Pretty odd to add group quests when it is neigh impossible to even find people to group with. I love that comment above about Starsider, I play on that server and I am lucky to see 5 people in a couple hours! It is the most dead server out there.
I know what you mean, Ive seen some posts talking about lots of players yet the most Ive seen on is about 5. I think the station pass is all that keeps this game going.
Make me wonder about the ethics of a company that continually adds things post-NGE that should have been implemented in the first place, and still charge people the full sub fee.
Uh... what?
I really don't think any of you bashers actually believe the retarded BS you guys spout. It's just become so popular to bash SOE you're all just jumping on the bandwagon.
You think the SWG devs just wake up every morning and go, "Hmm, how can we screw over the players today?" You think they are just plain evil and are doing things to make you angry? Take off your tin-foil hat and go outside.
SWG has made huge mistakes, no one can dispute that. But the bitterness is just asinine at this point.
Is amazing how pple that ever played SWG say things about gameplay, population or else...
I´ve been playing since day 3 , been banned from the forums when NGE hits and quit the game for 6 months when NGE , and ÇI must say the GAME IS BETTER THAN EVER, much better than Pre CU , the NGE sucXXEd alot when come to live, I lost all my years work to be jedi in 1 day , but I must say nowdays the game is the best game I´ve ever played online.
Pple say that is a copy of WoW , Im sorry , after 4 months playing WoW , SWG is 5 times more complex, fun and Rol-basesd . Many of the best WoW improvements are just things that were at SWG Pre-Cu ...Well is true that best SWG improvements were at PRe-CU too ..
Well please , dont talk about things you dont know, ask the real players about the game , we are many , more every day , is true the game passed really bad times, but the Devs are doing a great work .
Make me wonder about the ethics of a company that continually adds things post-NGE that should have been implemented in the first place, and still charge people the full sub fee.
Uh... what?
I really don't think any of you bashers actually believe the retarded BS you guys spout. It's just become so popular to bash SOE you're all just jumping on the bandwagon.
You think the SWG devs just wake up every morning and go, "Hmm, how can we screw over the players today?" You think they are just plain evil and are doing things to make you angry? Take off your tin-foil hat and go outside.
SWG has made huge mistakes, no one can dispute that. But the bitterness is just asinine at this point.
I'm sorry you don't understand what I'm saying so I'll try to be a little more clear.
Was the NGE in any kind of condition to have been released Nov. 15th '05? Should you have been paying the same fee then that you are now? It was obviously not completed then, so why should anyone have been expected to pay the full cost of the monthly sub? Wouldn't it have been a reasonable expectation to have had a discounted price until the NGE was in a reasonable state?
I'm not going to go around and around with you on this as I don't want to be dragged down into the SWG hater dregs. I probably should have kept my mouth shut.
MMO companies very rarely give credit for a patch or update that has bugs. Some have, most don't. It isn't unreasonable to get some credit to your account IF the game is made unplayable.
What is unreasonable is to simply assume that developers are just demons incarnate that want to give you the full fist up to the elbow just for giggles. It is unreasonable to accuse people you don't know of simply being evil or unethical when simpler or more reasonable explinations exist.
The developers changed SWG either because they were told to by Lucas, or did so because they genuinely thought the players would like it. They obviously did not. They took a gamble and lost. That doesn't mean any malice was intended.
The only malicious thing I can think of in SWG was when protesters were teleported into space. That was way out of line and in bad taste, IMO. But I shut up about it, oh, about six months after it happened.
You shouldn't keep harping on these matters. It's boring. It's annoying. It's just plain pathetic.
Make me wonder about the ethics of a company that continually adds things post-NGE that should have been implemented in the first place, and still charge people the full sub fee.
Uh... what?
I really don't think any of you bashers actually believe the retarded BS you guys spout. It's just become so popular to bash SOE you're all just jumping on the bandwagon.
You think the SWG devs just wake up every morning and go, "Hmm, how can we screw over the players today?" You think they are just plain evil and are doing things to make you angry? Take off your tin-foil hat and go outside.
SWG has made huge mistakes, no one can dispute that. But the bitterness is just asinine at this point.
I'm sorry you don't understand what I'm saying so I'll try to be a little more clear.
Was the NGE in any kind of condition to have been released Nov. 15th '05? Should you have been paying the same fee then that you are now? It was obviously not completed then, so why should anyone have been expected to pay the full cost of the monthly sub? Wouldn't it have been a reasonable expectation to have had a discounted price until the NGE was in a reasonable state?
Your reasoning is sound, however,
When you have two companies waring over what direction the game should go, do you think lowering subscription fees is on thier minds? The SWG live developers of the time were working on fixing the CU right up until the NGE was sprung on them. Only a week before the NGE they made thier first fix to Squad Leader. If the NGE was known by the active dev team do you think they would have waisted all thier work on a profession that was removed (for the most part) from the game? The NGE was a surprise not just to the players.
John Smedley had a CH he liked to talk about (a little) in SWG. After the NGE, his attitude about game play changed. He became a spin man and fire chancer. For the last two years he has distance himself from SWG other than the few times he has stated the acceptance of mistakes about the NGE. SOE, publicly, takes the full blame of the NGE but you know as well as I do the market researchers and marketeers of Lucas Arts are to blame. Why won't John apologize for the NGE? Because, if he could talk about it (NDA in effect), his pride would explain it was not his fault.
I am by no means saying SOE is innocent but that the whole SWG situation is a big cluster F*** with these two companies having only one decided goal of building a cash cow.
Farmer John says "I think Jersey cows produce more milk"
"NO, Herford is truer to our IP and matches more closely to the Black Baldies of Blizzard Farms. So sell our current Jersey cows".
"Thats nuts! What about the current calf crop?"
"Sell them too. We need Herford."
"Farmer George, Blizzard Farms has Holstien milk cows, not Black Baldies."
"Sorry, our packaging is set with marketing so just milk what you can with the Herfords. Aahhh, they do produce a lot of milk?"
I'm not going to go around and around with you on this as I don't want to be dragged down into the SWG hater dregs. I probably should have kept my mouth shut. MMO companies very rarely give credit for a patch or update that has bugs. Some have, most don't. It isn't unreasonable to get some credit to your account IF the game is made unplayable. What is unreasonable is to simply assume that developers are just demons incarnate that want to give you the full fist up to the elbow just for giggles. It is unreasonable to accuse people you don't know of simply being evil or unethical when simpler or more reasonable explinations exist. The developers changed SWG either because they were told to by Lucas, or did so because they genuinely thought the players would like it. They obviously did not. They took a gamble and lost. That doesn't mean any malice was intended. The only malicious thing I can think of in SWG was when protesters were teleported into space. That was way out of line and in bad taste, IMO. But I shut up about it, oh, about six months after it happened. You shouldn't keep harping on these matters. It's boring. It's annoying. It's just plain pathetic.
It's unfortunate that you see it this way, I'm by no means "demonizing" the devs or accused them of being evil or intentionally malicious.
I simply believe it would have helped their cause by treating people with more respect then having them pay full price fees for a game that was incomplete. In their own words they described the changes to SWG as replacing the engine in a 747 in mid-flight (or somthing to that effect).
I feel that as consumers we should demand better, not accept maltreatment. It's to bad that you see that as harping on some kind of pathetic cause.
Pretty odd to add group quests when it is neigh impossible to even find people to group with. I love that comment above about Starsider, I play on that server and I am lucky to see 5 people in a couple hours! It is the most dead server out there.
roflmao
This is so untrue it's pathetic.
Mos Eisley alone has so many players gathered it's hard to see through the crowd.
I'm not going to go around and around with you on this as I don't want to be dragged down into the SWG hater dregs. I probably should have kept my mouth shut. MMO companies very rarely give credit for a patch or update that has bugs. Some have, most don't. It isn't unreasonable to get some credit to your account IF the game is made unplayable. What is unreasonable is to simply assume that developers are just demons incarnate that want to give you the full fist up to the elbow just for giggles. It is unreasonable to accuse people you don't know of simply being evil or unethical when simpler or more reasonable explinations exist. The developers changed SWG either because they were told to by Lucas, or did so because they genuinely thought the players would like it. They obviously did not. They took a gamble and lost. That doesn't mean any malice was intended. The only malicious thing I can think of in SWG was when protesters were teleported into space. That was way out of line and in bad taste, IMO. But I shut up about it, oh, about six months after it happened. You shouldn't keep harping on these matters. It's boring. It's annoying. It's just plain pathetic.
It's unfortunate that you see it this way, I'm by no means "demonizing" the devs or accused them of being evil or intentionally malicious.
I simply believe it would have helped their cause by treating people with more respect then having them pay full price fees for a game that was incomplete. In their own words they described the changes to SWG as replacing the engine in a 747 in mid-flight (or somthing to that effect).
I feel that as consumers we should demand better, not accept maltreatment. It's to bad that you see that as harping on some kind of pathetic cause.
When you were questioning ethics, it seemed to me that you were implying that SOE was being intentionally malicious rather than just making bone-headed mistakes. If not, I apologize.
I'm all for speaking out for what you want, but I think it has to be tempered with reason and civility. I'm not saying you weren't being civi or reasonable, but a lot of SWG haters are just... well... douchebags. There's no pretty way to say it. Whining and crying and whining and crying.
I think SOE has heard the complaints. It's time to just let it go.
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I know what you mean, Ive seen some posts talking about lots of players yet the most Ive seen on is about 5. I think the station pass is all that keeps this game going.
I really don't think any of you bashers actually believe the retarded BS you guys spout. It's just become so popular to bash SOE you're all just jumping on the bandwagon.
You think the SWG devs just wake up every morning and go, "Hmm, how can we screw over the players today?" You think they are just plain evil and are doing things to make you angry? Take off your tin-foil hat and go outside.
SWG has made huge mistakes, no one can dispute that. But the bitterness is just asinine at this point.
Is amazing how pple that ever played SWG say things about gameplay, population or else...
I´ve been playing since day 3 , been banned from the forums when NGE hits and quit the game for 6 months when NGE , and ÇI must say the GAME IS BETTER THAN EVER, much better than Pre CU , the NGE sucXXEd alot when come to live, I lost all my years work to be jedi in 1 day , but I must say nowdays the game is the best game I´ve ever played online.
Pple say that is a copy of WoW , Im sorry , after 4 months playing WoW , SWG is 5 times more complex, fun and Rol-basesd . Many of the best WoW improvements are just things that were at SWG Pre-Cu ...Well is true that best SWG improvements were at PRe-CU too ..
Well please , dont talk about things you dont know, ask the real players about the game , we are many , more every day , is true the game passed really bad times, but the Devs are doing a great work .
Uh... what?I really don't think any of you bashers actually believe the retarded BS you guys spout. It's just become so popular to bash SOE you're all just jumping on the bandwagon.
You think the SWG devs just wake up every morning and go, "Hmm, how can we screw over the players today?" You think they are just plain evil and are doing things to make you angry? Take off your tin-foil hat and go outside.
SWG has made huge mistakes, no one can dispute that. But the bitterness is just asinine at this point.
I'm sorry you don't understand what I'm saying so I'll try to be a little more clear.
Was the NGE in any kind of condition to have been released Nov. 15th '05? Should you have been paying the same fee then that you are now? It was obviously not completed then, so why should anyone have been expected to pay the full cost of the monthly sub? Wouldn't it have been a reasonable expectation to have had a discounted price until the NGE was in a reasonable state?
I'm not going to go around and around with you on this as I don't want to be dragged down into the SWG hater dregs. I probably should have kept my mouth shut.
MMO companies very rarely give credit for a patch or update that has bugs. Some have, most don't. It isn't unreasonable to get some credit to your account IF the game is made unplayable.
What is unreasonable is to simply assume that developers are just demons incarnate that want to give you the full fist up to the elbow just for giggles. It is unreasonable to accuse people you don't know of simply being evil or unethical when simpler or more reasonable explinations exist.
The developers changed SWG either because they were told to by Lucas, or did so because they genuinely thought the players would like it. They obviously did not. They took a gamble and lost. That doesn't mean any malice was intended.
The only malicious thing I can think of in SWG was when protesters were teleported into space. That was way out of line and in bad taste, IMO. But I shut up about it, oh, about six months after it happened.
You shouldn't keep harping on these matters. It's boring. It's annoying. It's just plain pathetic.
Uh... what?I really don't think any of you bashers actually believe the retarded BS you guys spout. It's just become so popular to bash SOE you're all just jumping on the bandwagon.
You think the SWG devs just wake up every morning and go, "Hmm, how can we screw over the players today?" You think they are just plain evil and are doing things to make you angry? Take off your tin-foil hat and go outside.
SWG has made huge mistakes, no one can dispute that. But the bitterness is just asinine at this point.
I'm sorry you don't understand what I'm saying so I'll try to be a little more clear.
Was the NGE in any kind of condition to have been released Nov. 15th '05? Should you have been paying the same fee then that you are now? It was obviously not completed then, so why should anyone have been expected to pay the full cost of the monthly sub? Wouldn't it have been a reasonable expectation to have had a discounted price until the NGE was in a reasonable state?
Your reasoning is sound, however,
When you have two companies waring over what direction the game should go, do you think lowering subscription fees is on thier minds? The SWG live developers of the time were working on fixing the CU right up until the NGE was sprung on them. Only a week before the NGE they made thier first fix to Squad Leader. If the NGE was known by the active dev team do you think they would have waisted all thier work on a profession that was removed (for the most part) from the game? The NGE was a surprise not just to the players.
John Smedley had a CH he liked to talk about (a little) in SWG. After the NGE, his attitude about game play changed. He became a spin man and fire chancer. For the last two years he has distance himself from SWG other than the few times he has stated the acceptance of mistakes about the NGE. SOE, publicly, takes the full blame of the NGE but you know as well as I do the market researchers and marketeers of Lucas Arts are to blame. Why won't John apologize for the NGE? Because, if he could talk about it (NDA in effect), his pride would explain it was not his fault.
I am by no means saying SOE is innocent but that the whole SWG situation is a big cluster F*** with these two companies having only one decided goal of building a cash cow.
Farmer John says "I think Jersey cows produce more milk"
"NO, Herford is truer to our IP and matches more closely to the Black Baldies of Blizzard Farms. So sell our current Jersey cows".
"Thats nuts! What about the current calf crop?"
"Sell them too. We need Herford."
"Farmer George, Blizzard Farms has Holstien milk cows, not Black Baldies."
"Sorry, our packaging is set with marketing so just milk what you can with the Herfords. Aahhh, they do produce a lot of milk?"
I simply believe it would have helped their cause by treating people with more respect then having them pay full price fees for a game that was incomplete. In their own words they described the changes to SWG as replacing the engine in a 747 in mid-flight (or somthing to that effect).
I feel that as consumers we should demand better, not accept maltreatment. It's to bad that you see that as harping on some kind of pathetic cause.
roflmao
This is so untrue it's pathetic.
Mos Eisley alone has so many players gathered it's hard to see through the crowd.
I simply believe it would have helped their cause by treating people with more respect then having them pay full price fees for a game that was incomplete. In their own words they described the changes to SWG as replacing the engine in a 747 in mid-flight (or somthing to that effect).
I feel that as consumers we should demand better, not accept maltreatment. It's to bad that you see that as harping on some kind of pathetic cause.
When you were questioning ethics, it seemed to me that you were implying that SOE was being intentionally malicious rather than just making bone-headed mistakes. If not, I apologize.
I'm all for speaking out for what you want, but I think it has to be tempered with reason and civility. I'm not saying you weren't being civi or reasonable, but a lot of SWG haters are just... well... douchebags. There's no pretty way to say it. Whining and crying and whining and crying.
I think SOE has heard the complaints. It's time to just let it go.