Choppy and to complex??

Taek

PCGAMER magazine slated the game quite heavilly after they managed to play it, they said the graphics were very intence which lead to graphics lag on even top SLI and crossfire systems (this should be fixed by the release) also they slated the revolutionary combat system by saying it is to complex have 6 bottons which  swings the sword in 6 different ways, they also mentioned after the film that practically destroyed any hope for conan's future films. is this just a way to pull the Conan out of the deep Sh*t  that the film put it in?

 

I no this game is based on the books and not the film but its still the same story, and iv just got a bad taste in my mouth after the film.

checkthis500

What film are you referring to?  If you have a link that would be great.   Thanks.

Zorvan

Originally posted by checkthis500


What film are you referring to?  If you have a link that would be great.   Thanks.

You've never seen the Conan movies featuring my esteemed Governator?

checkthis500

Ohhh.  I thought we were still on E3 stuff.  haha.  My bad.  Yeah, you should probably read a Conan book. 

The game so far seems to be coming across as a bit too pubescent.  But I've never read the Conan books, so that might be a good thing.

ormstunga

 

Conan the Destroyer is rubbish, but Conan the Barbarian is damn classic! 

I have some concerns about combat myself, 6 buttons (combining up to 5 moves was it?). In the vids the char seems to be moving forward after every attack... so all the time moving and 6 buttons, you wont have time to enjoy yourself just 110% focus on movement+attack . I can see how this makes for sweet group pvp (at least for looks), but for pve combined with "supposedly choppy" movement and/or lag this can maybe be an issue? Any ideas? 

Zorvan

Originally posted by ormstunga


 
Conan the Destroyer is rubbish, but Conan the Barbarian is damn classic! 
I have some concerns about combat myself, 6 buttons (combining up to 5 moves was it?). In the vids the char seems to be moving forward after every attack... so all the time moving and 6 buttons, you wont have time to enjoy yourself just 110% focus on movement+attack . I can see how this makes for sweet group pvp (at least for looks), but for pve combined with "supposedly choppy" movement and/or lag this can maybe be an issue? Any ideas? 

The choppiness is from being still in beta and not fully optimized yet.

Far as the key, I'm sure they can be mapped to a preferable spot. Or a game pad could be used, or a gaming keyboard like Z-board.

For PvE, i would probably just macro one or two good combos.

randomt

6 different attacks to use in a fight? Complex?  Most mmo's have more than that, though they aren't swing1, swing2, etc.. they are named attacks/spells.. but you still have more than 6. If that's the only 'complexity' in the game then it's not going to be that great..

Jackcolt

Originally posted by randomt


6 different attacks to use in a fight? Complex?  Most mmo's have more than that, though they aren't swing1, swing2, etc.. they are named attacks/spells.. but you still have more than 6. If that's the only 'complexity' in the game then it's not going to be that great..

Please do read a bit about the game. That's the melee combat system that's been descriped. It also have manually aiming arrows and spells, "homing spell", spells that do AoE in a triangle ahead of you, and an all-new spellweaving weaving system, where you can combine spells for deadly results for either you or the enemy.

AoC is going to be more hectic and complex than other MMOs.

randomt

If it's a twitch combat system I'll definatly give it a try, thats for sure.  Though the combat is not the only thing in mmo's that I look at for enjoyment.. for instance complexity of crafting, social mechanics (eve has a nice social system), etc.  If the only complexity is combat related.. well I prefer fps for combat only games heh.. but thats personal opinion

Goldknyght

Im reading the books and they are excellent. The game is based of Robert E Howards writings not anyone else who wrote conan. He created conan and right now u can get all the books for 15 a pop at barns n nobs or 10 from amazon i think. Its a three book series using the writings of his short stories and novels he wrote about conan.

Book 1 - The coming of Conan the Cimmerian

Book 2 - The bloody crown of Conan

Book 3 - The conquering sword of Conan

and the game starts from the story in book two the hour of the dragon. So happy reading for the few that feel this might be a good read.

Ranlawl

Originally posted by Taek


PCGAMER magazine slated the game quite heavilly after they managed to play it, they said the graphics were very intence which lead to graphics lag on even top SLI and crossfire systems (this should be fixed by the release) also they slated the revolutionary combat system by saying it is to complex have 6 bottons which  swings the sword in 6 different ways, they also mentioned after the film that practically destroyed any hope for conan's future films. is this just a way to pull the Conan out of the deep Sh*t  that the film put it in?
 
I no this game is based on the books and not the film but its still the same story, and iv just got a bad taste in my mouth after the film.

could oyu please provide a quote or link of the source where it states the system they were running it on, what quality of grahpics they were running it on, what OS, and if it was DX10 or DX9? I really find the statement that it is too complex because of six buttons rediculous, unless you only have two fingers ofcourse, and they have no relation to the film at all, plus lag is due to beta, they are still inj technical beta, not gameplay beta, i doubt they have all their servers with maximum services without a flowing income for maintenance.

Ranlawl

Originally posted by Jackcolt


 
Originally posted by randomt


6 different attacks to use in a fight? Complex?  Most mmo's have more than that, though they aren't swing1, swing2, etc.. they are named attacks/spells.. but you still have more than 6. If that's the only 'complexity' in the game then it's not going to be that great..

 

Please do read a bit about the game. That's the melee combat system that's been descriped. It also have manually aiming arrows and spells, "homing spell", spells that do AoE in a triangle ahead of you, and an all-new spellweaving weaving system, where you can combine spells for deadly results for either you or the enemy.

AoC is going to be more hectic and complex than other MMOs.

It isnt going to be more hectic (im sure ur meaning that in a negative way unless im mistaken), and yes its going to be more complex than pressing an auto-attack button and other special attack buttons that light up, it gives a more hands on experience in the combat and prevents people from being able to play while sleeping wiht autoattak on.

Lilfurbal

Originally posted by randomt


6 different attacks to use in a fight? Complex?  Most mmo's have more than that, though they aren't swing1, swing2, etc.. they are named attacks/spells.. but you still have more than 6. If that's the only 'complexity' in the game then it's not going to be that great..

You don't have 6 attacks, you basically get 6 different ways you can perform standard combat, in all other MMOs that would be your basic 'auto-attack'.  This game has no auto-attack, so there is no attacking something and going afk.  If you go afk you'll just be standing there doing nothing.  Now certain abilities can be pulled off by completing certain chains to form a combo, as opposed to just hitting button 1, 2, 1, ect. and they automatically do said skill.  There is an endurance meter for all the classes which determines how many combos you can do and which combos you can do.  Different combos require different amounts of energy, so a good mix between strong and weak combos is a must.  There is apparently hundreds of combos, however it seems that you need to make a good choice between 8 specific ones you want to have active for combat use at a time.  This is where a good mix of weak/strong combos is important.  So far I believe a single combo chain could invole up to 5 different commands.

Also apparently if you can get out of the way of someone swinging their sword you will have successfully dodged their attack, where as in say WoW, someone swings and you are out of range you'll still get hit. 

Mage classes get the ability to accidentally kill themselves if they screw up casting their spells.

Ranged fighting classes get to aim their arrows at targets, and there is no auto-fire such as the hunter in WoW.  You must aim each arrow and put real use behind it.

Combat is much more complex and involved than standard MMOs. 

Goldknyght

Originally posted by Lilfurbal


 
Originally posted by randomt


6 different attacks to use in a fight? Complex?  Most mmo's have more than that, though they aren't swing1, swing2, etc.. they are named attacks/spells.. but you still have more than 6. If that's the only 'complexity' in the game then it's not going to be that great..

You don't have 6 attacks, you basically get 6 different ways you can perform standard combat, in all other MMOs that would be your basic 'auto-attack'.  This game has no auto-attack, so there is no attacking something and going afk.  If you go afk you'll just be standing there doing nothing.  Now certain abilities can be pulled off by completing certain chains to form a combo, as opposed to just hitting button 1, 2, 1, ect. and they automatically do said skill.  There is an endurance meter for all the classes which determines how many combos you can do and which combos you can do.  Different combos require different amounts of energy, so a good mix between strong and weak combos is a must.  There is apparently hundreds of combos, however it seems that you need to make a good choice between 8 specific ones you want to have active for combat use at a time.  This is where a good mix of weak/strong combos is important.  So far I believe a single combo chain could invole up to 5 different commands.

 

Also apparently if you can get out of the way of someone swinging their sword you will have successfully dodged their attack, where as in say WoW, someone swings and you are out of range you'll still get hit. 

Mage classes get the ability to accidentally kill themselves if they screw up casting their spells.

Ranged fighting classes get to aim their arrows at targets, and there is no auto-fire such as the hunter in WoW.  You must aim each arrow and put real use behind it.

Combat is much more complex and involved than standard MMOs. 

untill the hackers hack the game and make there Macros. damn u hackers!!! then they can go afk once more =P

Ryun511

I think that might have been an old article. There are only 5 directional attacks currently in the game.

Taek

Originally posted by Ranlawl

Originally posted by Taek


PCGAMER magazine slated the game quite heavilly after they managed to play it, they said the graphics were very intence which lead to graphics lag on even top SLI and crossfire systems (this should be fixed by the release) also they slated the revolutionary combat system by saying it is to complex have 6 bottons which  swings the sword in 6 different ways, they also mentioned after the film that practically destroyed any hope for conan's future films. is this just a way to pull the Conan out of the deep Sh*t  that the film put it in?
 
I no this game is based on the books and not the film but its still the same story, and iv just got a bad taste in my mouth after the film.

could oyu please provide a quote or link of the source where it states the system they were running it on, what quality of grahpics they were running it on, what OS, and if it was DX10 or DX9? I really find the statement that it is too complex because of six buttons rediculous, unless you only have two fingers ofcourse, and they have no relation to the film at all, plus lag is due to beta, they are still inj technical beta, not gameplay beta, i doubt they have all their servers with maximum services without a flowing income for maintenance.

If you read the 2nd word you will see magazine, this is a series pages which general gives advise and reviews of a particular subject and its not free, this means you will not find there reviews of a game on  the internet because then it would be pointless selling a magazine, however if you buy August edition of PCGAMER or PCZONE you will see the review. Now here is abit of light at the end of your tunnel:

- Intel Core 2 DUO E6600 2.40GHz Dual Core CPU Overclocked too a minimum of 2.93GHz and beyond. (9 x 333MHz - 1333MHz FSB)

- Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro Intel approved cooler

- Arctic Silver 5 Heatsink compound professionally hand installed by our technicians

- Asus P5N32-E SLi NVIDIA 680 (Socket LGA775) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard

- Award winning Team Xtream 2GB Ultra PC2-6400 CAS4 (2x1GB) Dual Channel Kit (Overclocked at 900MHz+)

- 500GB Western Digital Enterprise 16MB Cache SATA-2 Hard Drive

- NVIDIA 8800 GTS 640MB GDDR3 VIVO HDTV/Dual DVI (PCI-Express) DirectX 10 Graphics Card

- NEC 7173 18x DVD±RW Dual Layer LabelFlash ReWriter (Black)

- Black Sony Floppy Drive

- Antec NINE HUNDRED Gamers ATX Case

- OCZ 850W Next Generation Power Supply

- Microsoft Vista Premium 32-Bit pre-installed with License and CD supplied (64-Bit version available upon request when ordering)

this is one of the systems they use, i know this because i sold it to them, have a look http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=FS-041-OK&groupid=43&catid=781&subcat=

if the game is choppy on this system then there is a problem with the game, and yes its running DX10

Zorvan

Originally posted by Taek


 
Originally posted by Ranlawl

Originally posted by Taek


PCGAMER magazine slated the game quite heavilly after they managed to play it, they said the graphics were very intence which lead to graphics lag on even top SLI and crossfire systems (this should be fixed by the release) also they slated the revolutionary combat system by saying it is to complex have 6 bottons which  swings the sword in 6 different ways, they also mentioned after the film that practically destroyed any hope for conan's future films. is this just a way to pull the Conan out of the deep Sh*t  that the film put it in?
 
I no this game is based on the books and not the film but its still the same story, and iv just got a bad taste in my mouth after the film.

could oyu please provide a quote or link of the source where it states the system they were running it on, what quality of grahpics they were running it on, what OS, and if it was DX10 or DX9? I really find the statement that it is too complex because of six buttons rediculous, unless you only have two fingers ofcourse, and they have no relation to the film at all, plus lag is due to beta, they are still inj technical beta, not gameplay beta, i doubt they have all their servers with maximum services without a flowing income for maintenance.

If you read the 2nd word you will see magazine, this is a series pages which general gives advise and reviews of a particular subject and its not free, this means you will not find there reviews of a game on  the internet because then it would be pointless selling a magazine, however if you buy August edition of PCGAMER or PCZONE you will see the review. Now here is abit of light at the end of your tunnel:

 

- Intel Core 2 DUO E6600 2.40GHz Dual Core CPU Overclocked too a minimum of 2.93GHz and beyond. (9 x 333MHz - 1333MHz FSB)

- Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro Intel approved cooler

- Arctic Silver 5 Heatsink compound professionally hand installed by our technicians

- Asus P5N32-E SLi NVIDIA 680 (Socket LGA775) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard

- Award winning Team Xtream 2GB Ultra PC2-6400 CAS4 (2x1GB) Dual Channel Kit (Overclocked at 900MHz+)

- 500GB Western Digital Enterprise 16MB Cache SATA-2 Hard Drive

- NVIDIA 8800 GTS 640MB GDDR3 VIVO HDTV/Dual DVI (PCI-Express) DirectX 10 Graphics Card

- NEC 7173 18x DVD±RW Dual Layer LabelFlash ReWriter (Black)

- Black Sony Floppy Drive

- Antec NINE HUNDRED Gamers ATX Case

- OCZ 850W Next Generation Power Supply

- Microsoft Vista Premium 32-Bit pre-installed with License and CD supplied (64-Bit version available upon request when ordering)

this is one of the systems they use, i know this because i sold it to them, have a look http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=FS-041-OK&groupid=43&catid=781&subcat=

if the game is choppy on this system then there is a problem with the game, and yes its running DX10

I highlighted the only problem with that comp I see. Microsoft may be forcing them to make it directx10 compatible, but it is also being made for XP. I'll guarantee the game will run smoother on XP than Vista. And that's not Funcom's fault.

And as I said, it's closed beta. Which means all systems are not running at 100% and optimization rarely get's done for any game before open beta.

souldrag420

Man I'm getting so tired of all these threads saying the game is gonna suck becaues of this or that or its not like waht i did before so it's gonna suck or whatever.

So instead of making some big post argueing against you i'm just gonna say yeah your right this game that none of have played and don't know how its really gonna work out is just gonna be horrible and your not gonna like so don't play it.  That will just be one less person i have to fight for my quest kills and what not after release or filling up slots on the servers keeping me from getting int won't bother me at all if you don't like it and don't play.

 

*this post express only the views of the poster and not his guild or anyone else*

SonofSeth

If you can make macros, I won't play it!

Kyleran

I realize I don't have any basis of fact for my opinion, but I think that perhaps this game is going to challenge PC hardware quite severely and it really will run well only a box built within about a year of the release. (which is true of all cutting edge games when you think about it). 

I think my old AGP based Dell laptop isn't going to cut the grade.... and I'll need to upgrade soon......

As for the great complexity of the combat, that was sort of the whole point right?  To make a more interesting combat experience than current MMORPG's offer?

 

 

checkthis500

Originally posted by SonofSeth


If you can make macros, I won't play it!

Well then you'll be glad to read this.

 

2.11 Will you be able to queue attacks?

Yes, you will be able to queue attacks, but only a few. When you make a strike, the game will put this into queue and perform it when your current strike is complete. So you can line up strikes, or attacks, if that is what you want. Or you can fight dynamically and perform strikes as they are completed. There will not be a macro system for the real-time combat.

Hope that helps.

Taek

Originally posted by Zorvan


 
Originally posted by Taek


 
Originally posted by Ranlawl

Originally posted by Taek


PCGAMER magazine slated the game quite heavilly after they managed to play it, they said the graphics were very intence which lead to graphics lag on even top SLI and crossfire systems (this should be fixed by the release) also they slated the revolutionary combat system by saying it is to complex have 6 bottons which  swings the sword in 6 different ways, they also mentioned after the film that practically destroyed any hope for conan's future films. is this just a way to pull the Conan out of the deep Sh*t  that the film put it in?
 
I no this game is based on the books and not the film but its still the same story, and iv just got a bad taste in my mouth after the film.

could oyu please provide a quote or link of the source where it states the system they were running it on, what quality of grahpics they were running it on, what OS, and if it was DX10 or DX9? I really find the statement that it is too complex because of six buttons rediculous, unless you only have two fingers ofcourse, and they have no relation to the film at all, plus lag is due to beta, they are still inj technical beta, not gameplay beta, i doubt they have all their servers with maximum services without a flowing income for maintenance.

If you read the 2nd word you will see magazine, this is a series pages which general gives advise and reviews of a particular subject and its not free, this means you will not find there reviews of a game on  the internet because then it would be pointless selling a magazine, however if you buy August edition of PCGAMER or PCZONE you will see the review. Now here is abit of light at the end of your tunnel:

 

- Intel Core 2 DUO E6600 2.40GHz Dual Core CPU Overclocked too a minimum of 2.93GHz and beyond. (9 x 333MHz - 1333MHz FSB)

- Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro Intel approved cooler

- Arctic Silver 5 Heatsink compound professionally hand installed by our technicians

- Asus P5N32-E SLi NVIDIA 680 (Socket LGA775) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard

- Award winning Team Xtream 2GB Ultra PC2-6400 CAS4 (2x1GB) Dual Channel Kit (Overclocked at 900MHz+)

- 500GB Western Digital Enterprise 16MB Cache SATA-2 Hard Drive

- NVIDIA 8800 GTS 640MB GDDR3 VIVO HDTV/Dual DVI (PCI-Express) DirectX 10 Graphics Card

- NEC 7173 18x DVD±RW Dual Layer LabelFlash ReWriter (Black)

- Black Sony Floppy Drive

- Antec NINE HUNDRED Gamers ATX Case

- OCZ 850W Next Generation Power Supply

- Microsoft Vista Premium 32-Bit pre-installed with License and CD supplied (64-Bit version available upon request when ordering)

this is one of the systems they use, i know this because i sold it to them, have a look http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=FS-041-OK&groupid=43&catid=781&subcat=

if the game is choppy on this system then there is a problem with the game, and yes its running DX10

I highlighted the only problem with that comp I see. Microsoft may be forcing them to make it directx10 compatible, but it is also being made for XP. I'll guarantee the game will run smoother on XP than Vista. And that's not Funcom's fault.

 

And as I said, it's closed beta. Which means all systems are not running at 100% and optimization rarely get's done for any game before open beta.

First thing first this game looks great the vids look excellent and game play is something diffrent to the rest, but one thing that is annoying me is, if this game is cutting edge stuff and a next next gen game why would'nt it perform well on a next gen OS when the game is designed for windows Vista which funcom are making a big point of.

 

Dont get me wrong id love this to topple the top games and be the number 1 MMO

daarco

Originally posted by Taek


PCGAMER magazine slated the game quite heavilly after they managed to play it, they said the graphics were very intence which lead to graphics lag on even top SLI and crossfire systems (this should be fixed by the release) also they slated the revolutionary combat system by saying it is to complex have 6 bottons which  swings the sword in 6 different ways, they also mentioned after the film that practically destroyed any hope for conan's future films. is this just a way to pull the Conan out of the deep Sh*t  that the film put it in?
 
I no this game is based on the books and not the film but its still the same story, and iv just got a bad taste in my mouth after the film.

To complex combat system??

WTF??

There are many MMOs with a very simple combat system that have been around for years. I dont like em.

Finally when we are to have a "complex" combat system......some begin to complain???

AoC is the beginning of how a MMO combat system should be

And if someone dont like it..go and play those damn point and click instead

tfwarlord

Originally posted by daarco


 
Originally posted by Taek


PCGAMER magazine slated the game quite heavilly after they managed to play it, they said the graphics were very intence which lead to graphics lag on even top SLI and crossfire systems (this should be fixed by the release) also they slated the revolutionary combat system by saying it is to complex have 6 bottons which  swings the sword in 6 different ways, they also mentioned after the film that practically destroyed any hope for conan's future films. is this just a way to pull the Conan out of the deep Sh*t  that the film put it in?
 
I no this game is based on the books and not the film but its still the same story, and iv just got a bad taste in my mouth after the film.

To complex combat system??

 

WTF??

There are many MMOs with a very simple combat system that have been around for years. I dont like em.

Finally when we are to have a "complex" combat system......some begin to complain???

AoC is the beginning of how a MMO combat system should be

And if someone dont like it..go and play those damn point and click instead

yea those reviewers must be really stupid. Hmm me dont understand, push more than 1 botton? me not understand, me not like what me not understand......

Jinxys

Originally posted by Goldknyght


Im reading the books and they are excellent. The game is based of Robert E Howards writings not anyone else who wrote conan. He created conan and right now u can get all the books for 15 a pop at barns n nobs or 10 from amazon i think. Its a three book series using the writings of his short stories and novels he wrote about conan.
Book 1 - The coming of Conan the Cimmerian
Book 2 - The bloody crown of Conan
Book 3 - The conquering sword of Conan
and the game starts from the story in book two the hour of the dragon. So happy reading for the few that feel this might be a good read.

  I am currently reading The coming of Conan the Cimmerian , once I am done with this one, I am heading back to Barnes & Noble to get the 2nd and 3rd book. Excellent reading and the fact they are basing the game off Robert E. Howard's Conan is truly exciting. But yeah, if anyone is looking for a great read, pick those books up. ! So sad that Robert E. Howard's life was so short.

 

-Manaia

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