The fact that people think we can actually hurt the earth is a global catastrophy.....when the earth is done with us it will shake us away like nothing. The earth has survived way worse than what we can do to it.. We will affect the humans living here but the earth deals in things of billions of years so it will be fine....we need to worry more about humans and animal and plant life then we do the earth.
The fact that people think we can actually hurt the earth is a global catastrophy.....when the earth is done with us it will shake us away like nothing. The earth has survived way worse than what we can do to it.. We will affect the humans living here but the earth deals in things of billions of years so it will be fine....we need to worry more about humans and animal and plant life then we do the earth.
Nobody sensible is suggesting we "hurt" the earth. Not even by having made estinct thousands of species. Mankinds is an inegral part of this planet and whatever we do to it is just as an integral part of the planet as any other element. BUT, we are able to hurt ourselves.
The biggest global warming question to me is simple: why deny it? sure it may not be happening, its not proven yet the temperature is rising, but then again the climate is always going in cycles. Could be either occurance but i have always marveled that people will fight tooth and nail against global warming legislation and prevention. Would they rather have smoggy cities, acid rain, and the adverse health affects of air pollution? The outcome of global warming prevention efforts would, for the most part, be renewable clean energy gathering systems, like wind or solar, or hydrogen and electric cars. Fossil fuels will run out eventually, and many experts predict that this will be soon (as in between 50-200 years for oil). The end result would only be beneficial for future stability and health. So yes, global warming may be fake, but if it generates support for cleaner practices i am all for the ploy and yes, money can also be an issue, but everyday emerging technologies make a green future look more and more achievable and appealing financially. Plus i for one would value my health over my money anyone else agree/disagree?
Because people use Global Warming as an excuse to further their political agendas, as you seem willing to do.
we are not part of the earth we are more of an infestation on the planet...the earth was here long before us and will be here long after us....I would not worry too much about global warming....the earth will be just fine.
Agreed. It's not about doing permanent damage to the planet. Rather, it's about screwing up the climate so badly that it can no longer support human life. It's about not needing a hazmat suit to walk out to my mailbox.
The most important part of reading is reading between the lines.
In a free market, you are always allowed to create competition therefore ending a monopoly.
Not true. Because there are always going to barriers to entry many monopolies are inherently self sustaining, and those that are not are almost always subject to the vertical monopoly (using control over one sector to monopolize a related sector). This doesn’t even touch business trusts or monopolies based on land or access to a specific resource. Few true monopolies have ever fallen to anything other then government intervention. Give me many examples of this then.
How about we assign the atmosphere to everyone? That way if pollution happens to drift into my slice of the atmosphere then I can sue. It would also encourage everyone to closely monitor their land, air and water cleanliness and where all the polluters in their region are because then they can sue if it infringed upon and that would = $$$. If your land was being polluted that would mean probably many others are being polluted on and you could educate them about what's going on and create a class action lawsuit. Suing would be easy because private property rights would be heavily enforced. The free market would help all of this by creating pollution monitors for people to use that would alert them to pollution on their property, although I think the technology is already being used, but it's used mainly for professionals.
Even if you ignore the massive court costs this would incur how do you attribute blame? You’d have prove they pollution came from your neighbor and didn’t just drift over his land from someplace else, which is pretty much impossible.
Impossible for the average joe...but not for a lawyer and a couple of experts.
Also, what are you going to sue them for if they haven’t broken any laws?
Polluting my property is against the law....
If they have broken laws you still have government management of the whole situation, it’s just using a different mechanism.
Are you accusing me of being an anarchist? I'm not against government.
Are they in turn allowed to sue you for trying to prevent them from making a profit with their own land and resources?
Today's dumbest thing i've read.
My lawsuit would be environmentally motivated. They would have to prove it was profit motivated and since many other businesses can make a profit without hurting the environment....well I say good luck to them in their efforts to sue me. Even if you could solve those problem the whole system would be so complex that it would never be reliable and it would be massively expensive to keep going.
Lawyers would handle the complexities and green and eco organizations would be happy to help you financially, i'm sure.
Straightforward anti pollution laws would be vastly more efficient and cost effective.
Government solutions are efficient and cost effective? What planet do you live on? The Congress shall have Power . . . To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Author and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries; It is important to note that the original intent of this passage was to promote science and arts. It was not to promote the maximizing of income for author and inventors. The framers of the constitution understood that information dissemination was important to the country and information should not be held hostage forever by rights holders.
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Agreed. It's not about doing permanent damage to the planet. Rather, it's about screwing up the climate so badly that it can no longer support human life. It's about not needing a hazmat suit to walk out to my mailbox.
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politics aside, wouldnt you guys rather have a cleaner atmosphere?
just think about it, the bi-products off this mass hysteria would be good for humanity as a whole
you cant possibly argue that using fossil fuels is somehow better that using energy such as wind, solar, or anything else renewable
theres more to life than money (At least in my mind, you are free to disagree there) and theres no reason for me to have some "political agenda" im not running for an office or anything
The biggest global warming question to me is simple: why deny it? sure it may not be happening, its not proven yet the temperature is rising, but then again the climate is always going in cycles. Could be either occurance but i have always marveled that people will fight tooth and nail against global warming legislation and prevention. Would they rather have smoggy cities, acid rain, and the adverse health affects of air pollution? The outcome of global warming prevention efforts would, for the most part, be renewable clean energy gathering systems, like wind or solar, or hydrogen and electric cars. Fossil fuels will run out eventually, and many experts predict that this will be soon (as in between 50-200 years for oil). The end result would only be beneficial for future stability and health. So yes, global warming may be fake, but if it generates support for cleaner practices i am all for the ploy and yes, money can also be an issue, but everyday emerging technologies make a green future look more and more achievable and appealing financially. Plus i for one would value my health over my money anyone else agree/disagree?
As far as I can tell, you are advocating fraud on a global scale. You are willing to lie to people or mislead about global warming, as long as the tax money you earn can be spent on other good causes that you like. Acid rain, perhaps or maybe smog. I think I agree with you that this is what my government is currently doing and plenty of other governments to. It's a new bugbear to hang taxes off. The cash cow of our decade. It's fraud. Pure and simple. You want money off people for unrelated causes they are notoriously unwilling to pay for, and so you just lie.
It's the end of the world. Give us more money or you will all die. Doom.
I object to legislation. Tooth and claw. I respect your right to make decisions about the enviroment for yourself. I respect your right and ability to take action to preserve it if you should so wish. But you don't respect mine. You think I need to be told. To be forced and financially penalised, if my view, or the depth of my concern varies from yours.
I don't need legislation to make me do my bit for the enviroment. I'm already doing it.. Every time I get taxed, it makes it even harder for me. You are the one that isn't doing anything about it. You don't even have the courage of your convictions. If you aren't willing to put your money where your mouth is, if you don't actually belive in the evils of global warming enough to pay out your own money to fix it, why do you imagine, I'm going to?
I never thought I'd agree with baff, but I do here. He's right when he says you're willing to mislead and lie to millions of people to further your vision of the future, your political agenda.
This is the same kind of hypocrisy that allows celebrities to fly around on private jets preaching the dangers of global warming.
The biggest global warming question to me is simple: why deny it? sure it may not be happening, its not proven yet the temperature is rising, but then again the climate is always going in cycles. Could be either occurance but i have always marveled that people will fight tooth and nail against global warming legislation and prevention. Would they rather have smoggy cities, acid rain, and the adverse health affects of air pollution? The outcome of global warming prevention efforts would, for the most part, be renewable clean energy gathering systems, like wind or solar, or hydrogen and electric cars. Fossil fuels will run out eventually, and many experts predict that this will be soon (as in between 50-200 years for oil). The end result would only be beneficial for future stability and health. So yes, global warming may be fake, but if it generates support for cleaner practices i am all for the ploy and yes, money can also be an issue, but everyday emerging technologies make a green future look more and more achievable and appealing financially. Plus i for one would value my health over my money anyone else agree/disagree?
As far as I can tell, you are advocating fraud on a global scale. You are willing to lie to people or mislead about global warming, as long as the tax money you earn can be spent on other good causes that you like. Acid rain, perhaps or maybe smog. I think I agree with you that this is what my government is currently doing and plenty of other governments to. It's a new bugbear to hang taxes off. The cash cow of our decade. It's fraud. Pure and simple. You want money off people for unrelated causes they are notoriously unwilling to pay for, and so you just lie.
It's the end of the world. Give us more money or you will all die. Doom.
I object to legislation. Tooth and claw. I respect your right to make decisions about the enviroment for yourself. I respect your right and ability to take action to preserve it if you should so wish. But you don't respect mine. You think I need to be told. To be forced and financially penalised, if my view, or the depth of my concern varies from yours.
I don't need legislation to make me do my bit for the enviroment. I'm already doing it.. Every time I get taxed, it makes it even harder for me. You are the one that isn't doing anything about it. You don't even have the courage of your convictions. If you aren't willing to put your money where your mouth is, if you don't actually belive in the evils of global warming enough to pay out your own money to fix it, why do you imagine, I'm going to?
I never thought I'd agree with baff, but I do here. He's right when he says you're willing to mislead and lie to millions of people to further your vision of the future, your political agenda.
This is the same kind of hypocrisy that allows celebrities to fly around on private jets preaching the dangers of global warming.
well my intention would not be to lie to millions of americans, global warming isnt completely proven to be man made or not
i was just stating that if we all fought against it reguardless, no lying all out in the open, then the world would come out a better place
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The fact that people think we can actually hurt the earth is a global catastrophy.....when the earth is done with us it will shake us away like nothing. The earth has survived way worse than what we can do to it.. We will affect the humans living here but the earth deals in things of billions of years so it will be fine....we need to worry more about humans and animal and plant life then we do the earth.
And honestly, what else matters?
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Because people use Global Warming as an excuse to further their political agendas, as you seem willing to do.
we are not part of the earth we are more of an infestation on the planet...the earth was here long before us and will be here long after us....I would not worry too much about global warming....the earth will be just fine.
Agreed. It's not about doing permanent damage to the planet. Rather, it's about screwing up the climate so badly that it can no longer support human life. It's about not needing a hazmat suit to walk out to my mailbox.
The most important part of reading is reading between the lines.
______________________________
"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
politics aside, wouldnt you guys rather have a cleaner atmosphere?
just think about it, the bi-products off this mass hysteria would be good for humanity as a whole
you cant possibly argue that using fossil fuels is somehow better that using energy such as wind, solar, or anything else renewable
theres more to life than money (At least in my mind, you are free to disagree there) and theres no reason for me to have some "political agenda" im not running for an office or anything
As far as I can tell, you are advocating fraud on a global scale. You are willing to lie to people or mislead about global warming, as long as the tax money you earn can be spent on other good causes that you like. Acid rain, perhaps or maybe smog. I think I agree with you that this is what my government is currently doing and plenty of other governments to. It's a new bugbear to hang taxes off. The cash cow of our decade. It's fraud. Pure and simple. You want money off people for unrelated causes they are notoriously unwilling to pay for, and so you just lie.
It's the end of the world. Give us more money or you will all die. Doom.
I object to legislation. Tooth and claw. I respect your right to make decisions about the enviroment for yourself. I respect your right and ability to take action to preserve it if you should so wish. But you don't respect mine. You think I need to be told. To be forced and financially penalised, if my view, or the depth of my concern varies from yours.
I don't need legislation to make me do my bit for the enviroment. I'm already doing it.. Every time I get taxed, it makes it even harder for me. You are the one that isn't doing anything about it. You don't even have the courage of your convictions. If you aren't willing to put your money where your mouth is, if you don't actually belive in the evils of global warming enough to pay out your own money to fix it, why do you imagine, I'm going to?
I never thought I'd agree with baff, but I do here. He's right when he says you're willing to mislead and lie to millions of people to further your vision of the future, your political agenda.
This is the same kind of hypocrisy that allows celebrities to fly around on private jets preaching the dangers of global warming.
As far as I can tell, you are advocating fraud on a global scale. You are willing to lie to people or mislead about global warming, as long as the tax money you earn can be spent on other good causes that you like. Acid rain, perhaps or maybe smog. I think I agree with you that this is what my government is currently doing and plenty of other governments to. It's a new bugbear to hang taxes off. The cash cow of our decade. It's fraud. Pure and simple. You want money off people for unrelated causes they are notoriously unwilling to pay for, and so you just lie.
It's the end of the world. Give us more money or you will all die. Doom.
I object to legislation. Tooth and claw. I respect your right to make decisions about the enviroment for yourself. I respect your right and ability to take action to preserve it if you should so wish. But you don't respect mine. You think I need to be told. To be forced and financially penalised, if my view, or the depth of my concern varies from yours.
I don't need legislation to make me do my bit for the enviroment. I'm already doing it.. Every time I get taxed, it makes it even harder for me. You are the one that isn't doing anything about it. You don't even have the courage of your convictions. If you aren't willing to put your money where your mouth is, if you don't actually belive in the evils of global warming enough to pay out your own money to fix it, why do you imagine, I'm going to?
I never thought I'd agree with baff, but I do here. He's right when he says you're willing to mislead and lie to millions of people to further your vision of the future, your political agenda.
This is the same kind of hypocrisy that allows celebrities to fly around on private jets preaching the dangers of global warming.
well my intention would not be to lie to millions of americans, global warming isnt completely proven to be man made or noti was just stating that if we all fought against it reguardless, no lying all out in the open, then the world would come out a better place
I love being patient. By being patient I can see everyone bitch and moan and deny or confirm.
And while they're getting all worked up about inevitable stuff I can just sit back and relax. And see the inevitable occur.
What you guys think? Like this? Or worse? Or better?
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I'll put it bluntly, I agree with the original statement.