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I gotta bad feeling...
MrTumN3s
Member Posts: 439
Things that MIGHT bring this game down...
1.) M Rated
2.) High graphics ( and people complained about VG)
3.) New , unused combat system
4.) 1 race
5.) Release near WAR( somewhat )
If you have anymore please do tell.
Not meant to be a flame
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Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils ... - Louis Hector Berlioz
Comments
1) A rare chance there might be actually mature people in this game might actually encourage people to play.
2) Yes, making game for latest hardware does limit it but not too much, those who cant afford a good PC will be playing through Xbox360
3) True, this either makes it or breaks it...time will tell.
4) All the fantasy races have been done to death anyway, and Conan world wouldn't really fit any other races than different ethnics of human...Conan isn't high fantasy game.
5) WAR and AoC will appeal to completely different groups of people so both will have their own circle of fans...WAR might win on that round tough, with it tapping on the WoW fanbase...but i'm sure there will be enough following for both games to succeed
I gotta bad feeling... but its because i had 3 cups of some very strong coffee....
everything you mention in your list here is either ..
1. why im excited (m rating, less kiddies, severed limbs, nudity, cursing ?)
2. you dont know 100% what your talking about (in realtion to the specs, check other posts)
3. its how the game is intended. (i dont want elves and orcs and crap like that, and i cant be sure but i dont think they are a part of the conan lore.) (combat system... errors are expected , but if people dont try anythign new .. we would all still be playing pong, or nothing at all)
So I would like to say .. i have a GOOD feeling.
To the OP your 14 yrs old, best not to play this game you will have nightmares.
No wonder you put No.1 as M rating.
Basically you listed AoC's great points that have been known for some time now.
Good luck in finding a new game to play
1.) M-rating would lower the player base, im not saying the less kiddies and nudity and all that is bad. Its just the m rating really does lower the player base as opposed to if it was a teen game.
2.) i do know what i am talking about in relation to the specs. They said their requirements were close to those of Oblivion. Going back to Vanguards specs WHICH ARE LOWER THEN CONANS, people complained, for lack of better words, that their CPU's couldnt support that. So the high requirements for graphics will lower the player base even more.
3.) I doubt you ever read any of the books for one. One thing that i would like to point out is that people like variety and difference. 1 race can lower the player base of this game. I for one can care less, but you see it in WoW forums and Vanguard forums, and other forums about race variety.
4.) Combat system, indeed i feel comfortable with this new format, however we have never used it before and seen it before. So yes, risks will be taken with crossed fingers, hopefully the outcome is great.
As you can see, player base population is my main concern. Dont ever tell me i dont know 100 % of what im talking about
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Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils ... - Louis Hector Berlioz
No , my rents would let me play this game. Just because of my age doesn't make me less of authority to say something..
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Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils ... - Louis Hector Berlioz
1.) M-rating would lower the player base, im not saying the less kiddies and nudity and all that is bad. Its just the m rating really does lower the player base as opposed to if it was a teen game.
2.) i do know what i am talking about in relation to the specs. They said their requirements were close to those of Oblivion. Going back to Vanguards specs WHICH ARE LOWER THEN CONANS, people complained, for lack of better words, that their CPU's couldnt support that. So the high requirements for graphics will lower the player base even more.
3.) I doubt you ever read any of the books for one. One thing that i would like to point out is that people like variety and difference. 1 race can lower the player base of this game. I for one can care less, but you see it in WoW forums and Vanguard forums, and other forums about race variety.
4.) Combat system, indeed i feel comfortable with this new format, however we have never used it before and seen it before. So yes, risks will be taken with crossed fingers, hopefully the outcome is great.
As you can see, player base population is my main concern. Dont ever tell me i dont know 100 % of what im talking about
1. The average age of the official forums is 27 yrs old I believe, and in the mid 20's in the genre, a game rated 17+ would in essence not really affect any kinda of subscripton numbers, one way or another, as you put yourself as a 14 yr old, you will get mommy and daddy to pay for you. The whole game design and concept from the very start, sticking true to the lore meant Funcom were always aiming for a mature rating, possibly talked about when you were 10 yrs old then. Just because the game appeals to people at the higher end of the age spectrum as apposed to 14-16 yrs olds more doesn't mean the game won't sell well. Conan is 75yrs old after all how many people over all those years do you think will be interested in the game. Lest you forgot the game is also being release on Xbox 360 next year too, I think you will find a mature market there for this type of game. Oblivion rated M in many countries sold really well.
2. Do a google search for total sales of Oblivion, also look up how many people said that VG's game engine was poorly put together resulting in puzzlings game experiences for people on decent machines. The game wasn't optimised enough. There are enough machines out there that people own that play mmo's that will be perfectly capable of playing AoC. The price has come down so much in technology that the masses can afford decent systems now. Well those with full time jobs and not some paper round at 14 yrs old, could do an easy upgrade to their 5 yr old machine. Bottom line there are enough people capable of running AoC to make it a sucess.
3. Race variety will not affect the population AT ALL. Humans, its "Age" of Conan, Conan = Human btw. There are some 23 races of Humans in Hyborian Lore, the game will start off with 14 classes emcompassing the 3 main races of man in Hyboria, Cimmerian, Aquilonian and Stygian. Do you really think this is lacking? All other creatures in the lore are monsters (Demons, Sphix's, Golems, Frost Giant, man serpent, skeletons, grey apes, ice worms, ghouls, Wyverns etc) would it make sense to you to have one of these as a playable character or any of the 34 gods present in the lore, in a game that revolves around you as a human, in the "Age of Conan" ? Destiny Quests, character evolution and progression are all through areas of the game (some 185 SQUARE MILES = x2 the size of WoW) that are massive full of life and relate to human area of some the races below. Then there are future race expansions to pick from below too:
Tanned, curly-haired sailors and princelings, an admixture of Zingg Valley folk (possibly of Shemite origin), invading Picts, and Hyborian tribes
4. Been talked about enough, as are all the points your concerned about, all you have to do is search here.
5. Two different games appealing on the whole to two different audiences, (see number 4)
Your 14yrs old, your age shows that you haven't experienced everything, thats a fact, so get over yourself and understand that you dont know 100% of what your talking about in any category. You wanna make posts like you did and expect no come back? Minimal life experiences and your lack of them hold you back and theres nothing that can be done about that. No offence but your see what I mean when you leave school.
I'm just quoting this simply because it does a great job of summing things up!
Only part I'd even partly disagree with is the combat. Personally, I think it looks pretty solid, but then again, I've been wanting something other than whack-a-mole for years. While I like what I've seen, the LGC and the PvP demonstrated there will be where I really start to firm up my feelings. It's gotta look good, and work well in PvP, for me to be 100% sold on it. Concept yes...implementation...still need some selling.
1.) M-rating would lower the player base, im not saying the less kiddies and nudity and all that is bad. Its just the m rating really does lower the player base as opposed to if it was a teen game.
2.) i do know what i am talking about in relation to the specs. They said their requirements were close to those of Oblivion. Going back to Vanguards specs WHICH ARE LOWER THEN CONANS, people complained, for lack of better words, that their CPU's couldnt support that. So the high requirements for graphics will lower the player base even more.
3.) I doubt you ever read any of the books for one. One thing that i would like to point out is that people like variety and difference. 1 race can lower the player base of this game. I for one can care less, but you see it in WoW forums and Vanguard forums, and other forums about race variety.
4.) Combat system, indeed i feel comfortable with this new format, however we have never used it before and seen it before. So yes, risks will be taken with crossed fingers, hopefully the outcome is great.
As you can see, player base population is my main concern. Dont ever tell me i dont know 100 % of what im talking about
Your backup is baised on opinion... which is not a valid basis for factual argument, (yes i am also guilty of this on occasion)1. dont forget that alot of the best selling games are "M" rated.. I doubt that in October that will be any diffrent. (god i hope this game has a smaller base.. no imature punks)
2. you dont know 100% what your talking because your speculating. The real specs havent been released.
3. your right i havent read the books ... but i know the comics and the *cough *movies, but I can see what i think they are trying to do with the game, im suprised you dont or that you feel there should be other races. To each his own .. i cant imagin why VG or WoW needs to have any more races though.
4. you list the combat system as "I got a bad feeling" materal ... then you say your ok with it ...... WTF
While you know a little .. you stil dont know what your talking about.. Sorry but i will contiune to call people on BS posts like this. if the game has 10k players and 1k of them are kids then im fine with that.. as long as funcom manages the server pops and the game doesnt totally dive im not worried.
AoC might not be the "WOW Killer", but that doesnt mean it wont be the best game out there.
1) Rating allows for it to be real gritty and realistic.
2) I personally want awesome graphics. Vanguard has this too, but the code and performance was herrendous on even great machines.
3) Combat system is a gamble. It will be either great or tedious.
4)The race thing I understand, I love variety. But the variety is made up for with the unique classes. The races being some type of human, will add to realism though.
5) I wouldnt be concerned about the release of another game, theres always games coming out. If a game is great, it will stand on its own. Besides, the first few months of an MMO can be a struggle in the begining.
? PvP demonstrated there? Sure about that? Because I've yet to see any info apart from "It'll be revolutionary and great", and especially Videos of People PvPing. Not Devs with trained choreographies, Convention Visitors, Press People who PvP a bit. (Oh and please some Spell Weaving in PvP as well, to see how/if it works)
Apart from that:
I don't want to play a Human. I am a Human in RL, I don't want to be one in the Game as well.
But well, if it works, if it feels good...I'll give it a shot, but every week going by without any PvP Footage out strenghens my concerns that AoC's PvP won't be fun for too long...
Have a read thru these and tell me where you think a playable race type other than Human would come into the Conan Universe...
Short Stories
Conan the Barbarian
No offence but green skinned Orcs are in another game, not Age of Conan. Can you atleast except the possibility that their internal testers are better that average joe public? and that those testers are under NDA...
LotRO had open Beta where average joe public got a chance to see for themselves 1 month prior to launch. Before that last month people were NDA, specifically on my server there were only a handfull of people who had got pretty far into the game in closed beta, but still they were NDA. Here in this situation AoC has 3 months to go till release, realistically when you think about it expect an open beta and more release of information about PvP points you brought up to come in September.
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No offence, but what has that to do with my Post? I still don't want to play a Human.
No offence, but what has that to do with my Post? I still don't want to play a Human.
None taken. I thought you might get a better perspective by reading some of the lore, in regards that none are wrote with a character other than a human in mind fromt he lead perspective. That the world is predominantly made up of over a dozen human races showing more than enough content to take on for a game, especially an mmorpg. There will never be another race other than human to be played in this game.
100% sure about it, since you think the game will fail and chug along with 500 or so subscribers, it's no real surprise that you would be unaware of that.
Sorry, that's just one of the most amusing things I've seen in quite some time. To say that "if I dont see it each week, then I know it's not going to be good" allow me to translate... "If I dont get what I want, then I mad, so nothing that I'm mad at can possibly be good, and I'm not patient enough to wait for the demonstrations and accompanying video's to be shown."
That being said, you've decided to wait for WAR and PoTBS, so either or, I'm sure you'll have fun with what you like!
No offense, but you've already said that AoC will fail horribly, the combat will suck, and it'll go around with 500 or so subscribers, so why would you even imply that playing as a human even matters? Truth is, you dont even want to play.
You forgot. Don't think a list like this would be complete without putting WoW into it. But I'd be nice and put it last.
6. WoW - Expansion
Don't know when the announcement was made but when it was it replaced and jump into NO:1 position on my store over moste preordered games. That in competition to games that they have had preorder lists on many months before. Oh yea ofcourse they keep their own preorder list way before an official releasedate is announced.
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
The WoW expansion isnt going to have any impact on AoC what so ever, uh Blizzard are putting in siege equipment....who cares, its Blizzard so its bound to be very limited and focused on grinding something to use them. In AoC you can build your own cities...enough said. Its two totally different games period.
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No offense, but you've already said that AoC will fail horribly, the combat will suck, and it'll go around with 500 or so subscribers, so why would you even imply that playing as a human even matters? Truth is, you dont even want to play.
Hey, I take that one personally hahah!
No seriously, my Post you mentioned really wasn't meant seriously, and I even noted that beneath it. In said Post I wrote that AoC will suck, that WAR will suck, that Tabula Rasa will suck, that basically every MMORPG coming out will be horrible.
However, again, that wasn't meant seriously. I want AoC to be good, I want the Combat system to work well, I want the PvP to be thrilling and new. If AoC pulls it off properly, new MMOs might very well copy the system, and improve on it. I dunno if you ever played Rakion, but it's a free game which already features a rather similar system, and it's amongst my all time favourite games, always new fun when I log in and smash some noobs
However, yes, I doubt that I'll ever subscribe to AoC. I'll probably trial it, and even if the combat is implemented well, only being able to play as Human, the wannabe-realisitc graphics, and the really sloooooow looking combos will probably turn me off the game.
Maybe THQs W40k MMO will copy the controls, maybe Blizzards new MMO, maybe the next WAR. I like high Fantasy/Magic worlds more than low ones, if you already have Wyvern, Golems, and all sorts of creepy stuff, why not have some mutated humanoids like Lizardmen in a Swamp, or Ratmen in Tunnels, or or or. I like Faction vs. Faction more than Guild vs. Guild combat.
WAR with AoCs controls, now that would've been my dream MMO *g* But in order to see it, AoC has to pave the way for more MMOs with similar controls.
I doubt that AoC will work too well, though, but we'll see.
Nope... and neither will any of those other things on the list be a cause of failure for AoC. Those set to play AoC will be there doing it despite of these things. If it fails it does it on it's own account, surely.
So I could add a random nonsense thing at 7 aswell. But the meaning is that I actually do not agree with the OP it is just that I didn't put it in plain text.
But still it took place no1 in a few days on the preorder list that shows that calling a game succes/failure because it doesn't dethrone WoW is false and ignorant. WoW will still be WoW and a succes even when/if it declines to 500k subs. Enough of that.
Why even worry over AoC?
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
1.) M Rated------So what, its for a more mature audiance. Finally a game with some gore in an mmorpg
2.) High graphics ( and people complained about VG)------People don't complain about high graphics, people complain about the low ones. Ask all the people who left AC for another game with better graphics.
3.) New , unused combat system------Just because they don't copy every other mmo out there doesn't mean its bad. I'm tired of the same thing, were in need of something new, and this combat system which is actually skill based is just what we need.
4.) 1 race------How many games can be produced that contain Elves and Dwarfs, like I said, not everyone wants to play one game and go to another one completely identical because there bored with the first but end up basically playing the exact same thing. New is good, new ideas are good.
5.) Release near WAR( somewhat )-----HEY why don't we all get together and make a game that looks exactly like WOW because it was so successful and just give it a different name! In my opinion, WAR has nothing on Conan, nothing at all. I've played alot of mmorpgs in my time and I don't see anything about WAR that would interest me in the least bit.
~Mongoose
Is that a Troll I see ?
The M-rating is a problem from a marketing point of view. Many(most?) major stores won't carry M titles. EB/Gamestop won't, BestBuy won't, Target and Walmart sure won't. OK, so you just have to mail-order and hope for a timely delivery, just don't expect to grab it at your local mall store.
As to the System specs, I am confused, , you build and publicize a product as a DX10 release, yet claim it is no more system intensive than Oblivion. Umm, okay, right... I play Oblivion with most of the options near High, yet Vanguard I could barely squeek out 20fps at Medium quality, and lets not speak about raid situations...
The combat system, meh... 5 attacks, sure you can mix and match for special effects but DAoC did that years ago and had a hell of a lot more than 5 attacks. So what is so 'new and innovative'? The lack of targetting and auto-targets is all I can think of.
Who cares about the different races, as long as char customization provides for near unique toons I could care less that they are Cimmerians and Aquilonians and not Orcs and Elves.
Do I want AoC, oh YEAH! Go Stygian Ranja!
But! Am I seeing an incipient Train wreck fast approaching? Sadly yes. And I have a fair amount of experience having beta'd Horizons, DDO and Vanguard. Crash and burns all.