You ignored the rest of my post completely. Show me where there is a revolutionary F2P or B2P game that is out? You can't, you know why? Because there isn't one! The people that argued about DVDs replacing VHS had information about DVDs and such. You have no factual, clear evidence of what you're talking about. All you have are your beliefs and predictions about WHAT YOU THINK will happen. You opinion isn't based on anything that is factual, however.
But here I'll give you something. As I have been saying, GUILD WARS 2 which will have many features as current MMOs such as WoW, EQ2, and the like will be B2P with no monthly subscription. Now obviously you'll have your GW fans that will come over, however depending mostly on the CONTENT and PARTIALLY on the graphics it could see HUGE popularity such as WoW or greater or not.
We will see when it's released in the next couple of years.
However, at this point of time your belief and bullshit about f2p and b2p games will replace p2p games is based on nothing than your own madeup beliefs.
Everything will eventually come to an end. So yes P2P will come to an end...but by something NEW that will also replace F2P and B2P. But don't expect to see that any time soon. Subscription based MMOs are like the television. They will be tweaked, but have one hell of a shelf-life.
Originally posted by ORsaleen What do you mean F2p has no risk and no reward. There are plenty of great Free to play games out there. Saying they all such is plain ignorant.
WoW is like a religion. They only want your time and money.
He's the deal, it's easy to turn away from a F2P game, you provided nothing towards it. Only your time. No risk, no reward, you will never feel the accomplishment that you would in a P2P game.
I absolutely hate WoW but I will not be blinded by the fact it isn't the greatest MMO, because by numbers it doesn't fail.
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You ignored the rest of my post completely. Show me where there is a revolutionary F2P or B2P game that is out? You can't, you know why? Because there isn't one! The people that argued about DVDs replacing VHS had information about DVDs and such. You have no factual, clear evidence of what you're talking about. All you have are your beliefs and predictions about WHAT YOU THINK will happen. You opinion isn't based on anything that is factual, however.
But here I'll give you something. As I have been saying, GUILD WARS 2 which will have many features as current MMOs such as WoW, EQ2, and the like will be B2P with no monthly subscription. Now obviously you'll have your GW fans that will come over, however depending mostly on the CONTENT and PARTIALLY on the graphics it could see HUGE popularity such as WoW or greater or not. We will see when it's released in the next couple of years. However, at this point of time your belief and bullshit about f2p and b2p games will replace p2p games is based on nothing than your own madeup beliefs.
Everything will eventually come to an end. So yes P2P will come to an end...but by something NEW that will also replace F2P and B2P. But don't expect to see that any time soon. Subscription based MMOs are like the television. They will be tweaked, but have one hell of a shelf-life.
Since the race is not over how might i show you a reolutionary game? There are WAY more B2p games out there with no montly fees. Players desire those much more than P2p.
Originally posted by ORsaleen Originally posted by Retrad You ignored the rest of my post completely. Show me where there is a revolutionary F2P or B2P game that is out? You can't, you know why? Because there isn't one! The people that argued about DVDs replacing VHS had information about DVDs and such. You have no factual, clear evidence of what you're talking about. All you have are your beliefs and predictions about WHAT YOU THINK will happen. You opinion isn't based on anything that is factual, however.
But here I'll give you something. As I have been saying, GUILD WARS 2 which will have many features as current MMOs such as WoW, EQ2, and the like will be B2P with no monthly subscription. Now obviously you'll have your GW fans that will come over, however depending mostly on the CONTENT and PARTIALLY on the graphics it could see HUGE popularity such as WoW or greater or not. We will see when it's released in the next couple of years. However, at this point of time your belief and bullshit about f2p and b2p games will replace p2p games is based on nothing than your own madeup beliefs.
Everything will eventually come to an end. So yes P2P will come to an end...but by something NEW that will also replace F2P and B2P. But don't expect to see that any time soon. Subscription based MMOs are like the television. They will be tweaked, but have one hell of a shelf-life.
Since the race is not over how might i show you a reolutionary game? There are WAY more B2p games out there with no montly fees. Players desire those much more than P2p.
What race? There is no race...
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I think its is obvious to all here that ORsaleen is chatting total nonsense. He is obviously living
in and talking about his own made up dream world. lol.
Anyways in part - I must say that I think the current state of commercial competition
in the MMO industry is a sad state of affairs. And the the bad management and production of MMO's
are partially to balme for this silly argument. If the games they made really where as good as they could be, we wouldnt be having this discussion because everything would be perfect. The fact is there is a great deal that could be improved about MMO's.
Their financial model - IE P2P - is not, however, one of those things that could be changed. Here is to a better Gameplay future!
What do you mean F2p has no risk and no reward. There are plenty of great Free to play games out there. Saying they all such is plain ignorant.
WoW is like a religion. They only want your time and money.
He's the deal, it's easy to turn away from a F2P game, you provided nothing towards it. Only your time. No risk, no reward, you will never feel the accomplishment that you would in a P2P game.
I absolutely hate WoW but I will not be blinded by the fact it isn't the greatest MMO, because by numbers it doesn't fail.
Thats not true. Any game whether it be free or P2p, you will feel accomplishment. What risk are you talking about in a P2p game? What Reward?
Your sig reads "The future of MMOs look bright, bring on the innovation!"
So far you are just telling me "long live the past!". If you would like to see what the future brings be optomistic.
Trade offs are the same thing. You change somthing in real life just to pay for your game. Thats addiction. People that buy drugs do the same thing.
So you get everything you want, and never have to make a choice between two things? You have infinite amounts of money to spend, and never pass on something so you can have something else instead? I'm finding that very hard to believe.
I bought a plane ticket to visit my family. I could have spent that $400 on new games, new clothes, new hardware, almost anything. According to your silly little definition, I'm addicted to plane tickets, since I gave up something to buy it. I wanted to paint the walls of my apartment white. That means I couldn't paint them blue, or yellow, or red. My God, I gave up blue and red so I could have white! I must be addicted to the color white! Thank you for opening my eyes!
I'm going to have to agree with nearly everyone else who's responded to you: You're full of shit.
Originally posted by ORsaleen Originally posted by HashBrick
Originally posted by ORsaleen What do you mean F2p has no risk and no reward. There are plenty of great Free to play games out there. Saying they all such is plain ignorant.WoW is like a religion. They only want your time and money.
He's the deal, it's easy to turn away from a F2P game, you provided nothing towards it. Only your time. No risk, no reward, you will never feel the accomplishment that you would in a P2P game. I absolutely hate WoW but I will not be blinded by the fact it isn't the greatest MMO, because by numbers it doesn't fail. Thats not true. Any game whether it be free or P2p, you will feel accomplishment. What risk are you talking about in a P2p game? What Reward?
Your sig reads "The future of MMOs look bright, bring on the innovation!" So far you are just telling me "long live the past!". If you would like to see what the future brings be optomistic.
There is nothing innovative about F2P games, they are normally cookie cutters or hacked Lineage II clients.
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Trade offs are the same thing. You change somthing in real life just to pay for your game. Thats addiction. People that buy drugs do the same thing.
So you get everything you want, and never have to make a choice between two things? You have infinite amounts of money to spend, and never pass on something so you can have something else instead? I'm finding that very hard to believe.
I bought a plane ticket to visit my family. I could have spent that $400 on new games, new clothes, new hardware, almost anything. According to your silly little definition, I'm addicted to plane tickets, since I gave up something to buy it. I wanted to paint the walls of my apartment white. That means I couldn't paint them blue, or yellow, or red. My God, I gave up blue and red so I could have white! I must be addicted to the color white! Thank you for opening my eyes!
I'm going to have to agree with nearly everyone else who's responded to you: You're full of shit.
When i make choices i never say to myself "hmmm if dont eat at dominoes ill have enough money for a game". Lowering your standard of living to pay for a game you dont play means you really are addicted. You obviously dont see it. Continue to deny it all. Your plane ticket argument makes no sense. I was talking about You not eating just to play a game. Dont change the subject. I know what im saying, and im saying your pathetic.
Wierd, you always have to budget yourself. Sometimes putting more money towards a game removes funds from other stuff, and for some people who treat MMORPG's as their hobby, the 15 bucks goes alot longer than a couple pizza's.
Let me clarify a little better for you guys. This is a race. Its about the future. You will notice with the increasing MMO's players will be spread more evenly throughout every game. Graphics are more important than gameplay. For example, you hear about a brand new MMO just released. You and along with 100,000 other people. You go to the website, the first thing you click on are the Screenshots. This is where the numbers will drop the most severly. No one, not even the person who said they would take 1980's graphics would even think about playing it. Let's say its a stick figures MMO, do you really think even 10% of the 100,000 players are going to stick around after seeing that? STICK FIGURE MMO!?!? Finally! I love Kingdom of Loathing. On the other hand, lets say the game supports shader model 3.0 and has the most realistic graphics you've ever seen in any MMO. Just the sight of seeing those graphics WILL make a player start to download their product, or look deeper into before deciding. Or they might have crappy computers and leave. If you are using stupid logic then I can too.
The biggest market is proven to be in item mall and Buy to play. Pay to play WILL be a thing of the past. Games are already starting to realise this the way Guild Wars has. Creating a new stand alone game after every 6 months will boost sales greatly. Please check out the list of P2p games, count how many you havent played. How many did you count? Probably 10? 20? more? All of them have a fanbase with people who like their game reguardless of what the majority thinks. WoW, Lineage, FF XI, EvE, etc, etc... disagrees. But how does the majority get word of the game if its P2p? You really think with all the competition a Pay 2 Play game is a smart choice? Sure you will immediately grab a few players but you will never succeed. B2p and F2p has the biggest base with players and can still make plently of money. P2p is a thing of the past and is nopt an option with all of the imcomming competition I haven't heard of any upcoming free MMOs except of Perfect World. Tons of P2P however.
I know you all may think gameplay is much much more important but the truth is there are other factors that influence more than gameplay. I agree gameplay is important but it is not what gets you your customers. Its what keeps yoru customers. Grabbing your customers is much more important. The first step is to grab and the next is to get them to stay. Any player would tell you its all about gameplay, but the truth is its not. Its just a misconception. SWG disagrees along with EQ 2, Eltima, etc. etc. etc. @ Gameloading - I respect what you have to say. However you are wrong. First off, game companies can buy servers, rent them, or even get them for free. The costs to host these large servers is quite a bit. However most of these companies strike great deals by renting or buying multiple servers. However just advertising on their site will fully cover their server cost if they have a decent amount of players. For example, MMORPG ranks about 5,000 out of every website.They probably make somewhere around $25,000 a month just on advertisements. Dont believe me? They could probably sell their website for over a quarter of a million. Still dont believe me? Check yourself. Look and see how much traffic comes to MMORPG. Can you host some games for me then? http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?url=www.mmorpg.com As for your comment on P2p being an option. It is wrong. It may have worked for lotr only because of fan base. Just wait and see when it dies down. P2p is a thing of the past. Just wait and see. Its like those good old price wars between similar companies. Lowest prices outsource everyone else. It will be the same for MMORPG's in this race. B2p and item mall is the future. Let me explain something... There is a thing called... Inflation. Not only will P2P still be around it will cost more. "Its like saying we should never pay money for gas for a car. A car requires resources, and an MMORPG is no different." Wrong. I am saying the future does not rely on gas. Gas WILL run out. The resources for the car are not limitless. Actually gas can replenish itself given time. However, we are taking at much too fast a rate. Also I refure to buy a hybrid or electric car until they look perty. I am saying rather than paying for a gas car and putting gas into it every week, buy an electric or hybrid car. Its all about the future, not the past. The past is P2p, the future will not shine so brightly on any P2p game. Gaming companies are even starting to notice this. Take for example 9 Dragons, Cabal, 2 moons, and even ArchLord. All of these are realising what the future brings. A game like lotr might have gotten away with it, but mark my words. It will NOT get away with it in the end. Eventually it will fail, and even you will begin to notice. All of those game suck majorly.
"There are WAY more B2p games out there with no montly fees."
What are those wonderful b2p games that are out there? I am hoping by games you ment mmos, and not just games, otherwise I fear you'll tell me mortal combat and halo and what not =p The only b2p mmo out there is guild wars, and the only upcoming b2p game is gw2. So what are all those b2p mmos that make up "WAY more B2p games out there with no monthly fees?"
You ignored the rest of my post completely. Show me where there is a revolutionary F2P or B2P game that is out? You can't, you know why? Because there isn't one! The people that argued about DVDs replacing VHS had information about DVDs and such. You have no factual, clear evidence of what you're talking about. All you have are your beliefs and predictions about WHAT YOU THINK will happen. You opinion isn't based on anything that is factual, however.
But here I'll give you something. As I have been saying, GUILD WARS 2 which will have many features as current MMOs such as WoW, EQ2, and the like will be B2P with no monthly subscription. Now obviously you'll have your GW fans that will come over, however depending mostly on the CONTENT and PARTIALLY on the graphics it could see HUGE popularity such as WoW or greater or not. We will see when it's released in the next couple of years. However, at this point of time your belief and bullshit about f2p and b2p games will replace p2p games is based on nothing than your own madeup beliefs.
Everything will eventually come to an end. So yes P2P will come to an end...but by something NEW that will also replace F2P and B2P. But don't expect to see that any time soon. Subscription based MMOs are like the television. They will be tweaked, but have one hell of a shelf-life.
Since the race is not over how might i show you a reolutionary game? There are WAY more B2p games out there with no montly fees. Players desire those much more than P2p.
Are you serious? We are talking about MMOs here, not ALL GAMES. You a clueless clown, obviously. I mean seriously, you're trying to use games such as 9 Dragons, 2 moons, and Archlord as your defense. All those games have horrible game play. They all lack content, and they all lack a stable and large player base. Hell, SWG has more players than all three of those games combined. Get a clue and stafoo, noob.
Funny thread. No way in hell release date is the most important. I mean lol just look at Vanguard...releasing earlier as possible didn't do it any favours, did it.
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You ignored the rest of my post completely. Show me where there is a revolutionary F2P or B2P game that is out? You can't, you know why? Because there isn't one! The people that argued about DVDs replacing VHS had information about DVDs and such. You have no factual, clear evidence of what you're talking about. All you have are your beliefs and predictions about WHAT YOU THINK will happen. You opinion isn't based on anything that is factual, however.
But here I'll give you something. As I have been saying, GUILD WARS 2 which will have many features as current MMOs such as WoW, EQ2, and the like will be B2P with no monthly subscription. Now obviously you'll have your GW fans that will come over, however depending mostly on the CONTENT and PARTIALLY on the graphics it could see HUGE popularity such as WoW or greater or not.
We will see when it's released in the next couple of years.
However, at this point of time your belief and bullshit about f2p and b2p games will replace p2p games is based on nothing than your own madeup beliefs.
Everything will eventually come to an end. So yes P2P will come to an end...but by something NEW that will also replace F2P and B2P. But don't expect to see that any time soon. Subscription based MMOs are like the television. They will be tweaked, but have one hell of a shelf-life.
He's the deal, it's easy to turn away from a F2P game, you provided nothing towards it. Only your time. No risk, no reward, you will never feel the accomplishment that you would in a P2P game.
I absolutely hate WoW but I will not be blinded by the fact it isn't the greatest MMO, because by numbers it doesn't fail.
Since the race is not over how might i show you a reolutionary game? There are WAY more B2p games out there with no montly fees. Players desire those much more than P2p.
What race? There is no race...
I think its is obvious to all here that ORsaleen is chatting total nonsense. He is obviously living
in and talking about his own made up dream world. lol.
Anyways in part - I must say that I think the current state of commercial competition
in the MMO industry is a sad state of affairs. And the the bad management and production of MMO's
are partially to balme for this silly argument. If the games they made really where as good as they could be, we wouldnt be having this discussion because everything would be perfect. The fact is there is a great deal that could be improved about MMO's.
Their financial model - IE P2P - is not, however, one of those things that could be changed. Here is to a better Gameplay future!
Know Thyself.
He's the deal, it's easy to turn away from a F2P game, you provided nothing towards it. Only your time. No risk, no reward, you will never feel the accomplishment that you would in a P2P game.
I absolutely hate WoW but I will not be blinded by the fact it isn't the greatest MMO, because by numbers it doesn't fail.
Thats not true. Any game whether it be free or P2p, you will feel accomplishment. What risk are you talking about in a P2p game? What Reward?
Your sig reads "The future of MMOs look bright, bring on the innovation!"
So far you are just telling me "long live the past!". If you would like to see what the future brings be optomistic.
I bought a plane ticket to visit my family. I could have spent that $400 on new games, new clothes, new hardware, almost anything. According to your silly little definition, I'm addicted to plane tickets, since I gave up something to buy it. I wanted to paint the walls of my apartment white. That means I couldn't paint them blue, or yellow, or red. My God, I gave up blue and red so I could have white! I must be addicted to the color white! Thank you for opening my eyes!
I'm going to have to agree with nearly everyone else who's responded to you: You're full of shit.
100% agree with Bonobotheory
lol
Know Thyself.
He's the deal, it's easy to turn away from a F2P game, you provided nothing towards it. Only your time. No risk, no reward, you will never feel the accomplishment that you would in a P2P game.
I absolutely hate WoW but I will not be blinded by the fact it isn't the greatest MMO, because by numbers it doesn't fail.
Thats not true. Any game whether it be free or P2p, you will feel accomplishment. What risk are you talking about in a P2p game? What Reward?
Your sig reads "The future of MMOs look bright, bring on the innovation!"
So far you are just telling me "long live the past!". If you would like to see what the future brings be optomistic.
There is nothing innovative about F2P games, they are normally cookie cutters or hacked Lineage II clients.
(edited - post I was replying to was deleted)
The word "sense" belongs nowhere in this thread.
I bought a plane ticket to visit my family. I could have spent that $400 on new games, new clothes, new hardware, almost anything. According to your silly little definition, I'm addicted to plane tickets, since I gave up something to buy it. I wanted to paint the walls of my apartment white. That means I couldn't paint them blue, or yellow, or red. My God, I gave up blue and red so I could have white! I must be addicted to the color white! Thank you for opening my eyes!
I'm going to have to agree with nearly everyone else who's responded to you: You're full of shit.
When i make choices i never say to myself "hmmm if dont eat at dominoes ill have enough money for a game". Lowering your standard of living to pay for a game you dont play means you really are addicted. You obviously dont see it. Continue to deny it all. Your plane ticket argument makes no sense. I was talking about You not eating just to play a game. Dont change the subject. I know what im saying, and im saying your pathetic.
Wierd, you always have to budget yourself. Sometimes putting more money towards a game removes funds from other stuff, and for some people who treat MMORPG's as their hobby, the 15 bucks goes alot longer than a couple pizza's.
So after reading this thread all I have to say to the op is....can I have some of what you are smoking?
Ever heard the old tried and true saying..."You get what you pay for"
If not play some of the F2p games and figure it out for yourself.
"One word, Thundercougarfalconbird."
Out of sheer amusement:
"There are WAY more B2p games out there with no montly fees."
What are those wonderful b2p games that are out there? I am hoping by games you ment mmos, and not just games, otherwise I fear you'll tell me mortal combat and halo and what not =p The only b2p mmo out there is guild wars, and the only upcoming b2p game is gw2. So what are all those b2p mmos that make up "WAY more B2p games out there with no monthly fees?"
Since the race is not over how might i show you a reolutionary game? There are WAY more B2p games out there with no montly fees. Players desire those much more than P2p.
Are you serious? We are talking about MMOs here, not ALL GAMES. You a clueless clown, obviously. I mean seriously, you're trying to use games such as 9 Dragons, 2 moons, and Archlord as your defense. All those games have horrible game play. They all lack content, and they all lack a stable and large player base. Hell, SWG has more players than all three of those games combined. Get a clue and stafoo, noob.
Funny thread. No way in hell release date is the most important. I mean lol just look at Vanguard...releasing earlier as possible didn't do it any favours, did it.
This thread is made of fail and fail.
You lose the race
lol
It is you who lose race!
/corney russian accent
It is you who lose race!
/corney russian accent
Blast!
I've been foiled again!
Up, up, and away!