Vanguard players might want to read this....

Pyrostasis

So I was originally a VG player at release, but after a month or so gave up as there was just to much wrong with it... however have been checking in with hopes that it might get better... so much drama around this.

Then today I get a card in the mail from sony. It says the following:

"Thank you for playing Vanguard: Saga of Heroes.

Our records reflect you have cancelled your account. We are hard at work addressing the community's feedback and requests and in the meantime thought you may enjoy another one of Sony Online Entertainment's flagship MMOs.

SOE would like to offer you a FREE digital copy of EverQuest II, including the first three expansions and the first three adventure packs (up to a $60 value in total) and an opportunity to enjoy this established and very fun MMO on us! To take advantage of this special offer, log into your Station Account now and play for free untill 11:59PM PT September 15th, 2007"

Goes on to talk about how good EQ2 has become etc etc.

Not sure about you folks... but looks like SOE just tried to get all the former VG players who cancelled and might be waiting to play another game... instead of trying to assure us that VG is fine and well... and we are working on it.

If I were a VG player Id be rather pissed... and afraid.

mmorpg1972

It just means that Sony have lots of things in the pipeline for its flagship product, Vanguard! Vanguard players should be very excited, and look forwards to a great future for this fantastic game! Vanguard has turned the corner, and subscriptions are increasing, and everything is fine!

Raunu

Originally posted by mmorpg1972

It just means that Sony have lots of things in the pipeline for its flagship product, Vanguard! Vanguard players should be very excited, and look forwards to a great future for this fantastic game! Vanguard has turned the corner, and subscriptions are increasing, and everything is fine!

SOE is just trying to keep their subscription numbers high. I'm sure a few months down the road they will send you an email about how great Vanguard is becoming and try to get you to subscribe to it.  SOE is making great progress with Vanguard, they took the people that pulled EQ2 from the hole and put them on Vanguard and they are doing a fantastic job. Just give it some time and I'm sure Vanguard will be a much better game than it originally was.

zazz

Sony did what they set out to do , Destroy the competition , Vanguard could had been the grail to a large niche grp of old eq'ers blah blah and yes once again potential was massive , they knew what they were doing the first time they put there money infront of Sigil , divide and conquer , push for early release let Sigil go into total turmoil and then buy it out , where as not losing a horde of EQ2 members over time & potential clients and maintain the exodus. 

Sonys pockets are so deep they could had funded 10's of vanguards and not even felt the bite for years but its all about marketing , total Corp annihalation , they will keep VG sub par while they continue there marketing ploy with EQ2 deals over the forthcomming months .

But anyway sony has still done soem good things specially with likes of EQ2 over the last few years cant blame them for protecting the main product and time invested, 20million (yes a wild guess) for a empty world of promises is nothing to them or in the grand scheme of business.

Ive been playing VG since early beta 2 almost every day and just love it to a point,  though i think if there was even soem sort of population it would had changed the game regardless of lack of lore/story/mid/high end content blahdeblah but alas wasnt meant to be & there snail crawl like strategy to get out patches to fix the game is beyond a joke and tbh they proberly jusrt cleaning up tons of stuff Sigil had all ready done but not realeased.

My first post im a reader i dont usually get involved but to me its so evident what they trying to do (yes just my opinion) it just sadens me but on the brightside EQ" is now a quality game and will get a few more people to play with even if not for long.

Sorry for bad english & structure, i needed little vent.

deucallion

Originally posted by mmorpg1972

It just means that Sony have lots of things in the pipeline for its flagship product, Vanguard! Vanguard players should be very excited, and look forwards to a great future for this fantastic game! Vanguard has turned the corner, and subscriptions are increasing, and everything is fine!

How much is SOE paying you to say that?

 

shukes33

are they really that evil? i mean come on people! i think when someone offers a gesture of goodwill you should at least show a little dignity. do any of you realise how huge SOE are? they are not the little desperate struggling company that you make them out to be. they are huge and dont need to act like that. they are that big they could just choose to ignore the haters and it wouldn't make much of a difference. i was once worried about soe taking control of things too. but after endless threads about how evil they are and how they dont care i really had to try again to see if it's true. so i played eq2. alas i found out that it was a solid game and that they had actually done really good things with the game. ok granted mistakes were made with SWG. then i heard they took over VG which was in dire straight's. 2 weeks ago i tried again. alas they seem to have turned a corner with that game too.

i admit i owe you all a huge thank you for opening my eyes and makeing me realise that i am no judge and jury and that there are so many people who spend so much time trying to destroy what people enjoy. well done SOE for not buckling under the pressure of these people and for helping gamers like myself to enjoy games like EQ2 and VG. keep it up please.

and it's nice to see a company who is even to blame for VG, still have the decency to offer something to say sorry! of course you are a buissness and like all will have a strategy behind it all. if you didn't then i would turn my back on such a foolish company. again thank you!

Tolwynn

 

 

 

".... and it came to pass, that in the ancient age of information, 'SoE,  shall assimilate all - Resistance is futile, submit''

Unknown Prophet -2010, 1st Teklnoc:Chapter4 ver17

 

 

/snicker

 

I think it is a smart decision...it will keep their customers in the loop, persay.

 

 

zazz

Lmao in no way am i flaming you seem like a nice guy , but its there way of saying sorry ? heh dude its people like you that assume all they do is for your benefit and acts of kindness is deluded, is a nice way to think of it but i very much doubt it somehow.

shukes33

i may have had a bit of a rant there! sorry i didn't mean to go of so much.

it's not that i think everything they do is for our benefit i just dont think they are as bad as people make out that's all. i think with eq2 and now VG they are doing a good job. it's the same with VG, it has such a bad rep now that it's impossible to get back to a decent level and Soe seem to suffering the same. i maybe like to see the best in things and give them too much of a chance, but some of us maybe go th other way and dont give any chance's. i would like personally to give them a chance and see what happens next. hopefully they can come up with the goods.

DownMonkey

Originally posted by zazz

Sony did what they set out to do , Destroy the competition , Vanguard could had been the grail to a large niche grp of old eq'ers blah blah and yes once again potential was massive , they knew what they were doing the first time they put there money infront of Sigil , divide and conquer , push for early release let Sigil go into total turmoil and then buy it out , where as not losing a horde of EQ2 members over time & potential clients and maintain the exodus. 
Sonys pockets are so deep they could had funded 10's of vanguards and not even felt the bite for years but its all about marketing , total Corp annihalation , they will keep VG sub par while they continue there marketing ploy with EQ2 deals over the forthcomming months.

A perfect example of someone talking out of nothing but a ridiculous view point. Have you worked in the MMO industry? I'd put money on that being a no because you have no clue what you're talking about.

Vaedur

Last two patches increase performance drastically, SoE is 2 for 2 on patches, the game has greatly improved..

Any vanguard player will tell you they want to perform disgusting acts on soe in apprechiation for fixing their game.  Thank you very much..

Anyone who says otherwise is just another troll who doesn't play the game and wants to see the death of soe..

 

 

Kyleran

What most fail to realize is that SOE isn't trying to get people to subscribe to any one game, they really are trying to build station access customers, so they offer free EQ 2, and someday former VG players may return to VG once its fixed up..... won't cost them any  more money really (unless there's an exp pack)

zazz

Originally posted by DownMonkey

Originally posted by zazz


Sony did what they set out to do , Destroy the competition , Vanguard could had been the grail to a large niche grp of old eq'ers blah blah and yes once again potential was massive , they knew what they were doing the first time they put there money infront of Sigil , divide and conquer , push for early release let Sigil go into total turmoil and then buy it out , where as not losing a horde of EQ2 members over time & potential clients and maintain the exodus. 
Sonys pockets are so deep they could had funded 10's of vanguards and not even felt the bite for years but its all about marketing , total Corp annihalation , they will keep VG sub par while they continue there marketing ploy with EQ2 deals over the forthcomming months.

A perfect example of someone talking out of nothing but a ridiculous view point. Have you worked in the MMO industry? I'd put money on that being a no because you have no clue what you're talking about.

Have you lol ? i doubt this too , but one thing i do know about is corporate business and how they operate and tbh its nothing to do with the MMO industry i have no doubt those devs and everyone related to the disegn and implementation put some serious love into there job and the game itself shows that ......IM talking about Business which has nothing to do with game design or relations this is $$$$$$$$$, we talking suits , executives who are making descions not the average joe working his butt off .

And its a opinion so no need for personal attacks but alas its people liek yourself that Sony and busineses alike keep them going with deluded ideas of self worth when in fact you aint nothing other than a buck.

Out of curiosity you said this was crazy point of view , want to explain why ?

Samuraisword

That's funny.

By offering EQ2 they are admitting Vanguard sucks and are suggesting it won't get any better.

DownMonkey

Originally posted by zazz

Have you lol ? i doubt this too

Yes actually, I have. Also I dunno what your idea of a personal attack is but my post wasn't even close to one, you stated ridiculous view points and stated them as fact. Then you make a second post claiming to be talking about "business", well I'm sorry but if you think comments like "Sony's pockets are so deep they could had funded 10's of MMOs and not felt the bite for years" would stand up in ANY business you're kidding yourself.

These views that SOE wanted/aided the start of the death of Vanguard are just silly, SOE is the only reason the game was released in the first place, they are the only reason the game is running now and they are the only reason the game has a future.

shukes33

no friend i think SOE are a little more mature than that and maybe have some kind of plan of action. i would suggest they are offering it as a sweetner to keep subs and try to eventually revive the game. if they thought the game was a lost hope they would cut thier loses. lets face it they are not exactly short of cash are they. the fact that they are trying indicates to me that someone there feels there is hope yet for this game. there are too many hypocrits out there at the moment trying to make out that soe are desperate to keep subs up, while at the same time saying they have that much cash that they dont care. it's just now people are seeing this and asking the questions about the soe haters instead.

Lucifrank

Originally posted by shukes33


no friend i think SOE are a little more mature than that and maybe have some kind of plan of action. i would suggest they are offering it as a sweetner to keep subs and try to eventually revive the game. if they thought the game was a lost hope they would cut thier loses. lets face it they are not exactly short of cash are they. the fact that they are trying indicates to me that someone there feels there is hope yet for this game. there are too many hypocrits out there at the moment trying to make out that soe are desperate to keep subs up, while at the same time saying they have that much cash that they dont care. it's just now people are seeing this and asking the questions about the soe haters instead.

Let's face it, V:SoH is not gonna be fixed overnight. SOE has to get the game out of the grave Sigil dug for it before anyone but a dwindling niche market has any interest in this title. In the meantime, I don't see anything wrong or sinister with SOE offering trials of EQ2. This is their flagship title at the moment and I'm sure SOE sees this as a good way to show off the benefits of their PlayPass. From a business perspective, at worst, some people who got swindled by Sigil may give EQ2 a shot and actually like it, garnering SOE some new subscribers. And from a players' perspective, it gives V:SoH fans who may have maxed out or grown bored with Vanguard something to do until SOE is able to wrap the jaws of life around the Vanguard IP and turn it into something actually FUN.

zazz

LOl ok well walk and talk around it all you want but still the question is why ? ...if your self proclaim MMO experience cannot gather you the intelligence to say soemthing better than its <SIlly> haha then i dont know what to say , i agree it proberly isnt right but is my opinion but tbh its about as possible as your delusion too.

ormstunga

Originally posted by Samuraisword


That's funny.
By offering EQ2 they are admitting Vanguard sucks and are suggesting it won't get any better.

no what's funny is you dont understand business, but hey  who cares right  

tombear81

Oh dear this isnt a good omen for VG future is it ?

 

 

In some ways its nice SOE are doing this but it does fit into there "station access" quantity over quality policy. Many games some of which are bound to appeal to a fair selection of persons. Personally I dont like this attitude and its more an excuse to release software with no shelf life or playability but hey tis ok cause you got access to loadsa titles to play. Fir the average joe this might seem like a great deal but for avid and passionate MMO peeps like on these boards, probably not a great move.

I dont think SOE are placing enormous faith in VG being a success but then I pretty much sussed that VG dire state and serious problems make it a prime candidate for SOE station. Its never going to stand alone.

No.. again this is bad news for VG. Oh well

sepher

A little weird for SOE to do when supposedly a Win Back campaign is in the works for Vanguard's "re-launch". Who exactly is Vanguard supposed to "win back" if they're playing Everquest 2? I'd understand it all a bit more if this was a direct invitation to the Station Access fold, but instead it's a direct invitation to Everquest 2.



A lil sheist, but good business I suppose. It's better those old customers go to EQII than other non-SOE products. So I suppose SOE is smart in knowing that former players aren't just sitting around waiting for Vanguard to improve to some magical point where it's satisfactory to play.

//\//\oo

Originally posted by zazz


Sony did what they set out to do , Destroy the competition ,

 

You're kidding, right? Destroy the competition that was supposed to be part of their returns? That's microsoft sabotaging the Xbox360, or Sony refusing to make any games for the PS3.

How do you think Sigil got the capital to keep the game in production after Microsoft pulled out? Hmm? SOE

You do not have any idea what you are talking about in the least. Go do some research before you spout nonsense on internet forums, or wait... then they wouldn't be internet gaming forums, now, would they?

 

chryses

I might be getting one of those cards soon in the post.  I unfortunately paid 6 months up front for VG as I loved it in the first month. However standing around for hours screaming for a group is starting to wear off.   Vanguard sums up the usual issue for developers.  Gloss vs gameplay.  On the right system the game is gorgeous but they seriously need to sort out deeper game play and any kind of RvR pvp.  Otherwise like myself and many other guildies, when we hit the 3 month mark AKA level 40 we are already finishing up and eagerly looking towards AoC, War, PotBS and Tabula Rasa.  SOE have approximately 3 months to show why VG is a contender for the big releases coming out otherwise they should have a few thousand cards written up (They wish! more like 3 hundred).  Either that or half the subs.

VG may get there but I can't help feel that the developers in a years time will be saying  coulda, woulda, shoulda

 

DownMonkey

Originally posted by zazz

LOl ok well walk and talk around it all you want but still the question is why ? ...if your self proclaim MMO experience cannot gather you the intelligence to say soemthing better than its <SIlly> haha then i dont know what to say , i agree it proberly isnt right but is my opinion but tbh its about as possible as your delusion too.

This just gets worse and worse, because I called your post "silly" you don't know what to say? Oh I can think of a lot more to say about your posts but you already seem prone to taking being told you're wrong as a personal attack and I have better things to do.

You agree that you probably aren't right BUT think that I'm probably not right either?! You know it's not right but it's STILL your opinion?! "Walk and talk around it all you want but still the question is still why?", what are you talking about? Why what? The question isn't why at all. Why did they offer EQ2 subscriptions? The player had left, they still wanted his money they made him an offer, simple. SOE did not conspire against Vanguard, SOE is not the devil, SOE did not fake the moon landings. Get a grip on the SOE hate! I'm an easy going laid back guy and I honestly wouldn't bash these SOE hate posts so much if they weren't so full of random silly rubbish.

Sig released early because they ran out of cash and had ZERO choice in their OWN words, it wasn't SOEs job to pump them full of money to keep them going, they are not the bank of Vanguard. As for this stuff about them wanting it to fail and having a bottomless pit of money, if they had REALLY wanted Vanguard to fail and saw it as a big competitor to EQ2 then they would have shut Vanguard down as a waste of time and money and pumped all that extra cash into EQ2 instead. But why would they do that, they'd already put monkey into the game and then spent more buying Sig and bailing them out again, why would they want it to fail!?

randomt

eq2 has the same general style as vanguard, so it makes a nice "here play this while you wait for us to fix vanguard" thing that keeps the players in a soe product.  I don't see anything sinister here, it's just directing people in a particular target audience into another product of similar nature.

Hating soe for what they have done in the past doesn't mean soe is actually out to get you

 

Urdig

Originally posted by Kyleran


What most fail to realize is that SOE isn't trying to get people to subscribe to any one game, they really are trying to build station access customers, so they offer free EQ 2, and someday former VG players may return to VG once its fixed up..... won't cost them any  more money really (unless there's an exp pack)

QFT

Sounds like a smart move to me.

EQ2 is actually a pretty good MMO.