Oh, my. A personal attack. I'm shaking in my cyber boots.
Come back when you have something real to add. By the way, if you wish to discuss ignorance, you yourself seem to think that we in NA/EU pay more than the Chinese do. So, which market do you want to piss off if you are a business, the ones who pay more or less?
It was not a personal attack, it was a general statement.
All information iv posted can be confirmed if you do a little research.
Originally posted by Fion TBC was the worst $60 I ever spent on a game. I should have known it would suck, charging twice as much as any other games expansion for christs sake.
If theres 4 million in China playing WoW.(possibly more) if each played 4 hours a day thats $6 a month (roughly) Thats $288,000,000 yearly income ( before taxes) _______________________________________________
If theres 800,000 in US or Europe playing WoW (possibly less) Paying $15 monthly and $50 each year for a new expansion. Thats $184,000,000 yearly income (before taxes)
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Now you figure out why they give away WoW and expansions for free in china.
EDIT FOR FUZZY MATH
Except there are closer to 2.5 million subscriptions in NA and Eu. That is roughly 450 million. Blizz gets the PR numbers from asia... but they make most of their money from NA and Eu.
The reason they are doing this is to save subscriptions. They can't charge $40 in Asia for a weak expansion... It will happen this way for all expansions.
This is about corporate greed... nothing more. Blizz stop feeling for the player base around the 1 million mark.
-Atziluth-
- Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.
i said US or Euro ... and i highly doubt theres 2.5 million even combined when you look at the server population the servers can only hold a maximum of 800,000ish players as it is now with 222 servers..... and 177 of those 222 are medium to low population and never reach any higher.
Oh, my. A personal attack. I'm shaking in my cyber boots.
Come back when you have something real to add. By the way, if you wish to discuss ignorance, you yourself seem to think that we in NA/EU pay more than the Chinese do. So, which market do you want to piss off if you are a business, the ones who pay more or less?
It was not a personal attack, it was a general statement.
All information iv posted can be confirmed if you do a little research.
Actually, yes it was a personal attack. Don't try to weasel out now. It doesn't get more personal then you posting, "You're ignorant".
Zorvan makes some very good points and backs up his perception with some meat and not just empty insults.
I've been thinking about it and it just doesn't make sense for WoW to be f2p in China, but p2p here in the states. There's something seriously wrong with this picture.
I think the only reason that there are so many f2p games coming out of foreign countries while the lion's share of games developed in the US/UK are p2p is that we enable this kind of mentality by shelling out cash for sub par rehashes, timesinks, and grinds.
The saddest part is that it will continue to happen as most gamers can't get past the whole egocentric bubbles they live in long enough to band together with others to boycott games or organize mass subscription cancelations.
I guantee if we all banded together and got enough people to cancel their acccounts on the same day and made it public knowledge on the forums, the issue would not only be addressed, but steps would be made to ensure that a compromise is met.
It IS ignorant to say "if you're poor you cant do this" when the Chinese people are NOT POOR they have a different economy... they enjoy the same things we do like owning a home or car , going on vacation PLAYING MMO's ect... a new car in china could cost less then $2000 does that mean its unfair to the US and they shouldn't be aloud to own anything because we pay more?
You want the definition which "Zorvan" matchs perfectly? IGNORANCE : LACK OF KNOWLEDGE, EDUCATION, ECT : UNAWARENESS
It IS ignorant to say "if you're poor you cant do this" when the Chinese people are NOT POOR they have a different economy... they enjoy the same things we do like owning a home or car , going on vacation PLAYING MMO's ect... a new car in china could cost less then $2000 does that mean its unfair to the US and they shouldn't be aloud to own anything because we pay more? You want the definition which "Zorvan" matchs perfectly? IGNORANCE : LACK OF KNOWLEDGE, EDUCATION, ECT : UNAW
No it is not unfair for people in different places to pay different prices for different things. It is unfair for a company to charge different prices for the same product. If you go to a car dealership and buy a car only to see another person drive off the same lot with the same type of car for free, you are saying you would not feel cheated? Blizzard is making millions of dollars off its customers... to treat on segment of their customers differently is unfair.
Nothing will be done over this other then they may lose some of their better paying customers. It is called equality... and the reason Blizz does not know the meaning of that word is because lack of integrity.
Sorry there is no way you can justify what they are doing. If they had done this at the same time as the NA release I would be a bit more understanding... for the fact that they milked as much money as they could before releasing this information is pathetic.
-Atziluth-
- Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.
It IS ignorant to say "if you're poor you cant do this" when the Chinese people are NOT POOR they have a different economy... they enjoy the same things we do like owning a home or car , going on vacation PLAYING MMO's ect... a new car in china could cost less then $2000 does that mean its unfair to the US and they shouldn't be aloud to own anything because we pay more? You want the definition which "Zorvan" matchs perfectly? IGNORANCE : LACK OF KNOWLEDGE, EDUCATION, ECT : UNAWARENESS
This is the second fucking time you have insulted my intelligence by calling me ignorant, while confirming your own.
The post where you first called me ignorant? Read it over again, and see if you can comprehend it this time. Someone else gave China's being poorer than NA/EU as the reason behind what Blizzard has done. I quoted him in my post, and going along the lines of what he stated, I gave my opinion of what the NA/EU players should do in that situation.
Did you not notice I said that the argument that China is to poor does not wash with me , which you are backing up in your second "call me ignorant" post?
Next time you want to bash someone's intelligence or knowledge, make damn fucking sure they know less than you.
Do it a third time, and I will report your ass and you can take a nice vacation from these forums. Are we clear, now?
It IS ignorant to say "if you're poor you cant do this" when the Chinese people are NOT POOR they have a different economy... they enjoy the same things we do like owning a home or car , going on vacation PLAYING MMO's ect... a new car in china could cost less then $2000 does that mean its unfair to the US and they shouldn't be aloud to own anything because we pay more? You want the definition which "Zorvan" matchs perfectly? IGNORANCE : LACK OF KNOWLEDGE, EDUCATION, ECT : UNAWARENESS
80% of them can't afford those things you mentioned sorry.
Now I know why they got 9 million customers. TBC was a complete flop and subscriber numbers dropped like flies so to keep the public convinced that their expansion was a sucess they give out free WoW games and subscriptions to China. That's actually a good move by Blizzard even though I don't like WoW. Those numbers help to keep WoW over hyped and people intrested in keeping up with its next expansion. But that is how all fad products work whether it is a MMORPG or something else.
I think they should redo their customer count by monthly payed subscriptions and free subscriptions and see which one is more. Now the immediate response from Camp: Fanboy is "well duh the free subs got more numbers cuz itz teh free sauce". And I say well, where is it free? China! So China does account for at least 70+ % of WoW customer base.
I bet WoW will become the most popular Asian grinding game.
It IS ignorant to say "if you're poor you cant do this" when the Chinese people are NOT POOR they have a different economy... they enjoy the same things we do like owning a home or car , going on vacation PLAYING MMO's ect... a new car in china could cost less then $2000 does that mean its unfair to the US and they shouldn't be aloud to own anything because we pay more? You want the definition which "Zorvan" matchs perfectly? IGNORANCE : LACK OF KNOWLEDGE, EDUCATION, ECT : UNAWARENESS
They ARE poor, and yes it's mainly because of their stupid economy and what happend in 1989 where the government basically said "We will give you your own shops etc but don't ever disagree with the government.". How do you think there are so many farmers if they're rich? it's because they have Class A people who can afford anything they want and Class B people who can barely afford anything and end up either dying a young age or working in a factory getting payed 10 cents an hour. This is very different from other places around the world where the gap isn't as huge, it slowly scales down instead of taking a giant leap.
Now I know why they got 9 million customers. TBC was a complete flop and subscriber numbers dropped like flies so to keep the public convinced that their expansion was a sucess they give out free WoW games and subscriptions to China. That's actually a good move by Blizzard even though I don't like WoW. Those numbers help to keep WoW over hyped and people intrested in keeping up with its next expansion. But that is how all fad products work whether it is a MMORPG or something else. I think they should redo their customer count by monthly payed subscriptions and free subscriptions and see which one is more. Now the immediate response from Camp: Fanboy is "well duh the free subs got more numbers cuz itz teh free sauce". And I say well, where is it free? China! So China does account for at least 70+ % of WoW customer base. I bet WoW will become the most popular Asian grinding game.
I agree with sitheus. I think that Blizzard is beginning to realise that Asia is the only place that is guaranteed to keep playing their game no matter how bad it becomes (vestern standard wise).
"I cherish the memories of a question my grandson asked me the other day when he said..Grandpa, were you a hero in the war?...No, but i served in a company of heroes" Sgt. Mike Ranney E-company 506PIR 101'st airborn
This has to be one of the saddest examples of ignorance of marketing I have every seen from people. Those of you crying about the fact that China is getting it free. Morons welcome to Capitalism. China has a lot of F2P games that a lot of people actually play there for WoW to keep up there they can not charge like they can here. US has F2P but they do not seem to have anywhere near the numbers. Blizzard and every other company knows if you put crap in a box and call it the newest hot thing idiots in America will pre-order it. I call that good business and I congradulate Blizzard for understanding their markets. Why do people put morality on businesses. They are there to make as much money as they can. I believe that is the American dream. Whiners just whine about it because they have not figured out how to make money.
This has to be one of the saddest examples of ignorance of marketing I have every seen from people. Those of you crying about the fact that China is getting it free. Morons welcome to Capitalism. China has a lot of F2P games that a lot of people actually play there for WoW to keep up there they can not charge like they can here. US has F2P but they do not seem to have anywhere near the numbers. Blizzard and every other company knows if you put crap in a box and call it the newest hot thing idiots in America will pre-order it. I call that good business and I congradulate Blizzard for understanding their markets. Why do people put morality on businesses. They are there to make as much money as they can. I believe that is the American dream. Whiners just whine about it because they have not figured out how to make money.
even with WoW got like 6mil plus asian sub, its still not on the top of the mmo list. Some other game has like 15mil sub in China. So for Blizzard its more about sub bragging right nothing more.
If people actually felt strongly about this it would be on the official warcraft forums, nobody who posts here actually matters, can rant all you want but in the end, nobody will hear it.
Quotations Those Who make peaceful resolutions impossible, make violent resolutions inevitable. John F. Kennedy
Life... is the shit that happens while you wait for moments that never come - Lester Freeman
Lie to no one. If there 's somebody close to you, you'll ruin it with a lie. If they're a stranger, who the fuck are they you gotta lie to them? - Willy Nelson
If theres 4 million in China playing WoW.(possibly more) if each played 4 hours a day thats $6 a month (roughly) Thats $288,000,000 yearly income ( before taxes) _______________________________________________
If theres 800,000 in US or Europe playing WoW (possibly less) Paying $15 monthly and $50 each year for a new expansion. Thats $184,000,000 yearly income (before taxes)
________________________________________________
Now you figure out why they give away WoW and expansions for free in china.
EDIT FOR FUZZY MATH
Because it was crap and they might be worried that the Chinese playerbase might not like having to pay for it, and turn around quit.
I'm sure it would be a big hit to Blizz's purse if a good chunk of the Chinese quit over a lack luster Xpac.
Because you know, more of them are playing L2 then WoW, and they don't have to pay for the updates in that game. Most of wich blow TBC out of the water as far as new content goes.
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It was not a personal attack, it was a general statement.
All information iv posted can be confirmed if you do a little research.
The only flaw with Imix's post is the international conversion rate may mean you pay about the same....
I downloaded TBC from Blizzard as a trial, then "bought" a CD Key from them... but they never charged me for it, so I can't complain!
-iCeh
The reason they are doing this is to save subscriptions. They can't charge $40 in Asia for a weak expansion... It will happen this way for all expansions.
This is about corporate greed... nothing more. Blizz stop feeling for the player base around the 1 million mark.
-Atziluth-
- Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.
i said US or Euro ... and i highly doubt theres 2.5 million even combined when you look at the server population the servers can only hold a maximum of 800,000ish players as it is now with 222 servers..... and 177 of those 222 are medium to low population and never reach any higher.
It was not a personal attack, it was a general statement.
All information iv posted can be confirmed if you do a little research.
Actually, yes it was a personal attack. Don't try to weasel out now. It doesn't get more personal then you posting, "You're ignorant".
Zorvan makes some very good points and backs up his perception with some meat and not just empty insults.
I've been thinking about it and it just doesn't make sense for WoW to be f2p in China, but p2p here in the states. There's something seriously wrong with this picture.
I think the only reason that there are so many f2p games coming out of foreign countries while the lion's share of games developed in the US/UK are p2p is that we enable this kind of mentality by shelling out cash for sub par rehashes, timesinks, and grinds.
The saddest part is that it will continue to happen as most gamers can't get past the whole egocentric bubbles they live in long enough to band together with others to boycott games or organize mass subscription cancelations.
I guantee if we all banded together and got enough people to cancel their acccounts on the same day and made it public knowledge on the forums, the issue would not only be addressed, but steps would be made to ensure that a compromise is met.
It IS ignorant to say "if you're poor you cant do this" when the Chinese people are NOT POOR they have a different economy... they enjoy the same things we do like owning a home or car , going on vacation PLAYING MMO's ect... a new car in china could cost less then $2000 does that mean its unfair to the US and they shouldn't be aloud to own anything because we pay more?
You want the definition which "Zorvan" matchs perfectly? IGNORANCE : LACK OF KNOWLEDGE, EDUCATION, ECT : UNAWARENESS
No it is not unfair for people in different places to pay different prices for different things. It is unfair for a company to charge different prices for the same product. If you go to a car dealership and buy a car only to see another person drive off the same lot with the same type of car for free, you are saying you would not feel cheated? Blizzard is making millions of dollars off its customers... to treat on segment of their customers differently is unfair.
Nothing will be done over this other then they may lose some of their better paying customers. It is called equality... and the reason Blizz does not know the meaning of that word is because lack of integrity.
Sorry there is no way you can justify what they are doing. If they had done this at the same time as the NA release I would be a bit more understanding... for the fact that they milked as much money as they could before releasing this information is pathetic.
-Atziluth-
- Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.
The post where you first called me ignorant? Read it over again, and see if you can comprehend it this time. Someone else gave China's being poorer than NA/EU as the reason behind what Blizzard has done. I quoted him in my post, and going along the lines of what he stated, I gave my opinion of what the NA/EU players should do in that situation.
Did you not notice I said that the argument that China is to poor does not wash with me , which you are backing up in your second "call me ignorant" post?
Next time you want to bash someone's intelligence or knowledge, make damn fucking sure they know less than you.
Do it a third time, and I will report your ass and you can take a nice vacation from these forums. Are we clear, now?
wtf? its like they WANT gold farmers to pwn WoW
MMO wish list:
-Changeable worlds
-Solid non level based game
-Sharks with lasers attached to their heads
80% of them can't afford those things you mentioned sorry.
Now I know why they got 9 million customers. TBC was a complete flop and subscriber numbers dropped like flies so to keep the public convinced that their expansion was a sucess they give out free WoW games and subscriptions to China. That's actually a good move by Blizzard even though I don't like WoW. Those numbers help to keep WoW over hyped and people intrested in keeping up with its next expansion. But that is how all fad products work whether it is a MMORPG or something else.
I think they should redo their customer count by monthly payed subscriptions and free subscriptions and see which one is more. Now the immediate response from Camp: Fanboy is "well duh the free subs got more numbers cuz itz teh free sauce". And I say well, where is it free? China! So China does account for at least 70+ % of WoW customer base.
I bet WoW will become the most popular Asian grinding game.
Well, now that we know how it's being received on this site, I wonder if there are aby threads on it on the official boards? Anybody know?
They ARE poor, and yes it's mainly because of their stupid economy and what happend in 1989 where the government basically said "We will give you your own shops etc but don't ever disagree with the government.". How do you think there are so many farmers if they're rich? it's because they have Class A people who can afford anything they want and Class B people who can barely afford anything and end up either dying a young age or working in a factory getting payed 10 cents an hour. This is very different from other places around the world where the gap isn't as huge, it slowly scales down instead of taking a giant leap.
Its free there, they don't pay monthly fee i have friends there. just check their official site.
If that is true then no wonder the can post such high subscription rates rofl.
QTF.
was 2 but can't link them blizzard must have deleted them.
I agree with sitheus. I think that Blizzard is beginning to realise that Asia is the only place that is guaranteed to keep playing their game no matter how bad it becomes (vestern standard wise).
"I cherish the memories of a question my grandson asked me the other day when he said..Grandpa, were you a hero in the war?...No, but i served in a company of heroes"
Sgt. Mike Ranney E-company 506PIR 101'st airborn
Not only do they get all expansions for free.. they pay almost nothing in sub fees.
This has to be one of the saddest examples of ignorance of marketing I have every seen from people. Those of you crying about the fact that China is getting it free. Morons welcome to Capitalism. China has a lot of F2P games that a lot of people actually play there for WoW to keep up there they can not charge like they can here. US has F2P but they do not seem to have anywhere near the numbers. Blizzard and every other company knows if you put crap in a box and call it the newest hot thing idiots in America will pre-order it. I call that good business and I congradulate Blizzard for understanding their markets. Why do people put morality on businesses. They are there to make as much money as they can. I believe that is the American dream. Whiners just whine about it because they have not figured out how to make money.
even with WoW got like 6mil plus asian sub, its still not on the top of the mmo list. Some other game has like 15mil sub in China. So for Blizzard its more about sub bragging right nothing more.
If people actually felt strongly about this it would be on the official warcraft forums, nobody who posts here actually matters, can rant all you want but in the end, nobody will hear it.
Quotations Those Who make peaceful resolutions impossible, make violent resolutions inevitable. John F. Kennedy
Life... is the shit that happens while you wait for moments that never come - Lester Freeman
Lie to no one. If there 's somebody close to you, you'll ruin it with a lie. If they're a stranger, who the fuck are they you gotta lie to them? - Willy Nelson
I'm sure it would be a big hit to Blizz's purse if a good chunk of the Chinese quit over a lack luster Xpac.
Because you know, more of them are playing L2 then WoW, and they don't have to pay for the updates in that game. Most of wich blow TBC out of the water as far as new content goes.
Was I close?
Wish Darkfall would release.