Constitutional decree that would have allowed private sources or bounty hunters to pursue bin Laden. Ron Paul introduced Marque and Reprisal Act of 2001, which would have granted the president the authority to use Letters of Marque and Reprisal against the specific terrorists, instead of warring against a foreign state. What did Bush do? He went after Saddam and is now nation building. Now it looks like Osama might be in Pakistan...will Bush go in there? No.
Fred Thompson, Giuliani, and Mitt Romney have all have big liberal leanings or have since flip flopped. Ron Paul will not win the Republican's nomination. You can take that to the bank.
Then a Democrat will become president. Ron Paul is the only one who can beat a Democrat. Anyone who supports the Iraq war will lose. You can take that to the bank.
This is one reason why Ron Paul has a shot; 70% of Americans disagree with the Iraq war and some bigshot Republicans have since expressed discontent recently. Ron Paul is the only candidate that true conservatives who are against the Iraq and the possibly Iran war can vote for. The other generic neocon candidates all have to share the 30% who are for the war. Unlike most members of this forum our military personnel are not selfish. They join the military because they want to accomplish something with their lives. They don't want to be a parasite. They want to make the world safer for everyone to live in.
Then tell them to get their butts over to our open border and tell Bush we don't want amnesty. The majority of Iraq is a safe place. Most of the fighting as I said and what my friends told me that have been there is in and around Baghdad. I put more weight on them then the liberal news media. Baghdad is getting safer each day but the liberal media never print that. They only print US military deaths. They never print the good stuff that comes out of Iraq. http://hotair.com/archives/2007/07/16/iraq-video-essay-why-liberals-should-love-this-war/ BTW all congressmen/women will have their pictures taken with their party leaders, sooner or later. It is standard. Do you think Reagan apologize to terrorist? He doesn't, he send the military to kill them.
Christ I thought you were smarter then this. I got sometime so I will respond to this.
What the difference between illegal and legal immigration? Illegal means you are breaking the law. Legal means you are following the law. Do you punish people that fellow the law? If you’re a Demarcate/liberal, yes punish people that fellow the law. Punish the people that come to the States legally.
People that come to the States illegally break the law. Do you want to reward rapists that raped your daughter? Do you reward a person that killed your son? I have no problem with immigration as long as they fellow the law. When people come to our country illegally they are breaking the law and those that break the law should be punished. They should not be rewarded. You know how moral deprive you are when you reward someone that break the law.
You still don’t understand politics. Politics does work the way you want it to be. The world doesn’t revolve around you. I’m going to make this simple so hopefully you understand how politics works.
What does politician sell? Themselves. That’s all they have. Ron Paul didn’t sell himself to the conservatives of the Republican Party. If he did he would be in the lead (critical thinking skills). However Ron Paul did a good job at selling himself to the conspiracy faction of the general public, which you are in Alex(critical thinking skills). Unfortunately for Ron Paul the Republican Party is not made up of conspiracy people. It is made up of conservative. Ron Paul is better of in the Democrat party where there is a large faction of conspiracy people.
Second, only a very small percentage knows Ron Paul. He doesn’t have brand name as said, Fred Thomson or Hillary Clinton. To the general public Ron Paul is a nobody(critical thinking skills), he won’t win the Republican’s nomination he won’t win the White House. When this is over and done the conspiracy people will blame the conservatives, big power, corporation, CIA, etc. However they won’t blame Ron Paul failure to sell himself to the conservatives of the Republican Party and the American people.
Apparently you haven’t watched the Republican debates. He apologized to the terrorists in front of every conservative that was watching that day. Naturally every Republican candidates pounce on him for that remark. Funny thing is that they asked the moderator to give everybody equal time to rebuke Ron Paul comments.
Yes some states have open primaries. To me it is stupid. It is a private affair and shouldn’t open to the public. The people they are voting for in the primaries are not running for office. They are running to get elected to run for public office. However, it is the electors that go to the Party’s convention that is the doing the actually voting and at times those electors will vote against what the voters wanted. In other words, the open primaries have little effect on how the party electors vote in the convention.
To the rest of you, I know that the public school system has stop teaching critical thinking skills. I would asks you for a second to think what you have been reading and watching on the liberal media. Where is most of the fighting in Iraq located at now compare to three years ago? How many Iraqi insurgents the US killed compare to how many they killed each day? Why is Iraqi citizens turning over the location of insurgents hideouts?
The father of the nuclear bomb or a taliban? The son of a military factory or a chemical mad
doctor?
And...... against who will americans have to spend they money to do war? will be Iran or Italy, will be africa or russia?
after all this years of american shit, someone open a thread "military favors ron paul"?!?!?!
U americans are really the worst thing for this poor earth, u are the worst place in the world, u don't know democracy.
Last thing of a nation that don't give free social previdence? In a place of california is just made a law that say that u can't smoke also in your house!!!! ROOOOOTFLLL
The twin tower fact..... all the world know that was made in collaboration between bin laden and bush
Iraq war.... all the world know that was made for u're military interests, cause bush shit had too many collusions with the army bosses and army factories;
there were too many bad things in u're country so, better to move people attention to another thing... lets have a fake war!!!!!
your powerful man had too many collusions with the Oil powers.... so..... the Kyoto protocol was not signed and u are polluting all our world for ure fucking 5000/10000 cylinder capacity' cars and u're air is a shit
To the rest of you, I know that the public school system has stop teaching critical thinking skills. I would asks you for a second to think what you have been reading and watching on the liberal media. Where is most of the fighting in Iraq located at now compare to three years ago? How many Iraqi insurgents the US killed compare to how many they killed each day? Why is Iraqi citizens turning over the location of insurgents hideouts? The US Army's 1st Air Cavalry Brigade, engages an insurgent sniper trying to make a getaway. Baghda
You cannot win a war of attrition when the enemy controls the pace of conflict, and an insurgency force always controls the pace of conflict. Touting metrics aimed at defeating the enemy by attrition is a pretty clear indicator that you are pursuing a strategy that cannot possibly win.
Any recent success (such as it is) in Iraq comes primarily form changes in political alliances. They them “tribal leaders” rather then Baathists and form an alliance with them against the Iranian influenced Shia. This, even though these new allies are the same people who the US invaded Iraq to get rid of and the Shia were the people they were ostensibly protecting.
Neither side has any love for the US, and both sides want the US out. In fact the only people who ever wanted the US there was Al Qaeda, because it gave them recruiting, fundraising and training opportunities, plus a shot at achieving their real goal which was deposing the Baathist’s and establishing a Sunni theocracy, something that very nearly happened thanks to the assistance of the US.
This is why the Baathist’s are turning over Al Qaeda hideouts, they have been fighting each other for control of Sunni areas since long before the US invasion. The Baathists had been trying to make a peace agreement with the US pretty much since the invasion, so they could get back to fighting them. Why do you think Saddam believed right until the end that the US would let him back into power? His people were the only ones in Iraq that didn’t support either Al Qaeda or Iran.
If the US media wasn’t so biased Americans would have been aware of this before the Iraq invasion ever took place. The rest of the world certainly knew, and the Dick said it himself back in the 90’s.
To the OP. I’d be interested to see what type of support for Ron Paul you would see in the Military once they realized one of the cornerstones of his beliefs is to fire them all? I don’t agree with most of Ron Paul’s policies, but at least he isn’t a borrow & spend neo-con or a religious fanatic. Along with McCain, he’s one of the few people worthy of some respect in the republican party because he is honest about what he believes.
The military loves Ron Paul because he wants to return benefits to the way they were many years ago. Which is the right thing to do. It's simple, people vote with their pocketbooks 99% of the time unless there is some hot topic (abortion, gun control, etc) that a candidate trips their trigger on. It only marginally implies that the military people in that sampling of donations feel Ron Paul is right on the war in Iraq.
Ron....If he had the military support as you say he would have won SC primary, the polls are out for the SC prime and they read like this,Mc cain won and why did he win in this state.
He won because the military came in droves for Mc cain because he is getting rewarded for unwavering support for Bushs war in Irag and Afgan, at least that is what the exit polls are implying.
Now lets move forward to SUPER TUESDAY the biggest day in the primary...Feb 5 which will give us a final delegate count which win nomations not popular support.
Mitt Romnaey will come out on top for the Republicans...Because we dont send senators to the White House its a historical fact.
And yes people do vary much vote with their pocket book and the war is not a issue this time mainly because 44.000 people are coming home in Iraq every day.The term the military uses is COMPLETE SATURATION which mean the violence has saturated the people to the point they start to turn away from it,and they start to imbrace the political structure that was giving them by a free people..US
War never goes the way we want,mistakes are always made....
Trade in material assumptions for spiritual facts and make permanent progress.
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"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
just a little tip, you can (and alot of people are) change your political party before the primaries.
im registered republican, first time in my life.
Out of no where, fulmanfu casts the Necro spell on this old thread! But the thread resists.... slowly creeping back down into nothingness.
oh my! i apologize to you whole heartedly. honestly i do. the post was about 25 posts down, i wasn't aware of the unspoken rules.
what is it 7 posts down are allowed a reply without your scorn?
please..please pm me a list of rules and regulations of posts i may reply to, i don't want to mess up again. will be waiting anxiously.
My vote is with Doctor 'No.'
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Christ I thought you were smarter then this. I got sometime so I will respond to this.
What the difference between illegal and legal immigration? Illegal means you are breaking the law. Legal means you are following the law. Do you punish people that fellow the law? If you’re a Demarcate/liberal, yes punish people that fellow the law. Punish the people that come to the States legally.
People that come to the States illegally break the law. Do you want to reward rapists that raped your daughter? Do you reward a person that killed your son? I have no problem with immigration as long as they fellow the law. When people come to our country illegally they are breaking the law and those that break the law should be punished. They should not be rewarded. You know how moral deprive you are when you reward someone that break the law.
You still don’t understand politics. Politics does work the way you want it to be. The world doesn’t revolve around you. I’m going to make this simple so hopefully you understand how politics works.
What does politician sell? Themselves. That’s all they have. Ron Paul didn’t sell himself to the conservatives of the Republican Party. If he did he would be in the lead (critical thinking skills). However Ron Paul did a good job at selling himself to the conspiracy faction of the general public, which you are in Alex(critical thinking skills). Unfortunately for Ron Paul the Republican Party is not made up of conspiracy people. It is made up of conservative. Ron Paul is better of in the Democrat party where there is a large faction of conspiracy people.
Second, only a very small percentage knows Ron Paul. He doesn’t have brand name as said, Fred Thomson or Hillary Clinton. To the general public Ron Paul is a nobody(critical thinking skills), he won’t win the Republican’s nomination he won’t win the White House. When this is over and done the conspiracy people will blame the conservatives, big power, corporation, CIA, etc. However they won’t blame Ron Paul failure to sell himself to the conservatives of the Republican Party and the American people.
Apparently you haven’t watched the Republican debates. He apologized to the terrorists in front of every conservative that was watching that day. Naturally every Republican candidates pounce on him for that remark. Funny thing is that they asked the moderator to give everybody equal time to rebuke Ron Paul comments.
Yes some states have open primaries. To me it is stupid. It is a private affair and shouldn’t open to the public. The people they are voting for in the primaries are not running for office. They are running to get elected to run for public office. However, it is the electors that go to the Party’s convention that is the doing the actually voting and at times those electors will vote against what the voters wanted. In other words, the open primaries have little effect on how the party electors vote in the convention.
To the rest of you, I know that the public school system has stop teaching critical thinking skills. I would asks you for a second to think what you have been reading and watching on the liberal media. Where is most of the fighting in Iraq located at now compare to three years ago? How many Iraqi insurgents the US killed compare to how many they killed each day? Why is Iraqi citizens turning over the location of insurgents hideouts?
The US Army's 1st Air Cavalry Brigade, engages an insurgent sniper trying to make a getaway. Baghda
Marines Counter Ambush A Group Of Insurgents
US Marines Takeout An Insurgent Bus (uncut footage)
Insurgents Attack Foiled
AH-1 Cobra Attacks An Insurgent Position In Hit, Iraq
AmenThis thread stinks of six months ago
who will be the next usa president?
The father of the nuclear bomb or a taliban? The son of a military factory or a chemical mad
doctor?
And...... against who will americans have to spend they money to do war? will be Iran or Italy, will be africa or russia?
after all this years of american shit, someone open a thread "military favors ron paul"?!?!?!
U americans are really the worst thing for this poor earth, u are the worst place in the world, u don't know democracy.
Last thing of a nation that don't give free social previdence? In a place of california is just made a law that say that u can't smoke also in your house!!!! ROOOOOTFLLL
The twin tower fact..... all the world know that was made in collaboration between bin laden and bush
Iraq war.... all the world know that was made for u're military interests, cause bush shit had too many collusions with the army bosses and army factories;
there were too many bad things in u're country so, better to move people attention to another thing... lets have a fake war!!!!!
your powerful man had too many collusions with the Oil powers.... so..... the Kyoto protocol was not signed and u are polluting all our world for ure fucking 5000/10000 cylinder capacity' cars and u're air is a shit
Americans, u are the ruin of our poor world!!!!
Even though this is a necropost:
The military loves Ron Paul because he wants to return benefits to the way they were many years ago. Which is the right thing to do. It's simple, people vote with their pocketbooks 99% of the time unless there is some hot topic (abortion, gun control, etc) that a candidate trips their trigger on. It only marginally implies that the military people in that sampling of donations feel Ron Paul is right on the war in Iraq.
Ron....If he had the military support as you say he would have won SC primary, the polls are out for the SC prime and they read like this,Mc cain won and why did he win in this state.
He won because the military came in droves for Mc cain because he is getting rewarded for unwavering support for Bushs war in Irag and Afgan, at least that is what the exit polls are implying.
Now lets move forward to SUPER TUESDAY the biggest day in the primary...Feb 5 which will give us a final delegate count which win nomations not popular support.
Mitt Romnaey will come out on top for the Republicans...Because we dont send senators to the White House its a historical fact.
And yes people do vary much vote with their pocket book and the war is not a issue this time mainly because 44.000 people are coming home in Iraq every day.The term the military uses is COMPLETE SATURATION which mean the violence has saturated the people to the point they start to turn away from it,and they start to imbrace the political structure that was giving them by a free people..US
War never goes the way we want,mistakes are always made....
Trade in material assumptions for spiritual facts and make permanent progress.